THEIR NEED FOR SYMBOLISM WILL BE THEIR DOWNFALL

>The universal sentiment of the Freemasons of the present day is to confer upon Solomon, the King of Israel, the honor of being their first Grand Master. But the legend of the Craft had long before, though there was a tradition of the Temple in existence, given, at least by suggestion, that title to Nimrod, the King of Babylonia and Assyria. It had credited the first organization of the fraternity of craftsmen to him, in saying that he gave a charge to the workmen whom he sent to assist the King of Nineveh in building his cities.

>That is to say, he framed for them a Constitution, and, in the words of the legend, this was the first time that ever Masons had any charge of his science. It was the first time that the Craft was organized into a fraternity working under a Constitution of body of laws. As Nimrod was the autocratic maker of these laws, it necessarily resulted that their first legislator, creating laws with his unlimited and absolute governing power, was also their first Grand Master.

We're going back, way back, to where this all began. Join us as we trace from the beginning to today, and identify the symbols throughout the ages and how they show the rise and fall of nations time and time again.

Could it be? Could the ancient cults of Babylon really have survived to this day? The answer seems to be a very loud YES, but somehow many are deaf to this. Could this be the cabal? The infamous (((they))) everyone fears? Join us as we decode and expose this great mystery!!!

Who was Nimrod?

What was Babel?

Who were the Canaanites/Phoenicians?

What is their history with Child Sacrifice?

Who is Moloch/Baal/etc?

How did they relate to the ancient Israelites?

What did Egypt have to do with it?

Did the Exodus happen? And who were the Hyksos?

What about that weirdo Akhenaten?

Was it sun worship? Or was it SATURN worship?

Were these people actually monotheistic?

What about India, and the far East?

Were there Giants?

What happened to Neanderthals? Cro-Magnon?

Who was Enki, Enlil, and Anu?

When was America really discovered?

Why the Red/White stripes?

Who were the Vikings?

What is the Phoenix?

What are the origins of Freemasonry?

What about other secret societies?

What really happened in the French Revolution?

Why is America littered with occult symbolism?

What is the Owl?

What is a Y Head? Could it be related to the double headed Phoenix?

And many other questions! The above hopefully inspired some thought.

The purpose of this thread is not just to answer these in isolation, but to show connections that tie it ALL TOGETHER.

If you can, please provide exact dates as much as possible as it would be cool to eventually compile a Chronology of this timeline.

Formerly Nordic World Order

>>1719707

Archived: http://archive.is/mob16

Some have mentioned Noahide Laws as a possibility for the "N", personally I don't see how that adds up to much but I'll post them here for the sake of it:

Genesis 9

God’s Covenant With Noah

9 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

4 “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

6 “Whoever sheds human blood,

by humans shall their blood be shed;

for in the image of God

has God made mankind.

7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it.”

8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

12 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”

17 So God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth.”

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I don't see how such laws are unreasonable, personally. I think it's interesting that most people don't realise that the Ten Commandments were for the Israelite's only, and that Noahide covenant is for us lowly Gentiles.

I wager that the Torah itself is hugely inspired by Babylonian mythology and that Babylon is the original source material anyway.

Even though Nimrod is in the Torah, and Nimrod was certainly not his real name (it was his slander name given by those who hated him), it's still the name we know him by.

It's pretty obvious the sad, barbaric practices of the Canaanites are directly inspired and endorsed by Old Babylon

>>1941716

Love it.

I find it incredibly convenient that the wars of the new century have all been in Mesopotamia. What are they really looking for?

They looted the Iraq Museum.

They dethroned Hussein who thought he was Nebuchadnezzar III

There's MILLIONS of cuneiform tablets still untranslated and likely much more underground.

This leads me to think two possibilities:

1. (((They))) know what they're looking for and want to find it before others do so that they can hide it.

1. (((They))) need to confirm something important and are desperately seeking the answer to mystery of their own.

I actually lean towards 2 because of how Hitler had teams go around the world looking for certain relics and other esoteric things. He was looking for something important.

So.. what could they be actually looking for? What are they trying to confirm? Maybe it's some sort of way of contacting "the gods"? Some cipher?

>>1941955

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Nimrod.html#.WzUfj9JKiHs

The verb מרד (marad) means to be rebellious or to revolt (2 Kings 18:7, Numbers 14:9). It occurs all over the Semitic language spectrum and about twenty-five times in the Bible. More than half of its occurrences cover scenes in which man revolts against man (and always Israel and its king revolting against an invading or occupying foreign force), and in the other half man revolts against God. Its derivations are:

The masculine noun מרד (mered), meaning rebellion (Joshua 22:24 only).

The feminine noun מרדות (mardut), also meaning rebellion (1 Samuel 20:30 only).

A semi-synonym of this verb is סרר (sarar), which also means to be rebellious, but which appears to place the emphasis on attitude rather than on action, as does מרד (marad).

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So obviously his mother didn't name her baby "Rebel", so Nimrod is a nickname.

Sounds kind of like Renegade, doesn't it????

>>1942212

How in the fuck is this anti-white?

There's no racism here, we're tracing down a belief system and a secret cabal. The cabal might have racial undertones but it's certainly not isolated to one single race.

>>1942253

I'm confused, are you insinuating that Nimrod was a whitehat? I highly doubt that.

Nimrod was a mighty hunter before the lord, yes. Nimrod had the cloaks that Elohim made for Adam and Eve, and this somehow charmed animals and allowed him to even talk to them.

But his name literally means Rebel.

From the link you posted:

Nimrod WAS "A MIGHTY HUNTER BEFORE GOD. He was the man choosen by GOD to eliminate the remnant of the giants that survived the flood. God even gave Nimrod a mighty bow to hunt them down with.

In those days the giants were considered as gods. Nimrod thought after killing them, he could use the same weapon against God's angels. He blamed the angels for what was happening to mankind at that time; the flood, the nephilim, etc.

The day the Tower of Babel was destroyed, Nimrod did try his mighty bow, given him by GOD, against an Angel that was watching the construction of the Tower of Babel.

That is the reason why people say Nimrod was against GOD; but he never was against GOD. He hated the Nephilim and he had to hunt the remnants of them. He knew the Nephilim used to be angels, so he thought if he could kill the angels he would probably save mankind.

DO NOT FORGET GOD's promise to Noah. The next time He will use fire to destroy the earth, instead of water. Nimrod thought that day was near; and that's why he tried to build the Tower of Babel, not to avoid a flood but to flee the fire.

>>1942371

Hah, funny. Maybe? How did they determine chapter/verse in the first place anyway?

>>1942696

My thought is that Nimrod was not a good person. Probably even thought of himself as a God. The Tower of Babel is actually a metaphor, and the languages aren't words, but symbols. Symbols once understood, became confounded. His people spread throughout the Earth, but know each other because of their ancient symbols and therefore "language". In this way he was able to preserve his evil religion throughout the ages. In the beginning they openly practised it, but something happened that forced it underground. This is where the mystery religions and secret societies originate from.

>>1944389

>>1944460

I should have read your post first! Yes this is I think correct.

However, it may be more likely they use evil symbols and trick us into thinking they're good.

At this point I'm not even sure what a "good" symbol is

Obviously a biased Christian perspective on it, but interesting review of the notion

https://butlincat.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/an-encyclopedia-of-freemasonry-a-g-mackey.pdf

Babel

In Hebrew, ^33 ; which the writer of Genesis connects with SSa, balal, " to confound," in reference to the confusion of tongues ; but the true derivation is probably from BAB-EL, " the gate of El " or the "gate of God," because perhaps a temple was the first building raised by the primitive nomads. It is the name of that celebrated tower attempted to be built on the plains of Shinar, A. M. 1775, about one hundred and forty years after the deluge, and which, Scripture informs us, was destroyed by a special interposition of the Almighty. The Noachite Masons date the commencement of their order from this destruction, and much traditionary information on this subject is preserved in the degree of "Patriarch Noachite." At Babel, Oliver says that what has been called Spurious Freemasonry took its origin. That is to say, the people there abandoned the worship of the true God, and by their dispersion lost all knowledge of his existence, and of the principles of truth upon which Masonry is founded. Hence it is that the rituals speak of the lofty tower of Babel as the place where language was confounded and Masonry lost. See Oman.

This is the theory first advanced by Anderson in his Constitutions^ and subsequently developed more extensively^ by Dr. Oliver in all his works, but especially in his Landmarks. As history, the doctrine is of no value, for it wants the element of authenticity. But in a symbolic point of view it is highly suggestive. If the tower of Babel represents the profane world of ignorance and darkness, and the threshing floor of Oman the Jebusite is the symbol of Freemasonry, because the Solomonic Temple, of which it was the site, is the pro- totype of the spiritual temple which Masons are erecting, then we can readily understand how Masonry and the true use of language is lost in one and recovered in the other, and how the progress of the can- didate in his initiation may properly be compared to the progress of truth from the confusion and ignorance of the Babel builders to the perfection and illumination of the temple builders, which temple builders all Freemasons are. And so, when in the ritual the neophyte, being asked "whence he comes and whither is he travelling," replies, " from the lofty tower of Babel, where language was confounded and Masonry lo.st, to the threshing-floor of Oman the Jebusite, where language was restored and Masonry found," the questions and answers become intelligible from this symbolic point of view.

whoa!

>>1945578

Nimrod

The legend of the Craft in the Old Constitutions refers to Nimrod as one of the founders of Masonry. Thus in the York Manuscript we read: "At y* makeing of y" Toure of Babell there was Masonrie first much esteemed of, and the King of Babilon y' was called Nimrod was A mason himselfe and loved well Masons." And the Cooke Manuscript thus repeats the story: "And this same Nembroth began the towre of babilon and he taught to his werkemen the craft of Masonrie, and he had with him many Masons more than forty thousand. And he loved and cherished them well." The idea no doubt sprang out of the Scriptural teaching that Nimrod was the architect of many cities ; a state- ment not so well expressed in the authorized version, as it is in the improved one of Bochart, which says : " From that land Nimrod went forth to Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and Rehoboth city, and Calah, and Resen between Nineveh and Calah, that is the great city."

>>1946496

That would make sense.

I'm hoping that we can not get lost in mythology and try to find the TRUE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. I think that's important to solving this puzzle.

So if Nimrod is Gilgamesh, and Gilgamesh is real, then that's important. We can then stamp a date on it and work forward from there.

I think it's fascinating that Gilgamesh was obsessed with conquering Death and becoming immortal. Perhaps he found a way by deifying himself in a cult? For all we fucking know, that kind of magic actually works and Gilgamesh really does live in some secret brain-in-a-vat deep in a Syrian cave (I kid! Or do I?)

HOLY SHIT GUYS I THINK Q JUST CONFIRMED WE'RE ON TARGET

Freemasonry, started by the Canaanites… who were the Canaanites? They were the Phoenicians… Who were they? They pretty much collapsed the bronze age so that they could rebuild a monopoly of sea trading in the known world at the time.

The Phoenix Cabal.

Jean Fourton discovered that Sigmund Freud was a free-mason, and that nobody knew it. This is a discovery of interest for the history and daily clinical practice of psychoanalysis as it puts a new light on work and life of the creator of psychoanalysis. To fill in of a missing page in Freud's biography, he publishes in 2012 the first book on the subject which is now a reference:[7] Freud franc-maçon (Editions Souny) soon to be published in English.

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`transference' to Goethe.

What is known for certain is that Jung's great inspiration, his grandfather Carl Gustav, was born in 1794 and converted to Protestantism in his student years. Carl Gustav attended Heidelberg University where he studied medicine though his first love was poetry. His combative personality and taste for radical causes were almost his undoing, for at twenty-three, with his career barely started, he was arrested and spent a year without trial in the Hansvogtei prison. His political activities led him to befriend genuine revolutionaries, one of whom assassinated the Russian privy councillor Kotzebue; in the ensuing hue and cry a hammer and an axe were found in Carl Jung's rooms and he was held as an accessory. Once released, ruined and embittered, he made his way to Paris where he met the famous naturalist and traveller Alexander von Humboldt. Humboldt took him under his wing, found him a job in the Department of Surgery at the Hotel-Dieu and spotted him as a potential recruit for the Berne academy. When Berne showed no interest, Humboldt presented his protege's credentials to the new medical school at Basel, and secured a post for him. Jung left for Switzerland in 1820, took out Swiss nationality and made his career in Switzerland thereafter, becoming professor of medicine at Basel University in 1822.

Like his grandson, Carl Gustav was autocratic and pranksterish. Anticipating Gerard de Nerval with his lobster, he had a small pig as a pet which he took on walks as if it were a dog. A strong personality, active, brilliant, witty, voluble and a great organizer, Carl Gustav senior transformed the Basel medical faculty. Before he arrived the faculty had been in a bad way: for many years the anatomist and botanist Johann Jakob Burckhardt had been the only teacher, and between 1806 and 1814 not a single degree had been awarded. Greatly interested in psychiatry – Carl Gustav tried unsuccessfully to endow a chair in the subject at Basel – he founded an institute for psychologically disturbed and retarded children and spent much of his free time with his charges until his death in 1864. Eventually Rector of Basel University, he was an ardent Freemason, became Grand Master of the Swiss Lodge, published numerous scientific papers and wrote plays. He made great friends with the German theologian Wilhelm de Wette (1780-1849), like himself a political refugee, who had been dismissed as professor of theology at Berlin University for his radical sympathies.

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So the two grandfathers of therapy were quite possibly masons! Freud is suspected, and Jungs grandfather was a fucking Grand Master!!

>>1953639

No one's saying the Nords, you shill. Notice that Nordic was changed to Nimrod

But it's no doubt that the viking raids that destabilised Europe played a part in the grand plan.

>>1956421

Wait did I read this correct? The author is actually suggesting that the Canaanites sailed all the way from Ireland to the Levant? This thread is certainly open to all theories, can you unpack this a bit more?

Is he actually suggesting that the Phoenicians weren't semetic at all?

>This is what the Old Testament hints, and what a great deal of miscellaneous Masonic literature suggests.

This part in particular intrigues me.

> These Caucasian Goths considered horned animals, such as stags and goats, to be sacred symbols of their people and gods.

Y HEADS

> Almost everything we read about them is designed to deceive.

Considering how hard it is to get a straight story about these mysterious people, I can believe it.

> Phoenicia never at any time was a nation under one government, but was merely a geographical designation

True, which is what makes this especially tricky. You can't even really call them Phoenician, that's what others called them.. what did THEY call THEMSELVES? I've been under the assumption Canaanites, however that is just a geographical description. Would they call themselves after each city they're from? Yet they seemed to all act in coordination, even amongst their various ports.

> It has been conceded by anthropologists and linguists that the alphabet came into the world from the mysteriously endowed race known as the Phoenicians.

Conceded? What did historians hope for instead?

> One of the terms that the Phoenicians used to describe themselves was Bharat, Barata, or Parats. This was the name of one of their earliest kings, the Sumerian Brihat, or Bharat. We surmise that this king, like his seafaring people, were actually named after the land of their ancestors, namely Barata, Brita, or Britain. […] One of the most important Phoenician goddesses was known as Brit Ana meaning "Lady of the Waters."

HOLY FUCK. Ok so that answers my above question. So is this implying then that it all starts, somehow, in Ireland and Ireland founded Sumer?

> Eventually, at the time of the Roman expansion, and after their roving decreased, the Phoenicians co-meddled with races of foreign blood and slowly began to lose their own racial distinctiveness.

So certainly not the little fighting leprechauns we think of today

> Phoenicians were unquestionably identified with Atlantis

Brasil?! The vanishing island?? Didn't that LARP EyeTheSpy also mention that Atlantis is around there? Weird.

> The language of the Phoenicians was not, as most scholars are wont to believe and advocate, a dialect of Egyptian. On the contrary, the Egyptian language was derived from Phoenician.

That's mind blowing if true

> Phoenicia was in reality a small group of gods that ruled a Semitic people. These gods according to inscriptions styled themselves the Royal race.

Bloodlines. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if all the so called gods were just deified people of the forgotten past.

>>1957096

Saturn's on there.

This one picture might explain all of our ancient history. Perhaps the so-called deluge wasn't all at once, it was a slow motion sinking of "an island"….

Couldn't help but notice this… probably just a coincidence!!

>>1958190

And thank you so much for doing so. This actually revives my Viking curiosity which I was struggling to find links for.

I'm hoping we can all agree to keep this thread scientific and just dump evidence and we'll figure out conclusions later.

Very often this data is only ever looked at by a competing sect which benefits from discrediting or twisting history in a certain way. I want to be as objective as possible and put all the possibilities on the table, then we can sort out which ones explain other ones.

>>1957668

Good question! If there's a central cabal pulling the strings of it all, then it makes some things pretty weird. Such as, why would the French King and Pope obliterate the Templars? Well, if they're "in on it", it could be part of the public facade, and would allow the organisation to purposely go "underground". Perhaps that's a bit of the phoenix in action, grow to a certain size then "die out", but not really because now you're reborn and no one suspects you. Interestingly that King/Pope died the very next year. Coincidence? That would seem to me like they weren't part of such a plan. That could be the case too, and the Templars merely allowed it to happen. But that's also kindof an insane scenario because that would mean DeMolay wanted to burn at the stake on purpose (isn't it awesome that Mickey Mouse is based on a guy who burned at the stake for devil worship?)

>>1957366

Man they need to DIG (literally) here. I bet there's some ancient ruins to find

>>1956445

>It would make sense that the same Martian race with the same knowledge would also build pyramids when they came to Earth, and the same can be said of the Anunnaki if, as Zecharia Sitchin speculates and I agree, they had settlements on Mars.

I love how this guy just casually throws in Reptilians in the middle of all this. But anyway, my biggest problem with this exercise getting interplanetary is that how the hell could we lose all that tech?

Yes there's a couple of OOPARTS out there that defy explanation, but just because the Greeks seemed to have had a very large, analog calculator "computer", doesn't mean much. Why were the Babylonians chiselling out millions of cuneiform tablets if they could have utilised papyrus and the Phoenician language if that was already in use? Afterall, these theories are claiming that Phoenician was the first language and Egyptian hieroglyphs actually descends from that language. I don't think that holds water, I don't know if there's really good evidence for that.

Peoplekind has had a pretty steady progression of eureka moments that explains the technology of each age quite nicely.

I suppose we could always claim that the Phoenicians kept their rayguns to themselves, but surely archaeologists would have stumbled upon one by now.

>>1958664

(Pay particular attention to verse 15-20)

Matthew 7

Judging Others

1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

6“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Ask, Seek, Knock

7“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

9“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

The Narrow and Wide Gates

13“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

True and False Prophets

15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

True and False Disciples

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

The Wise and Foolish Builders

24“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

>>1958756

>I have been researching and found some information to be false / fiction.

If you discover anything is absolutely FALSE, let's sort that out. Post the reasoning for why it's false and we can move on past it. We need to collect the facts!

Could you imagine, if we could spread out 100 undeniable facts about this topic, and then make connections?

>IMO scope too wide

It is!! But I feel it's getting narrower.. the Nordic World Order was a good start but after considering a lot of the evidence there's no way we can say it started with them. The Phoenicians = Ireland idea is intriguing but needs more weight. Even still, those wouldn't be Nords.

The common scope we should be looking for is shared symbology and metaphors across these cultures. Tie them down to actual history and events. Build a timeline.

By identifying the bad guys, the good guys will emerge as those who tried to stop them (and were typically punished).

KNOW YOUR ENEMY

>>1959087

Bloodlines. I think this image was originally meant as a joke. But, it might not be.

And in my naivity I would think that ancient history would be an open book. Ancient secrets laid bare, because who cares?

The fact that it's shrouded in deep mystery and convenient omissions makes me think (((someone))) does care.. and why? After all this time, why would anyone care what happened 4000 years ago?

Why indeed! Well, we're going to find out.

>>1959559

Very true. Or comic book heroes.

I posited a theory in the previous bread about how Heliotheism is a scam (aka Monotheism).

When there were many gods there was more diversity of thought. There was a god of Music, and a god of Math, and a god of Agriculture. You could devote yourself to one of these and the other gods would be chill. This also served as a personification of a discipline. By deifying a craft, you could increase devotion to the learning and mastery of it. So it had a practical purpose.

Now some guy comes in and topples all your idols. Fucking asshole. And says all those gods are phonies, and here's the ONE TRUE GOD.

Now anyone who doesn't agree, is a heretic and can be killed in a fire. Does that God care about science? Or just want constant devotion? Look what happened to the Islamic empire.. one minute they're at the cutting edge of scientific discovery, then they say "WHOA WAIT ALLAH DOESN'T WANT THIS! LETS STICK OUR ASSES IN THE AIR INSTEAD!!!"

It's a sad turn of events.

It's pretty clear that this was all Sun-Worship too. Absolutely every monotheistic analogy relates to the fucking sun. Whats fascinating though is that nowhere in the Bible does it say there's literally only one God. In fact, God says he's jealous. So these folks decided that the Sun is the strongest and best God and will take care of every need, and the fools who worship other gods are fit to be taken advantage of because they're dumb.

But some go a step further and say that's not the sun, but SATURN. Video related.

>>1962440

Apparently Egypt didn't have slavery till the new Kingdom.. And no, the Hebrews were never enslaved. These were more just servants for aristocratic elites.

Babylon, on the other hand….

>>1967349

When did Q say that?

>>1969250

Fantastic work!! Did you already know about this stuff or were you inspired by these threads? That tanit logo couldn't be more clear, it's amazing!

That Gloria Vanderbilt art is obviously child sacrifice. There's no other way to see it. One thing I never noticed before is you can close the doors of it and then it just shows a sun and moon. Possibly to hide this profane display?! The sun and moon fall on different spots so I wonder what it would look like closed

Interesting twist on the virgin child idea! Although I think the Virgin Birth concept is more likely. One guess I have is it's referring to angels fucking hot humans and having freak kids..

Anyway, I had a brainwave to investigate the Hebrews. I think this goes way beyond any one race, but obviously they wrote a lot about this evil in their own books so we can't avoid it. So who the fuck are they?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasu

Basically they were highland nomads. Makes sense since YHWH seemed to always talk to them on mountains. The Tribe may have been ethnically distinct from the Canaanites which lends to the idea that the Phoenicians werent semetic in the first place.

Not sure where this piece fits in the puzzle but thought it worth considering.

They were mentioned in Egypt in 14th century BC

That Tanit logo is really fucking with my head… Never did I think these fucking "Phoenicians" would still be using such a logo..

PHOENICIAN OF PLAUTUS:

Byth lym mo thym nociothii nel ech an ti daisc machon

Ys i do iebrim thyfe lyth chy lya chon temlyph ula.

EARLY IRISH-CELTIC:

Beth liom' mo thime nociaithe, niel ach an ti dairie mae coinne

Is i de leabhraim tafach leith, chi lis con teampluibh ulla.

In 1772, General Charles Vallancey, a leading Irish scholar of the day, published his famous work, "Essay On The Antiquity Of The Irish Language, Being A Collation Of The Irish With The Phoenician Punic Language." In his opening remarks he states, "On a collation of the Irish with the Celtic, Punic, and Phoenician languages, the strongest affinity, (nay a perfect Identity in very many Words) will appear; it may therefore be deemed a Punic-Celtic compound."Vallancey continues, "from the Canaanite proceeded the Phoenician, from the Phoenician, Carthaginian, or Punic was derived the Aeolian, Dorian and Etruscan, and from these was formed the Latin… Of the Roman Saxon capital letters, the Irish use but three, all the others bear a very great resemblance to the primitive Canaanite and Phoenician." (p. 2-3) Modern language scholars have confirmed that there is a definite connection between the Celtic and Canaanite Phoenician."

Here's a royal link!

Since it is true that Canaanite Phoenicians migrated to Europe in large numbers in ancient times, there must be religious and cultural ties, and in fact, such connections abound. Dr. Thomas Moore's, History of Ireland(p. 40), relates:

"That most common of all Celtic monuments, the Cromlech… is to be found not only in most parts of Europe, but also in Asia," including eastern Mediterranean. Not less ancient and general, among the Celtic nations, was the circle of upright stones, with either an altar or tall pillar in the centre, and, like its prototype at the temple of Byblos, Phoenicia, Gilgal [ancient Israel], serving sometimes as a temple of worship, sometimes as a place of national council or inauguration… The rough, unhewn stone…used in their circular temples by the Druids. Dr. Beauford, in Druidism Revived, says, "It is remarkable that all the ancient altars found in Ireland, and now distinguished by the name of Cromlechs or sloping stones, were originally called Bothal, or the House of God, and they seem to be of the same species as those mentioned in the Book of Genesis, called by the Canaanites, Bethel, or discovered in Byblos, Phoenicia, which has the same signification as the Irish Bothal." The Bible (Judges 9:6; 2Ki. 11:14; 2 Chon. 23:13) indicates that Phoenician kings were crowned either standing upon or next to a pillar of stone. "The practice of seating the new king upon a stone, at his initiation, was the practice in many of the countries of Europe…. The monarchs of Sweden sat upon a stone placed in the centre of twelve lesser ones, and in a similar kind of circle the Kings of Denmark were crowned." (Moore, ibid., p. 42) Note also the significant Bible number, 'twelve', which was common to both European Celts and the Phoenicians.

The book, Identity of the Religions Druidical and Phoenician, adds, "Circular temples…abound in England and other parts of Europe. The most ancient account of them is to be found in the book of Exodus (24:4), "And Moses… builde an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes.." (p.15) In Europe, Stonehenge, Avebury, and many other early Celtic sites were designed in a circular pattern. There is no record that preserves the order in which the pillars or stelae of the temple of Byblos were organized.

Groves were also features of both Phoenician and Celtic worship. Significant importance was paid by the Celts to the mistletoe and Phoenician Libanesis was/is abundunt in it like no other place in the Near East.

The division of time into a seven-day week was practiced by the Irish Celts, identical to the Phoenicians from whom the Israelites learned the practice and used it after coming to Canaan. In Egypt, the week was made up of ten days and the Israelites had to follow the ten day week following their Egyptian masters. It was referred to as the market days. The Romans had an eight day week.

Since early times, the Israelites sinned against God by adopting many of the pagan practices of their neighbors, and so we find evidence of both Canaanite Phoenician and Canaanite culture among their descendants in Europe. The ancient Baal pillar is one of many such religious monuments which have been found from the Middle East to Ireland.

There are many other examples, however, of customs linking the Celtic Druids specifically with Phoenicia. English historian, William Borlase, in his "Antiquities Of Cornwall," (1754) presented many pages of such evidence: Druids worshipped but one God and allowed no graven images, identical to the Phoenicians, and in contradistinction with almost all other ancient religions. Consecration was by sprinkling with blood, as in Canaanite worship. Druid priests were clothed in white, similar to the Canaanite priest's white ephod'sacrificial victims were bled to death, and the blood was collected in basins which served to sprinkle the altars; bulls were sacrificed, and the image of a bull (the heraldic sign of one Canaanite tribe) was carried into war. "While they performed their horrid rites of human sacrifice, the drums and trumpets sounded without intermission, that the cries of the miserable victims might not be heard." (Compare Jer. 7:31-32; the Canaanite/Phoenician place of human sacrifice was called Tophet, meaning 'the drum' – read more about the controvertial subject of child sacrifice in this site). They prayed with uplifted hands, examined entrails for necromancy, and held the oak in veneration. Further, the standoff between Elijah and the Priests of Baal is another example of the similarity between the Celts and Phoenician priests of Baal. The Druids used the magic wand in imitation of Moses' rod, poured libations, sacrificed upon the tops of rocks, investigated truth by lots, anointed rock pillars with oil, and marked out boundaries with stones. (pp. 104-132, 161) In these and so many other distinctive ways, the religious customs of the Celts and Canaanite Phoenicians bear an unmistakable resemblance!

So I'm thinking it makes most sense that Ireland was just a Phoenician colony. They didn't COME from there.

However! This link is still very important because it seems likely that the DRUIDS were practicing the Phoenician religion (and perhaps were all originally Phoenicians to begin with)

Druids are incorporated into Freemasonry. I can't find the link anymore, but I'm sure I read recently that the Scottish lodge has druid as one of its degrees

Holy fuck! The Phoenicians even had a hand at formulating the Bibles current form!!

Many ignorant historians claim that Phoenicia ceased to exist in 64 B.C. That "happened" when it became part of the Roman world. But, in 425 A.D. official Roman records show the division of Phoenicia Prima into two provinces: Phoenicia Maritima and Phoenicia Libanensis. In the early Byzantine times, the Count of Phoenicia governed Phoenicia. In 380 A.D., Saint Jerome wrote: 'Damnatur Origenes a Demetrio episeopo exceptis Palaestinae…et Phoenicis atque Achaiae sacerdotibus' since 231 A.D. This means that he considered Phoenicia as a separate entity.

At the council of Nicaea in 325 A.D., eleven bishops were present from Phoenicia. They were the bishops of Tyre, Damascus, Sidon, Tripolis, Paneas, Berytus, Palmyra, Ptolemais, Alasus, Emesa, and Antaradus. Saint Augustine (400 AD) witnesses to the same account of Saint Jerome. The Church Councils of Tyre (449 & 515 AD), do the same, as well. And last but not least, the Fall of Phoenicia to the Arabs (640 AD), testify to the continued existence of Phoenicia, in the seventh century. Finally, Church tradition of naming the major bishops of Phoenicia, honorary, living title of 'Metropolitan Archbishop of Phoenicia Maritima.' Lebanese bishops continue to carry this title today (see page with translation – MP3 Byzantine psaltica chants: Bishop of Beirut & Bishop of Tripoli) are a few of many solid proofs that Phoenicia and its people live on despite the misinformation.

>>1976060

I have this theory that the spiral is actually a Phoenician symbol and doesn't NECESSARILY mean boy lover.

Guess who was a Freemason?

Jean-Henri Dunant

May 8, 1828-October 30, 1910

Founder of the Red Cross, a founder of the Young Men’s Christian Association, and co-winner of the first Nobel Prize for Peace in 1901, he also worked to bring about the 1864 Geneva Convention.

In Un Souvenir de Solférino (1862) he proposed the formation in all countries of voluntary relief societies for the prevention and alleviation of suffering in war and peacetime, without distinction of race or creed.

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I stumbled upon this while digging into Frédéric Passy, founder of Inter Parliamentary Union. He shared the first Nobel Peace Prize with him. I'm sure that's just a coincidence!!

>>2001832

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.ancientpages.com/2016/03/11/secrets-of-the-spiral-symbol-left-by-ancient-civilizations/amp/

A Hohokam petroglyph can be found in the Saguaro National Monument, AZ. and it is believed that the carved spiral represents the water symbol.

What’s the true connection between this carving and the Hokoham culture which occupied the region of present-day Tucson and Phoenix, AZ.?

The spiral, a magical symbol, was once carved on the rocks of Sahara, in the times when this region of the world was an immense green garden and it was very long time ago and the breast of Astarte, the ancient Phoenician great goddess of fertility, motherhood, and war (the counterpart of the Babylonian goddess Ishtar) is depicted with spirals.

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The FBI is either wrong or not quite right.

I really think that it doesn't mean boy lover exclusively. It's cart before the horse. I think the spiral signals Phoenicians Welcome here, who tend to practice in child trafficking but do much much more than that.

Freemasons isn't the key. They're the psychological army of the cabal. They're the clean up crew for local messes, just like the red cross for international messes. Whenever the cabal does a serious operation they'll be there to make sure the narrative goes on plot.

So Freemasonry is important to fully dig into. But also other cults. Who controls the Freemasons?

Don't believe me? Here's Y Head, Astarte

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/covenofthecatta.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/worship-goddess-astarte-coven-catta/amp/?source=images

I have no fucking clue what this guy is saying. Some coven that worships Astarte. Maybe might activate some almonds in some other brain

Many North American Indian cultures associate counterclockwise spirals (starting from the center) with the concept of rising, and the clockwise spiral with the concept of descending

Scientists estimate that the patterns, at least 20000 years old, are probably associated with solar symbols. But it can be also a pure guess, nothing more.

Maori spirals

“It was the era of the serpent!” we hear in the songs of the natives of mysterious ancient Arnhem Land in Northern Australia. …

“The serpent which was man, the serpent which flies in the skies…”

It’s about the Creation myth, the story of human race, never forgotten by the aborigines but also never recorded by them. It’s about the origin of the symbol of the spiral because in the beginning was the egg, the so-called cosmogonic egg mentioned in the religions and beliefs of many cultures worldwide.

This is required reading!

"Nimrod" created "freemasonry" to worship Astarte in secret.

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New initiates of Freemasonry are told to search for the, "lost Word" which is apparently the real name of God. In the third degree initiation they are given a clue and told to look, "to that bright and Morning Star". Now the Morning Star is Venus who was a Roman Goddess. Though the Morning Star was also once called Lucifer, the god of light which people who claim that Freemasons are Devil worshippers, latch onto. Yet long before the creation of Lucifer it was the Babylonian Goddess Astarte who was the Morning Star. Further back in time she was known as the "Queen of the Star" and the Ancient Great Mother. (Jesus was also called the Morning Star in Revelations in the New Testament.)

http://www.womanthouartgod.com/wmbondfreemasonry.php

>>2003418

Of course the Freemasons weren't called that back then. What we're trying to trace back here is the roots to the original seed. Freemasonry is merely one of it's more recent roots.

We're looking at the symbology, mythology, language, and actual history of groups that emerged from Sumeria and ancient Babylon in particular. That's where most of this nonsense started.

As for Olmecs/Toltecs? That's a mystery isn't it? But it's an interesting allegation that the Phoenicians may have visited America very early in the BC's, and either lived amongst those tribe, WERE those tribes, or inspired certain religious ritual in those tribes.

Just a total coincidence that there's such carvings in Phoenix AZ.

>The history of the city of Phoenix begins with Jack Swilling, a Confederate veteran of the Civil War. In 1867, while traveling through the Salt River Valley, he saw a potential for farming, much like the military had already cultivated further east, near Fort McDowell. He formed a small community that same year about four miles (six km) east of the present city. Lord Darrell Duppa, one of the original settlers in Swilling's party, suggested the name "Phoenix", as it described a city born from the ruins of a former civilization.[18]

Indeed, but perhaps that former civilisation has more to do with the Phoenicians than the Hohokam?

Gee, I wonder if this Duppa guy is a freemason…

>Duppa first came to Arizona via Prescott in 1863 where he was looking after family prospecting interests. Shortly thereafter he met Jack Swilling and the two became lifelong friends. The union seemed natural a Jack was a fellow prospector and businessman. Together these two frontiersmen were among the first residents of Phoenix AZ, and in fact, it was Lord Duppa who is responsible for the naming of our fair city. Whereas the history books have recorded that he simply proposed the name “Phoenix” in honor of the Hohokam civilization upon which our city was built, I believe there is much more to the story as Duppa was a well know, open high-level Freemason. He was known to carry a well-worn library with him everywhere he went including works by Ovid, Juvenal, and Homer in the original.

DING DING DING

>It is my thought that he came to Phoenix for an altogether different reason. A reason that runs deeper than simply pioneering a new town in a U.S. Territory. That he was involved in mining and prospecting is no secret. That he was a high ranking Freemason is no secret. That he was extremely well educated and came from modest nobility is also no secret. One can assume safely that his father and brothers were most likely Masons too. We know he traveled to Australia to oversee family business (mining and cattle) but then on California and finally Arizona. That a well educated, high ranking Freemason from a prominent English family wound up in an untapped frontier territory to found what would become one of the most influential cities in the United States today is not a coincidence.

http://thephoenixenigma.com/lord-darrell-duppa/

This guy doesn't go much deeper into why he thinks he named it Phoenix. But read this thread and you'll understand that the Phoenix is very important to them.

Much better article on the City of Phoenix. Nice flag bro.

Not sure where this fits into the puzzle but it seems that Phoenix itself is a Freemason stronghold

http://www.theorionzone.com/phoenix.htm

Perhaps it is no accident that most of the first citizens of Phoenix, including Duppa, were Freemasons.

John T. Alsap, for instance, was an attorney, judge, first territorial treasurer and first mayor of Phoenix. He also served as the first worshipful master of Arizona Lodge No. 2 as well as the first grand master of the Masonic Grand Lodge of Arizona. Even earlier, he had been first master of Arizona's first Masonic Lodge called Aztlan, located in Prescott, the first territorial capital. (A lot of "firsts" here.)

Aztlan is a Nahuatl word meaning "place of the heron." The Aztecs inhabited this mythical land after emerging from the Seven Caves located in the bowels of the earth. The heron is thought to be the naturalistic model for both the phoenix and the Bennu bird. In the Egyptian sun cult the Bennu was found perched atop an obelisk or sometimes upon a pyramid-shaped stone of meteoric iron called a Benben.

As a primo symbol of morning and new life, the Egyptian heron passes with flying colors (no pun intended). Likewise, the Bennu embodies the morning star Venus, appearing each dawn on the laurel tree in Heliopolis. This ornithological curiosity is also the incarnation of the heart (or ab) of Osiris and the soul (or ba) of Ra, two primary deities related by a simple palindrome. In addition, the heron and the Bennu were among a small number of animals, including the hawk and the serpent, in which a discarnate soul could inhabit for as long as it wished.

The hieroglyph for bennu means both "purple heron" (Ardea purpurea) and "palm tree." One denotation for the word "phoenix" is "purple-red"; consequently, the Phoenicians were known as "red men." Even today residents of Phoenix, Arizona are known as Phoenicians. The flag of the city is a stylized white phoenix on a purple background.

In a tome called Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 33rd-degree Mason Albert Pike states that the phoenix was a quintessential alchemical icon. In this regard J.E. Cirlot's Dictionary of Symbols remarks: "In alchemy, [the phoenix] corresponds to the colour red, to the regeneration of universal life and to the successful completion of a process." Some Arizona prospectors may indeed have been seeking spiritual gold.

Is it more than mere coincidence, then, that the phoenix, whose center of worship was the Pre-Dynastic City of the Sun, should lend its name to what would become the largest city in the Valley of the Sun? Is the name something more than the whim of some erudite inebriate misplaced in the hinterlands of America?

Aztlan is furthermore conceptualized as an island, and some speculate that the name even refers to the legendary continent of Atlantis. According to comparative linguistics scholar Gene D. Matlock in The Last Atlantis Book, the Aztlán of Nahuatl mythology was really called Aztatlán, referring to the village of Nayarit on Mexico's western coast. The Sanskrit word Asta apparently means "Place of the Setting Sun." Matlock suggests that this could actually be the westernmost boundary of what was once Atlantis.

Did Lord Duppa and Judge Alsap consciously try to merge Egyptian and Mesoamerican mythologies in the wilds of Arizona? Alsap's Bachelor of Law and Doctor of Medicine degrees prove that he was no dummy himself. Was the establishment of Aztlan (Masonic Lodge No.1) and Phoenix (Masonic Lodge No. 2) an attempt to symbolically merge Prescott (the heron) and Phoenix (the Bennu) in the same way they would soon actually be linked by stagecoach? Was it a clandestine Masonic intent that a new Atlantis (Aztlan) should rise in Arizona and a new Heliopolis (Phoenix) should be its heart?

Anyone got anything on these groups?

Odd Fellows

Knights of Pythias

Ancient Order of United Workmen

Grand Army of the Republic

Chosen Friends

Good Templars.

And here we have APACHE, and Skull and Bones, and our friends the Bush family!

Something about Phoenix stinks.

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An even more insidious instance of power and wealth was Prescott Sheldon Bush (1895-1972). He was father of the forty-first U.S. president George Herbert Walker Bush and grandfather of the forty-third president George W. Bush. All three had been members of the notorious Skull and Bones Society, an elite, quasi-Masonic fraternity at Yale University.

Possibly the eldest Bush was named after his distant relative William Hickling Prescott, the historian noted above. In 1918 Bush allegedly purloined the skull of the famous Arizona Apache warrior Geronimo from its resting place at Fort Sill, Oklahoma and took it back to the secret society's meeting hall to be displayed in a glass case. The motive for this savage act is unclear, but it may have involved retribution for the 1869 killing of settler James G. Sheldon from Maine by Apaches at Camp Willow Grove west of Prescott. Sheldon, after whom a major street in Prescott was named, is perhaps a relative of Prescott Sheldon Bush, or he may merely be a namesake whom Bush was trying to avenge.

Bush was later elected as a U.S. senator from Connecticut. His son and grandson, of course, each became president. The Bush vacation home is located in Kennebunkport, Maine. Geronimo's skull has never been recovered.

And Phoenix remains an enigmatic talisman whose Masonic roots reach deep into the desert of the American Southwest.

Could it be? Could it really be?

G = Goddess

Rumor has it these men have a secret. You only learn it when you're really high up the ranks. At the very end of your journey you're taught that God = Lucifer. But that's misinformation. It's not wrong, but it's fake news. They worship the morning star, commonly mistaken for Lucifer. What planet represents the morning star?

ASTARTE

The big secret? What does the G mean? God? Or, perhaps Goddess?

Kinda makes you think about "Feminism" a whole lot different if you consider that it's being pushed by a cult that worships a child sacrificing demoness.

This guy completely explodes with esoteric autism. I feel like he's figured it out but I need to review it 15x to just grab pieces of what he's saying. Good shit.

>>2011433

Connecting the dots!!!

In the old thread, we've dug a bit on Enlil..Some think of him as the bad guy and Enki was the scientist god that created humanity. Thing is, upon reflection, that sounds an awful lot like the Demiurge of gnostic tradition.

Anyway. Interesting that Ishtar doesn't want a god that is intolerant to evil at her table.

Found this in the general thread, might be handy

>>2011643

Correct, Astarte is the Phoenician version. I tend to zero in on Phoenicia because it seems to be the place where the cult seemed to accelerate and expand.

This guy is ON POINT (he looks funny though)

>>2011643

Correct, Astarte is the Phoenician version. I tend to zero in on Phoenicia because it seems to be the place where the cult seemed to accelerate and expand.

This guy is ON POINT (he looks funny though)

>>2011643

Oops, 8ch lagged and double posted.

As for going back further, I'm going to finally explore the East.

This same guy, Lifting the Veil has a FASINATING series on tracing it all back to India.

I think it's impossible to argue against it..

So.. India to Sumer to Egypt? Hmmmm

This fits in with Q's clues about the NWO and the Nazi's who obsessively loved the Hindu swastika

If everyone in this picture is a Freemason, kinda makes you see WW2 differently…

I find the flag at 5:25 interesting…

>>2016125

>Upon visiting and entering the library students must descend down a flight of stairs, it is surrounded by unfinished pyramids, the two pillars (Boaz/Jachin), the three doorways, two abstract conceptualizations of sphinxes guarding the entrance, there is also what asu refers to as a "lantern but resembles a Temple of the classical age and it is lit up during night as a representation of becoming enlightened.

It'd be interested in seeing that too!

This guy is OBVIOUSLY a hardcore Christian, but he does get into a wavelength if you can suffer through the first few minutes.

>>2018402

My hero! Excellent summary, this will help anons get into the mix. If you're up for the challenge, the previous thread had 700 posts. Hard thing is that 8ch will likely delete many of those posts soon because these threads simply move slower than the general which bumps posts out… Hmm! Hence why I archived last thread, just in case.

ANYWAY! I HAD A BRAINWAVE

As this is a focused thread, I thought of a scientific way we could propose new information.

1. State your hypothesis, say, "Hypothesis: Nimrod lived 500 years, for real". Don't write ANYTHING but your idea in the H post.

2. Reply with a chunk of evidence with either SUPPORTING or NEGATING at the top. You can drop several exhibits, but try to keep each within a post to be similar within that post. Exhibits can be STRONG such as archeological images or DNA research to SPECULATIVE which would be someone's blog post or a biased person's book.

3. After an H post and several E posts, anons can then rt all relevant E's and summarize with their own Theory that connects the fonts with a conclusion. Ideally a T post will strongly try to prove a hypothesis (becomes fact) or discredit it (becomes fiction).

Of course, people can then debate the T post if they're inclined.

This way instead of just throwing mud on the wall, we can systematically identify facts worth digging more on and move past the more fringe red herrings.

What say you beautiful Anons?!

>>2024198

*connect the dots

I'll try one out. Of course, regular posts are still fine for random drops. This just serves as a way to collectively dig on an idea.

H: The Phoenicians helped shape the Christian Bible as we know it.

>>2024374

SUPPORTING, STRONG

Eleven bishops, but no chor-episcopi, were present at the council of Nicea from Phoenicia; namely, the bishops of Tyre, Ptolemais, Damascus, Sidon, Tripolis, Paneas, Berytus, Palmyra, Alasus2, Emesa, and Antaradus.3

https://phoenicia.org/church-of-phoenicia.html

>>2024374

NEGATING, STRONG

Over 300 bishops took part, and there was more than one council.

SPECULATIVE

11 out of 315 doesn't sound very influential.

SUGGESTION

Claim would be stronger if "alliances" with these bishops could be revealed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

>>2024374

NEGATING, STRONG

Phoenicia didn't exist anymore. Persia conquered them in 539 BC and then many other nations before the first council.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia

SUGGESTION

To strengthen claim we would need to show the Phoenician people remained consistent even after subsequent invasions…

SUGGESTION

Perhaps it can be shown a migration pattern that brings the Phoenician "cabal" surviving, such as Carthage to Iberia etc

>>2025801

>You should probably find a map of Cush and start switching around Rs and Ls and see what happens.

What? Why? Where you going with this idea?

>>2027441

>>2027399

Atlantis…

This is super interesting. All religions seem to have a theme that "they" will come back. I wouldn't be surprised if we ultimately conclude that this is why (((they))) want the NWO so that if they recreate Atlantis's world wide empire, they will come back to rule again.

This video is pretty funny. It seems to say that this all started because the Atlantis traders and missionaries said to the primitive people that they'll return, but then Atlantis exploded, and no one ever came back.. so we just made up myths and are still waiting.

Battle of the Titans an echo of the wars of Atlantis… I've always thought the myths of the gods are way too detailed with ridiculous shit to be just made up

Hypothesis:

The Eden story is a long lost echo from prehistory of when Modern Humans emerged. Most myths seem to indicate that we were a hybrid of the gods and animals on the earth. Animals already existed in abundance, which is why "Adam" had to name them all. Whether these same gods also made all the animals is another question, but the hypothesis is that Homo Sapiens were a tweaked version of either Neanderthal, or Cro-Magnon, or both, or something else entirely.

Significance if true:

We are not of this world, and this secret would almost certainly still be known and held by the elite mystery cults. No doubt we would want to figure out who our "parents" are, and reclaim our destiny in the stars.

Significance if false:

If we are wholey a product of natural evolution, then Religion itself is mostly fiction. The myths and fables would be just echos of mankind's adventures through the wilderness. Even if false, that doesn't mean people won't believe it's true and thus it could still motivate the elite mystery cults.

>>2028569

Supporting

Strong

https://phys.org/news/2014-11-ancient-dna-europeans.html

Out of Africa

All modern humans (Russians and Australians included) are derived from an initial migration out of Africa. From the fossil record this seems to have occurred sometime around 100,000 years ago in the Near East, at Skhul and Qafzeh.

This initial Homo sapiens range expansion from Africa was initially thought to have been short-lived, with Homo neanderthalensis returning to South West Asia some 60,000 years ago.

Speculation

Eden would be 100,000 years ago. That's a long fucking time. What the hell have humans been doing for all that time? Look how much we've done in 300 years. Our collective memory seems to go back to the last Ice Age, and before we seem to have amnesia.

Regardless, 100k years is also "not that long" either, in the grand time scale that's a wink. So modern humans are a very recent animal on the scene.

Supporting

Strong

We now know that humans and Neanderthals mixed early in human history, sometime before 45,000 years ago.

Speculation

For 65k years, Sapiens fucked only Sapiens, but all the sudden, 45k years ago, we found some Neanderthal cuties and made some freaky babies.

>>2028569

Supporting

Strong

http://www.rhesusnegative.net/staynegative/topics/where-is-rh-negative-blood-most-frequent/

WHERE IS RH NEGATIVE BLOOD MOST FREQUENT?

The highest percentage is found among some of the tribes still living in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco (40%). The next highest are the Basques, reported in different publications as having 25 and 32%, depending on location. The people of northwest Ireland, the Highland Scots and the western islanders of Norway all have between 16 and 25%, while the Lapps of Norway and Finland have between 5 and 7%. In addition, Cavalli-Sforza reports two small isolated populations of the same tribe, one in Chad and another in Senegal, each with about 25%. On his map, he shows an Rh-negative population in Chad, still living near the formerly enormous Chad lake. Only part of this lake still exists on the spot where the boundaries of Chad, Niger, Nigeria and Cameroon meet. These people may originally have been the sailors on Chad lake. Could it be that this is the original location of the Rh-negative population that then moved to Morocco and Algiers to become the Berbers? Or would it be the other way around?

Speculative

Could RH- really be the biggest clue and the reason why the elite obsess over bloodlines? This evidence would be supported by proof that the elite generally have this bloodtype as well.

I couldn't help but notice the "ATLAS Mountains" above. ATL………………………. Atlantis?

>>2028569

Supporting

Strong

https://file.scirp.org/Html/19566.html

Re-Examining the "Out of Africa" Theory and the Origin of Europeoids (Caucasoids) in Light of DNA Genealogy

(see image)

Speculation

This whole document is a trove of information. Would be great if other anons could pour through it. This is very recent research tracing back humanity based on DNA. Not sure what it means yet. Modern humans still emerged about 100k years ago, but there was a significant split 60k years ago, and this seems to be the origin of the Caucasians, or as they put it "Europeoids"

I'll admit I haven't read the whole paper yet, so perhaps they expand on this detail moreso but this graph really stood out to me. Could there have been more genetic manipulation then?

Wild Speculation

The gods tweaked us 100k years ago, left us to our own devices to let us acclimate to the new environment. Returned 40k years later to adjust our DNA further. Literally no evidence for this yet, just putting it out there.

>>2028569

(repost with picture!)

Supporting

Strong

https://file.scirp.org/Html/19566.html

Re-Examining the "Out of Africa" Theory and the Origin of Europeoids (Caucasoids) in Light of DNA Genealogy

(see image)

Speculation

This whole document is a trove of information. Would be great if other anons could pour through it. This is very recent research tracing back humanity based on DNA. Not sure what it means yet. Modern humans still emerged about 100k years ago, but there was a significant split 60k years ago, and this seems to be the origin of the Caucasians, or as they put it "Europeoids"

I'll admit I haven't read the whole paper yet, so perhaps they expand on this detail moreso but this graph really stood out to me. Could there have been more genetic manipulation then?

Wild Speculation

The gods tweaked us 100k years ago, left us to our own devices to let us acclimate to the new environment. Returned 40k years later to adjust our DNA further. Literally no evidence for this yet, just putting it out there.

>>2029522

Ah I getcha… Wasn't there some super expensive book that promotes this theory?

Does anyone have any thoughts on the true origin of Rome? That Romulus/Remes story is so weird and stupid.

I'm curious about them because they ended up being the main rivals of the Carthaginians after Persia wiped out Phoenicia.

I can't believe that these super rich, super smart people (The Carthaginians/Phoenicians/Canaanites) just disappeared. I think some must have actually integrated into Rome, and possibly in very high positions. Possibly even the highest positions. This somehow sets the stage for Europe

>>2028569

Supporting

Strong

https://www.quora.com/When-and-why-did-we-evolve-RH-negative-blood

When and why did we evolve RH negative blood?

2 Answers

Pippi M. R. Groving

Pippi M. R. Groving, I teach biomedical courses at BA level

Answered Sep 13, 2016 · Author has 8.2k answers and 9m answer views

As the RhD variations positive and negative are spread to all popularions outside Africa, the variation probably evolved 100.000 years ago.

It is theorised that when the Homo sapiens left Africa those 100.000 years ago, it was a rather small* group and that group had about a thousand years of interbreeding before wandering on to the rest of the world. And that is why the AB0 and Rhesus blood configuration are in all populations that are not native to Africa.

As for why it happened… who knows?

It is most likely just a random mutation. The Rhesus gene and resulting protein works the same way no matter whether you are positive or negative. The main difference is how the immune system reacts to the protein.

*small group as in less than 10.000 people.

Speculation

Not sure what this guy's sources are. But it's an interesting thought. Instead of RH- being a direct "transfusion" from the gods, lets say it did evolve naturally. But, it evolved because early Sapiens were fucking their brothers and sisters too much. The reason this is weird, is because you'd think all "new" species would have this exact same problem, therefore RH- would be common.

Saw this on the general

>>2038463

Jesus christ. That's a helufa dump there, will take me a bit to look through it.

As for comparative mythology, yes there will definitely be some merit there. I've included a good example of this.

I can't decide if it makes sense to think of gods as echos of former heroes in our long forgotten past, or as mere personifications of nature. Or both?? I think personifications make the most sense. The interesting thing is that we can trace the same culture going through time via this comparison.

The weirdest thing is that it seems that the Pantheon has been consistent throughout all cultures and all ages. Even Catholicism has preserved the Pantheon but turned the gods into saints instead. Why is this Pantheon so important to the elite? Can we just not think of better ideas so we just keep recycling them over and over again? Or are they actually VERY important?

>>2038496

THOTH!!!

Thoth was the God of Knowledge, the Moon, Measurement, Wisdom, the Alphabet, Records, Thought, Intelligence, Meditation, the Mind, Logic, Reason, Reading, Hieroglyphics, Magic, Secrets, Scribes, and Writing. He also went by other names in the myths of ancient civilizations. He pretty much play a major God they all of them - same soul - different identities.

Thoth or Djehuti was one of the deities of the Egyptian pantheon. In art, he was often depicted as a man with the head of an ibis or a baboon, animals sacred to him. His feminine counterpart was Seshat, and his wife was Ma'at.

Thoth's chief temple was located in the city of Khmun, later called Hermopolis Magna during the Greco-Roman era (in reference to him through the Greeks' interpretation that he was the same as their god Hermes) and Shmounein in the Coptic rendering, and was partially destroyed in 1826. In that city, he led the Ogdoad pantheon of eight principal deities. He also had numerous shrines within the cities of Abydos, Hesert, Urit, Per-Ab, Rekhui, Ta-ur, Sep, Hat, Pselket, Talmsis, Antcha-Mutet, Bah, Amen-heri-ab, and Ta-kens.

Thoth played many vital and prominent roles in Egyptian mythology, such as maintaining the universe, and being one of the two deities (the other being Ma'at) who stood on either side of Ra's boat. In the later history of ancient Egypt, Thoth became heavily associated with the arbitration of godly disputes, the arts of magic, the system of writing, the development of science, and the judgment of the dead.

http://www.crystalinks.com/thoth.html

>>2055809

Only thing I can't reconcile with the Ancient Technology idea is how on earth did we go from flying machines to not knowing how to make a car for millennia?

>>2038463

I seriously had a weird dream last night. I was at Lake Titicaca and there was some sort of castle on an island. I don't remember much else. The weird thing is that absolutely none of my diggest has ever mentioned this place, and until now I only thought of it as a nice tourist trap. Turns out it's literally the claimed origin of the Inca civilization with tons of mythology surrounding it.

Look at the symbolism on Manco Capac! Of course, this was painted by a westerner who may have overlapped some of our stuff on to him.. but.. wow.. The Bull/Horns, the swirl…

The Myths of Inti and Manco Capac on the Isla Del Sol

There are a number of islands on Lake Titicaca, some of which play an important part in Inca mythology. The Isla del Sol (Sun Island), for instance, is believed to be the home of the Incan sun god, Inti. Additionally, this is the birth place, according to one Incan legend, of Manco Capac, the founder of the first Incan dynasty. In this legend, Manco Capac was brought up from the depths of Lake Titicaca by Inti. Manco Capac and his siblings were sent up to the earth by the sun god, and emerged from the cave of Pacaritambo (or the waters of Lake Titicaca, according to another version of the legend). Manco Capac was carrying a golden staff, and was instructed to build a Temple of the Sun on the spot where the staff sank into the earth. Using underground caves, the siblings travelled to Cusco, where they built a temple in honor of their father, Inti.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-ancient-places-americas/ancient-ruins-and-beneath-sacred-lake-titicaca-004012

>>2057380

I just had a silly thought. Let's for a second pretend all the mythology is 'literally' true. Mythology around the world seems to be identical for all intents and purposes. And one common theme is the notion of the Storm God fighting the Sea God.

So, now, what side is Q on?

Zeus vs Typhoon

Calm before [the STORM] = Zeus

The Phoenicians were the "Sea People" = Typhoon

Are we about to witness a new battle of the gods?

(I'm not saying I actually believe this, just throwing it out there)

I think I just got a new lead on the Carthaginians (aka Phoenicians aka Canaanites)

They didn't really have their own army!

They were merchants through and through. Anyone could hold a place in government, as long as you had the wealth to be worthy of it. Lose your money? Lose your power. They were very money centrist. So much so, that they eventually did something rather radical on such a large scale. Instead of having their own citizens die in war, they're rich.. so they got others to die for them!

THEIR ARMY WAS HUGELY MERCENARY!!

And they had an edge in this game because of their trade routes they were able to scout the best fighters from the known world to fight for them.

Why is this important? Well, I feel like this is where the "Banksters" came from. Think about it, think all the way forward to the big wars such as Napolean and the World Wars. The Banksters played both sides right? Well, another way of looking at is they 'owned' both sides. They were secretly mercenaries to the cabal.

After their final defeat to the Romans do you think these uber rich folks just retired? No. They learned some tricks along the way. They probably realised running a nation is a lot of bother, instead they could focus on power alone and answer to no nation and never fear being conquered since they'd instead spread out and be everywhere.

Thoughts?!?

From Wikipedia:

Growth of Mercenary Forces

After the Punic defeats during the Sicilian Wars of the 5th and 4th centuries BC, in which large numbers of Carthaginian citizens had been killed, the Carthaginian Senate set about enlisting mercenary forces in order to replenish the ranks of the Carthaginian army, an extraordinary technique that Carthage had employed since the late 6th century BC. Beginning with the reign of King Hanno the Navigator in 480 BC, Carthage regularly began employing Iberian infantry and Balearic slingers to support Carthaginian spearmen in Sicily, a practice that would continue until the destruction of Carthage in 146 BC.

Punic recruiters toured all corners of the Mediterranean, attracting mercenaries and fugitive slaves. Gauls, Ligurians, Numidians, Libyans, Greeks, and especially Iberians. were extensively recruited by Carthage. Troops were recruited both by simple monetary contracts and through partnerships established through treaties with other states and tribes.

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Oh, their rulers were called "Suffets" which basically translates to "Judges". What other culture didn't have kings but preferred to call their rulers Judges? Interesting….

>>2063125

I usally find the military side of things a bit boring. Just one battle after another. But I find it no coincidence that the Phoenicians hold the record, TO THIS DAY, for the bloodiest battle in history!!

Relevant to the idea of Blood Libel or sacrifice.

Read this:

Much has been said about the Battle of Cannae – an encounter which had resulted in the highest loss of human life in a single day in any battle recorded in history. In terms of sheer numbers, the bloody day probably accounted for over 40,000 Roman deaths (the figure is put at 55,000 by Livy; and 70,000 by Polybius), which equated to about 80 percent of the Roman army fielded in the battle! To put things into perspective, the worst day in the history of the British Army usually pertains to the first day of the Battle of the Somme in 1916, where they lost around 20,000 men. But the male population of Rome in 216 BC is estimated to be around 400,000 (thus the Battle of Cannae possibly took away around 1/10th – 1/20th of Roman male population, considering there were also allied Italic casualties), while Britain had a population of around 41,608,791 (41 million) at the beginning of 1901, with half of them expected to be males. However objectively beyond just baleful numbers, the encounter in itself was a set-piece triumph for Hannibal, with the general’s strategy even dictating the very choice of the battlefield itself.

Cannae and its ruined citadel had long been used as a food magazine by the Romans with provisions for grain oil and other crucial items. Hannibal Barca knew about this supply scope, and willfully made his army march towards Cannae (in June, 216 BC) for over 120 km from their original winter quarters at Gerunium. Interestingly, the camp of the Carthaginian army was just set above verdant agricultural fields with ripening crops – which could provide easy foraging to the snugly quartered troops. In other words, the chosen location and its advantages surely drummed up the morale of these soldiers, while strengthening their resolve and dedication for their commander. However at the same time, there was a more cunning side to Hannibal’s choice of Cannae – (possibly) unbeknownst to his army. That is because Rome was still dependent on the grain grown in native Italy (while seeking alternative corn supplies from Sicily), especially from the region of Apulia where Cannae was located. Simply put, the choice of Cannae was an intentional ploy to provoke the Romans to give direct battle – as opposed to the Fabian strategy of delaying. This once again alludes to Hannibal’s confidence and craftiness when it came to military affairs and logistics.

>>2063400

Strange. Hannibal probably could have swept through Rome but instead his army fell apart not so long after winning this epic battle. He went on to be a (really successful) Statesman in Carthage and literally Made Carthage Great Again. He brought the wealth back and was even to raise the war debt owed to Rome (expected to take 40 years) and offer them as a single lump sum (which was refused!!!).

Anyway, this pretty much marks the slow decline of Carthage from this point on. Could it be that Hannibal, the god damn military GENIUS that he was, thought of a better more ambitious plan for his people? Retool and spread out to the world. Blend into the world, and climb the ranks of power everywhere at once, and you will conquer the world without an army. Just spitballin' here.

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Interestingly enough, it was the Battle of Cannae that was ultimately responsible for Hannibal’s unceremonious call back to Carthage (in 203 BC) after 15 years of remaining undefeated on Italian soil. In the post years of the Cannae incident, the Roman leadership came to a realization that they couldn’t counter Hannibal’s genius in conventional warfare. As a result, they reverted to the defensive Fabian strategy (named after Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus) which basically entailed a guerrilla-warfare type scenario with internal lines of communications. In other words, the Romans rigorously avoided open-field battles, while resorting to hit-and-run and harassing tactics that afflicted the stretched Carthaginian lines and patrols who were regularly dispatched for foraging.

This predicament was further exacerbated when Hannibal Barca had to provide garrisons for the newly defected cities in south of Italy. This took away much of his precious manpower that had already deteriorated due to previous battles, skirmishes and attrition. Moreover, much of Hannibal’s army was composed of mercenaries of different nationalities – and they were neither suited to siege warfare or garrison duty, and thus many of them started to desert en masse. So slowly but surely, the once grand expeditionary force that made its way to Italy via the Alps, was now only a shadow of itself. By 203 BC, even chances of arriving reinforcements from Carthage or Iberia went slim, with both of his brothers being soundly defeated. And ultimately, Hannibal himself had to answer the desperate call from his own Barcid war party, which was one of the two major political factions of Carthage. So the general and some of his trusted mercenaries finally decided to set sail for Africa. And thus ended the epoch of Hannibal Barca in Italy – paradoxically brought on by his incredible victory at the Battle of Cannae.

So there's this little village in NY called Carthage.

Ironic, isn't it? It was almost completely burned to the ground, but rose from the ashes. Twice. Once in 1861 and again in 1884.

Of course, there's a Freemasonry lodge there. Started up in 1850, and were most happy to help out lighting the fire– I mean, rebuilding after the fire

http://www.omdhs.syracusemasons.com/sites/default/files/history/Lodge_Histories_-_1908_Proceedings.pdf

CARTHAGE LODGE, NO. 158, CARTHAGE, N. Y.

WARRANT: The warrant in possession of the Lodge is dated June 7, 1850.

The name or number has never been changed.

MINUTES: Intact.

The Lodge was organized in the early part of the year 1850. The charter members were:

Eli West. Joseph Crowner.

Kellogg E. Parker. William F. Strong.

William A. Peck. Reuben Rice.

Suel Gilbert.

The Lodge was constituted June 24, 1850, in the Baptist Church at Carthage, by R.'. W.'. ALONSON SKINNER, and the following

officers were installed:

ELI WEST, Master.

JOSEPH CROWNER, Senior Warden.

27

KELLOGG E. PARKER, Junior Warden.

WILLIAM F. STRONG. Treasurer.

WILLIAM A. PECK, Secretary.

REUBEN RICE, Senior Deacon.

SUEL GILBERT, Junior Deacon.

The first meeting place was in a wooden structure on the bank of the Black River, where it remained for several years, when a

loft in the upper part of the Walsh and Myers block was secured, which the members of the Lodge arranged and fitted up in a

convenient form for the use of the Lodge, the members volunteering to do the necessary work, much of which was done by lamp

light. In 1896 it moved into the Strickland Building, where it still has its quarters.

In the autumn of 1884 a disastrous fire destroyed the greater part of the village of Carthage. Fully two-thirds of the inhabitants

were without shelter, their homes having been destroyed and the industries of the village were paralyzed.

On November 29th a circular letter was issued by M.’. W.'. WILLIAM A. BRODIE, calling attention to this calamity and soliciting aid

for the sufferers. He said in the letter: "Among the sufferers twenty-eight brethren of our Masonic household, members of Carthage

Lodge, No. 158, together with their families, have been made homeless." In response to his appeal the sum of $4.377.37 was

contributed toward the relief of these unfortunate brethren and their families.

The Lodge was represented at the laying of the corner-stone and dedication of the Home at Utica.

Several of the organizers of Carthage Lodge were members of Champion Lodge, No. 29, of Champion. This Lodge was

warranted as No. 146. December 3. 1806. It continued to work until June 5, 1834, when its warrant was declared forfeited by the

Grand Lodge.

At a session of the Grand Lodge held December 7, 1836, W.'. WILLIAM H. SHUMWAY, a Grand Visitor, reported that on November

21, 1835, he had revived the Lodge, held an election and installed its officers.

It then became No. 29 and continued to meet regularly for several years. On June 3, 1862, the Grand Secretary reported that

this Lodge had surrendered its warrant.

MEN IN PUBLIC LIFE.

A. E. Kilby. Assemblyman. James A. Cutterson. Assemblyman.

C. J. Clark, Assemblyman.

MASTERS.

1. Eli West.

2. Eli West.

3. Eli West.

4. Eli West.

5. Joseph Crowner.

6. Joseph Crowner.

7. Eli West.

8. Eli West.

9. William A. Peck.

10. Eli West.

11. N. D. Ferguson.

12. N. D. Ferguson.

13. Joseph Crowner.

14. Charles T. Hammond.

15. Charles T. Hammond.

16. Charles T. Hammond.

17. George M. Brown.

18. George M. Brown.

19. George M. Brown.

20. Henry J. Kellogg.

21. Henry J. Kellogg.

22. L. G. Peck.

23. James Pringle.

24. James Pringle.

25. James Pringle.

26. James Pringle.

27. James Pringle.

28. James Pringle.

29. James Pringle.

30. James Pringle.

31. James Pringle.

32. Orrin S. Lewis.

33. Orrin S. Lewis.

34. John L. Norton.

35. John L. Norton.

36. Lloyd G. Chase.

37. Lloyd G. Chase.

38. Lloyd G. Chase.

39. Hiram Houghton.

40. William C. Sherwood.

41. James Pringle.

42. Harris J. Radin.

43. Harris J. Radin.

44. L. D. Thompson.

45. L. D. Thompson.

46. Leander E. Bossuot.

47. Frank A. Dexter.

48. Charles F. Adams.

49. Charles F. Adams.

50. John T. Wood.

51. James A. Cutterson.

52. Fred M. Wing.

53. Fred M. Wing.

54. Charles W. Shaffer.

55. Charles W. Shaffer.

56. Arthur W. Thompson.

57. Arthur W. Thompson.

58. Charles W. Shaffe

The Phoenicians, despite their extensive trading empires, began minting coins relatively late. Siculo-Carthaginian currency began to be issued in the mid-4th century and probably preceded Phoenicia's own Tyrian shekels, which developed c. 300 bc.[2] Carthage was also the first known state to utilize lightweight, flexible leather promissory notes.[3][4][5]

Carthage issued ½-shekel,[6] shekel (7.20 g),[7] 1⅔-shekel, double shekel, and triple shekel coins.[8] 5-shekel pieces were issued in Sicily.[9] It used gold, silver, electrum, bronze, and billon for its coins but did not make great use of them in North Africa. Instead, many of the surviving caches come from Carthage's holdings on Sardinia and Sicily.[10] On Sardinia, a substantial amount of bronze coinage was struck during the First Punic War and again during the attempt to recover the island amid the Second.[11] A large mass of bronze and silver coins and smaller issues in gold and electrum were struck on Sicily under administrators described as mhsbm.[12] The Siculo-Carthaginian issues of the First Punic War include one series featuring Melqart ("Hercules") obverse and a horse's head reverse.[9] More commonly, Carthaginian currency featured a female head identified as the goddess Tanit.[13] One issue of bronze coins in two denominations—Tanit the god of sun on the obverse and a galloping horse reverse—was coined at Kerkouane on Cape Bon during the resistance to the invasion of Regulus amid the First Punic War.[10] A great deal of highly debased coins were struck at the end of the First Punic War, however, to deal with the empire's revolting mercenaries.[14]

Between the First and Second Punic Wars, Carthage only issued bronze coins in North Africa,[14] although the Barcids issued gold and silver coins in Spain[7] bearing the head of Melqart obverse and a horse and palm tree reverse.[15] The gold coins were produced at a weight of 7.50 g, reflecting a value of 12 silver shekels each at a bullion exchange rate of 1:11⅓.[7] Spanish expansion and Roman plunder permitted issues in precious metals during the Second Punic War,[14] including two large silver issues for use on Sicily.[16] One set of half-shekels featured a diademed male head obverse and elephant reverse; another featured a male head with grain wreath obverse and a galloping horse reverse.[17] By the war's end, bronze was again being used[14] and, following the war, debased silver.[18] The shekel also decreased in Barcid areas from 7.2 to around 7.0 g over the course of the war.[7] Bronze coins similarly varied in weight between 8 and 10 g owing to varying exchange rates between it and the silver currency.[7] The last issues before the Third Punic War attest to the city's revitalization, as they are again pure silver[18] with a serrate edge.[19]

Numidian coins also circulated but were entirely of bronze.[20]

Recently, it has been proposed that the Germanic penny, penning, Pfennig, &c. may derive from an early borrowing of Punic pn (Pane or Pene, "Face"), as the face of Carthaginian fertility goddess Tanit was represented on nearly all Carthaginian currency.[21] The theory is, however, still disputed. Similarly, the supposed discovery of a cache of Carthaginian coins on Corvo in 1749 is the basis for supposing that the Carthaginians reached the Azores, but remains contentious.[22]

I bet we're all thinking that the Templar's were the first smart bankers who issues promisary notes for gold that can be 'cashed' elsewhere?

Nope. Of all fucking people, the Carthaginians/Phoenicians invented this!!

https://books.google.ca/books?id=IW4vAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA10&lpg=RA1-PA10&dq=carthaginian+parchment+money&source=bl&ots=R1FY0iuiEw&sig=VpFVxkqGa2blPKotlhyBjm56w0w&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

Don't fuck with Astarte (aka Aphrodite)

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0126%3Abook%3D1%3Achapter%3D105

From there they marched against Egypt: and when they were in the part of Syria called Palestine, Psammetichus king of Egypt met them and persuaded them with gifts and prayers to come no further. [2] So they turned back, and when they came on their way to the city of Ascalon in Syria, most of the Scythians passed by and did no harm, but a few remained behind and plundered the temple of Heavenly Aphrodite.1 [3] This temple, I discover from making inquiry, is the oldest of all the temples of the goddess, for the temple in Cyprus was founded from it, as the Cyprians themselves say; and the temple on Cythera was founded by Phoenicians from this same land of Syria. [4] But the Scythians who pillaged the temple, and all their descendants after them, were afflicted by the goddess with the “female” sickness: and so the Scythians say that they are afflicted as a consequence of this and also that those who visit Scythian territory see among them the condition of those whom the Scythians call “Hermaphrodites”.2

1 The great goddess (Mother of Heaven and Earth) worshipped by Eastern nations under various names—Mylitta in Assyria, Astarte in Phoenicia: called Heavenly Aphrodite, or simply the Heavenly One, by the Greeks.

2 The derivation of this word is uncertain; it is agreed that the disease was a loss of virility. In Hdt. 4.67 ἐναρής = ἀνδρόγονος.

Could it be possible that the infamous pedo swirl might relate to the swastika?

I think this video is very important. Watch it on double speed if you like.

>>2097015

Especially around the 50min mark!

This might be the Nordic connection I was looking for originally from the first thread.

Thors Hammer = Swastika

>>2109237

Totally hanging with it. Conjecture away!

>>2109656

Look at where Bloomberg put their European Headquarters

https://www.bloomberg.com/philanthropy/blog/museum-beneath-bloombergs-european-headquarters-connects-future-generations-ancient-history/

Bloomberg’s new European headquarters in London sits upon one of the most important archaeological sites in the U.K., the ancient Roman Temple of Mithras. This temple once stood in the centre of Londinium – the settlement founded by the Romans on the banks of the River Thames nearly 2,000 years ago.

During planning for our building’s construction, we made a commitment to restore this ancient site and make it publicly accessible for visitors to experience the rich history of London.

As a result, London Mithraeum Bloomberg SPACE was born. A free cultural destination underneath the new Bloomberg London office that showcases the reconstructed Temple of Mithras, more than 600 remarkable Roman artefacts uncovered during recent excavations, and a series of rotating contemporary art commissions that respond to the site’s history.

Ishtar is a mean bitch!

TABLET VI

narrates the celebration of the victory of Gilgamesh, and his repulse of Ishtar's love advances (Haupt, pp. 42-50).

He cleansed his weapons, he polished his arms.

He took off the armour that was upon him. He put away

his soiled garments and put on clean raiment;

clothed himself with his ornaments, put on his diadem (?).

Gilgamesh placed upon his head the crown and put on his diadem (?).

To win the favour and love of Gilgamesh, Ishtar, the lofty goddess desired (and said unto him):

"Come, Gilgamesh, be thou my spouse,

Give, O give unto me thy manly strength.

Be thou my husband, let me be thy wife, and I will set thee in a chariot (embossed) with precious stones and gold,

with wheels made of gold, and shafts of sapphires (?).

Large kudanu-lions thou shalt harness to it.

Under sweet-smelling cedars thou shalt enter into our house.

And] when thou enterest into our house

Thou shalt sit upon?] a lofty throne, and people shall kiss thy feet;

kings and lords and rulers shall bow down before thee.

Whatever mountain and country produces, they shall bring to thee as tribute.

• • *] thy sheep shall bear twin-ewes.

• • *] mules they shall bring as tribute.

Thy [majesty?] shall sit upon a chariot that is splendid,

drawn?] by a span that has no equal.

But Gilgamesh opened his mouth and spoke unto her; said unto the lofty goddess Ishtar:

The beginning lines of his speech are almost lost, only a few fragments being preserved. Gilgamesh refused the proffered love of Ishtar, reminding her that all her former lovers have come to grief through her, and said that he was not willing to share their fate.

"Where is thy husband Tammuz, who was to be forever?

What, indeed, has become of the allallu-bird * ?

Well, I will tell thee plainly the dire result of thy coquetries.

To Tammuz, the husband of thy youth,

thou didst cause weeping and didst bring grief upon him every year.

The allallu-bird, so bright of colours, thou didst love;

But its wing thou didst break and crush,

so that now it sits in the woods crying: 'O my wing!'

Thou didst also love a lion, powerful in his strength,

seven and seven times didst thou dig a snaring pit for him.

Thou didst also love a horse, pre-eminent in battle,

but with bridle (?), spur, and whip thou didst force it on,

didst force it to run seven double-leagues at a stretch.

And when it was tired and wanted to drink, thou still didst force it on,

thereby causing weeping and grief to its mother Si-li-li.

Thou didst also love a shepherd of the flock * * *

who continually poured out incense before thee,

and, for thy pleasure, slaughtered lambs day by day.

Thou didst smite him, and turn him into a tiger,

so that his own sheep-boys drove him away,

and his own dogs tore him to pieces.

Thou didst also love a farmer, a gardener of thy father,

who continually brought unto thee dainties,

and daily adorned thy table for thee.

Thine eye thou didst cast on him and turn his mind, saying:

'Oh, my farmer boy, let us enjoy thy manly strength.

Let thy hand come forth and take away my virginity' (?).

But the farmer spoke unto thee and said:

'Me!—what is this that thou askest of me?

Mother, thou hast not baked, and I will not eat;

The food that I shall eat is bad and bitter,

and it is covered with cold and numbness.'

And when thou didst hear such words,

thou didst smite him and change him into a cripple(?)

And didst thus compel him to lie on a couch,

so that he could no more rise up from his bed.

And now thou wouldst also love me; but like unto them I would fare."

When Ishtar heard such words

she became enraged, and went up into heaven,

and came unto Anu [her father], and

To Antum (her mother) she went, and thus spoke (unto them):

"My father, Gilgamesh has insulted me;

Gilgamesh has upbraided me with my evil deeds,

my deeds of evil and of violence."

And Anu opened his mouth and spoke—

said unto her, the mighty goddess Ishtar:

"Thou shalt not remain so disconsolate,

even though Gilgamesh has upbraided thee with thy evil deeds,

thy deeds of evil and of violence."

And Ishtar opened her mouth and said,

she spoke unto Anu, her father:

"My father, create [for me] a heaven-bull."

>>2117373

The following seventy lines have come down in a very mutilated condition; and the meaning can only be surmised. As Dr. Jeremias has ingeniously pointed out, the lines remind us of the threat of Gilgamesh, spoken before the ocean palace (Tablet X, Col. I), and especially of the analogous conditions found in the account of the "Descent of Ishtar into the Netherworld," where the courageous goddess in her wrath forces entrance to the Netherworld. As she threatened there, so now here, in heaven, she would smash everything, if her will and wish is not granted. Anu, her father, though hesitating, is forced to accede and creates the heaven-bull. And now Ishtar breaks out in these words: "I will have revenge." The account of the fight of the two heroes, Gilgamesh and Enkidu, against the heaven-bull is almost completely lost. Lines 122 and 123 appear to say:

They?] hunted him and Enkidu [attacked?] the heaven-bull,

• • • and grasped him by his heavy tail.

On an old Babylonian cylinder representing the fight we see the bull standing on its hind feet, Enkidu holding the monster by its head and tail, while Gilgamesh plunges the dagger into its heart. We can also gather from the remains of the lines that three hundred heroes took part in the fight. After the heroes had killed the bull and had thus satisfied their hearts, they brought unto Shamash, the sun god, a thank offering. The narrative then continues:

Then Ishtar went up to the wall of Uruk, the strong-walled;

she uttered a piercing cry and broke out into a curse, (saying):

"Woe to Gilgamesh, who thus has grieved me,

and has killed the heaven-bull."

But Enkidu, hearing these words of Ishtar,

tore out the right side of the heaven-bull,

and threw it into her face, (saying):

"And thus I will, indeed, defeat thee;

and I will do unto thee even as I have done to him;

I will hang its heart(?) upon thy side, forsooth."

Then Ishtar gathered her followers, that ruin men,

the hierodules and the sacred prostitutes.

Over the right side of the heaven-bull she wept and lamented.

But Gilgamesh assembled the people, and all his workmen.

The workmen admired the size of its horns.

Thirty minas of precious stones was their value;

half of an inch (?) in size was their thickness (?).

Six measures of oil they both could hold.

For the anointing of his god Lugal-tur-da8 he dedicated it.

He brought the horns and hung them up in the shrine of his lordship.

Then they washed their hands in the river Euphrates,

took the road, and set out (for the city),

and rode through the streets of the city of Uruk.

The people of Uruk assembled and looked with astonishment [at the heroes?].

Gilgamesh then spoke to the servants (?) of [his palace?]

and cried out unto them, (saying):

"Who is glorious among the heroes?

Who shines among the men?"

"Gilgamesh?] is glorious among the heroes,

Gilgamesh?] shines among the men!"

>>2185984

AMAZING

>>2198764

>This does not necessarily mean Jesus was some false prophet from the occult. Rather I believe that his intention was to unveil the occult and he was foiled by bad actors. Then they hollywood Jesus and he was re-appropriated to make people worship the sun god that the occult has always tricked people into worshipping since time written.

BOOM

You summed it up 100%, did you post this in the general as well? I think this is the crux of all our research in one post, along with that graphic another anon did above.

As for Jesus, I dunno.. I used to be religious.. then I considered myself an atheist.. and these days I'm so dizzy I'm not even sure. But I really feel like the Catholic Church was a "Phoenician" creation to turn the Gnostic Personal Jesus into a hierarchical king that's so far above you you can only access his forgiveness through a priest in confession. Confession.. hahahaha! Tell me all your dark secrets, son, I will forgive you!

https://stolenhistory.org/threads/the-phoenicians-once-ruled-the-world-they-still-do-today.153/

>>2228937

Pretty good! You mixed up part of the timeline.

The Phoenicians wanted to destroy the Israelites so they got their old buddies in Babylon to conquer them and exile them all.

When Persia defeated Babylon, they let the Israelites return and avenged them by destroying Phoenicia.

It's not a coincidence that Zoroaster was from Persia. Interesting how he lived around the time of Moses and Akhenaten…

>>2230321

This rabbit hole goes deep.

Why is there no history of the Phoenicians or Carthaginians written by themselves?

There's nothing special about the Jews, but there was something about the original Israelites. But that wasn't exclusive as revelations happened elsewhere in the world too to other tribes. This has nothing to do with race.

But consider that history is completely made up for Rome and Greece and ask yourself who wrote it?

They were hoping to utterly destroy whatever the Israelites figured out, but failed. They otherwise removed them from history but they couldn't completely remove their scriptures (though they tried)

Did you know there's literally no original sources for Roman or Greek history? All we have was "discovered" in the middle ages.

>>2256847

Holy shit. Is she reading this? Or are we hitting the nail on the head with this research!??

>>2279255

First question, you can be 32deg that fast?

>>2279623

Interesting. Ok, one thing I wonder is now that you're 32nd degree, and even so quickly so, did they suddenly grant you access to special knowledge/wisdom? Or do they trust you with that yet?

If so, what's something they told you that knocked you off your feet?

>>2280131

What's this rumour about them finally revealing the secret name of God as Lucifer, then?

>>2280385

Right, that's similar to the temptation of Jesus and Buddha. Most religions will say the righteous will not be tempted by gaining the whole world but losing your soul.

You get the vibe that Masonry is actually nudging you to take the temptation and this is what the 33rd degree is about?

>>2280385

So what do you think Q is talking about when he called out Masons being on the scene of recent FF attacks?

>>2280812

I wonder sometimes if Freemasonry is used to scout people for the "next level" secret societies.

I've been deeply thinking lately that the Phoenicians became the Spanish and the Vatican and they were trying to claim the entire new world. Freemasonry was founded to destroy the Catholic Church and take back America, and this is why they have so much symbolism everywhere as a big "fuck you" to the Catholic order.

But this is where I hit a wall. Because Freemasonry seems to be progressive and want Communism (see the French Revolution and how they wanted to take full credit for it, what was pseudo Communism). They claim they want to destroy the Church from within (after failing to literally destroy it) by corrupting bishops, which would mean that Francis might be working for the Masons.

So maybe you can help me out here. What do you think the political aim of Masonry is? And don't give me the bullshit they don't have one, historically they've been behind every major political even in modern history, and this is provable.

>>2281112

So is the idea to create useful idiots that will obey whoever's in charge? That way the Cabal can call upon them to do special actions that push them closer to their goal?

What does this double headed eagle mean to Masonry?

The typical definition is "empire" that I can find, but I feel like there's a more esoteric meaning to it.

>>2281225

Thanks, maybe you're a LARP, maybe not, Just be sure to make it interesting!

>>2281387

Well if you're the real deal that means we've been pretty much dead on with the research we've been doing here and the previous NWO thread. The Phoenix is their zeitgeist, their guiding principle.. that sacrificing something in fire will make it rise again greater than before, from babies for power, to nations for empire. It seems the MO that these mysterious people build up something big, and and then at the right time self destruct, and with that destruction they go super-nova and seed the philosophy elsewhere and grow anew. Do this enough time, and you rule the world.

Learn from the past, act for the future, and suddenly even though you might not live to see the fruits of your labour, you know your descendants are directly benefiting off your actions and your legacy is something to be proud of.

https://www.google.ca/search?rlz=1C1GIGM_enCA676CA676&biw=1920&bih=957&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=ra5YW_vMM4ue0gLY74_ACQ&q=double+headed+eagle&oq=double+headed+eagle&gs_l=img.12…0.0.0.2949421.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0….0…1c..64.img..0.0.0….0.CZG9D3vl4Ro

(sorry for ugly link)

So this double head is everywhere. Many kingdoms have used it. It originates in Sumeria, was then adopted by the Holy Roman Empire and Russia.

Hitler then chopped a head off and it became a single eagle/phoenix looking into the past. What the fuck is up with that?

Is there actually a Phoenician connection to the Freemasons as we suspect?

Do the Freemasons own the moon, as they claim they put their flag there?

Do the Venetians own mainland America (north and south), as John Cabot put a Venetian flag on it in 1497?

Is it true that our chronology is wrong and that it's not really 2018? Do masons talk about this wild idea?

>>2281500

If you just took those pics, write "Qanon" in front of your 32deg badge and take a pic of that.

>>2282030

Thank you! Ok I'm going to dive in and just believe you then haha.

Is freemasonry the only society you're involved with?

What other societies should we pay attention to?

(I asked a few other random questions here too that I'd love your thoughts on)

>>2281885

>>2283443

Does G = Goddess?

Is Lucifer Venus?

>>2285681

Not at all. It's always been shady as fuck.

For a fun read, read about Freemasonry in France. Wow!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Freemasonry_in_France

>>2295790

Thank you for bringing up her work.

When I first encountered her videos, I passed them off because of their low quality. Once I just let one play, and after 2 minutes I was HOOKED. She is NOT flashy, but she's absolutely thick with facts and figures and images and ideas.

I think she might be on to something

>>2298509

There is no true historical date before the 14th century - all need a critical scrutiny.

Far less than two thousand years have elapsed since the Roman Empire.

The Christian Church as an institution existes only since the Middle Ages.

The Bible, as we know it, was written in the 15th century.

The first complete printed edition of the Talmud was produced at the time of Zwingli's Reformation (Venice 1519-23)

Christianism, Jewish faith and Islam emerged more or less at the same time.

Most of the Greek and Roman authors are literary creations of the Renaissance.

The Egyptian and the Mesopotamic Empires lasted at best some hundred years.

Several cosmic catastrophes - at least one in the last thousand years - have affected our calendar.

The chronology of other civilisations, as the Chinese and Indian, has been adapted to the European.

An important part of the monuments in our museums are fakes.

Original buildings, artistic works and paintings often tell us something different from their modern interpretation.

As a rule, manuscripts are the most easily faked artefacts, but also stone engravings can be faked or wrongly interpreted.

"Classical" languages as Latin, Ancient Greek and Classical Arabic are late creations.

>>2302616

I'm the OP and I certainly don't mind you chatting here. As long as you can help us solve this NWO riddle you are most welcome to share what insight you might have.

>>2302890

Hey bruh, I was copypasta from the website. But it's interesting. Most of the reasoning is based on the notion that we literally have no manuscripts older than the middle ages. Our past beyond that is literally fiction. Some is probably true, but it's impossible to know. Some posit that the Roman Empire wasnt that long ago, and in fact the Holy Roman Empire didn't have a gap at all. There's some fascinating reasoning to explain these ideas and it's not as far fetched once you actually hunt for evidence of the "past" they're trying to sell us.

>>2306385

Because I found it to be pretty interesting! The purpose of this thread is decode the matrix of the NWO. If history isn't as old as we're told that's a huge clue.

I can't fathom the Egyptian nation lasting only 100 years, but I also can't fathom a nation holding it together for thousands of years either.

You can't deny history is bias propaganda written by the victorious. Historians thread it all together and we then accept this bullshit tapestry.

Here! Do my challenge. Think of a big, important event that happened over 2000 years ago. Now find out where the account of that event first came from. Now find the oldest surviving manuscript of that account. Very often none survive and you are lucky if copies of copies survived. Many of these events come from volumes only supposed to exist because another historian quoted a single line from it a hundred years later. Ok, let's say you got lucky and found this account in a manuscript from 1050ce. Cool. When was it officially found and archived? 1500? sometimes 1800?! Wtf!

Nevermind these ancient historians weren't witness to the events. Heck, some of the most important Roman historians were immigrants! And they wrote decades or longer after the event.

We can barely thread the JFK story together with are abundance of media and technology. I can barely remember my own childhood.

Let's face facts!

HISTORY IS A LIE

Why and who is fucking around with the past? Enter (((They))) and their NWO

>>2302119

You're on the right track. But all religions are bullshit. Were humans fucked before God knocked up Mary? Of course not. Stop taking it literally. Our religions are echoes of ancient wisdom turned to allegory mistaken for history. The truth is real, the stories don't actually matter. The point is you have the divine ability to discern truth for yourself and you can trust yourself as long as you vow to never be deceived. This will send you into a spiral and house of mirrors.

Anyway, the significance of God sacrificing his Son is fascinating. If you legit think that's awesome, then you actually think child sacrifice has a profound magic and is endorsed by God. Now, luckily he did the ultimate final sacrifice so we no longer need to, but in order for the myth to have any meaning you must first suppose human sacrifice is a relevant logical action!

>>2306883

This chick is mostly crazy. She believes in Dragons and gnomes. But she's parroting some legit notions about the middle ages.

Read my other reply.

But just because I don't know what really happened before the middle ages doesn't mean I can trust what these monks were spitting out.

Personally I think most accounts are generally real but may have happened in a different order, and gaps were filled in with made up figures.

Research the first Pope's leading up to the council of Nicaea. Totally made up.

>>2306957

Q !UW.yye1fxo ID: 87df69 No.351447 📁

Feb 12 2018 11:50:26 (EST)

Anonymous ID: a4bb61 No.351343 📁

Feb 12 2018 11:44:06 (EST)

controlling the crops, controls the people (sheep)

(might be reaching, but throwing it out there)

>>351343

Coincidence the Matrix (movie) grew people as a crop, used for energy, and controlled their mind?

Sound familiar?

Wonder where they derived that idea from.

Now comes the 'conspiracy' label.

Deeper we go, the more unrealistic it all becomes.

The end won't be for everyone.

That choice, to know, will be yours.

Q

https://www.rexdeus.com/wp/secret-societies/history-lie-created-control/

New Chronology theory complies with the most rigid scientific standards:

– It gives a coherent explanation of what we already know;

– It is consistent: independent lines of inquiry all lead to the same conclusion;

– The predictions it makes are confirmed empirically;

New Chronology goes by the following basic axioms:

– Chronology is the basis of history;

– Human evolution has always been linear, gradual and irreversible;

– The “cyclic” nature of human civilization is a myth, likewise all the gaps, duplicates, “dark ages” and “renaissances” that we know from consensual history are fantasy and hoax;

– The accumulation of geographical knowledge as reflected in cartography is a gradual and irreversible process;

– The closer in time is a given manuscript to the events described the less distortions it contains;

– There is no “useless” information in authentic ancient sources.

>>2308291

The reason why I said to research the first popes up to the council is because they're almost certainly not real. One guy wrote a list, and then another guy came along and slapped some dates to the same list but mixed up the order too. Other than that we have no other record of them. Plus those list didn't show up until the middle ages.

You say there were 1800 bishops by 325ce? Which would mean how many priests? Well, as of 2009 there are only 5000 bishops, and over 400,000 priests. That's 80x! Let's be conservative and say 20x back then. So 1800 x 20 = 36000 priests. Nevermind the nuns and monks. How many people per church? 100? 3,600,000 Christians in 325ce? I suppose it's possible but I honestly find that to be far fetched considering things were very slow to transmit back then, everything would be word of mouth and word of mouth would be hard since it was allegedly illegal to be a Christian. No, feeding to the lions didn't bolster the numbers because almost certainly this was a middle age invention as martyr stories only started to appear then.

We have no surviving documents from Nicaea, and the canon wasn't officially finalized until the 1500s which was the council of Trent. Some even so far as to say Nicaea didn't even happen but had to be manufactured to fit the timeline. Personally I think there were definitely counsels beforehand but we don't know any of the real details of it.

Anyway. You really think Jesus anointed the first Pope by saying you're the rock upon which I build my church? First of all, you have to wonder if that verse is made up by the very ones declaring authority. Second, it contradicts what Jesus says when he says "I am the way, the truth, and the light: no one gets to the father except by me". There's no astrieks there. It's what made Christianity so dangerous. It was an anarchistic religion that said you don't need priests (pharasees) or temples (turn over the tables!) you're lovely temple will be torn apart in a mere 3 days! You don't need a middle man, you can talk directly to the divine because you come from the divine yourself.

Of course, can't have that. Better organize it all into a Roman hierarchy and make the Pope the new ceaser/God.

>>2315670

The conversation seems to be veering into a battle of ideologies but I do want to bring up something interesting about how Christianity as a concept (forget any church structure or creeds) is a direct response to the evil Nimrod religion that was so infectious (and, we are discovering, is still active today)

Personally I believe that the absolutely earliest date we can ascribe to the story of Abraham and Issac is 400bce after they return from Babylonian exile (the Phoenicians got their buddy's in Babylon to capture and exile the pesky Israelites in Canaan, after a period of time the Persians, who also had some monotheistic ideas via Zoroaster, saved them and let them go back home and crushed Phoenicia in the process). This date makes more sense than the supposed date of Moses in 1300bce, as Moses almost certainly didn't write it. It makes sense because I don't think the story is real, it was a direct answer to the "pagans" who still wanted to do child sacrifice. God basically did something weird here. He legitimacized the practice of child sacrifice but basically said he doesn't need that anymore. Wtf? Weird right. So now they only did animal sacrifice.

Jesus Christ continues in that ideology, but to the next level and says that no more child sacrifice will ever be required because God sacrificed his only begotten son for everyone so it's all good now!

Personally I think the concept of sacrifice is absurd and twisted which is why I can't buy into these religions as literal truth. But I can certainly see and understand their grandeur and brilliance as a way of stopping an evil practice endemic of the age. Christianity and Judaism literally ended human sacrifice as a tenant of their religion, but had to do it by agreeing that child sacrifice has legitimate effects although those effects are no longer going to be supported by God.

I get it. I'm happy the philosophy evolved that way. But I can't help but feel that this solution was a political compromise and is still fucked up at a fundamental, conceptual level.

>>2376768

>>2448196

The Vikings attacked monasteries. Sure, they did have gold relics there, but what they had of very high importance was books and manuscripts. The Vikings were destroying history.

>>2412898

>Diodorus even said that some citizens who bought children from poor people and reared them specially for sacrifice believed misfortunes had resulted because they had not sacrificed their own offspring."

This is 'funny', because the idea of sacrifice is to sacrifice something you love. If you just had the kid so you could kill it, then you NEVER loved it.

Just watched READY PLAYER ONE

(SPOILER, sorta not really)

This picture is of the Creator's apartment, the button on the wall will erase the VR Simulation forever for everyone and everyone will force to live in reality. Right above is a massive picture of Saturn. To the left is a fucking pentagram.

Directed by Stephen Speilberg

What…the…fuck!

>>2484006

Wow, this one is new to me! Nice!

>>2484254

Yes, if you have more, keep it coming

>>2490182

Sorry but that doesn't make sense as the NWO is supposed to have Nazism as a subgroup. That's impossible if it's nuclear as Nuclear Weapons (as far as we're told) were developed well after Nazism was spawned

>>2490759

Q !UW.yye1fxo ID: fb1a66 No.618754 📁

Mar 10 2018 18:37:22 (EST)

N does not refer to Nazi.

The continued Nazi ideology is relevant.

Events will clarify.

Think subgroup.

Q

>>2490769

The Phoenicians followed a star called "Merika", possibly Venus (maybe Sirius??)

And I'm almost convinced the Phoenicians were in the new world.

Phoenicians became Veneicians.

John Cabot placed a Venetian flag on North America. Also a British one.

100 years later, England returns to claim their flag that Cabot planted. Few know about the Veneician flag.

They call the area AMERICA, supposedly after some dipshit guy named Amerigo, but that makes no sense as he wasn't the first nor was he an important mariner.

This is the Land of Merika, that when you follow the star you get to.

The Freemasons literally have a landclaim to all of the New World because of Cabot.

They also have a flag on the Moon (if you believe we went there, I personally do)

>>2490826

Note that Cabot mysteriously disappears. His son Sabastian becomes important later on.

>>2492832

> They have lots to draw from here already.

And that's great! I'm glad we're all open to drop whatever nutty idea we might have about the true nature of reality here. Together I think we have a good chance at piecing together the puzzle but we need to be cool about letting a few "out there" ideas float around because who knows, it might inspire someone here to dig and find something incredible.

I'm 90% convinced at this point that it's not 2018. I don't know what year it is, since History itself seems to be a string of lies patched together with duct-tape.

Before this thread, i would have never thought that.

>>2493191

I love the "Polar Configuration" theory and I think it indeed answers a lot of mysteries of our past.

What I can't figure out though is HOW we could leave Saturn's orbit and how that wouldn't literally kill everything when we did. We'd be thrust into the iciest age of all time until finally arriving back in the Goldilocks Zone of our solar system.

Surely there's some evidence out there in our solar system that suggests a reconfiguration of our planets?

The most incredible, perhaps incredulous, thing about the theory is that this happened within HUMAN MEMORY. So very recently.

>>2481559

And there it is!

>>2499817

Interesting how scientists think Homo Sapiens are about 200,000 years old

Amazingly well done telling of the Sumerian creation myth, must watch!

>>2524385

Have you heard of the Raelians?

>>2532455

https://www.thedaveshow.co.za/blog/2014/02/11/ufo-cult-backs-clitoris-restoration/

The Raëlian Movement teaches that life on Earth was scientifically created by a species of extraterrestrials, which they call the Elohim. Members of this species appeared human and when having personal contacts with the descendants of the humans they made, they previously misinformed (on purpose) early humanity that they were angels, cherubim or gods. Raëlians believe messengers, or prophets, of the Elohim include Buddha, Jesus, and others who informed humans of each era. The founder of Raëlism, members claim, received the final message of the Elohim and that its purpose is to inform the world about Elohim and that if humans become aware and peaceful enough, they wish to be welcomed by them.

>>2623285

Tartesso was the port which the Phoenicians used to go to the New World.

No one knows where the Bronze Age got it's Tin from.

Answer: from Michigan.

>>2592594

Too simplistic. Let's just say that's right, the next question is, why do they desperately want "Greater Israel" so bad that they would sacrifice millions of lives to get it?

Expand your thinking. There's something about that land.

Something very important about Iraq and Syria.

Something hidden in history. It's likely open source, we just need to connect the dots.

Also consider that Hitler's merry band of mystic archaeologists were desperately hunting around for artefacts too. Probably connected.

>>2710276

After watching this, this was one of the next videos played.

This will utterly blow your mind and may be a very good reason for the strange events of the present and reasonably explain the past!

https://youtu.be/_vWwqdXzl58?t=1112

WTF IS THIS

>>2747011

Ok, can you post a link with them?

https://youtu.be/_vWwqdXzl58?t=1879

SPIRAL PURPOSE?!

Any new ideas folks?

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_moneymisterymagick02.htm

In my last article, I wrote about the hidden alchemical secrets behind the U.S. monetary system.

In it I explored the Masonic and occult symbolism of the U.S. one dollar bill. I explained how these symbols acted as psychopomps directing the mind of its holder to believe in the power and value of the U.S. dollar. I argued that, due to the nature of our fiat (paper) currency, and the practice of fractional reserve lending upon which our banking system is based, it is the faith of the American public, and that faith alone, which gives the dollar its value.

And this, I explained, is the essence of magic, akin to the alchemical concepts of turning dross into gold.

Furthermore, the way in which our economy causes capital to multiply exponentially is similar to the alchemical idea of creating very much from very little. Such concepts regarding money can be found in the teachings of Freemasonry, as I reveal in my latest book, Solomon’s Treasure: The Magic and Mystery of America’s Money.

But these concepts were not invented by the Freemasons.

They were part of a tradition passed down from the cultures of antiquity, particularly Greece and Judea. Indeed, as I explain in my book, the secret wisdom of how to create and multiply wealth was known to Solomon, and may have been at the heart of his fabled treasure, purportedly discovered beneath the Temple Mount by Freemasonry’s historic predecessors, the Knights Templar.

And as it turns out, our modern system of banking owes even more to the Templars than it does to the Freemasons.

NYMZA: The Hand Behind Globalism

pt 1,2,3,4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1ziJrIwFGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UjkWgk_hxg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMolCN9rbHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rillGCKkeo

I wish this guy would finish this series. I think he's WAY WAY WAY over the mark.

NYMZA World Order

I've never heard of this before but I just watched these 4 "books" (they're short, like 7min each) and I think he makes a very compelling case.

>>3045585

You truly "Archive Everything Offline"

What do you say folks, should I bake #3?

>>3142494

NICE!!!

>>3030525

This was amazing!

Holy shit, how does this video not have 1 billion hits?

The Equator 12,500 Years Ago

>>3487440

Why would they build these cities along the equator? Leylines? Meh, I'm not a big believer in that.

More likely? SATELITES

Bob Singer, Amateur astronomer since my teens, in the space biz since 1974

Answered Oct 16 2015 · Author has 4.7k answers and 5.1m answer views

Geostationary satellites don't actually orbit the equator, they are in low inclination orbits that cause the satelite to appear to do a figure 8 in the sky above the Earth. Orbiting near the equator allows the satellite to match the speed of the Earth's spin which is the same at the same latitudes. Attempting to orbit over a higher inclination means you pass of parts of the Earth that are closer to the poles, and thus spinning slower. This would make your satellite move past those places and defeat the purpose of the geosynchronous orbit.

(from Quora)

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-geostationary-satellites-orbit-the-equator

http://thephoenixenigma.com

I have a sneaky suspicion this guy lurks here

Hey Guys! OP here and I'm debating what to do. I fucking love you guys and the journey we've gone on down this path. I've recently been digging deeper into history and once you're down the rabbit hole far enough you can't avoid that russian guy named "FOMENKO". I've been reading his "History: Fact or Fiction" book, and I'm becoming convinced he's on to something.

A lot of people try to expand and stretch out history to be older than we think. Fomenko is the only person I found (at a academic level) to seriously argue the other way around.

It's such an ABSURD notion. So crazy to think about. It can't be possible! But then he shows exactly how it's possible and you start to feel stupid for thinking it can be any other way.

And it's SHOCKING to think that we basically do NOT have any history beyond 1000 years ago. ONE THOUSAND YEARS. That's it? Obviously our history stretches beyond that (or does it?)

But let's go with it. The idea is that in the middle ages (1500s) confused "enlightenment" know it alls, either purposely or by accident fabricated and mixed up historical events that we now take for granted.

But wait!!! What happened in the 1500s? Age of Discovery. Cabot and Columbus. So at the same time we're making up history, we're making new history in the "new world".

I'm a big advocate of the idea that there's a connection between the Phoenicians and Venetians and the Vikings, but my problem is that the timelines don't match up. Such big gaps of time between these "empires". But, if Fomenko is right: there is no gap. Indeed it could very well be the Phoenicians, literally, who discovered America in 1492/1497. For some reason they wrote their evil cult into obscurity deep into the past during the "rebirth" / "Phoenix" / Renaissance

Would you folks be game to dive deep into this angle for part 3 of this thread??

>>3813951

So the first thread was called "Nordic World Order" where we explored the idea of Vikings and Norse Mythology, but we all figured that it can't START with these obscure raiders, it has to go back deeper, so we called it "Nimrod World Order" as there's an obvious Babylonian connection to all of this cabal symbolism.

What if we call the next thread the

"NEW WORLD" Order

Where we explore all of this same stuff BUT in the context of the New World, ie. America, aka New Atlantis (Old Atlantis?).

I have a lot of thoughts about it. I think the Cabal's plan goes all the way back to the "discovery" of America and how the planned to launch a world government with the New World being it's launch pad.

From day one they wanted the Americas to be ruled by a Monarchy, from colonies, to the war of independence, to the civil war (yes, I think the civil war was meant to create a southern monarchy, if not total monarchy), all the way up to the FED and Queen Hillary.

Freemasonry has a huge stake in this, I am growing to believe that they're the hidden force behind Communism and the world wars. When Monarchy failed both in the founding and the civil war of America, Communism was the backup plan to restore monarchies in the world. Communism was never meant to be a viable economic system, indeed it was meant to fail, and what would remain after it fails? A Global Monarch.

We can get a bit more granular about American History (not just USA, but Canada and Mexico and even South America) and trace back their objectives to current events. For example, we could deep dive Payseur and how they may have a link to the deposed French Monarchy and also how the Louisiana Purchase could have been used to justify giving back half of America back to either Spain or France (but ONLY after an armed force was allowed to occupy the region then claim it back).

I think there's a lot of digging we can do here!

And yes, we can absolutely still talk about giants and babylon and yes, the Catholic church has a BIG role herer. The Catholics/Jesuits and the Freemasons are two sides of a coin, they only pretend to be at war with each other.

Fun Fact: There was a Bishop of Vinland in 1121, Erik Gnupsson. What the FUCK? That means the Catholic Church 100% knew about the "NEW WORLD" wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before 1492.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Gnupsson

>>3818488

I should add that we very much need to consider the stories and myths of the Natives that were here before, as well as of course Aztecs and Mayans.

Mormonism is a particular curious religion as well. American Jesus eh? We should dig on it's origins and not just dismiss it wholesale.

>>3813951

PS, I haven't responded to your specific post, I think you should repost or reiterate in the new thread I'll create in a bit

>>3818770

Thank you!!

>>3821623

http://archive.is/drepI