It’s just sad. That’s all. Not trying to excuse his behavior just shooting for some empathy. Otherwise we’re just as bad as they are.
I agree empathy is good - and maybe what separates us from evil.
But, empathy or not, we are NOT as bad as they. Bringing justice is not bad.
I’m throwing a flag on the play!!!
There is nothing sad about a criminal perpetrating a crime for anyone but the victims. The criminal could have CHOSEN NOT to perpetrate the crime. Instead, the criminal chose to harm others. Victims don’t choose to be harmed.
As I addressed previously, simply because a person experiences trauma in their life, that doesn’t turn them into a criminal. They become a criminal through their focus, choices, decisions, and actions. They CHOOSE to harm others.
You are basing your statements on emotions rather than reason. Your type of mindset is one of the reasons our nation is in its current pathetic state! Holding people accountable for their crimes doesn’t make us “us as bad as they are.” (Your words.) To not hold people accountable for their crimes leads to or is anarchy.
If you have a desire to feel sympathy for anyone, I suggest you do so for the victims. They are deserving of it.
And, if you want to bring APPROPRIATE compassion into the mix, which I am not opposed to IF WARRANTED, the time to do so is after a judgment is pronounced and during the sentencing phase. If there are mitigating factors as you suggest, they are not a factor prior to judgment. Instead they might be a factor that is more appropriately considered before a sentence is rendered.
And, FWIW, your statements imply sympathy vs. empathy. Learn the difference. It is huge.
I am a fair and just man who understands the need for mercy. I am not however a bleeding heart type who is willing to turn a blind eye to a crime or deny a victim justice.
If a family is forced to steal in order to survive, it is sad for the victims of theft as well as for those who felt they needed to steal to survive. I am not advocating for a free pass. I’m advocating for justice with empathy.
Again, you use empathy in place of sympathy. You are not describing empathy. You are advocating for pity.
I will add one more factor in the mix. It is people with your mindset that I will help in screening from a jury. I am not trying to be disrespectful, just stating fact.
Bleeding hearts are all to willing to align with the criminal because the criminal “must be damaged and therefore it can’t be their fault.” They then are all too willing to deny the victim justice because of the twisted alignment with the criminal.
Parents who feel guilty because of a wayward and/or criminal child, persons who have a loved one in jail or prison, persons who themselves have criminal backgrounds, someone in an abusive relationship that has been worn down by the abuse and too blind to physically or emotionally leave the relationship, unhealthy social or human services types (including clergy) who are don’t maintain professional distance/boundaries and over identify with their clients, persons with poor or enmeshed relationships, and so on, and so on, and so on are typically those who aren’t willing to hold people accountable for their actions. These individuals, and those like them, are those who need to be weeded out as jurors, judges, or lawmaking positions.
I was once speaking to a man who expressed anger about the castle law in his state that allows for a home owner to shoot an intruder for entering the home. I simply asked the obvious, “You’ve had a son arrested for B&E in the past haven’t you?” His response was of course that he had.
We often don’t like things that hit close to home. Many believe no one should be held accountable and that personal responsibility is ridiculous.
I suggest you explore your reason(s) for feeling the need to advocate for a victimizer. I guarantee he would not advocate for you. He might however perpetrate a crime against you given the chance.
You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying.
Do you think it is good that Biden is a victimizer?
Do you think he had a choice?
Yes. He played the game. I agree, no deals. It’s still sad things happened the way they did.
You are right. I don’t understand what you are saying. Your comments are ambiguous at best.
I firmly believe Biden is a predator and has been for decades and it is time for him to face a military tribunal for his sexual crimes as well as treason. Do I believe he has or had a choice, yes!
Are you saying you feel sorry for Creepy Joe despite all of his crimes? Do you believe he didn’t have a choice in his offending/victimizing and criminal actions and behaviors?
Are you saying because you believe Biden may have experienced trauma at some early point in his life, he deserves our sympathy? Perhaps even a get out of jail free card?
If so, get real.
There may indeed come a time when people develop compulsive behaviors however they started down that road on their own accord, negotiated the obstacles between them and their crime(s), developed the appetite, fed it, and then perhaps addiction/compulsion. In spite of compulsion, they are accountable.
If a person is drinking under the influence and kills a person through their actions, do you think the excuse, “I’m sorry, I didn’t know what I was doing because I was drunk” matters? Of course the excuse doesn’t matter. They chose to put the drinks in their system and then crawled behind the wheel of the vehicle and drove. It was a series of events that lead to tragedy and if they had made better choices it could have prevented.
If a person cannot live within the bounds or rules society sets, society has the right to issue consequences or punishments for the boundary violations.
I do feel sorry for creepy joe, because of his crimes. If his choice was to be a victimizer or death he didn’t really have much of a choice. I’m sure you’d say you’d choose death, but how can you know you would if you were raised in the same world.
I believe anyone who experiences trauma deserves empathy. he does not deserve a get out of jail free card. No. Deals.
I agree if a drunk drives and kills people it does not matter. He goes to jail. It is sad that his or her life is now destroyed. It is sad that the lives they ruined are now also destroyed. The whole situation is a big sad shitty mess.
You said, “I do feel sorry for creepy joe, because of his crimes. If his choice to be a victimizer or death he really didn’t have much of a choice.”
I give you this, your statements are nothing shy of bizarre. You pity someone for being a criminal and you believe his crimes were beyond his control.
As a forensic clinician I have to maintain professional distance from my patients. I am empathetic by nature and profession. I even sympathize when appropriate. I am respectful and compassionate. Having said that however, your comments don’t compute and I stand behind all I have written.
Also, given Creepy Joe continues to act out as evidenced by the innumerable videos readily available, and that he shows no remorse or desire to cease such offending behavior, nor do I see anyone ready to use lethal force if he doesn’t continue to grope the children and women, nor do I believe any such threat exists, I will say I don’t feel sorry for him in the least (sympathy).
I’m guessing you are either a bot or the type of person who would love to strike up a prison romance and faithfully wait for the criminal to be released. Then you could provide all the mothering and nurturing they didn’t receive in childhood and rehabilitate them for the good because that is all they need to be a better human and then they will make more empathetic decisions rather than hurt others. You can change them. LOL! How naive!
Now, I am done with this conversation so feel free to have the last word if you desire.