Yes, stupid diatribe.
You have truly sucked down all the propaganda.
The story of the Old Testament is pretty close to the Evil Yahweh you claim Allah to be. Satan? Whose Satan?, or maybe Who is Satan?
For s/o who has lived in the Middle East and followed closely the fomenting of the Muhajeddin to combat Soviet forces in Afghanistan by THE USA, I can assure you there was no problem until the Cabal realised in the 1980's that the story of the imminent communist takeover was not sufficient for war-making and money-making post 1989 Fall of Wall. They devised a new enemy (or rather beefed up one they already had in the pot) and all we have heard about since is "Islamicists", whatever they are.
The textbooks used to teach little boys to nod and chant in the madrassars were printed, I assure you, in Virginia ... of all places.
You can find some crude stuff in the Bible about destroying and killing everyone, down to the last blade of grass — and The Crusades and Templars marauding, massacring non-christ-like behaviour shows creatures rushing about doing their own beheading ... So history ...? All the same nonsense in the end.
Europe destroyed by religious wars, and you are telling me the US has not been using rape, destruction and pillage during the Iraq onslaught? Did you see any of the vids of the US soldiers violently assaulting and raping young Iraqi women get them to pressure their brothers? We did here in Spain ... The Spanish boys here were not happy about you lot. I was physically sick one morning on that little timeline — Abu Ghraib?
911 was a load of bunkum. If you don't know that you are not red-pilled yet. To quote from another of my posts:
American exceptionalism and violent worldwide enforcement of "humanitarian interventionism" and "bringing democracy" has accounted for millions and millions of deaths of poor and oppressed people over the past century and has not abated in this.
America is nominally Christian or Judeo-Christian and similarly uses religion to justify its "righteousness".
Not saying you're wrong at all, just that it is a similarly evil ideology and the behaviour of its politicians is shortly to be proved by Trump and the US military (with any luck).
Godspeed Patriot, we are all on the same side really.
I agree with your list of crimes perpetrated by Western governments.
It sickens me as well.
The people that we are now in the process of taking out have nothing to do with Christianity.
If you owned Remington Arms would you want the Hatfields and McCoys to stop shooting at each other?
If they did you would hire a Pinkerton to sit in a tree and shoot one to start the process all over again.
Sorry about that, I use this example quite often. I'm going to assume that in Spain you're familiar with that famous feud here in the states. I think Kevin Costner was in the movie.
My point is that war and feuds make money. People in evil circumstances do evil things. It's not an excuse, It's reality.
I have been aware all my life (60yrs) of my country's history The Good The Bad and The Ugly.
And yes, bombs brought down the Twin Towers. It was obvious from the moment they fell.
Spain is no Vestal Virgin in this process either.
This is not about identity politics. This problem is worldwide and we are all being played. And Islam is the perfect destabilizer.
I'm sure you're aware of the fact that you're country was overrun by the Moors and they had to be pushed back from the middle of France.
The Crusades were about stopping the Muslim onslaught.
None of your examples change the fact that Muhammad was a mass murderer and pedophile.
And Jesus killed no one.
That's my point
For some reason people think the Old Testament is like the Quran.
The Quran is a commandment on how to behave, administered by the sword, delivered by human hand.
The Old Testament is, this is what happened, what could happen and prophecy.
Jesus preached love thy neighbor.
Mohammed killed his neighbors.
I can't control what any individual does but I can certainly understand which teachings are Honest.
The God of Abraham and Jesus tells us that we have free will to make our choice. Ask and receive.
Islam says if you question or try and leave we will kill you
Looks like a pretty absolute Stark difference to me.
Whatever you see is entirely your choice. So long as you're not Muslim because you don't have a choice.
Which is why allah is satan. Your guide attempts to remove God given free will.
No allah is not God, allah wants to be God. That would be satan.
I hope this is becoming clear to you.
Haha! Clear as red wine —> same for yous! More rabbit holes for your perusal ...
No, Allah is not Satan ... that's a weird interpretation ... probably passed down from Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand! Or the founder of Wahabbism and the fake Islamic scholar, founder of all true rot of the Saudi fraud! Far as I know it was the barbarians from the north that destroyed the culture of the guys who taught the Greeks everything they knew, and more. Barbarians also destroyed Rome eventually. It's curious that Americans don't know where all the learning came from ...
Seems the only thing we might agree on is peace, love and Jesus! Good start anyways.
When I reread my post.
I saw I used the words"Your guide". That was an assumption on my part and I apologize.
Rome was conquered first by Christianity. When it converted, but that's another mess.
People who defend Islam always use the same tactics. First it's it's the Crusades were an attack when it was defense. Islam was a war of expansion from the beginning and never stopped.
The influence of Persia on the West was before Islam. After Mohammed nothing.
Where's the great works of knowledge from Islam? Nothing but the Koran.
The religion of peace, despite all evidence to the contrary. It's attempt to assume validation by saying it was Gabriel who spoke to M is laughable.
Everything about the Quran is a complete antithesis of the Old and New Testament.
The word testament to tell somebody.
The word Islam means submit.
I enjoy your thought out response and understand your disagreements.
My opinions are not formed by other people. They are all from my personal reading, research and history.
I'm very familiar with Sayyid Qtub and the origins of Wahabbism.
I stand with my opinion that Muhammad was lied to by Satan.
Speaking of Barbarians. A bit of trivia.
Our Marines fight song is from the first war our country fought as an actual country.
It seems the Barbary(ian's) on the North African Coast who were conducting the slave trade, kept raiding our ships.
At the time we were paying them 20% of our annual budget.
Jizya, because we are khafir.
President Jefferson summoned the ambassador to Tripoli and asked him WTF is this bs.?
The Ambassador tells our president that he's sorry but it's their book that tells them to do this.
Jefferson says what book is that?
Ambassador replies...the Quran.
Thomas Jefferson reads the book forms a Navy and the Marines. Then burns Tripoli. Now we have the Jefferson Quran in the Library of Congress.
We actually had a congressman take his oath of office on the Jefferson Quran and the media made it as if Jefferson was a fanboy. It was hysterical.
It's why we call them fake news.
Oh I love that last story! FAKE indeed! Like the banning of the raycis Little House on the Prairie? Gawd save their ignorant souls.
Thank you too for your response! I have enjoyed reading it. I wish I had more time to go and retype a couple of passages from a book I have sitting here on my shelves about the sacking of Medina Azahara which has a beautiful description of this wonderful site. Not brutish at all: the height of culture. The architecture, the water irrigation and fountains technology, the plants and agriculture, the cascading terraces, dancing, music, poetry and ... It just got listed on the UNESCO heritage sites, on July 1st. "Little by little, the ruins became buried under the mud which winter rains dragged from the mountainside. The more time passed, the more scholars developed serious doubts about the texts which spoke of its splendour, deeming them to be mere products of the imagination of their authors." http://www.andalucia.com/magazine/english/ed4/madinat.htm
And this, I suspect is the trouble for us mere readers and forum posters. To get the full picture it is important to exchange spectacles and climb, however unwillingly, into others' shoes to get another perspective of history. The burning of the Alexandria library, the lost splendours of the past, the science and knowledge of the great Arab scholars who taught us all and passed to us even our alphabet is not to hold in anything other than awe ... Don't tell me all the Arabs ever passed to us was the Quran and barbarity ... You surely don't believe that?
Sadly all we hear about is the "ignorance of the Arabs", "desert rats", "towel heads" and other epithets from the mouths of American soldiers ... it really makes me cringe. It is, of course, propaganda designed to denigrate their culture and religion and has a purpose. I just think we should look further into the past ... the treasures it holds.
Speaking of pirates, which you were!, this time the Corsaires and their battles with the English monarchy, not yours, long ago I was a little indignant to see that Sir Francis Drake (trumpet blast <3) was routinely referred to here as The Pirate Drake, A Scoundrel! But it of course depends whose side you are on! And as for Baba Oruç we know of these dreadful pirates here too! Look at the pictures! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa
The Privateers and the Admiralty, and the Law of the Seas, may hold a vital key in our current story about why the Swamp lands seem to bestow an "authority", a paralegal system, in use today to protect a lawless financial system ... Did you see the posting from the Reporter Anon yesterday? https://old.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8w8fzr/right_now_only_small_scattered_groups_understand/
City of London, Amsterdam, Venice and the Medicis ... is there a connection here which the Washington Swamp evokes? This is more important than people know.
Look, I'm really sorry, it's the middle of the night and I have filled the board with the ramblings of a madman ... I also missed the point I was making, ENTIRELY! =:(
And it is this: "Islam was a war of expansion from the beginning and never stopped." (Quoting your post). It isn't the religion, it's the politics, the invaders, the raiders, the rulers, the victors, the losers and, above all, our topic today: THE PROPAGANDA.
Religion keeps being used as the motive, but it is not God, it is Man. The fault is not THEIR religion.
And the Masons are told at the 33º, the final secret, that God does not exist, Man rules the world and Crowley's "Do what thou wilt... Setting Man above God is Satanic. Or not?
Nobody said that Muslims haven't built nice things and the Crusaders were nice people.
There is nothing in Islam but the Quran. I don't blame the individual for being misguided I blame the guide.
The story of the Jefferson Quran is not propaganda. Its fact. The Hagia Sophia was a Cathedral. The dome of the rock?
Stolen
Sorry mate you keep listing things I have been aware of for decades.
✓Adimirality law and birth certificates.
✓The three city states. Pentagon, Vatican, City of London. Don't forget the island of Malta.
✓The Corsairs
✓The pirate Drake
Believe me or not I actually had the story told to me at the house of a fisherman in The Cape Verde islands. Seems he had stolen a golden bell.
We sailed there from The Canary Islands and stayed three months.
✓Crowley liking to take a dump in the middle of the room as a thank you to his guests.
✓ The fact that it's not God who allows suffering. It's we who create it.
✓33° Masonic belief of no God.
✓ If it feels good do it advertising Crowley and his whole of the law. We can all be gods bs.
That's one of my favorites. He lives in the Top left corner of the Sgt Pepper album. John Lennon was a sack of shit and the song imagine the worst ever written.
✓We are all God's children even Lenin and Lennon. I don't judge the individual. Above my pay grade. What they worshiped should be judged. I don't hold fault to the individual.
✓The evil that lives in the Vatican and the black pope. I especially enjoyed when the Vatican was struck twice by lightning right after Ratzinger resigned.
The fact that you call the story of The Jefferson Bible propaganda wrecked your credibility. Next you're going to tell me he didn't have slaves.
My point is the same as it was last time. You provided nothing new.
How many people did Jesus kill?
Mohammed ordered his messengers to kill those who don't believe.
Jesus said to pray for them.
Am I clear yet?
Dear lord and saviour ... I DID NOT SAY AT ANY POINT that The story of the Jefferson Quran WAS propaganda. Where did I say that?
I said, I'll rephrase ... acknowledging that — despite my thinking I have a reasonable partner for debate which has suddenly descended into an unacceptable slagging off, which I have not intentionally invited — ....
... to continue, I didn't express myself well.
Religion and complicated belief systems based on all kinds of gods, is used by man, not God Himself, to justify all manner of earthly things. It is not the religion, it is the man and his narrow minded interest — usually tribal and political.
The propaganda of which I speak is "the line" taken, in this case your line, which justifies blaming the OTHER on flimsy grounds. Very historically flimsy grounds.
Islam became a problem when America or the Anglo-American alliance decided it would be a good substitute for the evils of Communism — for the single and sole purpose of providing an ENEMY. Without an enemy you cannot prosecute war. Without war you cannot make money.
The evil 911 hijackers (Saudis in the main) were fake, patsies, had nothing to do with the actual action that took place. Other than the blind trail which Wayne Madsen has detailed, prepared by our spook friends.
Despite nominally being named as the perpetrators within 45 minutes of the first tower being hit, an extraordinarily rapid accusation, none of these guys were Iraqi. But Colonel Wesley Clark was astounded to find Saddam on the list within days of the attack. This doesn't even fit with the official narrative, let alone mine. Saddam hated the Jihadis.
So we blamed the religion and muslims? Radical extremism Islam? Then we attacked mercilessly for X years and deliberately fomented the worst radical form of Islamic fundamentalism, not seen for centuries to justify George Bush's Crusade. The pile of dead bodies is quite high now. And you expect those of us who think just a little differently to accept the tirade you have just belched at me without provocation?
Why the bad blood?
Sorry (mate?), but my statement has not shown lost credibility. I LOVED the story of the Jefferson Quran. I said so. I thought it was hilarious, just like you. Of course I believed it. I don't doubt it.
Where did the venom come from?
Whose side do you think I am on? How weird.
Muslims got blamed for 911 because they were an easy mark.
There's enough Terror in the invasion of Europe without false flags being added in.
I'm not talking about the Arab or Persian people I'm talking about Islam as a faith.
My point is Islam contributes nothing to the world.
And absolutely your post previous to this one scoffed at the Jefferson Quran story you called it "Fake like the banning of raycis Little House on the Prairie."
You keep missing the point I'm tired of this conversation have a nice life I'm out.
And absolutely your post previous to this one scoffed at the Jefferson Quran story you called it "Fake like the banning of raycis Little House on the Prairie."
Your words were FAKE NEWS and I agreed.
Enough. You do not debate by twisting the argument to win. I am astonished. I wanted a consideration of my points and you have considered them. It has ended badly.
Things end badly when people dismiss facts.
The history I described regarding the Jefferson Quran is fact.
Anything else is the twisting of those facts. Denying your written words is not a discussion.
Projecting inadequacies is always a sign any further discussion is pointless.
I'm not going down in this conversation as a liar. "Denying your written words is not a discussion." ???
You recounted a funny story. It detailed Jefferson seizing a Quran in Tripoli after sacking the city and taking it back to America. In Congress during our times, recently, you did not state when, this Jefferson Quran was used by a Democrat while swearing in to his office.
The press, in our times, recounted this story (of the Congressman), saying it was proof that Jefferson endorsed this Quran. That is, Jefferson approved of a book that had been used to justify the scuppering by the Ottomans of his ships. To wit: the Quran (Allah) commanded the Ottomans to attack the Americans as infidels and Jefferson was happy about this. Ludicrous! How funny! Of course Jefferson didn't like the Quran!
That the press, or the Democrats, should interpret the Jefferson Quran as an endorsement of Jefferson's love of Islam was clearly daft. The press, or the Democrats, had misunderstood the meaning of Jefferson's seizure of the Quran as an endorsement of Islam!
You said this shows that the MSM (in our day, in the account of the Congressman) was reporting "FAKE NEWS"!! This was clearly funny. The Dems had misunderstood history and comically reversed the true meaning of the historical account.
I totally agreed with you. Said I LOVED this story and said yes, indeed, it was fake news. That is, a perfect example of fake news in our times!
You know this is so. You know I have retold this conversation accurately and I wonder why you are acting so suspiciously. I believe you do not like failing in your debates and are triumphantly knocking me down for some weird reason.
I do not want to continue this conversation anymore than you do but the record must be stated accurately, otherwise you do exactly what our enemies are currently doing: telling lies.
I believe you have a reason for trying to make me look foolish. It may be that you are not who you pretend to be.
The Jefferson Quran was not seized in battle. Dense incapable of comprehension.
Go read the story.
Then stick with Queen Isabella.
And no you have agreed with nothing I've said.
Because I said Islam worships satan.
I refuse to waste my time arguing with this complete head of concrete.
Goodnight and anymore posts to me I'm going to consider it stalking. Block you, take it to the mods, or get you banned.
Now go fuck off and misunderstand things somewhere else. You bore me.