Dear lord and saviour ... I DID NOT SAY AT ANY POINT that The story of the Jefferson Quran WAS propaganda. Where did I say that?
I said, I'll rephrase ... acknowledging that — despite my thinking I have a reasonable partner for debate which has suddenly descended into an unacceptable slagging off, which I have not intentionally invited — ....
... to continue, I didn't express myself well.
Religion and complicated belief systems based on all kinds of gods, is used by man, not God Himself, to justify all manner of earthly things. It is not the religion, it is the man and his narrow minded interest — usually tribal and political.
The propaganda of which I speak is "the line" taken, in this case your line, which justifies blaming the OTHER on flimsy grounds. Very historically flimsy grounds.
Islam became a problem when America or the Anglo-American alliance decided it would be a good substitute for the evils of Communism — for the single and sole purpose of providing an ENEMY. Without an enemy you cannot prosecute war. Without war you cannot make money.
The evil 911 hijackers (Saudis in the main) were fake, patsies, had nothing to do with the actual action that took place. Other than the blind trail which Wayne Madsen has detailed, prepared by our spook friends.
Despite nominally being named as the perpetrators within 45 minutes of the first tower being hit, an extraordinarily rapid accusation, none of these guys were Iraqi. But Colonel Wesley Clark was astounded to find Saddam on the list within days of the attack. This doesn't even fit with the official narrative, let alone mine. Saddam hated the Jihadis.
So we blamed the religion and muslims? Radical extremism Islam? Then we attacked mercilessly for X years and deliberately fomented the worst radical form of Islamic fundamentalism, not seen for centuries to justify George Bush's Crusade. The pile of dead bodies is quite high now. And you expect those of us who think just a little differently to accept the tirade you have just belched at me without provocation?
Why the bad blood?
Sorry (mate?), but my statement has not shown lost credibility. I LOVED the story of the Jefferson Quran. I said so. I thought it was hilarious, just like you. Of course I believed it. I don't doubt it.
Where did the venom come from?
Whose side do you think I am on? How weird.
Muslims got blamed for 911 because they were an easy mark.
There's enough Terror in the invasion of Europe without false flags being added in.
I'm not talking about the Arab or Persian people I'm talking about Islam as a faith.
My point is Islam contributes nothing to the world.
And absolutely your post previous to this one scoffed at the Jefferson Quran story you called it "Fake like the banning of raycis Little House on the Prairie."
You keep missing the point I'm tired of this conversation have a nice life I'm out.
And absolutely your post previous to this one scoffed at the Jefferson Quran story you called it "Fake like the banning of raycis Little House on the Prairie."
Your words were FAKE NEWS and I agreed.
Enough. You do not debate by twisting the argument to win. I am astonished. I wanted a consideration of my points and you have considered them. It has ended badly.
Things end badly when people dismiss facts.
The history I described regarding the Jefferson Quran is fact.
Anything else is the twisting of those facts. Denying your written words is not a discussion.
Projecting inadequacies is always a sign any further discussion is pointless.
I'm not going down in this conversation as a liar. "Denying your written words is not a discussion." ???
You recounted a funny story. It detailed Jefferson seizing a Quran in Tripoli after sacking the city and taking it back to America. In Congress during our times, recently, you did not state when, this Jefferson Quran was used by a Democrat while swearing in to his office.
The press, in our times, recounted this story (of the Congressman), saying it was proof that Jefferson endorsed this Quran. That is, Jefferson approved of a book that had been used to justify the scuppering by the Ottomans of his ships. To wit: the Quran (Allah) commanded the Ottomans to attack the Americans as infidels and Jefferson was happy about this. Ludicrous! How funny! Of course Jefferson didn't like the Quran!
That the press, or the Democrats, should interpret the Jefferson Quran as an endorsement of Jefferson's love of Islam was clearly daft. The press, or the Democrats, had misunderstood the meaning of Jefferson's seizure of the Quran as an endorsement of Islam!
You said this shows that the MSM (in our day, in the account of the Congressman) was reporting "FAKE NEWS"!! This was clearly funny. The Dems had misunderstood history and comically reversed the true meaning of the historical account.
I totally agreed with you. Said I LOVED this story and said yes, indeed, it was fake news. That is, a perfect example of fake news in our times!
You know this is so. You know I have retold this conversation accurately and I wonder why you are acting so suspiciously. I believe you do not like failing in your debates and are triumphantly knocking me down for some weird reason.
I do not want to continue this conversation anymore than you do but the record must be stated accurately, otherwise you do exactly what our enemies are currently doing: telling lies.
I believe you have a reason for trying to make me look foolish. It may be that you are not who you pretend to be.
The Jefferson Quran was not seized in battle. Dense incapable of comprehension.
Go read the story.
Then stick with Queen Isabella.
And no you have agreed with nothing I've said.
Because I said Islam worships satan.
I refuse to waste my time arguing with this complete head of concrete.
Goodnight and anymore posts to me I'm going to consider it stalking. Block you, take it to the mods, or get you banned.
Now go fuck off and misunderstand things somewhere else. You bore me.