The final countdown to the fall of Rome has begun.
https://pinkbunnies.club/whiterabbit/blog/19/timing-is-everything
The Vatican and some of its mid-level minions are exposed in Operation Gladio and Gladio 2 (B).
That is a vulnerability that the anons should exploit, even 911 is tied to it. The Vatican, CIA, Mafia, P2, NATO, and Muslim terrorists are all involved in this scheme.
Credible and connected whistle blowers have already revealed damning evidence. The Atlantic Council is a front group for evil, empowered through the CFR. It's a mechanism for political change by false flag terrorism, hiding behind a respectable facade.
I did a 3 minute rap video about it which I can't embed since it is banned by youtube in numerous countries. However, it will play natively at this link below and more importantly there are links in the lyrics to information on this subject.
https://pinkbunnies.club/q
I agree. We don't need just another change of management in the Vatican's corporation, which is what America was turned into.
We need to break free of their NWO structures and destroy their grip on humanity as a whole. It is hard to trust since so many in Washington, including Trump and his team, were trained by Jesuits.
Is there a praetorian guard movement afoot? Are those within his own ranks turning on the evil emperor in Rome?
I see evidence of this in some of Q's posts but more concretely in the actions of Josh Shapiro. Think of it, a Democrat Jesuit trained lawyer (Georgetown), actually stood up and did the right thing.
He exposed the Church in Pennsylvania but has also stated the Catholic Church is a "nationwide criminal organization". The testimony of Viganò is yet another "body blow" from one of their own.
There are now 13 states (and growing) proceeding with broad investigations. Many Catholic organizations themselves are disgusted and have knives out for the Vatican and the Church hierarchy.
As a Protestant, I am hoping that many will "come out of her" as God instructed in Rev. 18. It is not their fault they were born into an evil corrupt system, they are only complicit if they continue to cling to it.
How much "acting" is going on? Are some of those who appear to be with them because of the school they attended, or the family they were born into, wearing a mask like those elites who helped the rebels in "The Hunger Games".
Time will tell, but no matter how it plays out, Rome will be judged and destroyed as God said in Rev. 17-18. The only questions are who is going down with the ship and how ugly is it going to get.
They are 30 years worth of digitized files in play, some of it so graphic and horrifying it curdles the blood. This may get quite ugly before it is all said and done. Few understand the depths of the evil and depravity involved, the absolute bone-chilling horror of their deeds.
If they did, you would probably see the Pope and Prelates dragged through the streets and hung from light poles. There would likely be retribution from their side, revenge options they could put in play, so a more controlled demolition of their evil system is preferable.
One way or the other they are going down, that is unavoidable at this point. So what's it going to be Merv? The easy way or the hard way?
I hope you are not suggesting that the Catholic Church was good before Vatican II. I often see traditionalist conservative Catholics attacking the liberal Pope and post Vatican II agenda, laboring under the illusion that the Church was somehow "saintly" before Vatican II.
Or that the conservatives in the Church are good, the liberals are evil. No the whole system is rotten to the core.
The Vortex comes to mind, or "Church Militant", rightfully denouncing modern errors and deeds yet upholding Catholic heresies that millions of protestants were tortured and killed for opposing,
The system was evil for centuries, this isn't some new phenomenon that started after Vatican II.
The following was written in the 16th century:
"More remarkable yet, in the same bull they decided that a cardinal should not keep as many boys in the future. However, Pope Leo commanded that this be deleted; otherwise it would have been spread throughout the whole world how openly and shamelessly the pope and the cardinals in Rome practice sodomy. I do not wish to mention the pope, but since the knaves will not repent, but condemn the gospel, blaspheme and revile God’s word, and excuse their vices, they, in turn, will have to take a whiff of their own terrible filth. This vice is so prevalent among them that recently a pope caused his own death by means of this sin and vice. In fact, he died on the spot. All right now, you popes, cardinals, papists, spiritual lords, keep on persecuting God’s word and defending your doctrine and your churches! (Luther's Works Volume 47, p.38)
The monkey doesn't like to dance when the tune is the truth.
There appears to be some confusion or at least a lack of consensus on who is ultimately "pulling the strings".
Templars, Aliens, Jews, Jesuits, Pope, Payseur, etc., etc.
God described all of this in the time of Daniel and the prophecies have unfolded exactly as foretold. Satan has been working through a succession of world-dominating kingdoms, culminating in Papal Rome.
This has been well known and taught for centuries in historicist eschatology. In fact, the Geneva Bible of 1560 spells out this interpretation in the footnotes.
Rome commissioned two Cardinals to develop false eschatological systems to counter the claims of the Reformers that the Papacy is the anti-Christ system of prophecy.
Futurism, developed by a Spanish Jesuit, Francisco Ribera, around 1580-1590, is wildly popular today - blinding almost everyone.
Here is a link here to some good information and also a graphic that needs to be enlarged to get all the relevant info from it. Hope that helps.
https://pinkbunnies.club/whiterabbit/blog/14/pope-or-payseur
Not so much to you but to QANON if they see this.
Some just want to lop the head off the snake and destroy the pedo palace. More movement toward a controlled demolition of that power structure needs to be seen or the sword of Damocles might fall prematurely. Sitting on files while people play politics is not easy. How about some news on the State and Federal investigations before someone blows their wad and makes things too ugly to control?
I would agree that it is Satan, the old serpent, ultimately pulling the strings but he works through human agencies. Prophecy delineates a succession of world dominating kingdoms culminating in Papal Rome.
To my mind, attempting to trace the bloodlines back to Genesis 6 is not that helpful because the record has been lost to antiquity.
Besides which, bloodlines are not the method God uses to identify the anti-Christ system, though there are families who have grown immensely rich and powerful by cooperating it.
The historicist eschatology of the reformers, the traditional Protestant view, uses 11 identifying marks in Daniel and 7 more in Revelation to prove conclusively that the Papacy is the anti-Christ system God was warning us about.
The counter-reformation has been so successful that this fact has all but been erased from the minds of men.
There is a link below that gives a brief overview and has links to more details.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-vatican/the-papacy-is-the-anti-christ/1757453114287025/
You just said it yourself, "we don't have the info" and "we could assume". That is why I don't favor the bloodline approach - it is fraught with difficulties and assumptions.
It leads some people to make wild unprovable speculations that tend to discredit the movement opposing the anti-Christ system.
There is no need to speculate, solid evidence is abundant and has been taught for centuries by Protestant scholars.
Unfortunately, the correct view is largely ignored today because it was supplanted by eschatological deceptions developed during the counter-reformation.
The truth is not popular, nor is it politically correct. It involves biblical and historical scholarship which is not as captivating or entertaining as tales of aliens and lizard people. It is not as compelling as a political dictator incarnating the devil and creating hell on earth while believers are raptured away.
There are reams of fantastic books and Hollywood plots thrown out there like shiny objects to blind the masses.
Here is something quite boring by comparison, an introduction to some of the theological and historical proofs in a PDF download: "The Papacy Is The Antichrist" - Rev. J. A. WYLIE, LL.D.
https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/15
The Masons are not monolithic, there are different factions. The plan is not Masonic, Q has already outed the Masons in Broward County as part of the false flag shooting.
Whatever virtue that may have existed in the American Masons was lost long ago. At the time of the original constitution the American Masons were relatively benign.
Washington was presented with a book called "Proofs of a Conspiracy" and commented on it in his letters. It is clear that he and his Masonic General Lafayette were concerned about Jesuit infiltration.
Adams, his Vice President, who later became the second president, wrote four volumes warning people about the Jesuits and their infiltration tactics.
Within 100 years, their fears were realized, extra degrees written by the Jesuits were added to the Masonic system, the Bavarian Illuminati formed by the Jesuits infiltrated and the District of Colombia was formed, built on land donated by the Jesuits.
A Catholic stronghold, Rome Maryland, is where the capital was set up. A second constitution was created and America became run by Rome as a crown cooperation. The Federal Reserve cemented their control financially.
Washington's revolutionary spirit and good name was used to give an air of legitimacy to the monstrosity created in his name but make no mistake, Washington DC and the Masons, have been under the control of Rome for a long time.
There is a blog here with a video embed below it that will put some sauce on this for you - https://pinkbunnies.club/whiterabbit/blog/9/the-united-states-shadow-government
1) I never said that you said the Masons were monolithic.
2) I didn't say that you said there were or were not different factions.
3) The Masons were outed as bad actors by Q. Ask him did he throw out the baby with the bathwater.
4) I did not claim to have searched the soul of every Mason. I have however done research on the craft, read books by ex-Masons, and know some Masons personally, including a few Black Knights from the Orange Lodge. They have earned the "Sir" title so I affectionately call them Sir Whines-A- Lot, Sir Gimp-A-Long, etc.
I am entitled to my opinion, it is honestly come by. Most Masons are decent people, they are simply duped (like most Catholics). They do not know the craft is Luciferian and Jesuit controlled at the top because they don't read the books in their own library. Also, because by the admission of their own leadership, they are lied to until they reach the highest levels.
5) My opinion, based on research, is that the Masons evolved from operative to speculative and over time advanced degrees were added. The progression was from relatively benign to Jesuit controlled and Gnostic/Luciferian in character. The York Rite claims to defend Christianity, yet it is incompatible with authentic Christianity.
6} You are not the only person here and the mention of the book was relevant to my response. I did not suggest you were ignorant of the book.
7) We don't seem to be in disagreement on this point.
8) Your strawman seems to be self-generated. I did not say that you said any of those things so why accuse me of doing so?
Yes, you say the plan is Masonic and I pointed out that Q has already outed the Masons as part of the Broward County false flag. So if the Masons have a plan, it seems to be at odds with the plan Q is referencing.
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As for your other thoughts, I believe there are good and bad people everywhere, in all groups.
The Attorney General of Pennsylvania is a Democrat who went to Georgetown, a Jesuit University, yet he has dealt the Vatican a body blow with his report exposing them.
Archbishop Viganò has dealt the Vatican another body blow with his testimony as a high ranking Catholic insider.
Edna Kenny is a conservative Catholic and dealt another body blow over the abuse in Ireland. Sometimes conscience overrides affiliations and the restraints of one's position.
In fact, some good people remain in bad groups on purpose, as moles. Infiltration works both ways.
It is quite a claim to suggest that God sent you to help me - lol. The plan is not Masonic, it is God's plan and has existed for all time, described in passages like Daniel 2, and Revelation 17-18. If the Masons want to renounce their blood oaths and get with God's plan they are welcome to do so.
I will not throw shade on your assertions without reference to further study. Disputes exist among honest scholars in this area, especially on the historical aspects. Nevertheless, here is some food for thought.
Masonry is Luciferian - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/16
The Jesuit Connection to Freemasonry - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/17
Masonry - Beyond the Light - (written by a former 32 degree) https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/18
So this revelation was given to you by who? Or what? Where is your evidence?
Since Q has outed the Masons as bad actors, are you against Q? Do think you know more than Q? How do you interpret the following post supplied with a Masonic logo by Q?
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"Why are Freemasons on the scene of most shooting locations?
Openly giving interviews or in background shots?
Symbolism will be their downfall."
Q
Since you are under the delusion that the plan is Masonic even though Q has called out the Masons as bad actors, I think an explanation of why you hold that position is in order.
Especially, since I have posted resources showing the craft to be Luciferian and tied to the Jesuits.
It is an honest and legitimate question but instead of answering it, you have conducted an ad hominem attack against me. That is the last resort of someone who has no valid argument to support their position.
You have also attacked the Bible and those associated with it. All because someone asked you to explain your position.
So again, I ask the same questions and hopefully can get an honest response from you this time. Spewing your hatred does nothing to legitimize your position. It only reveals your character.
Why you think "the plan" is Masonic when Q has specifically outed the Masons as bad actors.
"Why are Freemasons on the scene of most shooting locations?
Openly giving interviews or in background shots?
Symbolism will be their downfall."
Q
You have also mounted an ad hominem attack instead of answering the simple question.
Why do you believe "the plan" is Masonic when Q has specifically outed the Masons as bad actors?
You said, "The Original Concept is that of Christ Consciousness/Krishna Consciousness".
I agree with you that Roman Catholicism does not represent authentic Christianity. I would also agree we can be Christ-like or conformed to his image (Rom. 8:29).
However, that has nothing in common with Krishna Consciousness, or Christ Consciousness, in the "New Age" use of the terms.
Religious syncretism is an exercise in fatal compromise. The teachings of Jesus Christ and other worldviews, including the teaching of Krishna Consciousness, cannot be reconciled. The following quote explains some of the reasons.
"Hare Krishna are Hindus, of course. Their basic worldview is pantheism, which means that they do not believe in a personal God, but a kind of force or presence which pervades the universe.
According to the Hindu worldview, we are god and need to find our god-self within ourselves. This god-within is called atman. The goal of life is for atman to disappear into Brahman, which is the universal soul.
…If what Jesus said is true, then the Hindu/Hare Krishna worldview is not true. Jesus is clear. We are not God. Our goal is not to disappear into an impersonal universal presence but to be resurrected to live with God. …two diametrically opposed worldviews." Dr. John Oakes
The embedded video is from an Indian, Ravi Zacharias. He is a world-renowned Christian apologist. His book called "New Birth or Rebirth: Jesus Talks with Krishna' speaks directedly to the very issue you raise. Perhaps it would be helpful for you to read it.
The embedded video is more general, dealing with Buddhism & Hinduism, the exclusivity of all religions, the superficial similarities, and related issues.
You refer to Christians as pathetic romans, liars and thieves promoting a feeble mythos. Demeaning and insulting Christians, or the Bible, does nothing to prove your assertions, it only reveals your spiritual condition.
Ravi Zacharias was born in India and knows the Gita as well as any man but has chosen Christianity. It was for that reason I pointed you to him, to try and help you to see what he sees.
There are many good, decent, honest, spiritual Christians who teach that the Papacy is the anti-Christ system. Historicism, the traditional Protestant eschatology, has always maintained that view. Millions of Christians were martyred for defending the truth against Rome's heresies.
We attack the system and its false teachings, not ordinary people who are deceived by it and certainly not the Bible, or God.
I have no desire to focus on you. I entered this thread because it was centered on the anti-Christ in Rome which I have been fighting for decades. I was content to post resources but I must correct gross error when I see it.
You have stated that "The Original Concept is that of Christ Consciousness/Krishna Consciousness" and that is simply false. Christ and Krishna taught radically different things, the Gita cannot be reconciled with the Bible.
The other correction is your insistence that "the plan" is Masonic. Q himself, the one who has been telling us about the plan, has outed the Masons as bad actors in post 1630 and in many other places though less directly.
You might find this a humorous commentary on the war between the Pope and Trump.
Yes, to my mind that was the best "big picture" post that Q has made to date.
Particularly, the sections dealing with the infiltration of America by the Knights of Malta and the Pope's use of Hitler's paymaster in the doings of the Vatican bank.
The fact that Q linked that document with the simple instruction "learn" was what initially confirmed to me that he was aware of the truth about Rome.
Yes - there is a fair amount of evidence indicating the Jesuits took control of the Masons and wrote the higher degrees.
There are a number of well produced videos on youtube exploring that subject.
Here is a composite graphic with some quotes along those lines.
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Well, I am glad to see that you only post once a day and your posts are about the Papacy - kek.
It is wonderful that your chaste language and wise, well-chosen words exemplify the God you say you represent. Quote: "I am a Son of God/Source/That which informs us all…I will grow to be as the Father…".
I am so pleased that your posts do not spew mocking vulgarities expressing your hatred against the Bible and those associated with it.
What happened to just posing once a day as not to bump - management? I think that is 5 for you today but I guess you are special?
The Gnostics did not write the Bible, their writings and teachings were rejected by Christians. You are in error again.
You are flitting from Hinduism, to Luciferianism, to aliens, to flat earth, to Babylonian mythology - what exactly is it that you believe in?
So far, the only thing you have convinced me of is that you seem to believe in everything and anything except for the truth. You display nothing but hatred and mockery for the word of God. Are you sure you are not demon possessed? Your thoughts are disjointed and confused - are you on drugs?
You have pointed to something in the Bible that you don't understand and think your ignorance is an excuse to vilify God almighty? Be careful, God is not mocked.
Instead of turning to vain speculations about God, or inventing your own God, why not accept his own revelation of himself and take him as he is. God is Holy and a consuming fire to sin.
The Midianites were destroyed for their wickedness, their sin. Such passages seem irreconcilable with a God of love, but not to those with spiritual insight - http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=763
How about burning the people of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 19:24-25). Peter says it is an example of what is going to happen again, in our future, but this time on a massive scale (2 Peter 2:6).
It's an inconvenient truth for some, but the "slain of the LORD will be from one end of the earth to the other" (Jeremiah 25:33). Isaiah calls it his "strange act" (Isaiah 28:21). Strange behavior indeed for a God of love - or is it?
The God of the Bible does not promise sunshine and lollipops. He is not a cosmic Santa Claus who will give us anything we want, or accept any behavior. His desire is to purify us, to make us fit for heaven, to transform us to his own image (2 Cor. 3:18). He doesn't exist to lavish us in creature comforts, tolerate our sin, or fulfill our worldly desires.
Theologians and philosophers frame this issue in terms of antecedent will versus consequent will. God would prefer to have us live in a garden of Eden, wallowing in eternal bliss. However, he created us with free will and we chose a path of sin and rebellion. He responds with a plan of salvation that involves faith, repentance, discipline, and a process of sanctification.
Sin causes suffering and God is determined to eradicate it from the universe. He created men (and angels) with free will and allowed a set amount of time before bringing all things into judgment.
Unlike reincarnation and the wheel of Karma in Eastern mysticism, God says it is appointed unto men once to die, then the judgment (Hebrews 9:27). We reap what we sow not in cycles of death and rebirth but in judgment resulting in eternal life or death.(Matt. 25: 31-46).
Those who persist in wickedness will be destroyed but that is an act of love. comparable to mercy killing. Even from your own example, archeologists have dug up the bones of the pagan cultures Israel was commanded to exterminate, even the children were riddled with venereal disease. Sin and suffering go hand in hand, sin must be eradicated.
Peter 2:5 he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people…
Romans 6 For the wages of sin is death…
Ezekiel 33:11 - As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live.
So let me get this straight. You think you have the right to attack me, the Bible, Christians, and God himself, as many times as you like, but I am not allowed to respond?
Yet at the same time, you say you will respond to any challenge - lol.
Your ill logic is eclipsed by your self-aggrandizing, only your factual errors and ignorance are more grievous.
I was quite happy to simply post resources here exposing the Vatican until you equated Christ to Krishna, said "the plan" was Masonic (when Q has exposed the Masons), said the Bible was written by Gnostics, then attacked God himself.
Why don't you take your own advice and keep your posts centered on the Vatican. Stop attacking authentic Christians fighting the Vatican and I wouldn't have to respond.
Regarding your last rant that attacked God Almighty himself for his treatment of the Midianites, did it ever occur to you that the current troubles we have now with child sacrifice cults and the Babylonian Priesthood in Rome and Jerusalem, might have been averted if the Jews had listened to God and carried out his instructions?
Instead of you viewing it as the orders of an evil God, can't you see that these were the orders of a good and holy God who was trying to prevent evil and suffering? Don't you know what those pagan cults were doing to kids and are still doing today?
Psalm 106 34-46 "They did not destroy the peoples as the Lord had commanded them, but they mingled with the nations and adopted their customs.
They worshiped their idols, which became a snare to them. They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to false gods.
They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was desecrated by their blood…
…Many times he delivered them, but they were bent on rebellion and they wasted away in their sin. Yet he took note of their distress when he heard their cry; for their sake he remembered his covenant and out of his great love he relented. He caused all who held them captive to show them mercy."
Both of us are appealing to authority. Mine is the word of God, trained Christian apologists, and Christian resources that represent the truth as I understand it.
The authority for your assertion is a Swami and a Catholic Monk. Both of us are appealing to authority, the only question is which are credible?
I already linked a noted Christian Apologist who hails from India and has written a book refuting your assertions about Krishna .>>3928615 >>3931621
Here is another scholarly refutation - Krishna and Christ: Debunking the Parallels between Jesus and Krishna by Ronald V. Huggins, B.F.A., Th.D. http://bib.irr.org/krishna-and-christ-debunking-parallels-between-jesus-and-krishna
Here is a video on the etymological difference in their names since you have specifically evoked that bogus argument - https://youtu.be/WWQij0r8DW4
Here is a video highlighting the differences between Christ and Krishna and exposing the false claims about similarities - https://youtu.be/A6vtA5O5Ako
Here is a video examining "Christ and Krishna" a book by the Swami Bhaktipada in which he vainly attempts to synthesize the teaching of Jesus Christ and the teachings of Krishna Consciousness - https://youtu.be/GxVPDJuFrBc
Another book about that author Bhaktipada, called "Monkey on a Stick", validated rumors of chauvinism, guns, child abuse, drug use and drug dealing, dishonest gurus, death threats and murder in ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness).
It reveals that Bhaktipada, who was a devotee of your illustrious Swami Prabhupada and perhaps his most influential American convert, was fined $250,000 and received a twenty-year federal prison sentence for racketeering and conspiracy in two murders. (you will know them by their fruits - Jesus) https://www.amazon.ca/Monkey-Stick-Murder-Madness-Krishnas/dp/0151620865
The Hare Krishna cult is just that, a cult. The embedded video examines the teachings of your illustrious Swami that you refer to as "His Divine Grace".
Your assertion that the Masons are behind the plan has already been refuted by QANON. >>3911705
I will agree with you that at the time of George Washington the American branch of Masonry was relatively benign and in fact worried about corruption by the Jesuits. However, its character changed over time and not for the better.
That the craft had upper degrees written by Jesuits and is Luciferian at the top, is supported by many sources. There is a great deal of disinformation and speculation circulating around the Masons but it is clear that the Church at one time excommunicated those involved in it but now Popes and Prelates are part of it.
That is because the Jesuits now control it, not the other way around. Any conflict between the Church and Masonry is like WWF wrestling. It is controlled opposition, even the Orangemen fell under their spell and were neutered and neutralized by a system of lodges and degrees.
Masonry is Luciferian - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/16
The Jesuit Connection to Freemasonry - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/17
This is one of several interviews by Sarah Westall with an NYPD detective nicknamed Jimmy "Boots" Rothstein. He has credibility with people on Voat who have verified him through family in New York. His story about corruption in the Catholic Church, pedophilia, and extortion, is in line with what is known about their operations worldwide. Assuming he is being honest, there are several things I find interesting.
1) He claims to be a Catholic fighting pedophilia in the Catholic Church.
2) He claims to have seen hard evidence of a program going back to the 1930s to empower pedophiles in the Church.
3) He names some names, so it should not be hard to verify at least some parts of his story. Interestingly, he claims to have known Roy Cohn who was somewhat of a mentor to Donald J. Trump, at least in legal matters.
4) He has stated (In a different interview) that Trump is quite savvy and doing a great job behind the scenes of bringing down the big players. He also says there are many good cops and agents fighting this evil and they ay a price for it.
5) Perhaps because he was raised Catholic, he doesn't seem to be aware that pedophilia and corruption have been occurring in that institution for centuries. However, he seems to be in the know when it comes to recent history.
That was quite a long spiel to extol your virtues, cover your previous errors, and commit yet another ad hominem attack.
Unfortunately, none of that does anything to prove your assertions, or justify your vitriol. It is just another meaningless rant promoting fallacies and hate.
In addition to your previous heresies, you are now promoting Gnostic Gospels, alien Gods, and once again displaying your disdain for the God of the Bible.
I had hoped you would bring the thread back to attacking the anti-Christ in Rome, but your true intentions are evident. So be it, to dispel your latest delusional artifice, here is some pertinent information.
In "Against Heresies", around 180 AD, Irenaeus went to great lengths to present the theologies of the various Gnostic schools in order to refute them biblically and logically.
Robert M. Grant has noted that "the religious realities which the Church proclaimed were ultimately perverted by the Gospel of Thomas. For this reason, Thomas, along with other documents which purported to contain secret sayings of Jesus, was rejected by the Church." Robert M. Grant with David Noel Freedman, The Secret Sayings of Jesus (Garden City, NY: Doubleday and Company, Inc., 1960), 115.
If you would like to learn more about why Gnosticism is heresy and why books like the Gospel of Thomas should be rejected, watch the embedded video and read the linked PDF file - http://www.equip.org/PDF/DG040-2.pdf
Attached is a list of Masons from the Bulletin de l'Occident Chrétien Nr.12, July 1976, (Directeur Pierre Fautrad a Fye - 72490 Bourg Le Roi.) If this list is accurate, Canon Law 2338 required these high ranking Catholic prelates to be excommunicated. They were not of course.
If the list is factual, this also would mean that Pope John Paul II was voted in by a Freemason (Cardinal Sebastiano Baggio) and handed the keys to the Roman Catholic Church by a Freemason (Cardinal Jean Villot).
However, John Paul II reaffirmed the prohibition against Masonry (on November 27, 1983) - http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html
So, either this well circulated list is totally fraudulent or the amount of hypocrisy and pretense at the Vatican is absolutely staggering. Considering the Vatican's well-known ties to the P2 lodge, I believe it to be the latter. In fact, the Vatican's association with Masonry was made famous by the highly publicized events which led to the book and movie "The Bankers of God: The Calvi Affair" - http://www.get.moviefullstream.online/movie/tt0212797
Interestingly, those events were also briefly referenced in the Al Pacino movie Godfather III, which QANON has referenced many times. One thing is certain, some type of shenanigans between the Vatican, CIA, and Mafia have been ongoing and the Masons are connected. For example, the gruesome details of Calvi's murder fit the Masonic penalties for betraying one of their blood oaths. Operation Gladio is further evidence of high-level criminality and strange bedfellows doing dirty deeds in the dark - https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio
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As I have said before, your true intent and motivation are evident and your foul mouth rants do nothing to prove your assertions. They only reveal your character.
I agree with QANON that evil is everywhere. That is biblical (Matthew 13:30). I also agree with him that there are corrupt elements in ALL powerful organizations. I did not say the Masons are the main problem, they are just misguided tools of the Jesuits. The Vatican is the real problem but even within that system, there are good and evil factions.
In fact, God is calling HIS people out from that system before he destroys it. "Come out, my people! Come out from her! You must not take part in her sins; you must not share in her punishment!" (Rev. 18:4).
Authentic Christians identified the Papacy as the evil anti-Christ system of prophecy centuries ago and the main movement fighting them is over 500 years old now. Unfortunately, all the Protestant Churches have all been corrupted and infiltrated by the Jesuits. I can't find a church to attend that teaches biblical Christianity without false teachings mixed in.
This too was foretold by God. In prophecy, a woman is used to represent a Church, a harlot is a corrupt Church and a virtuous woman symbolizes the true Chruch. The whore of Babylon has harlot daughters, representing the mother Church of Rome and the corrupt Churches that sprang from it.
Biblically, the word translated as Church can refer to a congregation or group of believers. It doesn't necessarily mean the building or institution, though most people take that meaning. Authentic Christianity is not an institution, denomination, or Church (as most people understand the word). Anyone who has faith in Christ and is born of the Spirit is a Christian. Affiliations in worldly terms do not define who is a member of the mystical body of Christ, represented by a virtuous woman (Eph. 5:27, 2 Cor. 11:2).
I don't know if you are a paid shill or just a troll that gets their jollies spewing hatred and disinformation. Your Gnostic, Alien God, Hare Krishna, Luciferian, Masonic Shill mantra is wearing thin. If you wish to syncretize all those disparate beliefs as your religion and promote it as the truth, be my guest. I believe in freedom of religion!!! However, you might convince more people of your superior spirituality if you stop profaning and mocking God with foul mouth rants.
It looks like the pedos are circling the drain as prosecutors are closing in.
There was a major raid against the office of Cardinal Daniel DiNardo, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in Houston - https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/11/28/cardinal-dinardos-office-raided-prosecutors-abuse-case?fbclid=IwAR0MOYzkBzuTGZPp8t2FmmpG6gRPEraw0ew1zpazA9RaJxVks3Aomd8Pjjs
Also the New Mexico attorney general served a search warrant to obtain records from the Archdiocese of Santa Fe - https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/new-mexico-attorney-general-serves-search-warrant-santa-fe-archdiocese?fbclid=IwAR1amSIT2_z7LOrHxadxoKdPJC6z4Rv-M-lnHT7oiVoUAIa7qlQW0aVDSYg
Kevin Shipp is a former CIA operative and was a Catholic in college. In the embedded video he is interviewing an investigative reporter, Paul L. Williams, who is a longtime Catholic, a journalist, and the author of books like "Operation Gladio", "The Vatican Exposed", and "Among the Ruins: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Catholic Church".
There is some interesting information brought out by these two men that corroborates other sources pointing to the Vatican's ties to the CIA and the Mafia. They discuss money laundering, drug running, terrorism, false flags, and human trafficking.
Operation Gladio, in particular, is a portal into a dark place. It is ongoing, version 2 or Gladio B, has been exposed by whistleblowers like Sibel Edmonds as the mechanism through which the 911 attacks occurred.
When the "Drain the Swamp" operations move past the political puppets and insiders to middle management, I predict the Atlantic Council will come into focus as a front group. Behind them, the Vatican will be seen pulling the strings through the CFR, NATO, the CIA, the mafia, and secret societies.
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I agree there are many lying, obfuscating, evil and fake Christians. Christ called them wolves in sheep's clothing and said you will know them by their fruits (Matt. 7:15).
The Apostle Paul said they are servants of Satan masquerading as servants of righteousness (2 Cor. 11:15)
However, let us not forget there are also authentic Christians. Counterfeit bills do not invalidate the existence of genuine currency.
Let us also not forget that in their own writings high-level Masons admit to lying and obfuscating to purposely mislead.
"Masonry, …conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead…" ["Morals and Dogma", p. 104-5)
You will find that full statement and many more like it compiled on this document - http://omega77.tripod.com/lyingmasons.pdf
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I still see no evidence to support your assertion that the plan is Masonic. Punching strawmen does nothing to further your claim, why don't you deal with the REAL arguments made against that assertion?
1) QANON has outed the Masons as bad actors.>>3911705
2) There is quite a bit of evidence that the upper degrees are Luciferian and Jesuit controlled. This was brought out here >>4015950 and >>4054950
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As for Springmeier's interpretation of QANON's posts, I am a Christian and I certainly don't agree with him on all points. My thoughts are more in line with this article - https://pinkbunnies.club/whiterabbit/blog/14/pope-or-payseur
I think the primary focus should be on the Papacy, not the families and entities that get rich and powerful by cooperating with it.
Following the bloodline families back to Rome may help expose some of their financial and power structures but the fall of Rome will end all that anyway. So why not just crush the head of the snake and let the body die also?
Rev. 18:15 "The merchants who sold these things and GAINED THEIR WEALTH FROM HER will stand far off, terrified at her torment."
James 5:3 "Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and consume your flesh like fire. You have hoarded treasure in the last days."
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I can't speak for QANON and some subjects are left cryptic enough to keep people guessing. Who is P and who is he saving for last? Some honest researchers say Israel, some say the Pope, some say the Payseur family, some say [p] is Pindar.
What I know for an absolute certainty is that God identified the anti-Christ system in prophecy and it is the Papacy. From his posts, it does seem that QANON is aware of the Vatican's true nature, especially post 851 - https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/563179.html#563386
The list of Jesuit Priests is up to 153 and growing and yes they are still attempting to hold back some.
There are many other lists of abusive clergy they are being forced to produce and the sheer scope and size of the ongoing federal and state investigations is unprecedented.
However, the Achilles heel that is proving to be their downfall centers on Cardinal Theodore McCarrick. He hasn't been in the news cycle lately but don't miss the fact that his situation is a key factor in all of this.
He is more than an old abusive cleric who was shamed and forced out. As Archbishop of Washington, D.C. he was a power player with ties to high level corruption.
One of the fund raising operations he was involved with is called the Papal Foundation. The shenanigans surrounding it are under scrutiny and it is registered in Pennsylvanian, ground central for federal investigation into the Church and source of the scathing Attorney General report showing the abuse of over a thousand victims.
This situation has produced an opportunity for the DOJ to show grounds for a RICO act investigation. If they follow the money, they will find that the Papal Foundation and many others are "slush funds" and some of the biggest names in the American Church are involved.
Men like Cardinals Sean O’Malley, Blase Cupich, Daniel DiNardo, Timothy Dolan, Roger Mahony, Adam Maida, Justin Rigali, Joseph Tobin, and Donald Wuerl.
The feds have already branched out with investigations outside Pennsylvania, such as in Buffalo and the raid on DiNardo the head of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops in Texas. This is in addition to a growing number of statewide Attorney General investigations, over 15 at last count.
Besides the legal jeopardy, an even more damaging blow was struck due to McCarrick's escapades. The testimony of Carlo Maria Viganò, former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States, showed complicity by high ranking prelates up to and including the Pope.
The impact and gravity of this cannot be understated. It is driving lay Catholics to demand answers, to lose trust in their leaders, to reject official narratives, to wake up and investigate these things for themselves.
Catholics inside and outside the system are now galvanized and determined to root out the corruption. The hierarchy's worst enemies are those who consider themselves "faithful Catholics". Those who have morals and are aghast to discover that many of their spiritual leaders do not.
Still, many can't accept that the Catholic Church has always been corrupt and built upon doctrinal deception. The foundational lie of apostolic succession is deeply ingrained and cognitive dissonance seems to prevail when the bible conflicts with the magisterium. It seems hard for them to make the leap that they can be Christian without being Catholic.
An example is in the embedded video. Catholics discussing the evil system that engulfs them yet remaining Catholic. The insider information of the victim alone is worth the watch. Mafia style operations, payoffs in white envelopes, sexual perversion, on and on.
Christianity can be traced to Christ AD 33 but the apostate Catholic Church cannot. The claim of an unbroken line of apostolic succession back to Peter is laughable.
Don't take my word for it, here is a Catholic scholar trained at the Gregorianum in Rome. He is commenting on Matthew 16:18, the oft-quoted scripture used to claim Papal authority "I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church…" The very one you referenced with your graphic.
It may jolt Catholics to hear it, but " the great Fathers of the church saw no connection between it and the
pope. Not one of them applies ‘Thou art Peter’ to anyone but Peter.
One after another they analyze it: Cyprian, Origen, Cyril, Hilary, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine. They are not exactly Protestants. Not one of them calls the Bishop of Rome a Rock or applies to him specifically
the promise of the Keys…
The surprises do not stop there. For the Fathers, it is Peter’s faith - or the Lord in whom Peter has
faith - which is called the Rock, not Peter. All the Councils of the church from Nicaea in the fourth
century to Constance in the fifteenth agree that Christ himself is the only foundation of the church, that is,
the Rock on which the church rests.
Perhaps this is why not one of the Fathers speaks of a transference of power from Peter to those
who succeed him; not one speaks, as church documents do today, of an ‘inheritance’. There is no hint of
an abiding Petrine office.In so far as the Fathers speak of an office, the reference is to the episcopate in general." Peter De Rosa - Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy Pg. 23 (Free PDF download here - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/21)
A one-page commentary (by another Catholic) on this subject is here - http://churchvstate.org/Catholic/papalinfallibility.html
If you examine the linked content you will discover that the Catholic Church is built on lies and deception. In reality, the power of the Papacy was bequeathed by Justinian, the emperor of pagan Rome, not Christ - https://droitromain.univ-grenoble-alpes.fr/Anglica/CJ1_Scott.htm#2
Furthermore, after they rose to power they shrank from no sin to increase it. From wars to inquisitions to base fraud and forgery.
For example, the Donation of Constantine was used to support claims of political authority by the papacy. It is a proven forgery quoted by no less than 10 Popes, armies of prelates, and countless official publications - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine
So, not to put too fine a point on it, but the Catholic Church is based on a transfer of legal power from the Emperor of Pagan Rome to Papal Rome in the sixth century. Doctrinal deception based on twisted interpretations of scripture fleshed out the theological framework over time.
Wars, inquisitions, lies, and forgery were used to increase their power. Underneath the thin veneer of apostate Christianity, they harbor dark pagan practices and brutal political control systems. It is NOT the Church of Christ.
It is what God described it as in prophecy, the anti-Christ system, the little horn of Daniel, the power that claims the prerogatives of God and sits in place of Christ.
In my last post, I gave you a rather broad sweep. I think it might be helpful to you if I also provide a more "fine-grained" history of how the Papacy was formed.
Initially, the bishop of Rome had no more authority than any other bishop save for the prestige and influence his location, in the heart of the empire. It gradually increased in influence, culminating in the sixth century when "The Code of Justinian" Emperor Justinian issued his famous decree that made the Pope the legal "Head of all the Holy Churches".
The Edict of Milan in 313 had legalized Christianity but by then it was a Hellenized, bastardized form, syncretized with the paganism Rome had inherited from its conquests of preceding empires going all the way back to Babylon. The corruption was gradual and ongoing, eventually leading to the persecution of true Christians by the apostate Papal power which ruled Europe with an iron hand during the dark ages.
Again, don't take my word for it. Here is an article by a former Catholic Priest who does an adequate job of tracing the true history of the early Church and the papal apostasy.
History of the Early Church Invalidates Papal Claim of Apostolic Succession,” by Richard Bennett - http://www.the-highway.com/apostolic-succession_Bennett.html
That is a 10-month-old Q post from Feb. 15 2018 that you are repeating. Do you have some insights on it that you would care to share?
I have noted that Q has used the key to refer to more than one thing, like a common expression.
In post 2453:
THE SENATE WAS THE KEY.
Enjoy the show!
Q
In post 1636:
The key = therapist
Q
In post 520:
The MAP is the KEY
Q
Personally, I think all roads lead to Rome so no matter where you start on the MAP you can eventually find a connection to the Vatican. However, it is not easy to connect the dots when they isolate themselves through knighthoods, mafia families, secret societies, foundations, shell companies, and diplomatic immunity.
For me, the ultimate KEY is the Vatican. Long before Q started waking people, for centuries in fact, many have understood that the Papacy is the anti-Christ system. It has been beguiling the masses with religious pretense while manipulating governments and committing evil with impunity.
It is interesting that they claim to hold the KEYS of temporal and spiritual power and as Malachi Martin pointed out in his book "The Keys of this Blood" almost 30 years ago, the Papacy is trying to create a New World Order.
Qanon and Breitbart are reporting that Cardinal Pell has been convicted. The implications are staggering since he was the Vatican treasurer and the Pope's right hand man.
This means he was at a high enough level to know where the bodies are buried and we know when birds sing.
https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2018/12/12/australian-court-finds-cardinal-pell-guilty-of-sexual-abuse/
Cardinal Pell has to face yet another trial over abuse in the '70s. Here is a video exposing him - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_tz7DBEmiE
The "SPIN" that is put out about a hit job is just that - spin. It is a deflection to save face and deny guilt. It allows the pretense of holiness to continue but Pell, like many other princes of the Church, is a monster of guilt.
Not only is he a convicted pedophile himself, but he also covered up for pedophiles Priests and supported them, including his roommate the infamous prolific pedophile Gerald Ridsdale.
On top of that, he was the father of a redress scheme designed to protect the Church and silence the victims. Forcing them to sign a gag order in order to receive a paltry 50K settlement for their horrific suffering and destroyed lives.
Books, articles, and TV documentaries have been produced exposing him and before he was put on trial approximately 50 witnesses testified against him. However, you would rather believe that all of them are liars and all the evidence is fabricated?
Why? Just because they float a SPIN story that this is just a good conservative Catholic crusading against corruption who is being targeted. Give me a break!
He is a "purse holder" like Judas, in love with filthy lucre. While innocent children starve he lives like a king - https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/cardinal-george-pell-slammed-for-lavish-spending/news-story/dfc07e6d1f8c3dc1e174c0bd913a63f8
I can't say I like Tim Minchin's language and views on some issues but he absolutely "nailed it" when he produced the "Come Home Cardinal Pell" music video and used the proceeds to fly victims to Rome. They were there when he gave his false testimony to the world - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtHOmforqxk
Mr. Bergoglio's Neighborhood…
It's a lovely day in the neighborhood, a lovely day for a neighbor… All right kiddies… Can you say RICO? I knew you could…
"If they can prove torture, there are no statute of limitations laws to keep child abusers safe….
Human trafficking, child pornography and violations of the Mann Act, which covers child pornography and prostitution, could help build "a RICO case," according to David Hickton, a former U.S. attorney for the Western District of Pennsylvania from 2010 to 2017".
https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2018/12/12/pa-priest-abuse-five-things-federal-investigators-child-sexual-abuse-rico-statute-limitations-feds/2241713002/
Some conservative Catholics believe that the pedophilia by the Catholic clergy is a new phenomenon, the result of Vatican II and the shift away from traditional values. Nothing could be further from the truth.
They do not know the wicked history of the organization they are a part of and trust their leaders, men who rape children and launder mafia money, to tell them the truth, to educate their kids, to teach correct doctrine. They are naive and ignorant of the facts but this but this book may be the remedy.
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Sex, Priests, and Secret Codes - The Catholic Church's 2,000 Year Paper Trail of Sexual Abuse by A.W.Richard Sipe, Patrick J. Wall, Thomas P. Doyle
Quote: "…nor is it a new phenomenon that grew out of so-called secularizing trends of the late twentieth century. By reviewing a collection of documents from official and unofficial sources from 60 CE to the present, this book demonstrates that sexual abuse of minors is a deep-seated problem that spans the Church's history."
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Will people finally stand up to these monsters and do the right thing? We have the opportunity, finally, to end the pain. Huge investigations are ongoing, please support the effort, don't let the children be denied justice anymore.
45 states looking to pursue Catholic church for documents on abuse by priests, Pennsylvania attorney general says
Quote: "We are learning a lot of new information that we and other law enforcement agencies are investigating," Shapiro said. "Law enforcement, in many ways, is just getting started. I think we're probably in the third or fourth inning, meaning that we still have a good ways to go and a lot more horrors to unearth." - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/17/josh-shapiro-more-horrors-coming-catholic-clergy-abuse-scandal/2329159002/
I feel your pain. Though not Catholic, I am a Christian with a burden for souls. The fall of Rome will be most terrible for the poor deceived Catholics who for generations, for centuries, were told it was the one true Church.
In fact, the Papacy is the anti-Christ (in place of Christ) system hiding in plain sight, just as God described it in prophecy. Just as all the Protestant reformers taught before the counter-reformation stifled and corrupted the churches that sprang from their movement.
Unfortunately, you cannot remain within it and reform the institution, casting out the wicked so that only the pure remain. That is a fool's errand. God himself is calling his people out of it before he DESTROYS it (Revelation 18:4).
The reason you do not understand is because you have been deceived, you have been lied to, you have been manipulated, and most especially you have been denied a correct understanding of prophecy.
The Catholic faith is NOT the Christian faith. The so-called "deposit of faith" handed down by the magisterium is not the faith "once and for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 1:3-4).
If you have bought into the Petrine Office, if you think there is an unbroken line of infallible Popes going back to Peter, if you believe he was handed the "keys of the Kingdom", you need to start there. That is the foundation of the false religious system that has taken you captive.
Here is an article that can help you. It links to books and other articles, some by highly trained former Catholics. It dispels the false history Catholics are taught that is the source of Rome's power over them.
You should follow Christ, not the Pope(s), the Bible, not the catechism, the Holy Spirit's guidance, not the magisterium. For the sake of your soul, please read this and study out the links - https://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-vatican/upon-this-rock-christ-not-peter/2266913366674328/-
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Sorry the link was broken, here is a good one.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-vatican/upon-this-rock-christ-not-peter/2266913366674328/
I had hoped you would follow the link and unlearn the revisionist history you were taught about the early Church and understand the roots of the Papal Apostasy - https://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-vatican/upon-this-rock-christ-not-peter/2266913366674328/
Since you choose not to, I leave you to your ignorance. Your blood be upon your own head, I am innocent of it (Acts 18:6). You portray the needless wars, horrific inquisitions, and political corruption the Papal Apostacy has been responsible for, as a legacy of noble deeds. No doubt the centuries-old clerical pedophilia must be a particular source of pride for you. Are you blind to it? Are you that deceived?
The Bible was not given to us by the Catholic Church. That is another false claim made in a vain attempt to establish their authority. The Old Testament came via the Jews, not Christians. The New Testament books were in existence in their present form at the close of the apostolic age, long before the Roman Catholic Church was established (as you can learn at the above link).
Catholics argue that since the Council of Hippo in 390 A.D. proclaimed which books were actually inspired and placed them in one volume, all are indebted to the Catholic Church for the New Testament and can accept it only on their authority. The first problem with that false claim is that the church of 390 was not the Roman Catholic Church. The council consisted of North African Bishops, Rome had nothing to do with it.
The second falsehood is that in the proceedings of the Council of Hippo, the bishops did not mention nor give the slightest hint that they were for the first time "officially" cataloging the books of the Bible for the world. It was not until the fourth session of the Council of Trent (1545-1563) that the bishops and high ranking officials of the Catholic Church "officially" cataloged the books they thought should be included in the Bible and bound them upon the consciences of all Catholics. (See Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, pp. 17-18).
As a matter of fact, the apostles themselves put their writings into circulation. "And when this letter has been read among you, see that it be read in the church of the Laodiceans also; and that you yourselves read the letter from Laodicea." (Col. 4:16). "I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read to all the holy brethren." (1 Thess. 5:27). The Holy Scriptures were written for all (1 Cor. 1:2; Eph. 1:1) and all will be judged by them in the last day (Rev. 20:12; John 12:48). Jesus said that His Word will abide forever (Matt. 24:35; 1 Pet. 1:23-25).
Furthermore, the Catholic CLAIM of giving the Bible to the world cannot be true because they have not been the sole possessor of the Bible at any time. Some of the most valuable Greek Bibles and Versions have been handed down to us from non-Roman Catholic sources. A notable example of this is the Codex Sinaiticus which was found in the monastery of St. Catherine (of the Greek Orthodox Church) at Mount Sinai in 1844 and is now in the British Museum. It contains all of the books of the New Testament and all but small portions of the Old Testament. Scholars are certain that this manuscript was made early in the fourth century, not later than 350 A.D. This manuscript found by a German scholar named, Tishendorf, who was a Protestant, and this manuscript which is the most complete of all has never been in the hands of the Roman Catholic Church.
The above information is expanded on at a number of online sites, including this one - http://www.fountainofgrace.us/index.php?page=did-the-roman-catholic-church-give-us-the-bible
However, if you would like a more scholarly work on the canon might I recommend - https://www.christianbook.com/the-canon-of-scripture/f-f-bruce/9780830812585/pd/1258?event=AFF&p=1011693&
The investigations are ongoing. They are attempting to hold back names, to cover-up, shred files, hide assets, move perpetrators but none of it can undo the damage or prevent the judgment that is coming upon them. It's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The ship is going down, it is "sink or swim" time.
Quote: "Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan on Wednesday issued a blistering report about clergy sexual abuse, saying that Catholic dioceses in Illinois has not released the names of at least 500 clergy accused of sexually abusing children…
The Illinois disclosures are a new blow to the credibility of the church, which has struggled to contain the scandal amid mounting accusations of negligence. In August, a Pennsylvania grand jury report alleged that hundreds of priests abused at least 1,000 children over seven decades in that state.
Here is the link - http://www.startribune.com/illinois-investigation-finds-500-more-clergy-abuse-cases/503161481/
Bill Donahue is famous for defending unspeakable dregs. He makes almost half a million a year doing so and his sordid outfit is worth about $35.
He is even more obnoxious and disgusting on video than in print. Even many Catholics find his rabid hate-filled rants unbearable and his obvious bias stultifies him in the eyes of every thinking man.
He opposed a bill which would have required clergy to report suspected child abuse. He also refused to acknowledge that dead babies were being through in the sewage systems of Catholic-run orphanages in Ireland, even though the government uncovered the sites. There is nothing he won't defend or deny for money.
What is the "playbook" in use by the Catholic Clergy that allows them to rape children and cover it up? There are actually three identifiable layers I would like to draw attention to.
1) The following article reveals a widespread seven-step cover-up process exposed by the investigation into the horrors in Pennsylvania.
Quote: The main thing was not to help children, but to avoid 'scandal.' That is not our word, but theirs.'
The FBI's National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime found that the church used a number of techniques for avoiding bringing attention to assault claims.
Such as never using words such as rape in reference to such claims, but simply calling them 'boundary issues' or 'inappropriate contact' - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6072767/How-Catholic-church-used-playbook-cover-abuse.html
2) Beneath those techniques is an underlying directive straight from Rome.
While Pope Francis plays holy man for the cameras with feigned outrage and vaunted orders for Priests to turn themselves in, he well knows the official Church policy in these matters (since 1962) has been the directive called "Crimen Sollicitationis".
Texan lawyer Daniel Shea described it in these terms: 'These instructions went out to every bishop around the globe… It proves there was an international conspiracy by the Church to hush up sexual abuse issues. It is a devious attempt to conceal criminal conduct and is a blueprint for deception and concealment.' - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/aug/17/religion.childprotection
3) However, for the latest "dog and pony" show tune into Cardinal Blase Cupich who is the Pope's point man for the upcoming synod on abuse in February.
Believe it or not, his recommendation is to have the Bishops investigate themselves. The “metropolitan model” where the bishops answer to the metropolitan archbishop - https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/cupich-and-wuerl-collaborated-on-alternative-sex-abuse-proposal-10934
Excuse me, but don't Bishops already answer to their boss and isn't that the way the cover-ups are currently conducted, by "in-house" investigations that protect the Institution rather than the children?
This cover-up artist is the man the Pope has picked to lead the charge against abuse. He is the same man the state attorney general just caught hiding over 500 abusive Priests in Illinois. What does this say about the Pope's latest empty promises? http://www.newser.com/story/268859/illinois-ag-names-of-500-accused-priests-kept-hidden.html
The Jesuits have an army of historians infiltrating the world's universities and writing revisionist books. Here is a well written and referenced PDF with an examination of the changing perspectives. It's conclusion "If one were to determine blame for the atrocities of the Crusades, the bulk would be placed on the Roman Catholic Church and its popes during that time. While succeeding in enriching and empowering themselves as well as selling the lie of the forgiveness of sins for those joining a Crusade, the popes failed to impress basic human decency on the crusaders, resulting in the terrible atrocities committed by the crusaders – such as the slaughter of Jews and other Christians, as well as Muslims who surrendered in battle, to name but a few… - http://www.scielo.org.za/pdf/hts/v74n1/09.pdf
The most odious revisionist manipulations of the Jesuits involve rewriting the history of the crusades, inquisitions, wars, and colonial conquests, to cover the Vatican's bloodsoaked history. They assign noble motivations and downplay atrocities, fudge the numbers, provide alternative narratives, hide involvement.
They are not just attempting to erase their record of horrors during the dark ages but even their orchestration of WWI/WWII which has prompted QANON to write in post 1957:
Buy a history book published 20 years ago.
Buy a history book published 10 years ago.
Buy a history book published this year.
Compare.
Focus on WWI/WWII
Something ALARMING will be discovered.
Q
Q also posted a link in post 851 connecting the Vatican with the Nazi's and the CIA - https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170004-5.pdf
He said one word "LEARN" but Catholic shills would rather peddle their revisionist history than accept that the institution they claim represents Christianity is nothing but a front for evil. The pretense of holiness, the religious pomp and ceremony, the endless deceptions, cannot hide their wicked deeds in the digital age. They are being exposed worldwide.
Forget the Crusades, the Vatican is using the Muslims right now, staging false flags like 911 and other Gladio 2 operations to justify wars in the mid-East. Wake up and smell the brimstone!!!
The only real difference between Operation Gladio and Gladio 2 is that Muslims were substituted for fascists but it is still the Vatican running the show. They are using corrupt elements of the CIA, the Mafia, the P2 lodge, secret societies and knighthoods, to effect control. Learn about how things really work behind the scenes - https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio/B
Why do you think false flags and bogus intelligence were used to manipulate the US into spending trillions of dollars and spilling the blood of their noblest sons bombing the hell out of the mid-east?
Gen. Wesley Clark. Retired 4-star US Army general. Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the Kosovo War outlined how he was told just after 911, before they even began bombing in Afghanistan, there was a plan to topple Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran.
What drove that agenda? Who provided the false intelligence about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Who conducted the 911 false flag? Who benefitted from the agenda? What is the "Atlantic Alliance"? What is it a front for? Are they under the CFR umbrella? Keep going… all roads do indeed lead to Rome!
The original mission was ostensibly to create "stay-behind" operations of armed resistance to the communists but Gladio was never used for that. Instead, they were used to conduct false flag operations for political objectives. This included killing thousands of people in Italy and blaming it on terrorists.
The clandestine activities under this umbrella include narcotics trafficking, counterfeiting, money laundering, gun running, mass murder, and instigating wars. ISIS and 911 are Gladio Operations. They have nothing to do with communism but have everything to do with Islam, mid-east wars, and the current Muslim migration.
You say Mary told Catholics to attack Russia - lol. The bodily assumption of Mary wasn't invented until 1950 when Pope Pius XII "infallibly" pronounced it in Munificentissimus Deus. It is not in the bible and was argued against by previous popes. Whatever appeared in Portugal might have been the devil in disguise but it certainly wasn't Mary.
So, after blaming the supposed Marian apparition you move on to the old tried and true Catholic shill mantra - blame the Jews. The Vatican has a long history of employing "Court Jews" and "Capos" to do their dirty work, the Rothschilds and Soros are prime examples.
Not all Catholics are as blind as you, here is one who wrote a book on this subject - "Operation Gladio: The Unholy Alliance between the Vatican, the CIA, and the Mafia" by Paul L. Williams - https://www.amazon.ca/Operation-Gladio-Alliance-between-Vatican/dp/1616149744
"Williams argues that Operation Gladio soon gave rise to the toppling of governments, wholesale genocide, the formation of death squads, financial scandals on a grand scale, the creation of the mujahideen, an international narcotics network, and, most recently, the ascendancy of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a Jesuit cleric with strong ties to Operation Condor (an outgrowth of Gladio in Argentina) as Pope Francis I." (Pay attention to the Operation Condor part, that will become important soon enough - lol).
If you take a look at the link I initially gave to Operation Gladio B you will see that ISIS and Muslim terrorism and wars in the mid-east have been the recent focus of Gladio - https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio/B
As Q pointed out with this link, the Vatican was behind the Nazis and the horrors perpetrated by the rogue CIA (which did not earn the nickname "Catholics in Action" for nothing) - Vatican with the Nazi's and the CIA - https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170004-5.pdf
I am making absolutely no attempt to defend or malign individual Muslims. There are good and bad people caught up in that system just like there are good and bad people caught up in the Catholic system.
Both are false religious systems, two horns of the same devil, described in Daniel chapters 7 (Vatican) and 8 (Islam) of the Old Testament. However, you don't need a biblical perspective to understand what is going on.
What I am against is the preplanned, unjustified wars in the Middle East and the large-scale Muslim migration the current Pope is pushing. I am trying to tell you it is all part of a hidden globalist agenda exposed here for anyone to see (Catholic, Jew, Atheist, Muslim, or Christian) - https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio/B
So why would Mary tell them Russia needed to be "consecrated by the Pope" when they already have the Russian Orthodox Church? Do we have an example of a country "consecrated by the Pope" where an Orthodox Church already existed? Why indeed we do, Croatia in the 1940s. Is "attack" too strong a word? Perhaps you prefer "tender mercies" for forced conversions on pain of torture and death?
"Together with the destruction of Orthodox churches, Catholic ferocity struck at the very backbone of the Orthodox Church: i.e. at the Orthodox clergy. Orthodox priests were imprisoned, sent to concentration camps, hunted down, or simply massacred. Hundreds of them, including Orthodox Bishops, perished, only because they were priests of the religion hostile to the "true Church."
Orthodox priests, before being executed or hanged, were often horribly tortured—e.g. priest Branko Dobrosavljevich, from Veljun, who was compelled to read the obituary of his own son, whom the Ustashi first killed in his presence, this preceding his own torture and death… the old Bishop's beard was torn out, a fire lit on his naked chest, then, after prolonged torture, he and all his companions were killed with hatchets, and their bodies thrown into the Vrbanja River." The Vatican's Holocaust By Avro Manhattan - http://www.reformation.org/holoc7.html
Perhaps you say that account is simply Protestant propaganda exaggerating the "tender mercies" of Rome? One could possibly be forgiven for holding that view except that the Orthodox themselves have not forgotten. For example:
" the Religious Conversion Law that obliged the Orthodox to convert to Catholicism. It was Mile Budak who announced during his speech in Gospic on June 22, 1941: “We shall slaughter one-third of the Serbs, deport another third, and force the last third into Roman Catholicism… This is the atmosphere in which the “conversion”, or, to be more exact, the forced conversion of Serbs to Catholicism was being carried out… Franciscan monks carried out mass executions in the villages of Drakulic and Sargovac near Banja Luka where about 2,000 Serbs were slaughtered… According to the International Commission for the Truth on Jasenovac, 1,400 Catholic priests (two-thirds of the total number) were involved in the genocide. The barbarous cruelty of Catholic priests went beyond all bounds" Protodeacon Vladimir Vasilik - http://orthochristian.com/114594.html
So you posted a picture of Williams and that proves what? He is a self-professed Tridentine or traditionalist Catholic. The youtube video I referenced was taken down (naturally) but his religious affiliation was expressed in it >>4088092 If you don't believe that go here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_L.Williams(author)
Then you go back to your "blame the Jews game". It is well known that the Vatican uses Court Jews and capos to carry out their dirty work. That ruse only works on the ignorant.
That the little horn of Daniel 7 represents the Papacy has been widely taught for over 500 years, so it is not MY interpretation. Rome tried with inquisitions and wars to kill off the Protestants. They also tried to deceive with futurism and preterism, yet the historicist interpretation of prophecy the reformers taught is still alive.
I do have an agenda here and that is to expose the evils of the Vatican. If you wish to defend them as paragons of virtue, be my guest. I don't think Catholic defenders can keep up the charade much longer but it is amusing to see you try. Tick-tock.
>The Catholic church consist of Catholics which forms the body of Christ's Church.
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>>b..but Catholics killed communists..
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>Yeah we also killed Muslims , Protestants, Witches and Satanists,
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>We are looking to go to heaven but if you insist on seeking Hell, we'll eventually show you the way.
You have proved my point with your words. Rome has been vilifying and killing those who oppose its heresies and corruption for centuries. It still does so through its agents and schemes like Operation Gladio. The Popes emissaries have also been raping innocent children the world over as has been proven time and time again. However, judgment is coming, Rev. 17-18 will play out and Rome will be destroyed just as God said.
The body of Christ is formed of Christians, not Catholics. Popery is apostate, a syncretism of Christianity with paganism that developed into a corrupt political control system. The Vatican sullies the name of Christ with its despotism and depravity.
Rev.18: 5-8 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities… Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Do you really want to talk about numbers? The John Jay College (JCC) study was commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. It is bought and paid for propaganda that lowballs the numbers and frames the Church in the best possible light. It puts the average around 4% and the Pope was widely reported to have admitted to 2%.
However, in Australia where a Royal Commission into historic sex abuse has compiled statistics, it was found that in the Diocese of Sale it was 15.1% and fully 40% of the St John of God order were found to be pedophiles. That is just the ones we know about as this type of crime is grossly unreported. The figures are well above the normal population which has a rate of .5 to 1% according to experts.
The Roman Catholic Church is lying about the numbers and protecting the abusers. Even Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro said. … The church "fought us every step of the way…" In the most recent revelation, 500 abusive priests were hidden in Illinois by the man the Pope has chosen to head the upcoming summit on abuse.
Let's not even talk about Ireland and studies like the Cloyne report. Even Edna Kenny, the conservative Catholic leader of the country denounced the Vatican over the systemic abuse - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j53UhvXMSk
You continue to blame the Jews, the Muslims, the Protestants, the Masons, the Satanists, but none of those groups are responsible for the vile deeds of the Catholic clergy. It is also laughable that you vilify the Muslims and try to justify the past crusades against them, yet your current Pope is pushing for a mass migration of Muslims into Europe. If they are so wicked and objectionable, why is he flooding Europe with them?
I am not hiding my religious affiliation, I have already stated in this thread that I am a Christian. However, there is something being hidden by you that is exposed here - https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/grand-jury-report-about-catholic-priest-abuse-pennsylvania-shows-church-ncna900906
As the article states, the Catholic Church is a is a criminal syndicate, a pedophile ring. In Pennsylvania alone, the Catholic church hierarchy systematically covered up the abuse of at least 1,000 kids by 300 priests. Ongoing investigations are showing similar situations exist all across the country and indeed the world. So you can lie and deny all you like, judgment is coming.
>I believe the Plan is MASONIC… How about you? :D
Really? The Masons have been outed by Q just as the Catholic Church has been. That has been addressed in this thread already.
The highest degrees were written by the Jesuits and they are Luciferian at the top. Why don't you take Q's advice and follow the symbolism?
Coincidence?
Everything stated has meaning.
Find paper articles re: Freemasons.
Controlled.
Q
Why are Freemasons on the scene of most shooting locations?
Openly giving interviews or in background shots?
Symbolism will be their downfall.
Q
Masonry is Luciferian - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/16
The Jesuit Connection to Freemasonry - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/17
For those who don't see the connection between Catholicism and Masonry, I would like to once again point you to evidence supplied by Q.
QANON posted just one word "LEARN" and linked this very important article from the CIA website - Vatican with the Nazi's and the CIA - https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170004-5.pdf
Perhaps it was too lengthy a read, or did it not fit your current paradigm so you discarded it?
Let me make it easy for you. In the attached pictures is a graphic with some select screenshots pulled from the SMOM section of the PDF.
They relate to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta (SMOM) which is a Catholic knighthood. There is also a Masonic York Rite degree called "Order of Knights of Malta" but the obvious simularity is not our focus here.
Rather, it is the connections between SMOM, the P2 Masonic lodge, banking, and intelligence organizations.
It is interesting that these connections were made public by the Calvi affair, spawning books and movies including "The Bankers of God: The Calvi Affair". Also, Godfather III, which Q has repeatedly referenced, touches on this scandal.
Instead of shilling for "Muh Masons" why don't you take the time to see how the high levels work behind the scenes and who they are connected to?
It may not fit with your preconceptions but it was not long in America that the two became intertwined. In fact the man who built the White House was both a Catholic and a Mason.
He was a devout Roman Catholic as well as an ardent Freemason… Under Hoban's leadership, a number of Irish Catholics and Scotch Presbyterians organized Federal Lodge No. 1 in Washington, D.C. of which Bro. Hoban was first Master. That Lodge participated in the laying of the cornerstone of the Capitol by Bro. George Washington. Bro. Hoban was also High Priest of the Royal Arch Chapter in 1799. http://limasons.blogspot.com/2006/09/bro-james-hoban-irish-catholic-mason.html
Canon 68 of the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215, presided over by Pope Innocent III, forced the Jews to be distinguished by their dress. Pope Paul IV issued the papal decree Cum Nimis Absurdum, on July 14, 1555, which subjected Jews to many restrictions and humiliations, including forcing them into ghettos.
During the Spanish Inquisition, conversion of Jews, Muslims, and Christians, to Popery, was forced on pain of torture and death. That some Jews became false converts is true. That some were recruited by the Jesuits if true. That Jews created or control the Jesuits is not true.
That is an unwarranted and unprovable extrapolation. Historical narratives are often driven by bias and agendas. "An argument which proves too much proves nothing" - M. M. Mangasarian
Before this subject can be explored at all, one must define terms. Are we talking about ethnic Jews, some have no religious affiliation at all. Are we talking about Rabbinic Jews, they are polluted by the Babylonian Talmud. Are we talking about one of the sects that follow the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) exclusively?
Biblically speaking, none of them have any part in Israel, since the children of Abraham are not by birth but are reckoned by faith in the promised seed (Christ) who would come and ratify the covenant (Romans 9:8, Daniel 9:27, Galatians 3:16).
That being said, the premise that Jewish kabbalists would find a home among Jesuit occultists is no strange thing, since it is Babylon they hold in common. The torture forced no one to become Christian, it forced them to become Catholic, so let us make sure we define "conversos" and "Marranos" too. What form of Babylonian mysticism was being practiced in place of Judaism, while they pretended to be Catholic, which itself pretends to be Christian?
“The Jesuits have practiced not only Occultism but BLACK MAGIC in its worst form, more than any other body of men; and to it, they owe in large measure their power and influence.” – H. P. Blavatsky, “Theosophy or Jesuitism?”
The layers of deception are deep and if you check the source of this teaching you will find Jesuit trained historical revisionists are pushing it. It ties in with the Jesuits ultimate deception of futurism.
It was Rome that conquered subjected the Jews, not the other way around. It has always been Rome identified by God in prophecy as the power that would dominate the world as the anti-Christ system. Who is torturing who in the attached pictures, was it not the Catholics in control?
To determine who is telling the truth, study both history and the bible. Read and follow the links in this article and it may be helpful to you - https://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-vatican/the-foundation-of-zionism-and-the-great-delusion-of-the-end-times/1846755722023430/
There are many such pronouncements but what is put out as official policy and what is practiced are two different things. Duplicity rules the day.
You will note that the very first part of the SMOM section of the document Q pointed us to, acknowledges that such public statements exist, yet the collusion does also - https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170004-5.pdf
The high-level intrigue going on between the Vatican and the P2 masonic lodge is well known because it became exposed by the Calvi affair. However, even on lower levels, the prohibitions are not always taken seriously. In fact, here is a Masonic lodge in Italy with a priest as Chaplain - https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/masonic_lodge_in_italy_appoints_catholic_priest_as_chaplain_claims_openness_to_catholic_church
What is far more concerning is that Catholics and Masons together built Washington DC on Jesuit land that used to be called Rome, Maryland. Their occult symbols are everywhere, even in the street layouts. The Capital building itself sits inside a giant owl which is a prominent occult symbol.
The native constitution was subverted and the USA now functions more like a crown corporation under Roman law. The federal reserve cements their control financially, while their secret societies effect control through subversion.
If you are interested, here is a blog article here that goes into some of the history - https://pinkbunnies.club/whiterabbit/blog/9/the-united-states-shadow-government.
Shills will shill, and revisionists will revise. Still trying to justify the despotic acts of cruelty by your apostate Popes and slide the thread down past the truth you don't want people to learn. So be it.
It is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors (John Dowling, The History of Romanism, pp. 541-542)
“Their refusal to surrender the scriptures was an offense that the Papacy could not tolerate. The Papacy was determined to exterminate the heretics from the face of the Earth. The heretics greatest offense, was that they refused to worship God according to the will of the Pope. For this crime, the heretics suffered every humiliation, insult and torture that man could event.” (Fox’s Book Of Martyrs) Tortures: 1) Hanged and their genitals were cut off. 2) The mothers were whipped. 3) The women’s breast were ripped off. 4) They were tied up and fried in a large pan. 5) Their mouths were sewed shut. 6) They were placed into a pot of boiling water. 7) Their arms and legs were cut off. 8) Some had their eyes bored out.
On March 12, 2000, Pope John Paul II ADMITTED the Roman Catholic Church KILLED the Christians. This is the working of none other than Satan himself.
Watch the video. The ship is sinking the rats are turning on each other, it's only a matter of time now before your pedophile ring disguised as a Church is judged.
I pointed you to the truth that Q supplied, a document from the CIA website. If you don't like what it has to say take it up with Q, not me. The fact is the Vatican and Masons are in cahoots as that document and many others show - https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170004-5.pdf
If you would rather disbelieve and discard because it doesn't jive with your current paradigm there is a term for that - cognitive dissonance.
Dolan has been living in a 15,000-square-foot mansion on Madison Avenue, in one of the priciest corridors of Manhattan, but he will get the fate he deserves in the end - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10154334/Top-US-cardinal-Timothy-Dolan-paid-off-abusive-priests.html
>There is no factual history in your statements faggot.
You tell the anon there is no factual evidence and then deflect the blame to psychologists and downplay the abuse. Smooth move ex-lax…
This video reveals there were over 6,000 pages of documentation uncovered and Dolan (not the psychologists) was moving abusers around, covering up, and petitioning Rome for their blessing in doing so.
Stop lying in defense of unspeakable dregs. Have you no fear of God? You will soon enough! Tick-tock…
>What if God is an Alien?
>What if God has no sex? or both?!
>What if God is nothing like anyone has ever imagined because our little human musings pale in comparison to the awesome reality?
>and the Plan is Masonic :D
What if God is exactly who he claimed to be in the Bible and your rejecting him in favor of your vain imaginations was costing you your very soul?
What if you actually followed QANON's plan which as already exposed the Masons, instead of shilling for the Masons?
I have already linked to the very same prohibition against Masonry you posted way back here >>4054950
At that time 11/27/18, I said this "However, John Paul II reaffirmed the prohibition against Masonry (on November 27, 1983) - http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19831126_declaration-masonic_en.html
In fact, if you had been paying attention, I have made this point more than once. Since you seem to be either incapable or unwilling to acknowledge the truth, let me restate in a manner that should be crystal clear even to you.
At least 11 popes have made pronouncements condemning Freemasonry and pronouncing penalties of excommunication for Catholic freemasons. More recently, the language softened but the prohibition still exists and members are considered in a "state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion".
However, as I already stated back here at 12/30/18 >>4526597 that is official policy, not practice, duplicity rules the day. I said "You will note that the very first part of the SMOM section of the document Q pointed us to, acknowledges that such public statements exist, yet the collusion does also" - https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170004-5.pdf
As further evidence that the document QANON linked is making valid claims about SMOM collusion with the P2 lodge and Scottish Rite freemasonry, I pointed you to similar information.
For instance, there is currently a Preist who is a Chaplain in a Masonic lodge in Italy - https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/masonic_lodge_in_italy_appoints_catholic_priest_as_chaplain_claims_openness_to_catholic_church
In Washington, DC, the White House was built by a Catholic freemason who started a lodge there full of Catholics and Presbyterians. This was under the blessing of the Jesuit Bishop John Carroll who was immensely wealthy and donated the land of Rome Maryland that became Washington DC. I even supplied a link to a Masonic site for you to check that info - http://limasons.blogspot.com/2006/09/bro-james-hoban-irish-catholic-mason.htm
On top of all that, I have provided pictures of Masons and Catholics together in full dress, a list of known high ranking Catholic clergy who are Masons according to a Masonic source, and many posts by QANON pointing to the Masons as "bad actors" in this drama.
Let me put it in simpler terms, the feigned animosity between the Catholic Church and the Masons is like WWF wrestling. They put on a show for the crowd, then meet in the pub later for a beer. I have supplied evidence in previous posts that the Jesuits wrote the upper degrees.
I grant you that low-level Masons think they are part of a "do-gooder" fraternity that makes good men better. I also grant you that most rank and file Catholics are good sincere people. The trouble is both are decieved by the hierarchy.
In fact, I will supply (yet again) proof from a revered 33 degree Mason, Albert Pike, that you are being fed lies. "The Blue Degrees are but the outer court…of the temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretation. It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them…The true explanation is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (those of the 32nd and 33rd degrees)".
So what is the truth being hidden from the ranks below? He says "To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (33rd Degree Masons), we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees: 'The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine.' - https://www.resist.com/Onlinebooks/Pike-MoralsAndDogma.pdf
If they are Luciferian and self-admitted liars don't you think they are capable of being duplicitous about their associations? Do you think it is any better in the York Rite? They claim to be defenders of Christianity but they are defenders of false Christianity, Catholicism laden with gnostic principles and Babylonian mystery school occultism. If you don't believe me check their website or the screenshot I attached.
In effect, Masonry gives a person several paths, none of them lead to God. The Continental Branch of Freemasonry admits atheists and exalts reason. The Scottish Rite is syncretism with Luciferianism at the top levels. The York Rite exalts Catholicism and other unbiblical religions under their gnostic banner, yet claims to defend Christianity. The Shriners exalt Islam, so again, there is no path to authentic Christianity. Get out while you still can and renounce your blood oaths which, by the way, are prohibited by the word of God (Bible), as is making anyone but Christ your "Worshipful Master".
Do you understand the word "duplicity"? Do you understand "wolves in sheep's clothes"?
Do you think that those who have been caught covering-up and lying about pedophilia will not lie about their associations? Are you really that gullible?
Why don't you take a good hard look at where all this Masonic Gnostic Luciferianism originates. Rome is not called spiritual Babylon for nothing, it hides behind a thin veneer of apostate Christianity while practicing occultism, political control, and much darker things.
You have ignored the linked material already given in these posts because you prefer falsehoods.
While using doublespeak to both separate from while yet claim creation of and superiority over the Masonic degrees, these so-called defenders of the Christian (they mean Catholic) faith make this claim.
"The uniquely ancient and diverse heritage of Templar spirituality was fully disclosed to the Vatican, and officially endorsed by the Roman Catholic Church. This fact is evidenced by the Temple Rule of 1129 AD as a Papal Decree (Rule 3, Rule 7, Rule 8). This is further confirmed by the Papal Bull Omne Datum Optimum of 1139 AD."
The steps on the left side present the 33 Masonic Degrees of the Scottish Rite, with their “Grand” level on the top step of the 33rd degree. The steps on the right side present the Degrees of the York Rite, leading up to 3 higher levels of its Masonic Orders (“Masonic Bodies”), which are named after earlier Orders which are independent in their own right, including the “Order of the Red Cross” (styled after the Rosicrucians), and the “Order of Knights of Malta” (styled after the Sovereign Military Order of Malta).
At the top of the York Rite is the Masonic “Order of Knights Templar” (styled after the 12th century Order of the Temple of Solomon). The Templar figure of the York Rite uniquely occupies the highest level, on the same top step together with the “Grand” 33rd Degree of the Scottish Rite. This explains why the Scottish 33rd Degree is often described as a “Templar” Degree.
This evidences that Freemasonry recognizes the Knights Templar as inherently being the highest possible level of sacred knowledge available to all Freemasons. It also confirms that the Order of the Temple of Solomon does not need any “degrees”, because all Templars are already at the highest level of initiation, equally all 33rd degree masters, by virtue of being members of the original medieval chivalric Order which embodies the most ancient sacred knowledge aspired to by all Freemasons.
From this site - http://www.knightstemplarorder.org/
Hundreds of groups claim to be the authentic Templars, presenting the true history and authentic teachings, disinfo in this area abounds. One could "major in the minors" and spend the rest of your life sifting through revised histories, papal bulls, legalese, and religious deceptions. It is much easier to take the advice of Jesus -"you will know them by their fruits".
This particular author at this link takes a dim view of this group as impostors. I link to it simply to maintain balance and present alternative views, I do not agree on all points - https://www.reddit.com/r/RomeRules/comments/3m23e7/sovereign_magistral_order_of_the_temple_of/
The most interesting claims of this particular group (to me) are:
1) They claim to be the source of the Masonic esoteric knowledge at the 33 degrees of both York and Scottish rites. >>4540599
2) They claim to be the defenders of the Catholic faith. (note Catholic - not Christian) They are in fact, gnostic occultists like the Jesuits.
3) They claim to be affiliated with both the Papacy and the Crown.
4) They are seen by some as a deceptive Jesuit reinvention of the historic Knights Templar.
5) They claim membership in Ignita Veritas United (IVU)
The IVU is a union of States, united by sovereignty, human rights and humanitarian missions, established as a not-for-profit (“non-profit”) inter-governmental organization (IGO), empowered by its own official authorities as a sovereign subject of international law. The Latin name “Ignita Veritas” means “Fire of Truth”, or “Light of Truth”. (Lucifer is the light bearer for the gnostics).
The IVU represents itself as tied to the Vatican, EU, UN, and other globalist structures. It is also invested in advancement through centers of learning, just like our old friends the Jesuits. Who would have thought?
Of particular interest (to me) is their logo, having owls, the same occult symbol on old Jesuit artwork. With a key no less. Two things QANON has talked about previously, Co-inky-dink? Perhaps, but worthy of more investigation don't you think? The Templars claim to worship the divine feminine which you will find associated with Sophia, Minerva, Athena, and various names in different cultures, the owl is her companion and symbol.
The owl is also at the Bohemian Grove, the street layout around the capital building, and on the temple of Jeffery Epstein's pedo island. QANON said the owls are guardians of the Pope and said to follow the owls (and Y's). >>4526597
I am being careful not to draw too many conclusions here because the "bullshit" factor surrounding the Jesuits, Masons, and knighthoods is so thick that a shovel won't suffice, not even a bulldozer will do. What I do intend, however, is to throw out some "food for thought", a line of investigation for anons. Still, those with the "muh Masons" bias don't want their sacred cows slain any more than those with the "muh Catholics" bias, so let the shitposting and shilling begin.
The "blame the Jews" mantra is a well-worn ploy of the Jesuits. It was already dealt with way back here - >>4526004
It was Rome that sieged Jerusalem in AD 70, persecuted Jews (and Christians) in the dark ages, and its Jesuits orchestrated WW2 resulting in the Holocaust. Who was the master, who was in control all down through the centuries, Rome or Jerusalem? Muslims and Vatican Knights vied for control during the crusades and still today a Muslim temple sits on the Temple Mount and Rome has bought up most of the religious property in Jerusalem.
That Babylonian mysticism polluted Rabbinical Judaism is not in dispute. It is the same foul stream that pollutes Catholicism. However, the syncretism of Christianity with paganism by Rome was not caused by the Jews, it was well underway by the 4th century under Constantine.
It should also be noted that there are still Jews who follow the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) alone, just as authentic Christians follow the Bible alone as their rule of faith and doctrine.
It was a Spanish Jesuit, Francisco Ribera, around 1590 that invented futurism which REQUIRES a rebuilt temple in a restored Israel, laying the groundwork for Zionism. The Jesuits forged The Protocols of Zion, used their Rothschild "Court Jews" to finance the Zionist state. and employ "kapos" like Soros to do their dirty work. That ruse only works on the ignorant and gullible.
Did you read what I wrote in the post prior to that one? >>4540599
Quoting myself: "While using doublespeak to both separate from, while yet claim creation of, and superiority over, the Masonic degrees, these so-called defenders of the Christian (they mean Catholic) faith make this claim…"
In other words, they simultaneously espouse two seemingly contradictory views at the same time, something Papists are famous for.
On the one hand they say there is no continuity but on the other hand they say the esoteric knowledge of both the York and Scottish Rites come from them and then go on to make the following claim:
"This evidences that Freemasonry recognizes the Knights Templar as inherently being the highest possible level of sacred knowledge available to all Freemasons. It also confirms that the Order of the Temple of Solomon does not need any “degrees”, because all Templars are already at the highest level of initiation, equally all 33rd degree masters, by virtue of being members of the original medieval chivalric Order which embodies the most ancient sacred knowledge aspired to by all Freemasons."
I simply reposted a quote straight from their website. So it is actually you misrepresenting the facts. Any lack of reading skills or wishful thinking belongs to YOUR interpretation of THEIR post.
Stop your "shit posting" and ad hominem attacks. If you don't have a valid argument to make then say nothing at all. It just betrays the weakness of your position.
While I appreciate music and poetry the cryptic lyrics and subjective interpretations possible with your post don't bring anything intelligible to the conversation.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Can you use plain English and link sources? Perhaps try a conventional means of communication? Otherwise you are just wasting my time.
It was I who first pointed out that they claim to be separate, that is why I call their position doublespeak.
In this post >>4540599 I said. "While using DOUBLESPEAK to both SEPARATE FROM while yet claim creation of and superiority over the Masonic degrees, these so-called" and then quoted from their site.
Since you were still only getting one side of their doublespeak, I had to spell it out even more clearly for you here >>4550815
I said "In other words, they simultaneously espouse two seemingly contradictory views at the same time… On the one hand they say there IS NO CONTINUITY but on the other hand they say the esoteric knowledge of both the York and Scottish Rites come from them…".
So you are repeating WHAT I ALREADY SAID, they claim to be separate. What you have not yet acknowledged is the other side of the equation which makes it "doublespeak". They simultaneously claim to be the source of the esoteric knowledge of all Freemasons.
I have quoted that side of their doublespeak twice now and provided a screenshot from their website. Since you apparently don't see well I will again quote them below and this time add a yellow highlight and red box around the part you are so far refusing to acknowledge.
"This evidences that Freemasonry recognizes the Knights Templar as inherently being the highest possible level of sacred knowledge available to all Freemasons. It also confirms that the Order of the Temple of Solomon does not need any “degrees”, because all Templars are already at the highest level of initiation, equally all 33rd degree masters, by virtue of being members of the original medieval chivalric Order which embodies the most ancient sacred knowledge aspired to by all Freemasons.
Thus, Templar Knights and Dames of the Order do not need to join Freemasonry, because they are already established at the equivalent of the highest 33rd degree level, firmly rooted in the original 12th century tradition. However, all Freemasons can enter and even surpass that level by receiving knighthood in the Templar Order. New members of the Order are rapidly trained in 33rd degree knowledge, from the beginning, such that all further experience in the Order takes them far above and beyond what is normally available to most Freemasons within their lifetimes."
I don't wish to put too fine a point on it but if you look at the attached graphic they claim to have CREATED FREEMASONRY.
Now I know you can "cherry pick" things off their site that say they are totally separate (as I said right from the start) but in what way do they define or distinguish themselves from their creation? What makes them separate but of the same substance?
They bill themselves as the CREATORS OF FREEMASONRY and the original source of the knowledge passed to them. As such, they consider themselves equal to the 33 degree without needing a degree system. Even superior to Masons in that they are able to confer an official nobility title with full legal and chivalric legitimacy in international law.
I trust I won't have to take screenshots of those points since they are on the site for all to read. What is probably causing the cognitive dissonance here is that IF the info on their site is legitimate (not I said IF), then Masons need to admit they were born from a Catholic order and Catholics need to admit that Masonry is their child.
None of that concerns me, what I am on about is the anti-biblical, luciferian/gnostic esotericism of BOTH organizations and the use of knighthoods and secret societies to effect political control. Not to mention darker things.
I had a typo (missing e) so what I am actually saying is "IF the info on their site is legitimate (note I said IF)…". In other words, assuming that they are being honest in their representation of themselves and their history…
What lends credence to their assertions (for me), is that they are self-professed Gnostics, spreading occult knowledge that was rejected by the early Church, before Christians were hijacked by the Papal Apostasy.
They have in common with the Papacy, worship of the divine feminine which surfaces as Mariology in the Catholic Church and something far worse behind the scenes. Quote: "She has been tied to the worship of Mary and the Black Madonna, and other goddesses associated with her include Athena, Minerva, Tara, and Innana. " - http://goddessschool.com/projects/rainsong/1fpsophia.html
It is interesting that Goddess worship is associated with the owl, one of the symbols that QANON told us to follow. Said by QANON to be protectors of the Pope and well known to be associated with child sacrifice and pedophilia, such as at Bohemian Grove and Jefferey Epstein's pedo island. Also, the symbol on the diplomatic passport of the IVU and the learning centers of the Templars. >>4526597 >>4549927
Gnostics also switch good for evil and evil for good. They have Lucifer as their light bearer, making the snake in the garden of Eden the GOOD God and the God of the bible the EVIL God - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism
Do we have evidence of this Luciferian serpent worship at the Vatican? Why yes we do, in fact, the pope speaks from the center of a serpent's mouth at his audience hall in Vatican city - https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/why-was-the-papal-audience-hall-building-at-the-vatican-constructed-in-the-shape-of-a-giant-reptile/
The building has spawned many far-out theories about reptilian aliens and hybrid bloodlines and so on. Lesser known is the truth taught on this subject in the Bible.
Rev. 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
But wait you say, doesn't the poop (I mean Pope) represent Christianity? No, the true interpretation of prophecy taught by the reformers (historicism) has the pope as the "anti (in place of) Christ. A usurper, a pretender to the throne hiding their evil behind a cloak of religious pretense - http://historicism.com/misc/thepapacy.pdf
That traditional Protestant view of prophecy taught for over 500 years has been almost completely erased from the minds of men because of the Jesuit lie of futurism developed during the counter-reformation. Also by the rack, the stake, the sword, the poison cup, and unspeakable acts of cruelty and death for those who bear the truth. However, the judgment of Rome foretold in Rev. 17-18 is almost upon them and we get to watch the show.
2 Cor. 11: 13-15 "For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve".
Once again a meaningless post from you filled with hatred and ad hominem attacks with no substance, no links to evidence, or proof of anything except your mindless vitriol.
If you have something intelligent to say in defense of the positions you have taken, then lets hear it.
So far you have said the QANON plan is Masonic, the God of the Bible is evil, Christianity equates to Hare Krishna, and that your own spirituality (that profanes God and attempts to syncretize many disparate beliefs), is somehow superior to biblical Christianity, which you don't distinguish from Catholicism (all the same to you).
I am still waiting for you to prove all that with something other than gibberish and profanity. I am not the enemy, neither is God, but there is an enemy who will destroy you if you don't escape his deceptions.
First off, when did I ever claim to have studied Masonry for 20 years? I study Christianity and not normally these cults and sects that infiltrate it.
Second of all, I am against the OTO and everything else that is not of sound doctrine which includes the Catholic Church, its knighthoods, all forms of masonry, Gnosticism, witchcraft, satanism, etc. I don't have time to expose every evil in the world.
I have given you statements off of the Templar website, written and in screenshots. You can deny what they themselves say or not, that is your choice.
I make no claims about the validity of THEIR claims, I only point out that their claims exist and that they appear to be "doublespeak" to my mind.
In brief, the evidence is that the Vatican and its knighthoods are gnostic Luciferians, masquerading as Christians, and the Templars IN THEIR OWN WORDS are the originators of what is currently known as Freemasonry. They simultaneously claim a distinct separation from it, yet to be its source, with themselves equal to the 33rd degree, even superior in that they are able to confer an official nobility title with full legal and chivalric legitimacy in international law.
Since it is a waste of my time to keep repeating the obvious here are links to my position.
What has your picture or words to do with anything I have been stating here? I am against homosexuality, pedophilia, and human trafficking in any form. I do not attend Church because there are none in my area that represent biblical Christianity.
It is true that pedophiles are everywhere but the Catholic Church commits systemic abuse and cover-up all over the world. As was pointed out previously, you are lying about the1 % offender rate inside the Catholic Church.
In Australia where the government did a royal commission, the percentage was up to 40% in one order, way beyond the norm (double digits) in others. That is only the ones they found out about, it is a very underreported crime. Stop lying to protect your failed institution, the jig is up, judgment is coming.
The video embed is from the conservative Catholic leader of Ireland, who was at least man enough to call it like it is.
Numbers were discussed way back here on 26/12/18.
Wow, that is one of the most blatantly false statements I have ever seen. Like many of that era, Luther and Calvin, two highly trained Catholics who were very influential during the Reformation, were notorious for their opposition to the Jews. - http://www.bnaiavraham.net/media/50539d6578e3dbcfffff82d67f000101.pdf
In fact, the reason Martin Luther posted the Ninety-five Theses in 1517 had to do with money all right, but not the way you portray. The Roman Catholic Church was raising funds for the building of St. Peter's Basilica, by selling indulgences. That is forgiving sins for money which disgusted Luther so much that at the risk of his life, he pointed out all of the ways it contradicted the bible.
A Dominican prior and inquisitor, Johannes Tetzel was a top salesman for the Pope. He said one could murder, rape, do all manner of sin and if you just gave the Church enough money, all would be forgiven. Not only that, this lie was built on other whoppers like purgatory and a supposed storehouse of merits. No Orthodox or Protestant Church has ever believed in indulgences. It is one of the many heresies Rome tortured and killed real Christians for not accepting - https://www.christian-history.org/indulgences.html
So, there was money being paid but it wasn't to the reformers, it was being paid to Rome by the people they deceived. Flee Babylon while you still can (Rev. 18:4).
I should be ashamed for defending the truth? No I don't think so. A complete falsehood was stated, I simply corrected the record >>4570837
What do you propose, that I let demonstrably false statements stand uncorrected? Let the deceived spread their deceptions to others?
I am here to expose the anti-Christ system which is the papacy according to scripture and as evidenced by their crimes, perversions, and doctrinal deceit.
If I notice any demonstrably false statements while I am here I will correct them. His, yours, or anyone else's. Nothing personal.
Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Are you really going to try and whitewash the atrocities the Catholic Church has committed in Africa?
“When the missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the missionaries had the Bible. They taught us how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.” — Jomo Kenyatta, First President of Kenya, Africa
The Catholic Church played a vital role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, according to historians and several published thesis on the topic. “In fact, the Church was the backbone of the slave trade,” the authors wrote. https://www.blackpressusa.com/the-catholic-church-played-major-role-in-slavery/
Lets also not forget about the colonial bloodshed and profiteering they take part in. Rwanda is a prime modern example of the Church interweaving with the political apparatus for its own ends. 800,000 were butchered thanks to your "benevolent" catholic interventions in that country alone.
Quote: "More than 50 churches in Rwanda have been turned into museums, but instead of viewing artefacts celebrating life, visitors come here to stare at bones… There are the bones of adults and, heartbreakingly, also of babies and toddlers who were hacked to death… The history of the church in Rwanda is interwoven with the state control apparatus… It took part in the genocide and many leaders were part of the planners."
What about clerical sex abuse? Oh, it is there just like it is in every other part of the world. Cardinal Wilfrid Fox Napier of South Africa says it isn't even a crime - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-cardinal/south-africa-cardinal-says-pedophilia-not-a-crime-idUSBRE92F09A20130316
That's just one story so how about this - http://www.afrik-news.com/article17549.html
Lots more where that came from, what about this? https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-10-09-catholic-church-distances-itself-from-explosive-sex-abuse-claims/
One of the things that sets Africa apart is the HIV rate which is why the nuns are considered a safer target than the priest's usual prey - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/marchweb-only/3-19-32.0.html
BTW, our computers may have trace amounts of gold as functional parts, that is a legitimate use. I don't sit on a golden throne with billions in solid gold stockpiled in various banks and my face plastered on gold coins. Your Pope who claims to care for the poor but heads the most obscenely wealthy organization on the planet is surrounded by gold, jewels, priceless artwork, a bank that launders mafia money, stocks in the largest corporations, enormous land and property holdings, etc. They spent over 4 billion in the US alone on abuse settlement in the last few years. Read this book if you want to understand how they operate financially - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/11
Why don't you watch the video and see what the emissaries of your Pope do to Africans?
So why don't you take Paul's advice in 2 Timothy 2:16? You have gone well beyond irreverent chatter to willful blaspheming against God in some of your posts.
Not only should the manner of speech avoid irreverence but the topic should be worthy of discussion. Titus 3:9 - "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless."
While avoiding such things we must not neglect to spread the truth and defend the faith
2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction."
"contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.…" (Jude 1:3-4)
Africans were extremely advanced in ancient times. I am not sure if it is ignorance or prejudice that drives your opinion but the facts deny your claim - http://www.asbmb.org/asbmbtoday/asbmbtoday_article.aspx?id=32437
Perhaps we could bring the thread back to exposing the anti-Christ system? There are several major stories currently causing grief for the Papacy.
An Argentine bishop, appointed to a top Vatican administrative position by Pope Francis, is now under investigation for sexual abuse - https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/argentine-bishop-promoted-by-pope-francis-at-vatican-accused-of-abusing-sem
The Vatican had documents on the abusive conduct of the disgraced founder of the Legionaries of Christ, Father Marcial Maciel, from as long ago as 1943. Quote: “those who covered it up (inside the Church) were a mafia" - http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/vatican-knew-about-legionary-founder-maciels-abuse-since-1943
This story on Cardinal McCarrick is the "gift that keeps on giving". This case, perhaps more than any other, has spawned multiple investigations into dark places. The Viganò testimony, the Papal Foundation, the St Gallen Mafia, it is a window into the soul of the Vatican - https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2019/01/05/vatican-investigating-third-accusation-of-abuse-against-ex-cardinal-mccarrick/
Perhaps you missed the first interview with one of McCarrick's victims, James Grein, which was posted here >>4227743
There is a second interview (by Catholics) embeddedin this post and it gives the "inside dope" on some of the things playing out.
Authentic Christians rejected the Gnostic deceptions for good reason. In "Against Heresies", around 180 AD, Irenaeus went to great lengths to present the theologies of the various Gnostic schools in order to refute them biblically and logically.
Robert M. Grant has noted that "the religious realities which the Church proclaimed were ultimately perverted by the Gospel of Thomas. For this reason, Thomas, along with other documents which purported to contain secret sayings of Jesus, was rejected by the Church." Robert M. Grant with David Noel Freedman, The Secret Sayings of Jesus (Garden City, NY: Doubleday and Company, Inc., 1960), 115.
If you would like to learn more about why Gnosticism is heresy and why books like the Gospel of Thomas should be rejected, watch the embedded video and read the linked PDF file - http://www.equip.org/PDF/DG040-2.pdf
From non-Christian and even anti-Christian sources, we can be sure that Jesus in fact existed, was crucified, was believed to be resurrected from the dead, and His many followers were willing to suffer and die for that belief - http://thechristianproject.com/apologetics/10-historical-facts-about-jesus-from-non-christian-sources/
If you would rather a free book with quotes and historical evidence, rather than a short article here is a link - http://garyhabermas.com/books/EvidenceBook/GaryHabermas_Evidence-for-the-historical-Jesus-Release_1point1.pdf
Some examples: Pliny the Younger lived from AD 61-113 and was an influential lawyer and magistrate of ancient Rome. In a letter to Emperor Trajan he wrote: "They [Christians] were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up".
Jewish Historian Josephus, who was born around AD 37. In his Antiquities of the Jews, wrote: "And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon discipleship."
I could go on but what is more interesting to me is that he was worshiped by the Jews before he even became flesh. Paul (formerly Saul) who was a well known and highly trained second temple Jew before he was converted wrote concerning the God who led the Jews out of Egypt being Christ
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."
That is why Christ said to the Pharisees "before Abraham was, "I Am"" John 8:58. He was the great "I AM" that Moses met on the mountain. In fact, God the father has never been seen, it has always been Christ manifesting as God.
During his life in the flesh, he was worshiped in the manger (Matthew 2:11), as he entered Jerusalem on a donkey, (Matthew 21:9; John 12:13), when he walked on water (Matthew 14:33).
After the resurrection, he has worshiped straight away (Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10). The embedded video gives a very brief refutation of your view, there is a longer video series here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrRQqYGf4O0
Hope that helps.
What if you don't provide any evidence for your what ifs?
What if your "what ifs" have about as much validity as an invasion of flying space monkeys wearing pink leotards?
I already gave you some links to early Church history in these posts. >>4236158 >>4238439
However, I will embed a video exposing the development of the Papacy.
Yes, I know how many countries the Jesuits were kicked out of (and rightly so). Yes, there is a distinction between Jews and Zionists, as I have already posted, on that much we agree. Did you know that it was a Spanish Jesuit named Francisco Ribera, around 1590, who laid the theological foundation for Christian Zionism? https://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-vatican/the-foundation-of-zionism-and-the-great-delusion-of-the-end-times/1846755722023430/
The Masons are "bad actors" in this drama as QANON already indicated in his posts. That the Vatican proclaims and what it practices are two different things as explained already here >>4538212
Rome's collaboration with Masonry was also exposed in the SMOM section of the document QANON linked, which shows the relationship between the Knights of Malta, the P2 lodge, CIA, and the Scottish Rite Masons - https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170004-5.pdf
I don't want to flog a dead horse so might I point you to these posts which have already addressed Masonry.
You went into your hate the Jews mantra with your graphic, but I didn't reference Jewish sources.
Then you discarded the links I pointed you to without reason. Why do you fear the truth?
The sources are Catholic educated, one a former Catholic scholar, one a former Catholic Priest.
Peter De Rosa - Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy Pg. 23 (Free PDF download here) - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/21
History of the Early Church Invalidates Papal Claim of Apostolic Succession,” by Richard Bennett - http://www.the-highway.com/apostolic-succession_Bennett.html
If you don't have the time or inclination to read, then watch the video and learn what the apostate Catholic Church did to the bible believing Christians that would not agree to Rome's heresies.
I read "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and it was totally bogus. The general plot is - IF this happened, then it is possible THAT happened, and therefore we should expect THIS to follow, which could make such and such true…
There is no evidence, no facts, just a fantasy based on innuendo and assumptions. A fiction to discredit Christ.
That is the true "SECRET" of Masonry and Gnosticism in general, that the light you chase comes from Lucifer. He feeds you a pack of lies and plays on your ego such that you imagine yourself part of a privileged class, elevated above others by "higher, deeper" knowledge.
It is tragic that you are led away from the true source of light and truth - Jesus Christ. Led to deny his true nature and elevate this "secret" knowledge in place of the word of God.
Repent and turn to Christ before it is too late.
I appreciate your response to his unbelief. I agree that Christ made the "once and for all" sacrifice for sin and that salvation comes by relationship with him, through the ministry of the spirit and the guidance of the word.
Where you and I differ is that I do not see the sacraments of the Catholic Church, the traditions of its institution, or its priests as a necessary part of the relationship. In fact, prophecy portrays the papacy as anti-Christ, and history proves this to be the case.
You seem to think there are "fake Catholics" and that they are the problem but it is the system itself that is false, a syncretism of Christianity and paganism.
Just one example, "Christ is assisted by the Virgin Mary in her triune role as co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocatrix." according to Catholics. However, this is not biblical. Getting people to pray to Mary and the saints, to purchase with money forgiveness from a "bank of stored virtue" as indulgences, believing that a pedophile priest has the power to forgive sins or command Christ to come down out of heaven and manifest physically in the fiction of transubstantiation, on and on.
Worship of the divine feminine is simultaneously denied and affirmed by Catholics, the same sort of "doublespeak" as the Templars have on their website where they claim to be Christian yet worship Sophia, goddess of wisdom. Take God's advice in Rev. 18:4, flee Babylon before he destroys it.
Be a Christian, not a Catholic, there is a difference. We follow Christ and the Bible, not the usurper Pope and his catechism.
Welcome… This is a tough environment, full of shills, bias, and disinfo, but don't get discouraged. Filter out the hate and the nonsense, the truth will eventually rise to the top like oil in water.
Your friends and family will always be your toughest audience. This was true even for Christ. They won't give you the same respect strangers will.
Mark 6:4-6" Then Jesus told them, “A prophet is without honor only in his hometown, among his relatives, and in his own household.” So He could not perform any miracles there, except to lay His hands on a few of the sick and heal them. And He was amazed at their unbelief."
The "deep state" is being taken care of but most of the focus has been on political puppets. What we are heading for is the judgement of the great whore (Rome) that commits fornication with the kings of the earth (Rev. 17-18).
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Don't you mean convenient for gnostic deception?
The assumption made is that Matthew and Luke, in addition to having Mark as a source for their information, had a second independent source called simply the "Q-source." From the German word quelle, which means source. It is speculative and hypothetical but Gnostics see it as a way of slipping their false Gospels under the door, even though they are proven forgeries, shot down by early Christians.
Speculations about another source document will never make lies truth. Besides which, there are serious problems with this assumption.
Some scholars argue that until a reasonable explanation is found for the minor disagreements in the texts, the two-source hypothesis is not viable.
Others wonder how a major and respected source, supposedly used in two canonical gospels, could disappear when books of much lesser importance did not?
Others argue that the Gospel according to the Hebrews, not Q, was the basis for the synoptic tradition.
The Farrer hypothesis seems more likely to some, in that one of the two used the other as a source, rather than both using a third document as a source. Writing styles suggest that Matthew is the source for these "Q" sayings and without an extant copy of Q, or a reference to a document resembling Q (by early Church fathers), it is unlikely to have existed.
Gnostics try to say the Gospel of Thomas supports the concept of a "sayings gospel", but Q has a narrative structure as reconstructed and is not simply a list of sayings.
The list of arguments against the Q-source goes on - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source
To claim forged Gnostic gospels like Thomas are legitimate based on the Q source hypothesis is beyond irresponsible, it is deceptive
I get tired of repeating myself but authentic Christians rejected the Gnostic deceptions for good reason. In "Against Heresies", around 180 AD, Irenaeus went to great lengths to present the theologies of the various Gnostic schools in order to refute them biblically and logically.
Robert M. Grant has noted that "the religious realities which the Church proclaimed were ultimately perverted by the Gospel of Thomas. For this reason, Thomas, along with other documents which purported to contain secret sayings of Jesus, was rejected by the Church." Robert M. Grant with David Noel Freedman, The Secret Sayings of Jesus (Garden City, NY: Doubleday and Company, Inc., 1960), 115.
If you would like to learn more about why Gnosticism is heresy and why books like the Gospel of Thomas should be rejected, watch the embedded video and read the linked PDF file - http://www.equip.org/PDF/DG040-2.pdf
Irenaeus reported that one of the reasons John wrote his Gospel was to refute the views of Cerinthus, an early Gnostic. Over against the Gnostic assertion that the true God would not enter our world, John stressed in his Gospel that Jesus was God’s incarnate Son.
Gnosticism is a hodgepodge of religious ideas, a syncretism of Greek, Jewish, Parsic; philosophies; religions, theosophies, mysteries. There are many sects within Gnosticism but the general points typically held in common can be found in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE) 486-487, vol. 2, "Gnosticism".
What I personally find objectionable and deceptive, are those who claim to be Christian Gnostics, since these are mutually exclusive belief systems.
Gnostics make the presupposition that matter is inherently evil and spirit is good. Yet Christ came in the flesh and was not only good but actually God in the flesh. Lucifer and his ilk are spiritual beings, yet evil, so straight away, Gnosticism has problems with the Incarnation (docetic Christology) and its dualism confuses the nature of good and evil.
Some Gnostics go so far as to believe anything done in the body, even the grossest, most harmful sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.
They also believe salvation is gained through the acquisition of knowledge which frees one from the illusions of darkness. Their quest for knowledge often leads to the Goddess of wisdom (Sophia), or Lucifer as the light-bearer, who brings their "so-called" advanced knowledge. So they miss the quintessential teaching, the main tenet of Christianity - salvation through faith in Christ.
Then there is the concept of the demiurge (being the God of the OT), as inferior to their supposed God who is removed from the physical and not the God of the Bible. A good online study exists here - http://www.bibleone.net/print_tbs61.html
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The attempts made to turn Jesus and the Essenes into proto-New Agers are laughable. The Essenes were monotheistic Jews who believed in human sinfulness, a predestinating, personal God, and an eternal hell. They had their share of sectarian distinctives like all the Jewish sects, yet held many things in common with other Jews.
Since both believed in the old testament scriptures, the Essenes also shared commonalities with the teachings of Christ but also vast differences in areas like salvation, asceticism, ethics, and other issues. If you would like to understand this more deeply try "Jesus in an Age of Controversy" 152-180 by Douglas Groothuis
That shills exist here on 8-chan is well known. I didn't write the attached graphic, I copied it from elsewhere.
If you disagree, take it up with the author, I am here to expose the anti-Christ system.
So why don't you take Paul's advice in 2 Timothy 2:16? You are creating a strawman and knocking it down as if that addresses anything I've said. I have not done what you falsely accuse me of, so why misrepresent the facts?
I have given evidence and testimony of the truth as is commanded:
2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction."
Jude 1:3-4 - "…contend earnestly for the faith entrusted once for all to the saints. For certain men have crept in among you unnoticed—ungodly ones who were designated long ago for condemnation. They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, and they deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.…"
I have provided explanations, links, videos, graphics, with my posts (plenty of sauce). All I have seen from you so far is false accusations and misapplication of scripture. If you have anything of substance to say, let's hear it.
BTW - this post was meant for you.
Somehow I got the link mixed up with another ANON (my bad).
These are quite the statements you have made.
> I do not give a FUCK who believes the bible as it is…
> There are GOOD and EVIL Gnostics or is this concept too hard for you to grasp?
> Gnostics proclaim that Jesus then married Mary Magdalene, and they begat at least two children.
> JESUS NEVER HAD THE POWER TO FORGIVE ME
> No sinners in Heaven?
I don't wish to seem ungrateful for the theology lesson but there seems to be something missing from your description of the "spaceship" city. You will be outside in outer darkness gnashing your teeth in great distress. Doesn't sound like a fun time.
Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Now don't get me wrong, all are invited, but one must have the righteous robe that only Christ can provide, to go to the wedding supper of the lamb. Your "secrets" won't help you, your own righteousness (even if you gave up profaning God and his word) is as filthy rags, you will be thrown outside if you try to crash the party.
Matthew 22:12-13 ‘…how did you get in here without wedding clothes?’ But the man was speechless. Then the king told the servants, ‘Tie him hand and foot and throw him outside into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
BTW - the Q-Research welcome page says there are shills here (check attached graphic). Co-inky-dink-ily they say it in the same place they describe the type of whining about arrests behavior you exhibited.
The people running the place wrote that, not me, and I am not sure who wrote the other graphic I posted. I only showed you that so you know it is not just me who thinks there are shills here.
I didn't specifically call YOU a shill, or anyone else here in the particular statement that caused you to"wig out". I just welcomed someone new with a general warning.
> Welcome… This is a tough environment, full of shills, bias, and disinfo, but don't get discouraged. Filter out the hate and the
> nonsense, the truth will eventually rise to the top like oil in water.
I'm not sure why this would upset you unless you are sensitive about shilling for some reason? I know someone with a finely tuned "shill-o-meter" who gets all excited over reactions like yours. That's not my department.
As I said, I am only here to expose the anti-Christ system. So chill, unless you work for the Vatican, in which case you should be panicking and looking for a cave to hide in, not that it will help.
>THE CHRISTIANS ARE DOING NOTHING BUT SUCKING THE VATICANS ASS AS THEY PARADE THEIR BOOK ABOUT ATTEMPTING TO BE DIFFERENT IS WHAT IS UP PILGRIMS
>EVIL FUCKERS ONE AND ALL
>I do not give a FUCK who believes the bible as it is
>JESUS NEVER HAD THE POWER TO FORGIVE ME
>FUCK YOUR FEAR OF THIS THING YOU REFER TO AS GOD I WANT THAT MOTHERFUCKER TO BE MUH FRIEND OR FUCK IT
>What if God is an Alien? What if God has no sex? or both?!
>FUCK YOU AND YOUR GOD
>Krishna explains that all of these demigods serve him and through them you also serve him.
James 3:6 "The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell."
Luke 6:45 "…an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."
Did your Rosicrucian masters teach you this secret knowledge? Perhaps you should watch the video and repent before it is too late?
In 2005, the Associated Press reported, “The U.S. Justice Department has told a Texas court that a lawsuit accusing Pope Benedict XVI of conspiring to cover up the sexual molestation of three boys by a seminarian should be dismissed because the pontiff enjoys immunity as head of state of the Holy See.” Linked article here - https://www.rawstory.com/2010/05/obama-backs-catholic-church-immunity-claim-sexual-abuse-lawsuits/
Another article here - http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/pope-has-diplomatic-immunity-cries-vatican_100342636.html
Around 2010 Pope Benedict (Ratzinger) was about to be hauled before the courts for covering up abuse but Obama went to bat for him, even gave a statement on it.
I linked a video that talks about revoking their diplomatic immunity as one of my first posts in this thread. I will do so again since it seems to have gone unnoticed.
How does exposing the Papacy as the anti-Christ system of Bible prophecy equate to Vatican "azz 5ucking" in your learned opinion? My eschatology is historicism, the traditional Protestant view, we expose the Vatican's lies, their deeds, and their perversion of Christian doctrine. Authentic Christians have been doing so for centuries, for over 500 years it has commonly been known as the Reformation.
The Reformation did not die out, it was just forced underground by the counter-reformation. Now they are caught in our trap and their destruction is inevitable, as described in Rev. 17-18. Their end will be sudden, violent, and catastrophic "for strong is the Lord God who judges her."
Hmmm… You are getting into quite a "rabbit hole" there. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. One of my military acquaintances was telling me about a place his unit discovered that was disguised. At first, they first thought it was some type of perfume or chemical factory. That wasn't what was being made there - very dark indeed.
Most of the public are not prepared to understand the depth of the horrors and depravity that exists. Absolute evil on an industrial scale in some areas, every bit as horrific as the worst deeds of the concentration camps and inquisitions.
To get a clue, study this document supplied by QANON in the sections that talk about torture, plastic surgery, Nazi doctors in the US, and so on - https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90-00845R000100170004-5.pdf
What you must understand as well, is that the power behind all of this evil hides behind a cloak of righteousness and religious pageantry. It is the mascarade that allows them to operate virtually unopposed. Their grand illusion that allows them political power over the duped masses.
They perfected torture and learned of its effects in the dark ages. People were skinned alive, boiled in oil, stretched on racks, had their joints pulverized with mauls, slow cooked, wasted, eaten alive by vermin, genitals ripped off, you name it they did it. Read Foxes Book of Martyrs if you want details of what the Papacy did to Christians who opposed their heresies, or those they tortured and killed for simply owning a copy of the Bible in their own language - http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/Foxes%20Book%20of%20Martyrs.pdf
QANONs recent and past MK ULTRA posts, dovetail into areas some people have been screaming about for a long time, but few believed. Here is an interesting thread to pull on, "J. Peter Grace, one of the founders of the monastery she references, was involved with Project Paperclip, which brought Nazi scientists to the U.S. after World War II" - https://www.exopermaculture.com/2018/09/01/sister-keri-burnor-it-may-be-that-monasteries-are-fronts-for-the-cia-which-is-run-by-the-jesuits/
Look up "Operation Gladio" and its spin-offs like "Operation Condor". If you trace it back through the "Atlantic Council" (front group), and the CFR, you will eventually end up at the Vatican. You will also discover the truth about 911 - https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Somethings can only be said cryptically, or by metaphor and meme. Horror, hidden under humor, so that the toxic darkness of the truth is more palatable. It keeps recently "red pilled" snowflakes from melting. The graphic, strategically valuable, and dangerous (to handle) files are not made accessible. Still, the gist is communicated, the sources protected, and "the plan" not compromised by the revelations - https://pinkbunnies.club/whiterabbit/blog/16/tea-party-invite-mad-hatter-alice-white-rabbit
>the 5th world dawns
>Secret Light - Walter Russell
>you have never had the nerve to question the book which they built and gave to you that you fought to get! you just ignore the obvious big pile of shit right there next to you but you smell nothing!
So let me get this straight. You reject God's word as a "pile of shite"… Yet, you praise a book by Walter Russell who claims to have "Secret Light" and a new cosmogony. God went through all the trouble of inspiring the prophets and even sending his own SON to reveal himself to man, but no, rather than take God at his Word, you would rather believe someone who claims to be illuminated and says "God is the invisible, motionless, sexless, undivided, and unconditioned white Magnetic Light of Mind."
If you look at Russell's writings he is only repackaging the same Gnostic Luciferian lies that have been pushed by mystics for centuries. "According to Gnostic legends and myths, the great Unknowable God sent Lucifer, angel of indescribable fire and light, to show man the light and to help him wake up and see his true origin, the origin of his Spirit, which has been perversely imprisoned in this impure matter called body-soul." - https://gnosticwarrior.com/lucifer.html
Don't be coy, if you are a Luciferian then just own it and say that is what you are - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism
I mean why hide behind secret societies and push New Age nonsense. If your God is God, then why be coy? Is he afraid? Are you afraid? Do we need another showdown with the Priests of Baal on Mt. Carmel (1 Kings 18) to expose your fake God? Tell you what, you bring your false God, 450 priest of Baal and 400 prophets of Asherah to this thread and I'll just bring myself and ask the real God (of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) to help me.
I'll even let you go first and let you pour water on everything I say but the true God will still win.
> all WE would do would be to show the (yous) the correlations between the archetypes such as Prometheus, Fire and Mt. Olympus…
> our black madonna…
> your fucking ROMANO CENTRICISM can suck satan's cock is what it can go do, pussy
> FUCK YOU ETERNAL HOSTILITY IS THE OATH WHICH I TOOK
Your words reveal the worth of your religion.
James 1:26 "If you claim to be religious but don't control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless.
The founder of the Jesuits, Ignatius Loyola, was a devotee of the Black Madonna and they are known for their oath of induction. The Masonic degrees the Jesuits wrote have oaths as well. Perhaps you are not so different from those you claim to oppose? Strategy makes for strange bedfellows: “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” ~ Vladimir Lenin
None of those games matter anymore, the digital age has allowed files to be gathered, stored, weaponized. They hang now like the sword of Damocles over the pope and his minions. The dirty deeds of the wicked shall receive recompense. The pretense of holiness, the respectability of office and station, will be stripped away. Money and power will flee, sins will be laid bare for all the world to see. A tree is known by its fruit (Luke 6:44).
The wicked forgot to "smile for the camera", thinking surveillance technology would empower them more, rather than become their downfall.
Esther 7:10 "So they impaled Haman on the pole he had set up for Mordecai.."
They could not hide their deeds from the just, let alone God, yet they thought they were getting away with their sins.
Proverbs 15:3 - The eyes of the LORD are in every place, observing the evil and the good.
Now the clock is ticking, we are at the final countdown - https://pinkbunnies.club/whiterabbit/blog/12/the-final-countdown
Jude 1:14-15 “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” (Also - 1 Peter 4:17-18)
Mary is “most blessed among women” (Luke 1:42) because she bore Christ but she is not co-redemptrix, was not a virgin perpetually, she was not sinless, she had other children, and she was not taken bodily into heaven. All of those Catholic teachings are directly refuted by scripture.
By getting your attention and prayers away from Christ, unto Mary and the Saints, the Catholic Church is coming between you and your salvation, "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:27).
1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.”
The false teachings on Mary, along with indulgences, transubstantiation, purgatory, and dozens of others are what separate authentic Christians from Catholics. We WILL continue to expose your false church, its secret societies, and political control systems.
You have put the blame on the ongoing abuse crises on "false Catholics". If you consider yourself a "good Catholic" your only choice is to FLEE Babylon, lest you be destroyed along with it.
Rev18:4 - Then I heard another voice calling from heaven, "Come away from her, my people. Do not take part in her sins, or you will be punished with her.
Why don't you get out, deprogram yourself from their cultish false doctrines and start worshipping God in Spirit and truth (John 4:24).
The Papacy is not as old as you think, it does not go back to Peter, that is another lie they have told you. Posts dealing with early Church history were already given.
Christianity is older than Popery. The bishop of Rome did not have primacy, infallibility, or any great degree of power over church or state initially. He did not receive the "keys of the kingdom" from Peter as claimed by the twisting of Matthew 16:19. It was Emperor Justinian who invested the pope with the legal power of Caesar and that was not until the 6th century.
This book was written by a Catholic scholar trained at the Pontifical Gregorian in Rome and it exposes the lie of the Petrine Office - Peter De Rosa - Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy Pg. 23 (Free PDF download here - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/21)
This requirement is contradicted by the Bible but popery says: "so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother." (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914).
The Vatican deceptively says they do not elevate Mary to a Goddess or worship her, while simultaneously assigning divine attributes to her and veneration (which is a "weasel word" for worship). Divine attributes and prerogatives like "atonement of sin (Fundamentals of Catholic dogma, Ott, page 213), "to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation," (CCC 969), delivering our souls from death (CCC, 966), " … when she [Mary] is the subject of preaching and WORSHIP she prompts the faithful to come to her Son… " (Vatican Council II, p. 420).
I have the utmost respect for Mary as the woman chosen to bear Christ. However, the bible does not teach that Mary was sinless, or a virgin all her life, or was assumed bodily into heaven, or any of the other embellishments popery has added to her. It especially does not make her co-redemptrix or mediatrix.
This video is a quick study on why you should NOT pray to Mary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKeXByhhhvM
This one shows where this "queen of heaven" (ISIS in Egypt and DIANA of Greece) comes from - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idPVzqP4lpQ
There is a two-stage process a Catholic must go through in order to deprogram from the Rome's heresies.
1) Learn that Papal authority is built on demonstrably false claims which are historically inaccurate and doctrinally deceptive. Here is a video from a young man with a teaching style that makes this subject accessible to lay people - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AsPuOxVZKw
2) Once you realize the pope is a usurper and his claims to authority are false, the unbiblical and extra-biblical doctrines the Vatican teaches collapse because they are not built on the authority of God's word - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1xZTPY98Oc
2 Timothy 4:3-4 … and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
Haven't you heard of the reality TV show called "Myth Busters"? I reject your vain religion and contend for the true faith. You talk about "secret" light but your heart is made dark by your rejection of the "true" light.
Jude 1:3 "contend earnestly for the faith having been delivered once for all to the saints".
2 Peter 1:16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were EYEWITNESSES of his majesty.
John 1: 9-10 That was the true Light (Jesus), which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Romans 1:21 "…but became VAIN IN THEIR IMAGINATIONS, and their FOOLISH HEART WAS DARKENED.”
> Maybe if you want to Criticize the Catholic teachings try studying them first instead of parroting some judeo-protestant-islamic -satanist-masonic-atheist slander rants on internet.
That is really funny coming from you. So far you have not provided any evidence, biblical or otherwise, to support your contentions. I have provided biblical and historical quotes, plus links to Catholic sources, to prove you wrong (sauce). You have not addressed any of it with intellectual honesty, you have simply vilified the sources to justify discarding the content without engaging it.
For instance, this article from a former Catholic Priest who refutes apostolic succession - History of the Early Church Invalidates Papal Claim of Apostolic Succession,” by Richard Bennett - http://www.the-highway.com/apostolic-succession_Bennett.html
Or the next link, from a Catholic scholar trained at the Gregorian in Rome, so I quote it directly again:
"It may jolt Catholics to hear it, but " the great Fathers of the church saw no connection between it and the pope. Not one of them applies ‘Thou art Peter’ to anyone but Peter. One after another they analyze it: Cyprian, Origen, Cyril, Hilary, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine. They are not exactly Protestants. Not one of them calls the Bishop of Rome a Rock or applies to him specifically the promise of the Keys…
The surprises do not stop there. For the Fathers, it is Peter’s faith - or the Lord in whom Peter has faith - which is called the Rock, not Peter. All the Councils of the church from Nicaea in the fourth century to Constance in the fifteenth agree that Christ himself is the only foundation of the church, that is, the Rock on which the church rests. Perhaps this is why not one of the Fathers speaks of a transference of power from Peter to those who succeed him; not one speaks, as church documents do today, of an ‘inheritance’. There is no hint of an abiding Petrine office. In so far as the Fathers speak of an office, the reference is to the episcopate in general." Peter De Rosa - Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy Pg. 23
Free PDF download here - https://pinkbunnies.club/file/download/file_file/21
Again, with Mary worship, I gave Catholic sources as well as Christian sources, unless you popes and official Catholic documents are "judeo-protestant-islamic -satanist-masonic-atheist" then Mary worship is taught in your Church and is unbiblical. >>4759645
For instance, these quotes, which anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the Bible can see are heresy - "so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother." (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914). " … when she [Mary] is the subject of preaching and WORSHIP she prompts the faithful to come to her Son… " (Vatican Council II, p. 420).
The language of your linked video is vulgar, but oddly enough it communicates truth. Speaking of "the whore of Babylon" (ROME) God himself makes an imperative command for us to "pay her back double" for what she has done.
Revelation 18:5-7 '…for her sins are piled up to heaven and God has remembered her crimes. Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Pour her a double portion from her own cup. Give her as much torment and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
This case involving Cardinal Philippe Barbarin, the archbishop of Lyon, in France, is as monumental as the case involving Cardinal McCarrick in America and Cardinal Pell in Australia.
The reason is, the Catholic system itself is on trial, forcing them to run to the diplomatic immunity defense, based on the Vatican's status as a sovereign country. Also, the case involves the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly known as the Office of the Inquisition). This is the same Office that had authentic Christians slow tortured and killed for simply owning Bibles, for opposing Rome's heretical doctrines. It is also the office which made it into the news recently for drug-fueled gay orgies - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSeYIQRQcuA
Moreover, this is the office in the Vatican which runs the pedophilia cover-up by enforcing "Crimen Sollicitationis" a policy characterized by legal experts as a blueprint for a cover-up. Before he became Pope, Cardinal Ratzinger ran that office for two decades, and was responsible when victims were silenced, and pedophile Priests escaped prosecution to offend again - http://www.advancedchristianity.com/Pages/CBS/CBS.htm
Light was shed on this by an Open Letter to Catholic Bishops from the theologian Fr Hans Küng - "There is no denying the fact that the worldwide system of covering up cases of sexual crimes committed by clerics was engineered by the Roman Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under Cardinal Ratzinger (1981-2005). During the reign of Pope John Paul II, that congregation had already taken charge of all such cases under oath of strictest silence. Ratzinger himself, on May 18th, 2001, sent a solemn document to all the bishops dealing with severe crimes ( "epistula de delictis gravioribus" ), in which cases of abuse were sealed under the "secretum pontificium" , the violation of which could entail grave ecclesiastical penalties."
Ratzinger was considered a theological conservative and the current Pope Francis (Bergoglio) is considered a liberal, but just like in politics these are just two wings of the same bird. The cover-ups continue, it is the system itself which is evil and this type of filth has always existed no matter who sat on the golden throne - https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Priests-Secret-Codes-Catholic/dp/1566252652.
The sovereign status the Vatican regained through the Lateran Pact with the Fascist Musillini in 1929 needs to be rescinded. The legal construct gives shelter to an international criminal syndicate disguised as a Church. Their crimes against humanity need to be prosecuted, including the horrific abuse of children and subsequent cover-ups.
>You seem annoyed by my power level
That's funny. No, I am annoyed at your lack of integrity and your intellectual dishonesty. I give you Christian sources and even Catholic sources but you dismiss them as paid Jewish sources due to your bias.
For example, you said Catholics don't worship Mary and disagreed when I said Rome was putting Mary between people and the true source of their salvation - Jesus. I gave you quotes from official Catholic sources like the Vatican website and a Papal Encyclical but you dismiss them dishonestly as "judeo-protestant-islamic -satanist-masonic-atheist slander rants"
"so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother." (Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914). " … when she [Mary] is the subject of preaching and WORSHIP she prompts the faithful to come to her Son… " (Vatican Council II, p. 420).
You are committing logical fallacies One is called circumstantial ad hominem which is an attack on the perceived bias of a source. It overlaps with the fallacy of origin, where a fact is ignored in favor of attacking its source. That would be bad enough but you are so dishonest and disingenuous as to lie about the nature of the sources in order to discredit them. That doesn't discredit them, it only discredits you. Attacking sources does nothing to discredit arguments and lying reveals who your father is (John 8:44), just as your murderous statements do in this post. >>4464013
>Yeah protestants used to be Catholics too. That doesn't make them right. It just means they rather be jews as they prefer to adhere to old testament stories and laws (jewish Tenach ).
The ex-Catholic sources I gave you became Christians, not Jews. More than half of the Bible (even a Catholic Bible) is the Old Testament. So unless you wish to commit the heresy of Marcion, I would suggest you don't throw yours away. Jesus Christ and all the apostles quoted liberally from the Jewish scriptures as the word of God.
>Protestantism began after Catholics kicked jews and muslims out of Spain and the wealthy sephardic jews moved to northern Europe where they organized the protestant movement…
That is (to be polite) not factual. Protestants have existed from the birth of the Papacy. They were galvanized into a movement in the 16th century when a Catholic Monk named Martin Luther objected to the unbiblical practice of selling indulgences and other heresies of Rome. Long before that, authentic Christians were persecuted by the Jews, then Pagan Rome, and then Papal Rome, which slew them by the millions in cruel inquisitions. If you actually studied early Church history, you would know that even in the mountain valleys of Northern Italy, authentic Christians existed and were persecuted by the Papacy. Christianity was legalized under Emporer Constantine and mixed with paganism by the 4th century. When Rome fell in the 6th century, Justinian transferred the legal authority of Caesar to the Bishop of Rome. However, this Church-State-Pagan monstrosity was rejected by authentic Christians who followed the Bible. They were hunted down and killed for being true to the word of God. >>4570837
"the true Church of the Lord Jesus Christ… existed in various countries before the Reformation of the sixteenth century. Down through the centuries, these believers were scattered from Jerusalem to the Piedmont valley of Italy, to France, Spain, Scotland, Ireland, England, and throughout all of Europe". History of the Early Church Invalidates Papal Claim of Apostolic Succession,” by Richard Bennett - http://www.the-highway.com/apostolic-succession_Bennett.html
>and to this day they will fund and promote every movement they seem fit to undermine the Catholic Church , protestants, satanists. communism, freemasons, muslims, post modernism, mainstream media,
Blaming the Jews (or other groups) doesn't do anything to exonerate the Papacy from its crimes against humanity, its lies, its perversion of doctrine, or its political manipulation of nation-states in a vain attempt to achieve global temporal power. You are committing another logical fallacy called scapegoating.
Either follow Christ, or follow the Popes, you can't do both since they don't teach the same religion, Catholicism is not Christianity.
You made my argument for me thanks. Yes, "It actually states that all immoral acts ( or knowledge thereof ) against persons under 18 need to be reported to the CDF).
That is what I was pointing to in my post and that is the office in the Vatican (CDF) that has been running the cover-up while ordering silence in the ranks. >>4776674
Since you apparently missed this statement I'll put it in red.
Light was shed on this by an Open Letter to Catholic Bishops from the theologian Fr Hans Küng - "There is no denying the fact that the worldwide system of covering up cases of sexual crimes committed by clerics was engineered by the Roman Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under Cardinal Ratzinger (1981-2005). During the reign of Pope John Paul II, that congregation had already taken charge of all such cases under oath of strictest silence. Ratzinger himself, on May 18th, 2001, sent a solemn document to all the bishops dealing with severe crimes ( "epistula de delictis gravioribus" ), in which cases of abuse were sealed under the "secretum pontificium" , the violation of which could entail grave ecclesiastical penalties."
You are committing a circumstantial ad hominem attack again by claiming the position of Fr Hans Küng is wrong because you perceive him as biased. Even if he was biased (who could blame him) that would do nothing to discredit his arguments.
That would be like me saying anything you say is invalid because you have a pro Popery bias. You obviously do but that by itself does not invalidate any given argument from you, I must address your arguments themselves.
I have read the documents and the analysis of the documents by others who have legal minds. I and many others see it as a "blueprint for a cover-up" and that phrase was not coined by Fr Hans Küng.
==Bishops are instructed to pursue these cases "in the most secretive way…restrained by a perpetual silence…and everyone {including the alleged victim) …is to observe the strictest secret, which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office…under the penalty of excommunication."
Larry Drivon, a lawyer who represents alleged victims, said, "This document is significant because it's a blueprint for deception."
Drivon said this proves what he has alleged on behalf of victims in priest-abuse lawsuits: that the church engaged in a crime – racketeering.
"It's an instruction manual on how to deceive and how to protect pedophiles," Drivon said. "And exactly how to avoid the truth coming out."== https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-crimes-cover-up-by-vatican/
Bishops involved in the cover-up naturally attempted damage control. Attempts have been made to minimize the document’s role and significance, painting it as "taken out of context". Critics are dismissed as biased, ignorant, and so on.
None of this spin erased the abuse and cover-up which cost the Roman Catholic Church over $4 billion dollars in litigation and payouts thus far. Not to mention a loss of credibility and ongoing legal jeopardy. If they were innocent, they would not be paying out this money or be under multiple statewide and federal investigations.
Anyone can go to this site, study up on the role of Crimen Sollicitationis, watch videos on it, and form their own opinion. It will become obvious who is telling the truth and who is covering up - http://www.advancedchristianity.com/Pages/CBS/CBS.htm
After investigations into the systemic abuse and cover-up in his country of Ireland (also impacted by this policy), the conservative Catholic Prime Minister, Enda Kenny, phrased it this way:
"The rape and torture of children were downplayed or 'managed' to uphold instead the primacy of the institution, its power, standing and 'reputation'… because of “the horrors it perpetrated, hid and denied,” Kenny called for action by the government to make sure the law “will always supersede canon laws that have neither legitimacy nor place in the affairs of this country"."
Jeremiah 7; 16-20 "…pray not thou for this people… for I will not hear thee. Seest thou not what they do… The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN… Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place"
Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity with The Edict of Milan in 313 A.D., later the Edict of Thessalonica in 380 AD made Christianity the state religion. There was a push to unite the empire by making it easy for pagans to join the Church. Pagan shrines to the "Mother Goddess" became shrines to Mary, statues of Jupiter became Peter, Ishtar's day became Easter, etc. Many unbiblical pagan beliefs and practices were syncretized with Christianity and a union of church and state took place to form a religious-based political control system, a theocracy. Unfortunately, it put an apostate, paganized, heretical form of Christianity in power. This formed the papacy which martyred the real Christians by the millions in cruel inquisitions and eventually led to the Protestant Reformation against its heresies.
Here is the context of the quote YOU say only refers to Mary giving birth to Christ. "Mary is the intermediary through whom is distributed unto us this immense treasure of mercies gathered by God, for mercy and truth were created by Jesus Christ. Thus as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother… pious people uniting their praises and prayers with one voice and heart at every moment of the day, saluting Mary, invoking Mary, hoping everything through Mary. Through her may all the faithful strive to obtain from her Divine Son…" http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_22091891_octobri-mense.html
Let me emphasize the text makes her an intermediary through which we must go to receive mercy (salvation) and to whom we should give praise and prayer. This makes her a mediatrix with divine attributes worthy of worship as is explicitly stated in reams of official Catholic sources but is a violation of scripture and is in fact "another Gospel" (2 Corinthians 11:4).
Mary Or Dead “Saints” As Mediators For Catholics Catholic Catechism 1994: Items #969,828,956
Mary is Mediatrix, CCC 969, “Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”512
CCC 2677 ″By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the ‘Mother of Mercy,’ the All-Holy One. We give ourselves over to her… to surrender ‘the hour of our death’ wholly to her care.”
We do not need to go through Mary to receive salvation, that is unbiblical. We are called to have a direct personal relationship with Christ, the ONLY mediator between God and man.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and ONE mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.
Here are a couple of videos to explain what is wrong with Mariology, from a Christian perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHGuE30W9eg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IljNWrCmgAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKeXByhhhvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idPVzqP4lpQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiKGHzBtl5o
Similar info was already supplied here
You keep scapegoating the Jews but every source I am quoting is coming from Christians who follow the bible and know that it does not teach Mary worship. The dogmas of the Catholic Church regarding Mary are a dangerous deception that diverts devotion and relationship away from Christ. The cult of Mariology, where she replaces the pagan "Queen of Heaven" is just as idolatrous as worshiping her under a different name.
It goes back to Babylon with Nimrod and Semiramis and Tammuz. Her name and characteristics changed from culture to culture, In China, Semiramis was the "Holy Mother". The Scandinavians called her "Disa", to the Druids the "Vigo-Paritura", to the Germans, "Hertha.", to the Greeks she was "Aphrodite", the Romans called her "Venus" and her son was "Jupiter". The Canaanites, and sometimes even the Israelites, worshipped "Ashtoreth" (Judges 2:13; 10:6; I Samuel 7:3-4; 12:10; I Kings 11:5, 33; II Kings 23:13), who was also known as "the queen of heaven" (Jeremiah 7:18). In Ephesus, the Great Mother was known as "Diana".
Personally, my soteriology is more in line with Arminianism. I disagree with the cold determinism of Calvin. I think that both he and Luther embraced Augustine's Manichean fatalism and their widespread influence in Protestantism enthroned that view for a long time.
The existence of sin and evil are easily understood as resulting from the abuse of free will but saying that (for example) a priest raped a child because God predestined him to do it before the world began is ludicrous. We are free moral agents and responsible for our choices. In fact, we shall face judgment for them. To say that God made him do it and will also punish him for it, would make God into a moral monster. His sovereignty does not require "meticulous providence" and that view is fraught with difficulties.
I don't wish to turn the thread into a debate on predestination vs free will, or the relationship between works and faith, or any of the other issues honest scholars debate. Most of the arguments would disappear if we didn't have an enemy in our midst, infiltrating protestant churches and playing divide and conquer. So let's take down the "Snake King" in the Vatican and sort out the lesser issues later.
I see that you are still not addressing the actual arguments and are continuing to resort to ad hominem attacks. That only shows that you have no legitimate response, no biblical or logical support for your Mary Worship.
You are also running to the "weasel word" veneration. It is a synonym for worship that attempts a deceptive denial, an "escape hatch" to avoid the charge of heresy. In word and practice, Catholics DO actually elevate Mary (and even idols of her) to divinity and worship her as the "Queen of Heaven", though they simultaneously deny it because they KNOW it is heresy to do so.
"… when she [Mary] is the subject of preaching and "'WORSHIP"' she prompts the faithful to come to her Son…" (Vatican Council II, p. 420).
"Based on the dictionary, no clear difference between veneration and worship exists. In fact, veneration and worship are often used as synonyms for each other. The Bible nowhere instructs followers of Jesus Christ to offer worship, veneration, adoration, or anything similar to anyone but God. Nowhere does the New Testament describe any followers of Jesus Christ worshipping, venerating, or adoring anyone other than God. They did not receive worship, either. Peter refused to receive adoration from Cornelius (Acts 10:25–26), and Paul and Barnabas were equally adamant that the people of Lystra not venerate them (Acts 14:15). Twice in the Book of Revelation (Revelation 19:10; 22:8), the apostle John begins to worship an angel, and the angel instructs him, “Worship God!” Mary and the saints who have gone to heaven before us would say the same thing: “Worship God!”
The Bible always ascribes honor, in the context of worship, to God alone (1 Chronicles 29:11; 1 Timothy 1:17; 6:16; Revelation 4:11; 5:13). Even if there were biblical support for different levels of worship, there still would be no biblical support for offering lower/lesser levels of worship to anyone other than God. Only God is worthy of worship, adoration, praise (Nehemiah 9:6; Revelation 4:11; 15:4), and veneration, no matter how it is defined" - https://www.gotquestions.org/veneration.html
> collecting lies and bullshit to throw at the Church
Sorry, but the word of God (scriptures) that the Vatican violates is the truth, not lies and bullshit.
> but you can't venerate Mary my Tenach says so… I got 99 problems but Jewish customary law ain't one.
I gave you scriptures from both the old and new testaments to refute Mary Worship and the resources I linked are Christian, not Jewish. You were informed of this before and are well aware my sources are not Jewish. So the fact that you repeatedly keep LYING and scapegoating the Jews reveals who your father is, as do your MURDEROUS statements discussed in this post >>4464013
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
> evil fascist nazi chauvinist cis pigs from hell
Please do not attempt to put words in my mouth, ad hominem attacks are your specialty, not mine. I have friends and family in the Catholic system. I oppose the system and its heresies, corruption, and criminality, not individual Catholics who are deceived and used by it. I love them enough to tell them the truth, even though I suffer abuse for it.
Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Gregg Braden predicted the world would end in 2012 due to a “reverse polarity” of the Earth’s magnetic field. Here is a quote about the Mayan calendar and 2012 - "our world age has an expiration date. It ends at a specific time, with a specific event, on a day that was marked on a calendar more than 2,000 years ago. There is no secret about that date."
He is well known for peddling New Age nonsense and speculative pseudo-science as if it were factual. I won't bother to debunk him, many already have. I will simply attach a video that deals with his twaddle.
As for your picture of an old text leading you to claim the defeat of those opposed to your Gnostic Luciferian teachings. Really? Perhaps you should run it past Dr. Michael Heiser and see if it passes the sniff test - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDyl1qrpj_Q
If you wish to "throw away the book" like the notable transcendentalist Ralph Waldo Emerson did, you will still have natural revelation to guide you and what God requires will still be written on your heart. Both good things but also meaning you will also be held accountable for your deeds in the judgement and ignorance wont be an excuse.
Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Romans 2:14-16 Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them. This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Of course, if you were to inform your faith with what God has revealed through his prophets and his Son (the book), you will have a great advantage. It is advanced spiritual knowledge, the true light to guide you. If you reject that light, your chances of being deceived and overcome by the evil one are very great indeed. He will bring false light and you will have no objective truth to help you recognize the counterfeit. The danger is, you will be lost on a a sea of subjective thought with nothing to calibrate your internal compass and an enemy with a magnet trying to lead you off course.
Existential experience, with the innate moral compass planted within, with the striving of his Spirit, is still limited without the authoritative guidance of the Word - that's true. The opposite is also true. Without existential expression and internal witness, the Word does not produce a crop. As in the parable of the seed that fell on rocky soil, or shallow soil, only under certain conditions will the Word produce a crop. In fact, because false teacher abuse the word is can be used to cause harm.
Bishop Raymond John Lahey had a Bachelor of Theology, a Licentiate in Theology (L.Th.), and Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) but he was still caught lying to protect the pedophile priests in his charge and was himself caught importing child pornography of the most graphic, horrendous, and torturous kind. Something more is required than rationally apprehending the Word, one must live the Word, one must have a personal relationship with the one the word points to, by allowing his Spirit to indwell you. The ministry of the Spirit, transforming, renewing, imparting life.
It is best to have both working in unison. The Word and the merits of rationalism should not be ignored, downplayed, or rejected. Neither should a living personal spiritual relationship with God, which is what the word should be leading to and informing.