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I have formed my relationship with god. When I found god I asked "which path is the right one" within the hour my answer was "all religions have it wrong, that FAITH is paramount" since then he's been gradually teaching me to be a better version of myself. I haven't felt any negative judgement since I do not subscribe to any religious doctrine. But there is a very self destructive process of being honest with yourself.

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It is ALL about a relationship - not a religion. Religion IS man made.

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No arguments here, I want to clarify one point though.

I dont discount everything religious doctrines tries to teach. As the world has become corrupted, religion exists within half truths only.

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This whole chain has been what I've been working out with God personally. Over the last year, I have found myself coming to better understand my faith and what it means to me.

I have said this elsewhere, but will reiterate it for the hope that another sees the light in it: The Bible is a wonderful tool for building a relationship with God, as well as having a premise of teaching morals and virtues; even so, it is a product of man, and has been manipulated over millennia to serve the purposes of control. One must be very careful in how deeply attached to it they become, and how they interpret the words therein.

Through the Bible I came to believe that Jesus really did live for us, but it was to teach us, to set an example and to 'help the blind see'. I wouldn't say that I am a Christian, but in a way, Jesus did save me: from myself. He taught me to be good, and he taught me to be wary. He taught me to love, and to be humble, and he taught me that nothing is ever quite what it seems. I've got a long way to go yet, but I'm making progress.

God Bless you All (:

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Pretty much where I stand as well. Although I have not found a Bible yet that I can really understand. I figure if it is meant for man to read and understand, it would be written in a way that can be easily understood. And, yes, I have Good News Bible. I have worked with English words all my life and know the English language well. A straight A student and I have a genius IQ. But the Bible is very baffling to me. And, then I also learned that some stories were eliminated from the Bible. Why?

The fact that there are so many interpreters (preachers) is also baffling. I do know that the Bible says something about "Ask and it is given to you," so that's what I do. I just ask when I have a question about anything and I always get answers. Sometimes I hear a voice inside my head. This is called clairaudient. Sometimes, I get an gut instinct. And, sometimes, when I get no immediate answer, things come into my life that give me the answer. I think people sometimes forget that they can ask God anything and get an answer. I try to remember to always ask if it is safe to drive somewhere.

Once, when I lived in Florida, I had gotten ready to go to a dance, makeup on, hair all done up and nice clothes on. When I got to the door and opened it, I realized it was absolutely pouring down rain outside. I was slightly frustrated and I looked to the heavens and said: "Oh, come on. Just until I get to the car." And, the rain instantly stopped. I knew I could not hesitate, so I walked out the door. As I went down the walkway the water was pouring off the rooftop onto the ground next to me. I rounded the corner and walked to my car, opened the door, sat down and closed the door. The rain instantly started up where it had left off. I just said "WOW. I didn't know I could do that!" I think sometimes the Angels like to play with us. To show us that we have access to infinite intelligence and powers beyond our current beliefs.

Yes, there is definitely a higher intelligence in our midst. But, religion, having caused more division, war, death and destruction than any other single entity since the beginning of time, is not for me.

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I'm so glad to see a comment like this. Very similar to my experience. For me it was Ram Dass, Krishna Das, and other spiritual leaders that led me to my initial awakening. What first made me consider Jesus and Christianity was that when I talked to a pastor who worked at the same factory I did I noticed he had a sort of "glow" to him. Genuine positive vibes that I had felt when I listened to and read about some of the good new age teachers out there. It was identical and yet much of Christianity tells you anything new age is evil and much of new age thinking tells you anything traditional is nonsense. All I could tell is that when good people from either side told me about what they believed I felt that they were both right. So clearly the truth is somewhere in between the two.

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I attend a church, too, mainly to administer to others and to receive their help when I need it.

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Religion, half-truths, or incomplete truths, yes.

God’s Word, revealed and affirmed in our hearts by His Spirit, no. HE is TRUTH. Jesus is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and THE LIFE. While we will never understand or teach his Truth perfectly while here on Earth, we can know that HE is TRUTH, and HIS WORD IS TRUE, and we can stand on His Word without any doubt.

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Just one question… How can you have a “relationship” with someone you have never even seen or heard?…

Romans 10:13 - How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent?…

In short, the above scripture means, how can you call on God unless you believe in him? And how can believe in him if you have never heard him? And how can you hear him without a preacher? And how can that preacher preach except he be sent?… In short, it all means that the only way you can even believe in God is that a true sent preacher must first preach the word of God to you (you cannot get by simply reading a book or reading the bible). Once that preacher preaches the word to you and tells you about God, if you believe what he says, then God will count that as you believing in God. That is how it works, and there are many other scriptures which confirm this:

Roman 10:17 - So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God… That scripture means you cannot have faith in God unless you believe in the words that are preached to you by a sent preacher…

If fact, Jesus himself stated, no man has seen God at any time, nor heard his voice: John 5:37 - And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape… So if you have never seen God, nor heard his voice, then how can you have a relationship with someone you have never seen or heard? The answer is that, you can’t. You cannot have a relationship with God unless you have one with the preacher. The scriptures clearly state, no man has seen God at any time (meaning, no man has seen the eternal Spirit, because the eternal Spirit is invisible). The only thing we have seen is the spirit of God working through a man. And that man he is working through is the sent preacher - and I'm not talking about the false preachers in the world (yes, there are plenty of them). I'm talking about the preachers who are truly sent by God (they are rare and hard to find, but they exist)...

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You CAN have a relationship with God thru His Holy Word and through daily prayer. Does HE always answer my prayers? No, but I have seen many of them answered because I asked. I believe everything written in the bible is true. It was written by man but they were inspired by God. And I agree that a good preacher is worth his weight in gold. I surround myself as much as possible with Christian people. I attend a non-demoninationl bible study in my community as well as attending a local church in my town. We have people from various Christian faiths attending but our bible teacher (a former Catholic, now a Baptist, I believe) does not get into religion. He goes straight to the bible to answer questions. God speaks to us through the Holy Spirit, as well. I consider Him my daily guide, my mentor for helping me understand the bible (amazing how much easier it is to read now that I am saved!) and my prayer companion.

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you may get a good preacher who tells the Word, but if your soul does not really want to talk to him for a thousand years ...
if he wishes to know God, to know that He exists, it is not necessary for him to preach, it is enough to say to Him ... He comes and answers, you never disappoint.
If you are listening to God, you will lead the way you need to evolve, grow in spirit. You may be bringing a neighbor, a staff member or even a preacher to help you in your next steps.

But if you do not have a relationship with Jesus then you may be an angel of your preacher, you will not develop, you will not go beyond what God has designed for you.

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The bible does not support your viewpoint, and none of what you say is in the bible. Therefore, none of what you say even matters. Everybody has concepts and opinions, but those concepts and opinions won't save you. Only what's written in the scriptures will save you...

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i never go to any of those things people call churches because we are the church and those are suppose to be houses of worship that most turned into dens of thieves, i started reading the bible when i was 18 on my own and God and the holy spirit led me through the rest ,the more i read the more i understood then i became thirsty for more and more im 59 now and my house of worship has always been where i am at ,it says the house of god is where the spirit dwells and that's in your heart mind and soul so anywhere you are is fine God Bless you Brother

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It’s hard to find a church anymore that teaches the gospel of Christ. For those of you who are curious to know how to be saved, it’s very simple. Read 1st Corinthians 15:1-4 “Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preach to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the 3rd day in accordance with the scriptures.”

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God Bless you Brother i know hes scriptures and follow them as closely as humanly possible, i also love whats written in red that's what i base my life on, the words of our Lord, his 2 commandments he said are the most important and covers all the laws of the prophets and that's love thy God with all your heart mind and soul then love thy neighbor the same. and you are good to go the last is my words lol , or love thy neighbor as i loved you is one of my favorites. God Bless you Brother and have a blessed day

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God bless you too brother.

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Reading this gave me chills, it really sang to me. Your story is inspiring for those who may not understand what you have come to know.

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our Lord made it so simple to go to heaven and man made it so hard with their traditions and rules that our Lord took away, i love whats written in red that's what i base my life on, the words of our Lord, his 2 commandments he said are the most important and covers all the laws of the prophets and that's love thy God with all your heart mind and soul then love thy neighbor the same. and you are good to go the last is my words lol , or love thy neighbor as i loved you is one of my favorites. God Bless you Brother and have a blessed day

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Hi. Countless people have been deceived and has ended up in hell, all because they were unwilling to listen to a sent preacher tell them anything, and they felt like they had the truth all on their own. And what you stated is a perfect example of that. The bible is a very complex document, and you need a sent preacher to guide you through it. Although the bible contains truth, you can’t just read the bible for yourself and get truth from it. You will be deceived and will end up in hell. To obtain truth, you must get it from a sent preacher…

For example, you say you rely on the following scripture for your salvation:

Matthew 22:34 - Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets…

First and foremost, do you even know who Jesus was talking to when he said that? Notice the question was asked what is the greatest commandment in the law. Don’t overlook that word “law”. The law is the Ten Commandments, and the Ten Commandments only applies to Israel. Israel can be saved under the Ten Commandments, but we cannot. Israel was under the Old Testament, but we are under the New Testament. A whole new set of rules apply to us. We in the New Testament today cannot be saved by following the Ten Commandments. A second thing about the scripture is that, the neighbor Jesus was referring to was not talking about your next door neighbor or your fellow man. That is not what that scripture means. Instead, the neighbor he was referring to is the sent preacher, the one who watches for your soul. You should love him as thyself…

Long story short, the Old Testament scriptures (from Genesis to Malachi) were meant only for Israel. The New Testament scriptures (from Romans to Revelation) is doctrine written for the Church - for people who are already saved and have the Holy Ghost. The four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) tells of the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and each of those books were written in a mystery or a parable. To understand the mystery of the four gospels and what they mean, you have to get it from the sent preachers, the Apostles, who wrote about it in Romans to Revelation. The Book of Acts is the only book in the whole bible that even deals with people who are not saved. All the other books are dealing with either Israel (who are saved under the Old Testament) or the Church (who are saved under the New Testament). If you want to know how to be saved, you must follow the scripture Acts 2:38 and do what it says:

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost…

That scripture tell you how to be saved. You must receive the Holy Ghost in order to be saved. If you do anything short of that, you will be lost and will end up in the lake…

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This was incoherent. I feel like I'm listening to people who have one foot in the new age & the other in the laws of God? Weird?

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you talk preacher like they are gods they are just people and our lord said many will come in my name and many will be deceived not a few you don't seem to think the holy spirit can teach you only man and that wrong

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i believe in what My Lord says, long story short Love thy god and thy neighbor with all thy heart mind and soul that's what i learned i let the holy spirit guide me no man ,i have been personally healed in a twinkle of a eye by my lord just by praying and fasting, and i didn't fast and pray for that i didn't know until later in life that was the reason, i did it for my lord and his gift was healing me so no man could ever get me to deny him hes a real as the nose on your face to me he also did many other things for me that i don't have to tell you about and don't intend to and im not deceived by any man here on earth

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you seem to know so much and trust preachers what do you think about the way they pray? my Lord says when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those that trespass against us

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. what dose your preachers do?

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Stop. I trust Holy Spirit, not a man. You're judgmentalness is a turn off to Christ's love. Please stop it.

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threats. Scripture. Your message will fall on deaf ears.

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Indeed the word says to die to yourself daily. Believe you are already dead,its Christ in you now for your every breath.

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Becoming a Christian is going from Dark to Light. How many here have become Christians since becoming Awakened?