>>1933903

>Connect the esoteric metaphysical to the religious.

>Make them both add up. They never seem to fit together.

You should review the study on the first tablets of Moses. It's all about how "metaphysical" forces of natural change force the repeats of time and process. This is how ancient prophets were able to foresee the future. And what they saw is happening all around us right now. They even spoke to it at length, but only the "tongue" of their own "metaphysical" insight toward it.

This doc about that has been around here since the beginning but it's too deep for most folks.

cog49.com/ft.pdf

>>1967431

I think you have nearly answered your own question.

>The reality is God is both for and against "us."

In the simple sense, this is true.

>The question really is, who is us or more subjectively, who is me?

In deeper levels of theology individuality fades into collectivity. The deeper you go, the more there is no "me." There is only "we" (In Him and Him in us).

>Me in the scriptures is a two fold state of two separate entities. Me, the child of God and the unseen me, the evil present with all of us who is not "me."

The root term for "evil" is defined by Strong's as "to break things." Evil is leaving things out. We do things incompletely (break things out) because we do not yet perceive all the (7-fold) repercussions of what we do. This "evil" is all that makes God against us. It also makes us mortal and temporal (our culture too).

When we learn to do all things in the same 7-fold (see the pdf intro) "completeness" with which God does things, we are no longer children of God but become men of God (like Paul talks about) and attain to perpetual (eternal) potential. And God is not against us then.

>>1987467

>Religion tells you that you have to clean yourself up before God can use you. THAT is a trap and the biggest lie we have to overcome.

ditto that

>>1983046

You are living in the past.

Some have already overcome and do not struggle with the things you do. Look beyond the little things to those that are more enduring and meaningful - the greater matters of social improvement and sustainability. When you grasp them, and find gratification in their advancement and promotion, you also find self-justification and escape further self-defamation and conviction.

>>1990128

I you knew the cycles of time Moses teaches of (at the link I posted), you would understand Christ better, and know better than that.

What you are missing is primarily with interpretation. You are reading and swearing by the letter of the law and missing the spirit (of change and process) it teaches about.

We are in a completely different season of time now. You should really check it out. Many on this forum have and are completely changed by it.

>>2004908

>The law still applies…

That is as far as I read. This is where you are wrong. As of the last 20 years, the written law does not apply. The spirit of law Moses teaches about now supercedes all that. Again, this is because we live in a different time now. All things are made new. The past world (order) is gone because the new one has appeared.

This whole board is for and about people who are escaping the status quo of belief in every regard. They come here to study and learn about many things that make more sense and are more honest and truthful than what others believe. Religion is one of the most misled and delusional of all such things. I would encourage you to study and learn from and with others here if this describes you. But if it does not, it makes no sense for you to even be here to begin with.

>>2010184

The law of the spirit SUPERCEDES the law of the letter (what is written, taken literally). And it is learned from all that is written. I am not talking about throwing out the law, but about learning the fourth age purpose for it.

We never had the full understanding of what the "law of the spirit" means until the seven seals were opened. That is what has changed. And it has changed everything. That is why we are all here on this board today.

Don't consider me closed minded as long as you (or others) are the one(s) that claim(s) there is little to back up what I am saying and do not even review the study that outlines all of this.

>>2017536

It is in the text. The sources are nearly a century of theological development in the vein of the "outsider theologians" that were never in it for profit. This is why it arrives not only at odds with most of where the commercial theologians are today, but in the discovery of the sustainable man - the perpetual society - eternal life.

It is the narrow path few can endure, driven by logic, by term definitions (as Paul teaches), by associating natural concepts and untainted by any thought not derived from the perspectives of the ancients as they reflect on modern affairs.

>>2017536

Good for you for reading it. It will never leave you.

>>2026628

Understanding, not eliminating - God's words.

>In any case the law is spiritual and therefore not eliminated, Romans 7:14, but upheld, Romans 3:31

My point exactly. The law is established by faith, not by the letter.

5:13 is when the vision of eternal destiny it all brings is known to and applied for all. Short of that, only the few understand - as with the prophets that encrypted it all into canon. And many on this board have made that journey themselves, as well as thousands of thousands before that.

Matt 4:4 and Luke 4:4 also agree. It is the words "from the mouth of God" that matter most. And the mouth of God in Scripture (of whom even Jesus confirmed every jot and tittle) is Moses. The seals reveal the additional nature of the first tablets he hid (think hidden leaven parable) therein.

>>2029377

So, you believe in Satan as a living entity, rather than a collective "spirit" of Christian adversity?

Tell me, does he float around in the sky or live underground?

Most of the people on this board now know much better than that.

Things like that are what religion is made of. They serve temporary purposes for good (when men are weak of mind or yet children in understanding), but they are not the whole truth. They provide security for man until more is needed, and the times for such changes were meticulously appointed and since manifest throughout history. We are in another one of them now.

>>1956807

Well put.

I love it that so many on this board survived church and "ACTUALLY GET IT !"

>>2033717

There is a certain perfect order to Scripture that has never been embraced in popular theology. This is because the time for it had not yet come. In the mean time, (commercial) theologians had to explain thing in Scripture as it was popularly accepted or understood (to be popular themselves). This was good for the time and it has enabled Christianity to endure many centuries and to grow throughout the world. But there would eventually come a time the "more refined" meaning(s) would be more useful and even much needed. Moses and the prophets (as well as the recorders of ancient times and Paul, mainly) wrote many things with this in mind. It was sort of a code that would eventually avail itself and deliver to "end time" man much greater wisdom - wisdom previous generations would not only not need but would corrupt and prevent the end time meaning/messages.

A few of these means of encryption are: 1) the meanings of terms and names (old and new testament) and the general concepts of such things; 2) Time periods for the free world (Jacob, or the tribes that were promised to become nations) which are denoted by many references to exact years and events that would demarcate them (each are also associated with body regions as per Daniel's vision); 3) Natural associations that defy language barriers (clothing, hands, feet, direction, elevation, etc… all bear the same general meanings despite what language a person understands) and also 4) "Spirit," which means "breath." The natural meaning here is generally immediate need (you have to breathe every minute), your personal relationship with the environment (air) that everybody partakes of, and mentality (spirit of fear, grief, etc. - or of perception/understanding in the same regard - which is personal, immediate and vital).

This latter means of encryption (in agreement with and as taught by these other means) would eventually and has presently come to show how the processes of order (divine intent) take place in the unfolding of our own social (societal) maturation.

This fulfillment of such order is what Paul refers to when he mentions in Romans "those who know not the law but fulfill the law." This is the spiritual law manifesting in the hearts of those of the Christian world "by the spirit." Truth seeking is not a universal quality. Some people in other cultures are not so geared for seeking it as those in the West. It is coming out of them because it was put into them (and their ancestors) long ago.

That is what this board is about. It is about those seeking truth and justice because they need it and they "fulfill" the law (the "higher" law of life - see pdf) by doing so.

>Do you refer to "law of the spirit" as universal law?

I do not, although it is universal. I say this because I expect others have defined this term in other ways.

>also known as laws of creation and natural law.

I do use these terms for it too, but without any other intended meaning others might embrace. Most generally, I call it the seven laws of natural (or divine) order. And this can be misunderstood too. The difference is natural order is the process of change that drives the life of all living things, while divine order is the divine intent by which we should negotiate them.

>>2033717

What changed in the '90's when these things were revealed is that it upset the apple-cart of globalism and caused the elite (because of their previous control of religion) to panic, force their own hand, and subsequently lose control over the ensuing two decades. What has regained control of the world for the righteous has been the manifestation of this law in 'those that know not the law" but were willing to defend life (follow the higher law).

The story of this time is most well described in the "Parable of the Plagues" subsection of the pdf - p126. cog49.com/ft.pdf The uncanny correlations between that story and the present one shows we have "followed the law" as it was recorded by Moses in that story. There are many other examples of this also.

>>2039631

I've been intending to look up the NH since I saw you mentioning it. I saw the gospel of Phillip the other day and I was really impressed with it. There were folks that knew more than they were saying back then. They did not put it all in plain terms, but you can discover what they really meant when you get to the right point.

It's easy to see why texts like that were never canonized. Folks were too simple back then (and in the middle ages). They would have been too misunderstood. It seems even the writers knew that and intended some things for a much later time (when a more mature audience could understand them).

Falter? I think the bigger challenge is putting off believing. We need to challenge ourselves constantly. I see you do. In any matter of interpretation or understanding if we just let logic and other related matters integrate (consider new things from many angles) and gel in the back of our mind over time, eventually we make new progress in believing what may have first seemed absurd. But we do so when it makes more other, unrelated things make better sense too. Then you can go on to mulling over even bigger questions.

Jumping around? Well, it seems we often find ourselves trying to explain something to others that "contrasts" with what we really believe. But that often happens if you are too far ahead of them to go there.

The elite? The most elite know. They certainly know. But they do not yet see the ramifications of it. They're still a little stuck in the past for that.