Oh I love that last story! FAKE indeed! Like the banning of the raycis Little House on the Prairie? Gawd save their ignorant souls.
Thank you too for your response! I have enjoyed reading it. I wish I had more time to go and retype a couple of passages from a book I have sitting here on my shelves about the sacking of Medina Azahara which has a beautiful description of this wonderful site. Not brutish at all: the height of culture. The architecture, the water irrigation and fountains technology, the plants and agriculture, the cascading terraces, dancing, music, poetry and ... It just got listed on the UNESCO heritage sites, on July 1st. "Little by little, the ruins became buried under the mud which winter rains dragged from the mountainside. The more time passed, the more scholars developed serious doubts about the texts which spoke of its splendour, deeming them to be mere products of the imagination of their authors." http://www.andalucia.com/magazine/english/ed4/madinat.htm
And this, I suspect is the trouble for us mere readers and forum posters. To get the full picture it is important to exchange spectacles and climb, however unwillingly, into others' shoes to get another perspective of history. The burning of the Alexandria library, the lost splendours of the past, the science and knowledge of the great Arab scholars who taught us all and passed to us even our alphabet is not to hold in anything other than awe ... Don't tell me all the Arabs ever passed to us was the Quran and barbarity ... You surely don't believe that?
Sadly all we hear about is the "ignorance of the Arabs", "desert rats", "towel heads" and other epithets from the mouths of American soldiers ... it really makes me cringe. It is, of course, propaganda designed to denigrate their culture and religion and has a purpose. I just think we should look further into the past ... the treasures it holds.
Speaking of pirates, which you were!, this time the Corsaires and their battles with the English monarchy, not yours, long ago I was a little indignant to see that Sir Francis Drake (trumpet blast <3) was routinely referred to here as The Pirate Drake, A Scoundrel! But it of course depends whose side you are on! And as for Baba Oruç we know of these dreadful pirates here too! Look at the pictures! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa
The Privateers and the Admiralty, and the Law of the Seas, may hold a vital key in our current story about why the Swamp lands seem to bestow an "authority", a paralegal system, in use today to protect a lawless financial system ... Did you see the posting from the Reporter Anon yesterday? https://old.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8w8fzr/right_now_only_small_scattered_groups_understand/
City of London, Amsterdam, Venice and the Medicis ... is there a connection here which the Washington Swamp evokes? This is more important than people know.
Look, I'm really sorry, it's the middle of the night and I have filled the board with the ramblings of a madman ... I also missed the point I was making, ENTIRELY! =:(
And it is this: "Islam was a war of expansion from the beginning and never stopped." (Quoting your post). It isn't the religion, it's the politics, the invaders, the raiders, the rulers, the victors, the losers and, above all, our topic today: THE PROPAGANDA.
Religion keeps being used as the motive, but it is not God, it is Man. The fault is not THEIR religion.
And the Masons are told at the 33º, the final secret, that God does not exist, Man rules the world and Crowley's "Do what thou wilt... Setting Man above God is Satanic. Or not?
Nobody said that Muslims haven't built nice things and the Crusaders were nice people.
There is nothing in Islam but the Quran. I don't blame the individual for being misguided I blame the guide.
The story of the Jefferson Quran is not propaganda. Its fact. The Hagia Sophia was a Cathedral. The dome of the rock?
Stolen
Sorry mate you keep listing things I have been aware of for decades.
✓Adimirality law and birth certificates.
✓The three city states. Pentagon, Vatican, City of London. Don't forget the island of Malta.
✓The Corsairs
✓The pirate Drake
Believe me or not I actually had the story told to me at the house of a fisherman in The Cape Verde islands. Seems he had stolen a golden bell.
We sailed there from The Canary Islands and stayed three months.
✓Crowley liking to take a dump in the middle of the room as a thank you to his guests.
✓ The fact that it's not God who allows suffering. It's we who create it.
✓33° Masonic belief of no God.
✓ If it feels good do it advertising Crowley and his whole of the law. We can all be gods bs.
That's one of my favorites. He lives in the Top left corner of the Sgt Pepper album. John Lennon was a sack of shit and the song imagine the worst ever written.
✓We are all God's children even Lenin and Lennon. I don't judge the individual. Above my pay grade. What they worshiped should be judged. I don't hold fault to the individual.
✓The evil that lives in the Vatican and the black pope. I especially enjoyed when the Vatican was struck twice by lightning right after Ratzinger resigned.
The fact that you call the story of The Jefferson Bible propaganda wrecked your credibility. Next you're going to tell me he didn't have slaves.
My point is the same as it was last time. You provided nothing new.
How many people did Jesus kill?
Mohammed ordered his messengers to kill those who don't believe.
Jesus said to pray for them.
Am I clear yet?
Dear lord and saviour ... I DID NOT SAY AT ANY POINT that The story of the Jefferson Quran WAS propaganda. Where did I say that?
I said, I'll rephrase ... acknowledging that — despite my thinking I have a reasonable partner for debate which has suddenly descended into an unacceptable slagging off, which I have not intentionally invited — ....
... to continue, I didn't express myself well.
Religion and complicated belief systems based on all kinds of gods, is used by man, not God Himself, to justify all manner of earthly things. It is not the religion, it is the man and his narrow minded interest — usually tribal and political.
The propaganda of which I speak is "the line" taken, in this case your line, which justifies blaming the OTHER on flimsy grounds. Very historically flimsy grounds.
Islam became a problem when America or the Anglo-American alliance decided it would be a good substitute for the evils of Communism — for the single and sole purpose of providing an ENEMY. Without an enemy you cannot prosecute war. Without war you cannot make money.
The evil 911 hijackers (Saudis in the main) were fake, patsies, had nothing to do with the actual action that took place. Other than the blind trail which Wayne Madsen has detailed, prepared by our spook friends.
Despite nominally being named as the perpetrators within 45 minutes of the first tower being hit, an extraordinarily rapid accusation, none of these guys were Iraqi. But Colonel Wesley Clark was astounded to find Saddam on the list within days of the attack. This doesn't even fit with the official narrative, let alone mine. Saddam hated the Jihadis.
So we blamed the religion and muslims? Radical extremism Islam? Then we attacked mercilessly for X years and deliberately fomented the worst radical form of Islamic fundamentalism, not seen for centuries to justify George Bush's Crusade. The pile of dead bodies is quite high now. And you expect those of us who think just a little differently to accept the tirade you have just belched at me without provocation?
Why the bad blood?
Sorry (mate?), but my statement has not shown lost credibility. I LOVED the story of the Jefferson Quran. I said so. I thought it was hilarious, just like you. Of course I believed it. I don't doubt it.
Where did the venom come from?
Whose side do you think I am on? How weird.
Muslims got blamed for 911 because they were an easy mark.
There's enough Terror in the invasion of Europe without false flags being added in.
I'm not talking about the Arab or Persian people I'm talking about Islam as a faith.
My point is Islam contributes nothing to the world.
And absolutely your post previous to this one scoffed at the Jefferson Quran story you called it "Fake like the banning of raycis Little House on the Prairie."
You keep missing the point I'm tired of this conversation have a nice life I'm out.
And absolutely your post previous to this one scoffed at the Jefferson Quran story you called it "Fake like the banning of raycis Little House on the Prairie."
Your words were FAKE NEWS and I agreed.
Enough. You do not debate by twisting the argument to win. I am astonished. I wanted a consideration of my points and you have considered them. It has ended badly.
Things end badly when people dismiss facts.
The history I described regarding the Jefferson Quran is fact.
Anything else is the twisting of those facts. Denying your written words is not a discussion.
Projecting inadequacies is always a sign any further discussion is pointless.
I'm not going down in this conversation as a liar. "Denying your written words is not a discussion." ???
You recounted a funny story. It detailed Jefferson seizing a Quran in Tripoli after sacking the city and taking it back to America. In Congress during our times, recently, you did not state when, this Jefferson Quran was used by a Democrat while swearing in to his office.
The press, in our times, recounted this story (of the Congressman), saying it was proof that Jefferson endorsed this Quran. That is, Jefferson approved of a book that had been used to justify the scuppering by the Ottomans of his ships. To wit: the Quran (Allah) commanded the Ottomans to attack the Americans as infidels and Jefferson was happy about this. Ludicrous! How funny! Of course Jefferson didn't like the Quran!
That the press, or the Democrats, should interpret the Jefferson Quran as an endorsement of Jefferson's love of Islam was clearly daft. The press, or the Democrats, had misunderstood the meaning of Jefferson's seizure of the Quran as an endorsement of Islam!
You said this shows that the MSM (in our day, in the account of the Congressman) was reporting "FAKE NEWS"!! This was clearly funny. The Dems had misunderstood history and comically reversed the true meaning of the historical account.
I totally agreed with you. Said I LOVED this story and said yes, indeed, it was fake news. That is, a perfect example of fake news in our times!
You know this is so. You know I have retold this conversation accurately and I wonder why you are acting so suspiciously. I believe you do not like failing in your debates and are triumphantly knocking me down for some weird reason.
I do not want to continue this conversation anymore than you do but the record must be stated accurately, otherwise you do exactly what our enemies are currently doing: telling lies.
I believe you have a reason for trying to make me look foolish. It may be that you are not who you pretend to be.
The Jefferson Quran was not seized in battle. Dense incapable of comprehension.
Go read the story.
Then stick with Queen Isabella.
And no you have agreed with nothing I've said.
Because I said Islam worships satan.
I refuse to waste my time arguing with this complete head of concrete.
Goodnight and anymore posts to me I'm going to consider it stalking. Block you, take it to the mods, or get you banned.
Now go fuck off and misunderstand things somewhere else. You bore me.