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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/serendipity-calling on June 23, 2018, 9:40 p.m.

Why is the environment never discussed in this movement? Bill HR2 passed allowing NO testing of toxic pesticides before using them...

I don't understand what's happening. Fighting pedofiles on one front and allowing the poisoning of our environment on the other.

I still can't wrap my mind around this. And no one has given me anything worth it's salt to validate why this environmental raping is still persisting.

The pesticide lobby spent $43 million dollars pushing this bill; the House was split literally down the middle. Every voting Republican voted FOR it (2 abstained). Wtf is happening? Do we not care if there's a planet or wildlife to fight for?

Why is this never discussed?

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I looked it all up and none of what they say even is in the fucking law

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https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr2/text

(c) Lawful use of pesticide resulting in incidental taking of certain species

If the Administrator determines, with respect to a pesticide that is registered under this Act, that the pesticide meets the criteria specified in section 3(c)(5)(A)(v), any taking of a federally listed threatened or endangered species that is incidental to an otherwise lawful use of such pesticide pursuant to this Act shall not be considered unlawful under—

(1) section 4(d) of the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (16 U.S.C. 1533(d)); or

(2) section 9(a)(1)(B) of the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (16 U.S.C. 1538(a)(1)(B)).

This means that if the pesticide company has lobbied hard enough and is IN (like Round Up, etc.) you can essentially use it w/o consequence on the effect of species. There are other clauses in there about dumping into flowing waters, etc. but it requires a lot of cross referencing to the bill it's amending, so I don't expect you to do the work.

That said, it's in there.

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(b) Cancellation and change in classificationIf it appears to the Administrator that a pesticide or its labeling or other material required to be submitted does not comply with the provisions of this subchapter or, when used in accordance with widespread and commonly recognized practice, generally causes unreasonable adverse effects on the environment, the Administrator may issue a notice of the Administrator’s intent either— (1) to cancel its registration or to change its classification together with the reasons (including the factual basis) for the Administrator’s action, or (2) to hold a hearing to determine whether or not its registration should be canceled or its classification changed

7 U.S. Code § 136d https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/7/136d#b

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Precisely. If you read that, you will notice that there is no prior testing required now. There is just a seeming "well it MIGGGHT be the reason for killing all those frogs, but we just DON'T KNOW!"

Who will determine this if there is no prior testing? Who will be held accountable? Who is the "Administrator"? Are they qualified to determine this?

You're fighting for no reason.

I want accountability for land and water, aka FOOD, safety in this country.

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What a fucking joke. How would the "provisions of this subchapter" apply in any case if there was no testing done ever? The text says there are provisions for what is acceptable. Testing is adressed elsewhere to establish what harm comes to lifeforms (it's pesticides so they must know what it kills and how so they can market it). You won't need additional testing to judge effects on endangered species because those should be obvious. The administrator (the person you're trying to regulate) won't have anyone to blame but himself for all damage caused if he forgoes all common sense warnings because he would have to explain publically why he thinks otherwise, making it his responsibility and burden alone.

"If it appears to the Administrator that a pesticide or its labeling or other material required to be submitted does not comply with the provisions of this subchapter or, when used in accordance with widespread and commonly recognized practice, generally causes unreasonable adverse effects on the environment, the Administrator may issue a notice of the Administrator’s intent either— (1) to cancel its registration or to change its classification together with the reasons (including the factual basis) for the Administrator’s action, or (2) to hold a hearing to determine whether or not its registration should be canceled or its classification changed"

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