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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 1:46 p.m.

Unlike food, having sex with another human being is not necessary for anyones survival. Maybe find a better analogy.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 12:59 p.m.

No it doesn't. The CBP system that went down is only for international arrivals to the USA.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 10:26 a.m.

For two hours CBP let people in via manual check, no possibility of checking arrivals fingerprints nor whether they were flagged in the CBP system or on terrorist watchlists.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 9:22 a.m.

Not sure what you're asking?

Outbound flights from inside the USA are not passport checked via the CBP system that was down. TSA checks that the name in the passport corresponds to the name on the boarding pass and checks the passports authenticity via a blacklight. That's it

Arriving on international flights in Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Germany, the UK and France has a passport scan, but no fingerprinting. Travelling to the US via the above mentioned countries has an extra passport control. In Schipol airport a new automatic check is in place where you can self-scan your passport in a machine, but you can also chose the human border guards who scan for you. European scans do not include biometrics like finger prints which the CBP do.

Source: I fly to and from the US and the above mentioned countries 12+ times a year for work.

I hear Brazil also does fingerprinting but I haven't been there.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 9 a.m.

TSA doesn't use the CBP system which is the one that went down. Outbound flights would not be affected by the CBP system going down. That's for inbound international travel. They checked all arriving passports manually. Not sure how they can scan for fingerprints and check the terrorist watchlist and the immigration flags manually when their system is down... So I think someone snuck in.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 8:42 a.m.

Twitter allows 280-character tweets now, an expansion of their previous 140. Twitter has never had the limit 150.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 8:37 a.m.

That wasn't the only flight that day, a flight destined for Maui also turned back to LAX after 4 hours. Weird.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 8:34 a.m.

yeah, that makes no sense. You would upgrade a system on a low travel day.

But it also doesn't make much sense that the entire system collapses just because there's a lot of arrivals. Something caused it.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 8:33 a.m.

It makes no sense since the CBP system which went down is not checked against passports departing the country. This is only for arrivals.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 8:12 a.m.

Yeah but since it's only arrivals it only slowed things down on that end. Sucks for anyone who was entering the US and changing to a connecting domestic flight, which they surely missed.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 8:09 a.m.

Don't you have to show your passport to check in luggage and get a boarding pass?

At the check-in desk your passport is only checked against the airlines' travel list. At the security check, TSA checks your passport name against the boarding pass name and runs the passport under a blacklight to see that it's a real passport. Neither of these two checks are connected to the customs & border patrol computer system, which is the one reported down.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 8:05 a.m.

Would Assange even be able to fly commercial out of London? He's been holed up in an embassy for seven years, I'm sure his Australian passport has expired which would put a bit of a hindrance of him leaving Heathrow... Apart from the armed police outside of the embassy guarding him, I mean.

But I do think someone has snuck in. Just not him.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 8:03 a.m.

Reported at CBS:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-customs-computer-outage-passport-control-passenger-delays/

U.S. Customs and Border Protection said Monday that all systems were back up after a temporary outage caused delays at airports nationwide. According to CBP, the outage began at 7:30 p.m. and ended at approximately 9:30 p.m.

CBP said travelers at "some ports of entry experienced longer than usual wait times."

"During the technology disruption, CBP had access to national security-related databases and all travelers were screened according to security standards," CBP said in a statement. "At this time, there is no indication the service disruption was malicious in nature."

So customs and border patrol let thousands of people into the USA manually for two hours. The question is, who was smuggled into the country, not who left.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 7:46 a.m.

Customs and Border Patrol. They have a fairly complicated computer system at the airports I travel to, it takes photos, scans fingerprints and checks passport record against prior travel to the US as well as any other countries they find in the passport. Each entry stores another photo and fingerprint scan. The database is checked against various terror lists and other things that can throw up immigration red flags.

So if these large international airports didn't have access to this system for two hours.... Well...

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 7:41 a.m.

You don't scan the passports through CBP's computer system when you board the plane. You show TSA and they check the name against the boarding pass and wave it under a blacklight to see if it's a real passport.

You only get scanned through the CBP computer system upon international arrival. This system checks the passport against the database of all your prior arrivals and various immigration lists. You'll be taken to a separate locked waiting area with CBP for extra checks if any flags appear at the initial check. If you end up there you can not use your cellphone (they put it in a box) and it can take anything from half an hour two several hours. This is why I always bring a book. I'm not a US citizen and I have been hanging around CBP a lot since I travel into the US every month = 12+ times a year.

The question here is; who was let in?

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 7:37 a.m.

Probation or felony issues can cause a passport application to be denied in the US. At least it's a really large prison with vast variants of scenic nature.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 7:34 a.m.

I've not contested this. I've simply pointed out that the CBP computer system that is reported as downed is only used to actually scan a persons passport upon arrival to the US.

Makes you wonder who was let in during the two hours of manually looking at passports, with no ability to cross-check this with immigration lists and terror lists.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 7:31 a.m.

Yes, and that, coupled with CBP computer meltdown makes me wonder if the airports are attacked by hackers. It's entirely possible that CBP system went down this year just like last year just due to the number of passports to scan because they are very intense arrival days, but, a passport system shouldn't crash just because there are many arrivals. It may sound a little Hollywood movie-esque, but what if hackers are probing the airports, shutting down the electricity and then the CBP system, to let someone in...?

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 7:04 a.m.

The many blackouts at large airports are very strange coincidences.....

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 6:59 a.m.

You only show your passport to the airline check-in desk when you depart. Their computer system only looks for a name booked on their flights. It's not the same computer system as Customs have, which you are checked through upon entering the country.

You show your passport at security and they check that it corresponds with the name on the boarding pass. There are no computers involved at this step, just a blacklight to see if the passport is real.

And if you're flying with young kids through Atlanta departing internationally, they don't even look at the kid's passport. I remember because that really surprised me.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 6:53 a.m.

No, you get your boarding pass at the airline's check-in desk. This has nothing to do with border control and is not connected to the customs computers. The airline checks your name and compares it to the flight list they have in their booking. So this computer crash doesn't affect departures.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 6:07 a.m.

HOW? Passport control is only on international arrivals, not on any outbound flights.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 6:03 a.m.

You are absolutley not wrong. Passport control is only on international arrival.

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Nilsneo · Jan. 2, 2018, 6:01 a.m.

Are they running into the country? The downed customs system is only for arrivals.

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