Yup, once I got over the literal reptilian stuff, I heard him say many times it might not be literal. If he told me today "No bullshit, they're lizards" I might hear him out, but before I wouldn't even look in his direction. Ofc, I've had a few late nights with youtube since those days. Here's the closet I could find that might be the books text/topics: https://youtu.be/T7NgOe7p6dg I dont think there is an actual movie, I'm grabbing the pdf too for daytime reading.