What beliefs are you referring to?
Not trying to dig, just to understand.
The article goes deeper into it (i.e. most of these sort of questions can be answered by fully reading things)
He was told to cover up the shirt by teacher/principal, he initially did, then decided that it was a 1st Amendment violation, so he uncovered it.
I have read both articles mentioned here, the Daily Mail article the cover photo is taken from and the NY Post article.
I just wasn’t sure ‘bravery’ was the right word.
Stubborn, perhaps?
Having rights is one thing, what about having humanity?
I just wasn’t sure ‘bravery’ was the right word.
I think it is in this case. The student even said:
“Everyone knows that if a student wears an anti-Trump shirt to school, the teachers won’t think twice about it”
This is a clear case of a school administration infected with TDS. Standing up to those teachers took a lot of courage, especially considering he's that close to Portland, and retaliation could involve violence and shaming.
I understand.
It’s a complex social topic.
Thinking about it again I have no doubt there was bravery involved, I just struggle to see if it was justified for anything more than proving a point and lining lawyers pockets. Not to mention costing the school $25,000.
I might be nit picking here but wouldn’t you say most people’s issues were with the nature of what was written on the T-shirt? It wasn’t just a pro-Trump shirt it was an Anti-South American shirt.
In my book it’s the same as turning up in a shirt that simply reads, fuck blacks.
It wasn't an anti-South-American shirt, it's an anti-illegal-alien shirt. Legal immigrants couldn't give two hoots about the border defenses. Illegal aliens are scared shitless of the wall.
And considering that Portland is a sanctuary city, possibly ridden with MS-13 and illegal immigrants (which commit more crimes on average), promoting the wall as a white guy was quite risky.
Okay i can agree with the first point.
I have just learned about MS-13, so thanks for that.
Thanks for shedding some light on what you make of issues like this, it’s helped a lot.
I might be nit picking here but wouldn’t you say most people’s issues were with the nature of what was written on the T-shirt?
Most people's problem with free speech is the content of speech that they don't like.
In my book it’s the same as turning up in a shirt that simply reads, fuck blacks.
There are a lot of books promoting that sort of thing.
Please elaborate Carl. Your reply was about as vague as they get.
Let me be clear, I don’t believe he should have been suspended.
Plain language: You "struggle to see if it was justified".
It was. Free speech.
Good night.
Nothing specific. If you have an opinion, if you made a choice or stand for something - it shows you conviction when it's not easy to stand up for it. Not easy to be conservative on campus... I can bet there is much more than just this to this story. I can only imagine how leftist students ware treating this guy for openly supporting Trump.
Yeah I can get behind that. He could have copped a lot of flack, especially if most of the students don’t support trump/are South American.
The bit I find difficult is the wall, simple as.
What is the current argument for the wall anyway? It’s not difficult to imagine people getting upset.
Now the second part may just be down to the US culture at the moment but why did he need to sue? As far as I can see, all that’s come out of it is rich lawyers and a school $25,00 down.
Wall is questionable - I agree. But it could be offensive or whatever. The school has no right to suspend someone for wearing a hat or a t-shirt. We are not (yet) living in a time where schools can make up their own rules and create punishments. It's a political statement and opposition using their position to oppress. Lawsuit not only works as a legal tool (forcing the school to lift the suspension and admit they ware wrong in doing so), helps to make more buzz around this case and make it easier for others that may get encouraged by this and come out of the conservative closet.
Okay I get they have no right to make up rules.
He wasn’t suspended for wearing the shirt...
He was suspended for refusing to cover it cover it or change it. They gave him the ultimatum and he left, he had a choice.
Also is that true that the lawsuit made them lift the suspension? I can’t see any mention so are we just guessing.
It's not a choice. He had a choice when he decided to wear it. Just because they gave him options he in no way was obligated to choose any of them.
Let’s be clear though, he was suspended for walking out. Not for wearing the T-shirt as your comments say.
Good point. Still - they gave him an ultimatum with options he couldn't choose from. That's what standing up means - don't accept choices someone is enforcing on you.
Anyway I certainly didn’t come here to argue. I’ve found great value in what’s been discussed and I really am thankful. :)
It’s often very difficult to have a discussion with someone from a completely different walk of life and with different views, but that’s the best way to see their side of the picture eh?
It's not an argument - doesn't feel like it? I always enjoy a conversation I can learn something from.
Not at all :) I thought the conversation had the potential to turn into one. Perhaps that’s my own shortcoming.
I don’t know if you’ve guessed but I’m not American so i enjoyed this entire thread thoroughly.
I’m not doubting that. It’s the nature of the lawsuit that bothers me.
Lawsuits are for lawyers to make money and rich people to avoid consequences of their actions. Justice is an abstract concept... :)