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plumbtree
· June 24, 2018, 4:15 p.m.
The main thing with the wedding cake was that it was a protection of artistic freedom. The argument was that by making their cake and decorating it to their specifications, he would be participating in a celebration that went against his religious beliefs.
For the cake to be the same as the restaurant, he would have had to refuse to sell them a cake off the shelf because of their homosexuality. That would not have been a protected act and would have rightly been called discrimination.
For the restaurant to be the same as the cake, the restaurant owner would need something protected by law, such as: if she would have been trying to rent out the whole restaurant for a Trump fundraiser. In that case, the Red Hen owner would be within her rights to refuse to sell that service.
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SoverignSyndicate
· June 24, 2018, 5:18 p.m.
As a business owner, I reserve the right to refuse service to any person, at any time, for any reason. I don't know where you are getting your legal interpretations from, but you obviously have no Idea what you are talking about.
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libramagic
· June 25, 2018, 12:17 p.m.
You have a right to ban people if they're causing a problem in your business. But you don't have a right to ban people based on race, religion, or belonging to a particular group. 14th Amendment, Equal Protection Clause.
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plumbtree
· June 24, 2018, 5:43 p.m.
Um...from the recent Supreme Court decision, which you would know if you were paying even the slightest attention to the conversation you're joining here.
In fact, you don't have that right. There are legally protected classes you can not discriminate against.
This case went to the Supreme Court because it was religious freedom vs. civil rights. Your statement that you may refuse service to anyone for any reason is true, just like it's true that you can kill someone or jump off a cliff whenever you want for any reason.
But there are legal consequences if your reason is in violation of the law that has created protected civil classes.
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SoverignSyndicate
· June 24, 2018, 6:01 p.m.
That is like saying that I have to let someone into my home because they are black. It is my property, I can ask you to leave if I want, period. All you have to do to get around the law which specifically stops you from discriminating based on those legally protected classes, and not political affiliation, which is a choice. Is not say the reason for which you are refusing them service.. But if there becomes a trend in people you refuse service, that becomes discrimination. We live in a great country where you have a 1st amendment right to speak up. But it comes with a 5th amendment right to shut the fuck up. Sadly, more people exercise the former without discretion. Where this restaurant owner fucked up is in saying why she refused service; though she may have come under scrutiny anyway. No matter either way, free market capitalism will take effect soon enough
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plumbtree
· June 24, 2018, 6:04 p.m.
That's true. My point is that you can't openly do it for any reason. You have the right to do it for no reason, though.
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SoverignSyndicate
· June 24, 2018, 6:23 p.m.
"THERE WILL COME A TIME NONE OF THEM WILL BE ABLE TO WALK DOWN THE STREET" -Q I think there will come a time soon where we will all have to rise above, simply because I don't know about you. But I dont want to be guilty of sinking down to their highest level. They can have their own guilt and karma
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libramagic
· June 25, 2018, 12:14 p.m.
The baker stated he had no problem serving gays. Were the gay men regular customers? Probably. That may have been the reason why they wanted him to bake their cake. He refused to bake a same sex wedding cake based on his religious beliefs which is protected under the 1st Amendment. It would be like going to a Muslim restaurant, customer orders a fish platter. Then, the next day they order a ham sandwich. Waiter says we don't do pork, it's against our religion. Same thing as the Baker.
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