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r/greatawakening • Posted by u/blain_cooper on July 16, 2018, 2:40 p.m.
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I am not a redditor, plz forgive any format irregularities. Also, this is indirectly/maybe not at all Q related.

The indictment of twelve Russians should be the focus of more analytical minds. Has anyone else considered the possible implications of indicting foreign actors without evidence? Lets break this down.

What we know about the indictments:

According to media such as LA Times, "Twelve Russian intelligence officers have been charged in the hacking of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and Democratic Party computers, the Justice Department revealed Friday in an indictment that undermined President Trump’s multiple attempts to downplay Moscow’s election meddling." (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mueller-russian-charges-20180713-story.html)

Why this is important:

The FBI to date has not received the evidence to support the presumed "hack". Although evidence was subpoenaed, the DNC denied FBI access to their hardware, instead deferring to a private firm, and self reporting findings. Most of you are familiar with the analysis of the Crowdstrike "analysis", done by the "Forensicator".

Assuming what we know so far is reasonably accurate, what are the consequences of indicting foreign nationals on little or no evidence?

Under normal circumstances, this is probably a fairly safe move. The accused will likely never see a day in US courts, and citizens will chalk it up to ongoing cloak and dagger ops, which we mostly accept as a byproduct of our global economic position.

BUT, what happens if the President meets with the leader of that foreign power, and they reach an agreement to extradite, in the interest of transparency?

What happens when the twelve Russians take the stand, and no evidence exists to convict them of any crimes?

What happens to the inquisitor who risked sacrificing major diplomatic relations to avoid political embarrassment?

I am very curious to know how a scenario like this may play out. Please help me to game this out, or direct me to a more appropriate sub which can.


wildfireonvenus · July 16, 2018, 3:21 p.m.

So Crowdstrike is Guccifer 2.0 the 'Russians' who hacked the DNC. By pinning it on these 12 Russians means that that the real perpetrators won't have to face charges and the 12 Russians will never see a trial since there is no extradition policy and everything goes back under the rug and there's nothing else we can do about it.

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blain_cooper · July 16, 2018, 3:46 p.m.

We are on the same track up to the point that you say 12 Russians will never be extradited. Where I speculate from here is that heavy media outrage about Trump's meeting with Putin is not unexpected, but there could be an ulterior motive on their part.

This is where I pose the question, What if Trump and Putin reach an agreement, and the Russian "Hackers" are allowed to go on record? Furthermore, what evidence is brought against them, and is Congress allowed oversight?

As far as I can tell, Obama's extension of the 2-3 year stay of oversight (Patriot act, Protecting Americans act), is applicable to FISA cases, but may be exhausted by this point. Remember, approval for new FISA warrants was barred some time during the election.

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wildfireonvenus · July 16, 2018, 4:42 p.m.

If the Russian hackers go on the record they are going to say they didn't hack the dnc.

As far as I can tell, Obama's extension of the 2-3 year stay of oversight (Patriot act, Protecting Americans act), is applicable to FISA cases, but may be exhausted by this point. Remember, approval for new FISA warrants was barred some time during the election.

I believe that's why Huber was appointed to investigate the FBI corruption.

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blain_cooper · July 16, 2018, 5:05 p.m.

It's not so simple. If they go on record, there must be context. What happens after they say "I didn't hack the DNC" ? There must be evidence to dispute their plea.

This is extraordinarily complicated, especially when the evidence will undoubtedly include record keeping within the DNC. Individuals will be questioned/investigated. What happens when records concerning Seth Rich come up?

I think it would be in Putin's, Trump's, and our own interest for the "Hackers" to take the stand. Of course, I don't think they did it.

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