I think any non-normalfag anime fan will agree that anime has never been worse than it is now.

The late 80s saw the OVA boom which allowed anime studios to make short series with very fluid animation catered towards niche communities due to high budgets of the time. After that, we had the 90s in which Evangelion made it so that TV anime became a respectable medium as well which didn't just cater to children and produced some very creative works such as Shoujo Kakumei Utena, Serial Experiments Lain, Cowboy Bebop and Berserk. Then we had the 2000s, at this point anime was already somewhat in decline but this was probably the period which saw the most experimentality in both visuals and concepts and gave us shows such as Brigadoon: Marin to Melan, Chikyuu Shoujo Arjuna, Metropolis, Afro Samurai, Princess Tutu, Haibane Renmei and Panty & Stocking.

But now, it seems that anime has become a market led by suits that caters to as large and as young of an audience as possible rather than the otakus of old who mainly consisted of adults. Every year, shows come out that all look the same, have poorly-done animation and the amount of CG in what are supposed to 2D-animated anime increases every year as well. They all follow an already existing set of gimmicks and archetypes rather than trying out new concepts and writing actual characters.

I did not make this thread to discuss the differences between the current era of anime and that of the past nor to be nostalgic about older shows. I'd like to ask the question: what do you think needs to happen for the current age of anime to end? Do you think the future holds more promising anime for us or will Japanese animation continue to decline until nothing is left but a parody of itself?

>inb4 hurr they said this in the 90s as well

They did say that anime was declining in past decades, yes. And they were right, I think the people such as Miyazaki who were already complaining about the state of the anime industry years ago will simply think to themselves "I was right" when looking at what it has become now. So that's not really an argument for why the current decade of anime is supposedly not bad compared to previous ones.

Correction: Metropolis was not a TV show but a film.

>cherrypicking from 30+ years of anime

there were plenty of shit anime back then too anon

>what do you think needs to happen for the current age of anime to end?

something like what (((netflix))) or (((kickstarter))) have done: given studios the funding they need to make the projects either the studio wants to make (netflix) or backers want them to make (kickstarter), rather than depending on BD sales and merch to fund them (which is largely the cause of waifubait and stagnant character design).

>>47298

the only real question is this: how much if at all have Jews infiltrated anime?

besides Jews, I'm sick of the slice-of-life and high-school bullshit. Bring back more Manime.

>>47316

>there were plenty of shit anime back then too anon

I know you fucking faggot, the problem is that there are ZERO good anime now. Also, the amount of shitty anime back then was lower than it is now. I'd rather have a handful of really shitty anime and a handful of genuinely good anime every season like was the case then, than to have 50+ really shitty shows every season and one really good series a year like is the case now.

>given studios the funding they need to make the projects either the studio wants to make (netflix) or backers want them to make (kickstarter)

I think the issue with is that anime crowdfunding does often not raise enough money for anything more than like 15 minutes of animation, Kick-Heart is an example of an anime funded entirely with Kickstarter, it looks great but it was only 12 minutes long. The issue with large companies funding anime is that just like with current anime production commitees, there will always be a catch to why they get the funding; with Netflix this seemed to be that the series need to have some sort of political undertone.

>>47298

If you pick five series from a period of 40 seasons you're going to get the best. You can also do the reverse to tell how bad a decade is. In reality most anime are mediocre so if you don't enjoy even mediocre anime you're not an anime fan.

>>47316

Correct.

>>47317

The Jews fear the samurai.

>>47319

We have an Manime thread for you to whine in.

>>47319

>I'm sick of the slice-of-life and high-school bullshit

>Bring back more Manime

Won't happen unless japs change their education system or something.

>>47321

>so if you don't enjoy even mediocre anime you're not an anime fan

Modern anime is not mediocre, it's unredeemable garbage. I don't agree with your stance though, I enjoy anime from all genres and eras but only if they're well-made and if there was some sort of love put into them. This is not the case with all those shitty LN adaption that have same-face character designs.

>>47326

Then you're not an anime fan. You're a medium hopper that will only enjoy the best of any given medium before sticking your dick into the next. It also makes you feel good to hate something which is a character flaw. Read books then. You have 3000 years worth of cherry picking to do with that.

>>47321

>i-i-i don't like you here!

get over it

>>47334

Eat my dick, sensitive nu-male.

>>47335

Eat my shit, gender-fluid faggot.

>>47336

You have some degenerate fetishes.

>>47331

I'm not a medium hopper, I don't give a shit about literature, live-action tv shows, western animation, vidya etc. You're just projecting your own low standards on me.

>hurr I enjoy eating shit that means you have to also like eating shit if you want to call yourself a food fan

Kill yourself, normalfag.

>>47340

You watch 50 anime and you call yourself the king of taste? Fuck off faggot. You don't enjoy anime.

>>47339

you're obsessed with dicks

>>47320

>>47326

>there are ZERO good anime now

https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animelist&type.tvseries=1&orderby.rating=0.2&orderby.name=1.1&noalias=1&airdate.start=1-1-2010&airdate.end=9-1-2018

not even sure what your flavor is but you'd have to be a troll to not admit meguca/mushishi/gup/ etc were good

>>47331

>"u-u-ur not a real sekrit clubber!"

it's the /pol/eddit poster, he thinks anime is like the ethnostate.

>>47344

You're going to have to come with a new boogeyman to haunt your dreams of posting on /animu/. I don't have a nickname because I'm just a regular poster. I can fade back into the ether anytime I want instead of sticking to some schtick autistically parroting myself like a retard. 4/10. You actually offended me.

>>47344

>/pol/eddit shills slice-of-life and high-school shit

they always did have a masculinity problem.

Compared to now, how much Korean outsourcing and similar methods was done back in the day, anyway?

>>47346

glad you're offended, you deserve it.

>>47346

>>47349

both of you retards fuck off already

>>47348

Koreans have been used for the past 25 years. It's just cheaper so from a business stand point when you don't have a lot of money the studio will "make it werk". These days are more trying to use new tech to improve the process for cheaper. That's why you get 3DCGI anime. Like any new budding tech it's going to suck at first.

>>47352

fuck you up the ass, dipshit.

go ahead and ban me, I'll just come back with proxies again :^)

>>47353

would it even have been viable to use koreans before the digital age? having to ship cels between japan and korea must have been quite expensive

>>47341

I've finished nearly 500 anime as of date and dropped hundreds, go fuck yourself. People who use the "muh newfag" claim are often new to anime themselves.

>>47343

Madoka Magica is shit and overrated, just because it has high ratings doesn't make it good. Mushishi is great but it was adopted from a manga that was made prior to this decade.

>gup

And you call me a troll?

>>47355

Typically it's inbetweens. So you have a pencil drawing of the keys and you ship them a copy and they paint the frames between the key frames. They ship the finished product back and it's cheaper than hiring someone in house. It comes with the risk of being a shoddy product but that's a decision the production committee and the director have to make: does the benefit outweigh the cost?

>>47298

We all love cancer, anon.

Why change something that is already in all of us.

This is how long anime takes to be made currently.

>>47324

From what I hear is that rural areas have it better in terms of the schooling and tend to be less depressed, from some other anons who lived in Japan.

At least bring it back to how it was in 2005.

>>47298

>implying anime was never made to give people money

>implying anime was never made for children

>implying anime wasn't failing back then because of the mediocrity combined with the consumers

>implying there weren't equally-shitty animes back then like nowadays

>implying there aren't anime made just for business

>implying there haven't been great anime recently

>implying that making anime underground again will bring an era of perfection

Anon, what kind of glue did you sniff? What did you smoke? I want some of that, badly.

This is simply another talk of "hurrdurr the XX's were better" like in music boards/forums.

Eltilists often blind themselves with arguments like this pretending that they old days were btter when in reality the past was either very similar, or in some cases, much worse. Just because you prefer an era over the other doesn't automatically m,ean it's much better than now, us people often erase away all the bad memories and all the bad things that were around those times and only take out what's convenient for us or what was actually good.

Take this for example, I love the 90's, I adore it, it's my favorite decade in music history by far and I think OK Computer and The Fragile are landmarks in music. BUT I often take off my rose-tinted glasses to realize that a lot, if not most, of the music that was popular there was abysmal pop, horrendous britpop and lots, lots of mediocre hip-hop, not to mention all the bands trying to suck in on the industrial and grunge success and failing at it. This is true for many types of media including anime, yes, Evangelion and Lain might have been masterpieces and everyone loves them, but remember all those abysmal series that came around that time, those anime that were completely trash and those that tried way too hard, every decade has its' load of shit, you're just used to a different kind of shit combined with the huge raise in anime popularity, I honestly do want anime to go unpopular again but don't expect that to save the complete industry, specially because Japan doesn't care as much about what western fans think of the quality of anime here as much as they do there because of all those otaku and hikkikomori.

>>47413

>muh elitists

>muh rose-tinted glasses

>completely ignores how even if you ignore all the trash there's still fewer standout shows and OVAs in the 2010s than in previous decades

>actually likes OK Computer

OP's post is shit but fags like you aren't helping. If you honestly think people will look back on this decade like they do the 2000s, you've got your head in the sand.

>>47418

They will because 12 year old elitists like yourself will be in the future looking back at the 10s with rose-tinted glasses.

>>47413

You kinda have a valid point.

>>47418

>thinking OK Computer is shit

Although I prefer Kid A

>>47413

>I love the 90's, I adore it, it's my favorite decade in music history by far

That is fucking garbage.

>>47419

No things have objectively gotten worse.

The styles and production method have changed.

Things are more washed out now than they used to be, and alot of it is poorly drawn. There's barely any attention to detail compared to anime from the 80s. It's all jerky too, not smooth like it used to be.

I'll take cute over deep any day

>>47419

>the present can't possibly be worse than the past because the past had problems too

>it's just rose tinted glasses goyim

>you don't want to be an elitist like the evil nazis do you goyim?

The rose tinted glasses argument is abused by shitters like yourself to paint the present as good enough no matter how bad things get and excuse your own shit taste. The argument isn't that the past lacked loads of forgettable anime, it's that our decade has fewer and weaker standouts you'll see in a recommendation chart years from now.

If anything, rose tinted glasses is something normalfags and redditors view the present with to tell themselves that everything is fine and they can continue wolfing down shit because the past had shit too.

>>47428

It's a good thing you don't matter.

>>47428

Even SOL shows that are supposed to be cute are garbage and fail to capture the spirit of the truly good ones like Yuru Yuri or Binchou-tan, take some recent examples like Hinako Note or Gabriel DropOut for example. Fuck, there are probably even more recent examples of SOL shows that sucked ass but I quit watching seasonal anime altogether like a year ago.

>Wants to "fix" anime

>doesn't even know Japanese

Don't make me laugh.,anon.

>>47298

Fix modern society.

The japs are less fucked than us in this regard, but it doesn't mean that they aren't affected by the globalist-materialist culture the US forced on the world. Fact is, you're going to reliably make the most money by captivating an audience early and you can avoid losses best by closely imitating what was successful before while cutting corners wherever possible.

It is irrational to expect someone operating within the current civilizational paradigm to do anything else.

It'll probably fix itself once America collapses, Europe becomes a Caliphate while Japan reinstates the Emperor as divine head of state and enters a new period of Sakoku until they go back to a truly Japanese society rather than a western society with Japanese characteristics.

>>47443

I'm not saying I have the ability to fix anime, I just wanted to hear proposals of what could be possible solutions to the problem I described. I realise that Japs don't give a shit about westerners but sometimes I find myself wondering if there aren't otaku Japs out there who have a similar mindset and find the current state of affairs depressing. It can't possible be that the average Japanese anime fan that is older than say, 12 actually likes the kind of shit that is being pumped out right now.

>>47449

Interesting take, could you perhaps give some examples of how anime is affected by western kikery? I know about the state of affairs surrounding Netflix-funded anime but I don't really see how the leftist cancer from the west has really affected anime as a whole so far.

I do notice a strong increase in adaptions of Chinese works which is interesting as most Japs seemingly despise the Chinese and vice versa.

>>47343

Give it up, anon. That's how shitposters operate. He already said that all modern anime is shit. He'll shit on any counter examples you give, no matter how good they are.

>>47451

I said in that same post that every year one genuinely good series does come out. The zero part was supposed to be an hyperbole.

Anyway, I already said in the OP that this thread is not supposed to be about discussing old anime but about how to make modern anime good. And just because you disagree with me doesn't make me a shitposter.

>>47455

>just because you disagree with me doesn't make me a shitposter.

That's not the reason you're a shitposter.

None of you fags were watching anime in the 80s, and very few of you were in the 90s.

>>47469

I wasn't even born until 1998. How is that my fault?

>>47469

Do you have to be alive during a certain era to be able to put greater value in the works of that specific era and think that they were better than its modern-day counterpart? If a person who did watch anime during those times were to say these things then you would just say that he's doing so because of nostalgia, you seasonalfags always have excuses.

>>47470

Stop being a faggot.

>>47428

>>47298

>How to fix anime in the current year.

I'll give the solution to all media in the current year.

The abolishment of irony, insincerity constant mockery and memefication of things.

Especially the things that should be inspiring, like fantasy.

Simply taking "magical whimsy"seriously again would refresh many souls.

That is all, please use your intellect to extrapolate the ramifications of the concept of sincerity to other genres.

It is the most easily obtainable solution, yet also the most effective. Even if everything else remained, like jew infestations and co, anime would still improve.

Many people are tired of chomping on their bits having to endure "irony", which often drags things through the mud.

>>47479

There is plenty of great anime that has come out in the past 5 years and I don't think it's fair to dismiss them just because the industry is oversaturated with low quality poorly animated high school romcom #456. Blame the free market, they wouldn't be making this crap if it didn't sell.

>>47484

Oh, wisecracking is fine though. Bring on the dark Schneiders and co.

It's just "irony", that is the poison. Insincerity. Be a goof but be a sincere one.

This is hard to put into words but I am sure you can read the air of my post, so to speak.

Don't make a mockery out of your own creation.

Be an ulillillia, who takes even his weirdass autismo stories seriously.

Knuckles, his weird fucking OC is treated with utmost sincerity, it's kind of a retarded character, but taking even that seriously in the context of his work is so much better for him than not, even if his autismo shit is still unintentionally funny.

At least he would be able to sincerely entertain a child who doesn't know better, but still deliver a sincere albeit awkward product.

Simple things can be nice if they are sincere.

>>47487

Alright, I'm going to list all the TV anime that I think are genuinely good that have aired in the last 3 years. That means no "well, it wasn't that bad…" or "there wasn't THAT much cg…" bullshit excuses, only shows that had love put into them and can somewhat be compared to anime of old and didn't rely on following an already existing template to attain popularity.

>Hakumei to Mikochi

>Mahoujin Guruguru

>first half of Little Witch Academia

>Urara Meirochou

>Kemono Friends

>Flip Flappers

>Uchouten Kazoku 2

There a few handful of others that I enjoyed but had major issues with either writing or visuals and/or were forgettable. Now, one might say that this is a reasonable amount of good anime but this is a list of shows that have aired over a timespan of 3 years in which hundreds of series aired. And yet I only really enjoyed a few of them. Meanwhile, if you gave me a random year, ONE year, in the 90s or 2000s, I could easily pick double this amount.

Also, these are shows that I think are of high quality and tried something different but they're still nothing compared to the best of the previous decades. The 2010s are almost over and we had nothing as memorable as Evangelion, Lain or even something a bit less popular like Kino's Journey or Haibane Renmei; something that people talk about years after they ended airing. The closest thing we had was Kill la Kill but that mainly blew up because it had a really good first episode but constantly declined after that.

>>47493

1991

>>47406

>2005

I'll even have 2009 at this point

>>47449

You are a dumb asshole and the US didn't force anything on you. We didn't tell you to elect communists. Go back to /brit/ or whatever shithole you crawled out of.

>once America collapses

You aren't going to do anything unless America thrives and pulls your ass out of the fire, dumbass.

>angry autist that hates modern anime and spams walls of text makes a thread

I'm enjoying anime and you're powerless to stop me. Stay mad normalnigger.

>>47484

>Muh cuckchan ironic weeb memes drive the Japanese anime industry

I'm sorry anon, you may have brain problems.

>>47455

>It's not a shitpost if I have a theme

lolisRdead and artform fag do the same shit, you just have another schtick.

>>47581

Wow, haven't seen that same face in about 50 different shows.

>>47450

Anime is effected because the entire Jap society is built on the western/American model. It's more resistant due to them mixing it a bit with local ideas, but it's still American materialism that rules the land in Japan and it means that they're going to produce the things with the highest chance of a good return, the lowest chance of a failure, and the least cost possible. It's capitalism (note: communism isn't any better). The people in control of the anime industry don't believe in any higher values than money, so they only go after money. They don't give a shit if their product is good as long as it makes money. Because that's what society tells them is good, since that mindset is really the only way to get ahead.

>>47546

>Make insane demands so Emperor has to abdicate and is replaced by (((politicians)))

>Proceed to hang the entire government a few decades afterwards because it was too good

>Openly give commands to politicians into the 70s

>Still occupy the country

>We dindu nuffin

Yes, you did. And you demanded of the brits to give up their Empire. And you forced the Japs to stop having their Emperor as a god and to not have him as head of state.

You're responsible for the current state of the world.

>>47484

You aren't wrong. I can't explain it any better, but if you don't get it from reading the post, go read "The King of Elfland's Daughter". It's a really old fantasy story (as in, pre-Tolkien), and it shows the differences to modern fantasy very strongly.

>>47613

>You're responsible for the current state of the world.

Friendly reminder that the Western world had always been under (((their))) thumb ever since before the Industrial Revolution.

Both Britcucks and the Americucks played a pivotal role in paving the way for Israel's rise in power. Both were nothing but the Jews' houseniggers.

>>47589

What if these are all my genuine opinions but I just happen to write in an exaggerated manner? Stop pretending like anything you don't like is shitposting.

Going back to cel animation would solve a lot of problems.

>>47583

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the "parodies" of LN tropes shows which pretend to be self-aware but eventually end up being exactly like the real deal like Konosuba, Re;Zero, Ero-Manga Sensei etc.

>>47583

>I'm sorry anon, you may have brain problems for thinking that mockery and irony is a poison.

You'll wish people like me back when it is YOUR turn to be tired of that kind of shit and then you have to hear people like YOU mock you for wanting something that should be fundamental to any work of art.

You want to see what irony does to media?

Look at western cartoons. Look at things like "disenchanted".

>this is a story of fantasy

>oh the lead actually hates this kind of shit lol hahahaha, you thought you could have fantasy back hahah haha hahah hahahaH HAHAHAHA HAHA HA HAH AH HAH HA HAHAHAH HAAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

>EAT YOUR SARDONIC, DISGRUNTLED, IRONY FLAKES, PLEB

Same with shit like Thundercats roar and the like

Anime examples?

Hataraku Maosama and that recent one, Dropkick something or other.

I think both started out with a nice and serious fantasy looking thing, but no, fuck that.

Have a gag (harem) show.

Gotta laugh, goy. Laugh, goy.

Fucking keep laughing. Keep the fuck laughing. Gotta ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Tired of laughing yet? I supe hope not cause ha ha here look at this mythological creature, here, lets stab it in the head.

Hah ha hah ah hahahahahaha.

Inspiration? Soaring souls? Celebration of beauty and whimsy and deep, meaningful peril?

Thinking big and showing visions of a future that one might want to work toward?

Yeah, nah, cunt. Eat your dressed up tsukkomi performance, look they both have nice fuckable bodies. You don't need anything else.

Yearn as much for even basic bitch stuff like embed as you like.

Eat your fucking boke! flakes. Faggot. The eternal tsukkomi and laughing at things. Laugh at the fantasy.

Laugh at this creature that could be used to tell a gripping story, she's a tsukkomi bitch now.

Raff motherfuckar! RAFF!

>>47642

> she's a tsukkomi bitch now.

by the way, the long term effect of that that it will be harder for you to enjoy something like that even if they do take it seriously if until now everything just got fucking mocked to death.

When was the last time you took a skeleton seriously?

In reality, the thought of even the bones of someone that has passed away and was supposed to be resting and kept cherished with a "in memoriam" plaque being animated and forced to do the dark biddings of some degenerate, perverted (as in twisted) new master would be an incredibly warped, awful thing.

But, no, bro, doot doot, motherfucker.

Doot, doot, door.

Exorcise all things that go beyond a chuckle.

You only need gags and maybe a fap here and there.

After some years of monster girls, would you be able to take a show that doesn't use them as meme fap bait seriously? Would you see the honest attempt of creating something supernatular or would you think "lol that's a bunyip and they don't behave like that"?

RAFF, BICHI! RAFF!

>no fun allowed

Fun is allowed, just take care when it comes to things, don't let them exorcise ALL things, it's completely fine to demand something with substance.

>>47644

and tl; dr:

we gave it away for a cheap joke.

we had to laugh, bro, so we gave it away, no matter what it was, just to do that nasal exhale "laugh" and, if it was particularily "funny" actually chuckle or laugh here and there.

That's worth it.

Do handstands and put bottles in your ass in irony, it's funny. Lol. That funny lol is worth it.

Cherished things propagated throughout the history of all of our peoples, European, Japanese, now nothing but a laughing stock.

Things that were a flame in the darkness for our people, now nothing but a laughing stock.

Ideals and dreams to give meaning to yourself and the world, now nothing but a laughing stock.

It's like veganism, insidious, if you were raised with proper food it will take a decade or so for the effects to really come in, same with anime.

You'll laugh, a decade, two…but in the second you might have already been damaged,but kept silent from seeing all the repeats, the same shit but no matter how much you take in, you feel hungry.

Your laugh lasted for a few minutes, the thing you laughed at could have lasted you for longer had it been played straight.

the embed of this post is liked by many, the music, the comfy "idea", and it's based on a silly little character, but it refreshes the souls of people.

It's so powerful, but we gotta laugh, I guess.

>>47645

>the embed of this post is liked by many, the music, the comfy "idea", and it's based on a silly little character, but it refreshes the souls of people.

Which just shows the meaning I wanted to get at in my earlier post:

>>47488

>Simple things can be nice if they are sincere.

>>47484

>It is the most easily obtainable solution, yet also the most effective.

It really is the most easily obtained solution, too.

This gondola clip is refreshing and wholesome because it simply takes itself and the message it wants to express seriously.

But apparently I am brain damaged. So take that with a grain of salt.

>>47640

If that's the case neither of you know what irony means.

>>47646

You are brain damaged, you just gave yourself up by replying to your own post.

>>47658

At least I have a foreskin.

>>47331

<If you don't like what I tell you to like, you're no true Scotsman

Crawl back to tumblr and stay gone faggot.

>>47642

>>47644

>>47645

>western culture overdoses on irony and subversion

>instead of suggesting they dial it back anon loses his mind and ability to write good posts

Read those posts again and tell me they aren't a disjointed clusterfuck. Judaism has rotted your mind.

>>47798

It will not grow back, you know?

Ever.

>>47347

They always lead the least manly lives too. Most of them don't even have manual labor jobs.

[-]

It's a Japanese industry, why the fuck would you think Westerners have any control over it?

>>47642

There are a few sincere or at least only very mildly "ironic" fantasy anime/manga in the style that you describe, but they are not popular or actually used to be popular but are now just considered a niche. Guin Saga is an example. I guess it didn't help that the source material for that one are actual fantasy novels.

>>47737

You do not, you're obviously a kike.

>>47866

>implying American culture (and jews) hasn't tainted everything and every culture on Earth

>>48458

>American "culture"

>>48924

Not a Burgeristani, but even Americans have culture. Motown by itself made my fellow countrymen stops trying to make music anymore.

This is the never-ending march of "progress". Your internet will be flooded with normalfag shitters. Your fringe internet communities will be flooded with idiots. Your films will become ADHD capeshit. Your anime will be taken over by streamsitesl And you'll leave here too. You won't be able to make a new board, a new site, because the problem isn't how hidden your community is, or infiltrators, or shit moderation. It's a common factor in everything that is bad for us right now. Normalniggers dominate the internet in increasing numbers every year. You can't filter out idiocy when only 1% of the internet population isn't a fuckwit or some gen Z iphone kid.

I don't know why you'd think you can stop, reverse, or change the direction things are headed. Everything is going in one direction. Even politically you won't reverse "progress", and politics can be argued to our favor, while the progress in technology, ease of access to the internet, is a fact.

>>49916

There's always space for a niche community, anon. I agree that normalfags ruin shit for everyone. But niche will still be there. You have to be genki, not cranky!

>>49916

>You can't filter out idiocy when only 1% of the internet population isn't a fuckwit or some gen Z iphone kid

Sure you can, at least approximately.

I guarantee you that, for example, an IPFS-imageboard wouldn't suffer from normalfag invasion for years to come as they couldn't even get it installed.

A gopher textboard or a bbs wouldn't suffer from normalfag invasion because they'd just laugh it off as too old-fashioned.

>>49373

>but even Americans have culture

Not much, since most of American "culture" can be traced back to Europe and (((them))).

But to be fair 500+ years is not enough to develop a wealth of culture.

>Wahhhhhh anime is shit now

>But this isn't a nostalgia-faggot thread :^)

Fuck you. Fuck this thread.

Anime is fantastic right now. There's a wealth of original shows in a huge variety of genres. There's a fair bit of LN, manga, or VN pushers, but never too many. There's more shorts than ever before. The children's toy-pusher are better than ever. There's something for every single faggot, whether that be shounenshitters, MANIME (same as previous tbh) anikinnoisseurs, SoL 'moeshitters', or even the run of the mill normalfag.

Directors famous for their daring and bold successes in the 90's are still alive and kicking, but are now trusted to do whatever they please every so often, resulting in incredible hits. And with CGI at their disposal, opening up a whole new world of possibilities, they can be increasingly more creative in approach. CGI itself has saved a few dying genres and opened up others.

Art is universally clean and pretty, usually on-model, and are more serious than previous eras. Rarely do you see visual gags (mixed bag tbh,) or QUALITY. Everything and everyone is cute!

The only aspect which has taken a small hit has been the writing department, but overall we're on the up and up. Modern anime is great!

>>50100

>>>/cuckchan

>>>/facebook/

>>>/twitter/

>>>/tumblr/

>>>/reddit/

>>49916

>>50090

I've been thinking of a concept of a closed anonymous imageboard/forum where registration is hidden and restricted with steep filtering level, like IRC interviews on a private trackers. The imageboard/forum itself is closed/invisible to lurkers and people without account, and anonymity is enforced to every registered members except to moderators and administrators, meaning no usernames, avatars and signatures visible most of the time.

Getting good moderators and administrators who won't get high on their own power will still be a problem, but at least the forum doesn't have to deal with normalfaggots as much as these open imageboards we're inhabiting.

IPFS and other technical barriers might prevent normalfags from joining, but it doesn't have much time barrier and I think once popular Jewtubers make tutorials on how to penetrate those IPFS forums we'll still be fucked.

If you want a more secure barrier, look at Gentoo: its installation takes 9 hours and some real effort, even with proper guides, and the result is only neckbeards bother to install it.

>>50094

>500+ years is not enough to develop a wealth of culture.

Would you kindly elaborate that? And how much time does it take for a culture to grow rich?

I've been to a third world country whose native culture has been destroyed by Islam around the 16th century and the populace is now practically a mix of Araboos and Westaboos, at least in my observation. It's interesting how (forced) cultural admixture only confuse societies and damages their unity.

>>50103

Compelling argument. My rebuttal.

>>>/suicide

>>>/killyourself/

>>>/kys/

>Anime is fantastic right now

You can't even watch anime with subtitles anymore. Only available subs are some corporate faggot who thinks we don't actually care what they're saying, and chooses to do an English re-writing of each sentence, with no cultural references, and everything Anglicised.

>anikinnoisseurs

haha K I N O :D

>And with CGI at their disposal, opening up a whole new world of possibilities, they can be increasingly more creative in approach

I can't tell if this is bait. I'm so detached from the average normalshitter I don't know if people seriously believe this.

>Art is universally clean and pretty, usually on-model, and are more serious than previous eras

These are the retards that /pol/ attracts. Newfags who saw anime reaction pics for the first time in 2015, and it shapes their entire introduction and understanding of anime. Computers can't create art you fucking retard. Human effort literally defines what art is.

>Everything and everyone is cute!

I should've finished reading. Feel like a retard now not recognizing bait.

>>50100

>but are now trusted to do whatever they please every so often

Wrong. They're forced to do whatever that makes the most profit.

>The only aspect which has taken a small hit has been the writing department

It's taken a massive hit. Almost everything is the same nowadays, because nobody wants to take any risks. Creativity is thrown away in favor of more shekels, faggot.

>>50107

>Only available subs are some corporate faggot who thinks we don't actually care what they're saying, and chooses to do an English re-writing of each sentence, with no cultural references, and everything Anglicised

But I can understand enough nip to tell that you're blowing a bunch of shit. Crunchy, despite it's massive amounts of flaws, at least has a decently reliable translation. Not the greatest and it varies by show and/or which of their monkeys is doing it, but overall gets positive marks on that.

>I can't tell if this is bait. I'm so detached from the average normalshitter I don't know if people seriously believe this.

CG is unironically kino. I wont hear otherwise from some subhuman >5 anime a year redditor. CGI opens the door to a realm of possibility some nostalgianigger could only dream about. It's improving year by year and already you can get great models and effects from it. It's great!

>Computers can't create art you fucking retard. Human effort literally defines what art is.

It's a separate paragraph for a reason, you dumb dog.

I won't bother responding to your other post. Nothing you've said is worthwhile. Keep those blinders on if you want, but get the fuck out of my face you low level rank weeb.

>>50109

>But I can understand enough nip to tell that you're blowing a bunch of shit.

There are no cultural notes in crunchyroll subs. None, ever. They replace all Japanese expressions. They write modern English expressions for no reason somtimes too, which is really distracting. Like if they wrote YOLO in 2012. They needlessly change the meaning of sentences when it's not important, writing translations for key words that are wholly incorrect just because they think it's better than the original writing.

When your job is to express loosely what the sentence means in a way that sounds good to English speakers, this is the shit you get.

There are a dozen indicators you're a newfag in your post, such as your limited vocabulary, "unironically kino", so it's sad reading your anything you type out. I wouldn't be surprised if Crunchyroll subs are all you've experienced, and you've probably never watched an anime with a quality fan translation. I feel sorry for you because I know you're going to become dumber, probably still saying kino for another 2 or 3 years and forgetting how to construct a sentence, and finally become a vegetable incapable of original thought.

I'd prefer if OP restrained his terrible posts and whining to /v/, /tv/ or any of the other boards he inflicts himself on.

Sage because modern anime is where it is. Miyazaki cannot compare to the beautiful moe masterpiece that is maken-ki. Deepfags can an hero themselves.

>>50128

>Deepfags can an hero themselves

Was consciously getting these feelings as soon as I started reading your post. The derailing this thread is getting makes me more sad each time. I'm not even sure if OP was serious now, judging by this board's fervent defence of modern anime I feel it's likely he was baiting and I emotionally empathized with a fake person.

Newfag here.

>>50132

Could the derail defense force be the ones doing ironic shitposting?

I also believe the best gems availeable are oldanime and that in therms of quantity of quality series the 2000's are lacking, but I see little point in bitching about it as much as some people do.

>>47298

>will agree that anime has never been worse than it is now.

I don´t think so anon, I remember that there was a time when the anime was not only lazy but also lacked aesthetics, something that the current anime has plenty of.

I think it was between 2000 and 2010

>>47298

>hurr

>hurr durr

I like this.

>>47298

> Do you think the future holds more promising anime for us or will Japanese animation continue to decline until nothing is left but a parody of itself?

I like to be pessimistic, so I'll tell you anon.

I think the industry will remain that way for many years to come, the majority of the anime will be generic but we will still have good things like the Moe and jewels comparable to the old gods that shine by season or year as the case of Houseki no Kuni, Kemono Friends or the recent movie of Uchuu Senkan Yamato.

What made the anime of yesteryear different was the capacity and power of the people involved in the industry to generate a product that they considered quality, something that the Neo Otakus apparently do not have and cannot do but lament that they live in an era in which they lack any power to change things, perhaps in the distant future, when new technologies appear, innovative people and another type of culture that has the vision of doing things differently. Maybe in 50 or 100 years at least.

In addition, the anime industry is an entertainment industry so it is not as if everything were worth it, always open a margin of what can and cannot be tied to populism.

>>50132

OP has these same wordy rants about modern anime in half the threads on this board and on /v/, /pol/, etc. OP is stringing together buzzwords and name drops classics to make it seem like there is some kind of reasonable insight on the subject, but once you've read that shit it just comes out as "I don't like modern anime and if you do you're objectively wrong because I said so."

OP is laying b8 for retards that would mistake a childish rant as intellectual just because it comes off as well written to someone without reading comprehension. It would actually be kinda funny but OP is too autistic to keep consistent and tends to sperg out instantly when confronted. It would actually be worse if OP was sincere because that would mean this person is getting assravaged 24/7 on multiple boards over people watching little girl cartoons he doesn't like.

I think any industry reflects in one way or another the general health of a country's economy. And japan has been wobbling for some good 2 decades. I blame Shinzo Abe (then minister of economy, now PM, may god have mercy on the nips) for their current keynesian trap.

As a result, you see less passionate workers and some jobs going overseas.

>>47316

>something like what (((netflix))) or (((kickstarter))) have done

Something like this.

I have seen the Netflox anime and are not as far from the industry as one would think, they are quite similar to those animes that come out each season and that highlights a little of the others only that you notice that they have a little more budget.

>>47320

>I know you fucking faggot

>all that aggression

Why?

>>47321

> if you don't enjoy even mediocre anime you're not an anime fan.

ULTRA TIER POST

There is a moment in the evolution of the fans in which they can enjoy good mometnos of any anime.

It is one of the most beautiful stages.

>>50167

Why doesn't it carry over though? You're not a fan of film, because you only went to 5 Hollyjew movies to come out this year (even if you've watched a hundred torrented, older movies).

Saying that, I do enjoy mediocre movies, even Marvel ones. I've always seen that as something bad.

>>50168

<we are still talking about anime right?

I do not know if it will be the same with non-anime movies, but in anime that's what it is, there will be mediocre animes that will have wonderful moments that you will remember many years later and it will be beautiful.

>>50173

>>50164

>animes

>>50308

I´m sorry.

Yurushite

YURUSHITE

YURUSHITE!!!!!

>>50322

>normalfaggotry

>>>/cuckchan/

>>50337

Anon…

I´m not normal at all.

¡¡¡¡¡YURUSHITE!!!!!

>>50397

You act and type like a faggot.

Here's a better answer.

>>>/reddit/

>>>/suicide/

>>50322

>>50397

Can someone tell me why we let underaged autists post in here and why they haven't been banned yet?

>>50681

Because you could not post either.

>>50922

OH my god what a BURN! GJ dude you showed him so h*cking hard I doubt he'll ever show his face here again.

>>50151

Yes. You will never find such good graphics and animation that current animes have before.

>>50397

>YURUSHITE

What does it mean?

>>51040

YURUSHITE means "forgive me"

>>51050

So punish me should be yurushinai, right?

>>51051

We do not know, but we hope that some of the anons that speak Japanese explain us.

>>47413

>implying

>>47373

LWA is one of the best OVAs by TRIGGER, but it is not the same with the TV series.

To be honest, I felt disengaged after the first six chapters, I felt hopeful with the first three, I thought it would be something as revolutionary as Evangelion, but in the end it turned out to be one more of the season.

>>47413

>you're an elitist for thinking the older days were better than current year bullshit

>Just because you prefer an era over the other doesn't automatically m,ean it's much better than now

Things are objectively better in the olden days, faggot. The more obvious ones being cartoons and video games.

Also, faggotry was hated back in the day, unlike this pozzed dystopian present.

>>47373

Ursula's seiyuu is an old lady.

>>47373

The face of the staff to see the full work, is not exactly happiness I think.

>>47373

MORE

>>47413

>hurrdurr

I like this.

>>51051

yurusanai

>>51051

Sorry still waking up. Yurusanai is the word you're trying to spell but batsushite would be the word you're looking for. Translates as punishment(batsu) +command form of doing(suru in te form: shite)

lol 4chon sped

We need more shonen martial arts anime

>>47424

The 90's were the golden era of modern music, shitscoop.

>>56297

Are you a youngfag by chance? You aren't getting any respect around here unless you're over 40.

How many give animators a decent wage?

>>56251

>>58335

>Jewtube embeds

>>>/out/

>this pretentious faggy ill-informed thread still isn't purged

Dubs

>it seems that anime has become a market led by suits

Muh suits always had their hands in this medium you dumb nigger OP.

>Afro Samurai

That nigger show was always trash.

>what do you think needs to happen for the current age of anime to end?

For hipsters like you to get lynched since you ruin all discussion with nostalgia faggotry for shit you've never watched made in decades you didn't live in.

>>58335

>How many give animators a decent wage?

None.

>>56297

Modern ass, butt breath

>>58342

You're wrong and were denied your dubs.

>>58342

This board kinda needs a happy medium between absolutely no moderation and full retard /a/ moderation. People come here to intentionally derail threads and flood the board with trash and they have free reign to do so. This thread shouldn't even be here.

friendly reminder that anime is japanese media created by japanese people for japanese people

should you incidentally like some of their productions that's nice but you're not their target audience and your criticisms are unwelcome

>>58396

Shut up, nerd.

>>58396

Japan needs to make anime mainstream and put more moe, pantsu shot and fanservice in it. When anime consumption worldwide will increase, so will the quality of anime.

>>58396

Reminder that this was true until like the last decade.

Western values are currently having larger and larger impact on industry. See: lolicon content dying out completely.

>>58441

I couldn't be happier to see you suffer even if it's just your delusion.

>>58442

bump

>>58444

Wasted trips. Sage.

>>47298

Anime not improving? Blasphemy!

>>47320

>there are ZERO good anime now

>Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is a bad anime

>>68325

>Soul/Soulless

>>47298

>Afro Samurai

That was an anime commissioned by SpikeTV for SpikeTV you like it because the suits at SpikeTV knew baka gaijin would like Samuel L Jackson as a samurai.

>>47320

>The issue with large companies funding anime is that just like with current anime production commitees, there will always be a catch to why they get the funding; with Netflix this seemed to be that the series need to have some sort of political undertone.

>there are idiots that think suits haven't influenced anime production since the 60's

>>47356

>Madoka Magica is shit and overrated

>complains that modern anime isn't experimental in it's animation

<shits on a show that has CGI, 2D animation and fucking stop motion all wrapped up into one

I don't care if you don't like the subject matter, if you don't think that Madoka Magica has at least some creative in it's animation you are a drooling retard. Forget the story Madoka is a real animated show you faggot.

>>47355

>would it even have been viable to use koreans before the digital age?

Is the average age of users so low that they don't know that fax has been a thing for decades? Hell, a printer cut down the production costs of 101 Dalmations to the floor in comparison. You didn't actually need to ship that shit to Korea you twat. Animators have been abusing gooks since the early 90s.

>>47298

>The cancer that is the sjweebs and their flagship companies -netflix and crunchyroll- and how to fix it

ftfy faggot

>>58441

Not really.

>>47502

Funny that, good shit that were produced only happened during the period of economic recession and at the peak of stock market boom before it crashed. I wonder why.

>>73799

Let this thread rot already.

>>68335

This. tbh. OP is a garnatuan fag.

>>75886

>>75885

>>75884

If you really think that way, then follow your own example and kill yourself. Blackpill-spamming nigger, go die.

>>75888

This is true. Anime looks worse than ever (yes, much worse than before high resolution forced them to over simplify every coloring, remove all shading and use omnilight with sharp outlines)

And yes, lolis are also basically dead in anime, unless it's an adaptation that "doesn't offend anyone", so basically something that could air as a morning cartoon, visually speaking.

>>75897

I don't fucking care for "hurr blackpill vs hope" bullshit. Fuck that retarded buzzword spouting.

Point is that anime looks horrible, are horrible ("plot heavy" series will always only be never-go-anywhere advertisement series, while SoL/cute series will be extremely low budget ones), while fanservice will be the equivalent of western values (huge tits everywhere in your face, no loli allowed), and at best we get one or two original series a year that are NOT meant to pave the way for some mobage franchise expansion, and actually somehow good.

This is what the anime industry is now.

>>75903

Not necessarily disagree but you faggots are huge drama queens about it. You'd have a point if you appealed to slippery slope but SoL moeshit is that you guys shit on is the polar opposite of western subversion that blatantly demonizes innocence, femininity and ephebephilia connotations.

The only examples I can think of fitting this >>75900 fag's description is Kobayashi's Dragon Maid, that I really doubt is as popular in Japan s it is in western SJWeebs and of which the most popular character is still a loli and that other abomination about 2.5Ds talking about their periods and fucking Hollywood niggers that can't even remember its name which probably has less domestic demand than fucking Watamote.

>>75910

Are you shitting me?

Look at all the fucking fanservice, it's tits, tits, tits everywhere. And what happens when a lolicon series gets adapted? Look at Nanoha ViviD, look at Uchi no Maid-sama that's just airing. Countless nudity and pantyshots, whereas the anime completely cuts or changes those scenes - not even BD had them in Vivid's case, and same thing for Uchi no Maid.

Of course it happened with Maid Dragon too, and Illya got butchered quite heavily, especially in latter seasons, even if they had some spicy OVA to make up for it. Even legal lolis get the same treatment usually. The only way we get some lewd lolis is that the series goes completely under radar, and the loli's lewd bits overshadowed by metric tons of heavier titty monster service.

>loliautist is also blackpillfag

how can a single person be so wrong?

>>75910

Also I don't shit on "SoL moeshit", in itself, I'm stating the fact that those shows get no budget and are just low profile, or filler projects. That pretty much fits the "western influence" slope, since the west doesn't give a shit about them, and apparently neither do studios. Oh, but they DO remove loli sexualization too, if there's any present.

>>75912

He isn't, and he's right.

If you want proof, look at how loli ecchi died in anime. QED

>>75911

>failed normalfag involuntary hikis like bouncing sacks of saturated fat and the fanservice industry adapts to the demand accordingly

BREAKING NEWS!

More at 11.

How am I supposed to take your claims about "no good anime after 2010" when early 10s' where the era when the mainstream non-H industry started deviating from the literally beaner-tier formulaic shounenshits and started pouring actual money to legendarily comfy "pedobait" shit? Are you some sort of Lucky Star "KONATA ACKBAR"-shouting salafi purist?

Ah, I see that SoL hater retard is just trolling, but can't even bother to be right about one thing. Maybe if "pedobait" shows didn't start to die out at that time instead of somehow getting a surge, you would be more beliavable.

No more (you).

>>75916

Anime industry was much more moe based before the 10's.

Hell, the 00's were the golden tier of moe, loli, and akihabara-style moe, which has been reduced to shorts exclusively the past decade.

>>75914

>>75911

>>75913

>>75925

Derailer shills BTFO by truth

>>75937

Nigger, are you fucking blind or retarded?

>>75916

>>75943

Right back at you, you retarded fucking faggot shit eating drooling idiot.

Why are you posting a half decade old random mechamusume action show, an over-the-decade-old KyoAni SoL, and a pretty old low budget as hell comedy show? They have nothing in common.

And what you said earlier is still retarded as shit, as both loli and high profile SoL are more dead than ever. Your pictures even prove that.

>>75954

>an over-the-decade-old KyoAni SoL

>2009 was 30 years ago

>why are you posting a half decade old random mechamusume action show

Half decade old is still after 2010 and apparently mechamusume can still be comfy ephebiphilic fansersive making all your alarmism moot. Try fucking harder, goon.

>>75974

> can still be comfy ephebiphilic fansersive

No, you fucking retard, and exception just strengthens the rule, fucking antiloli nazi.

>>75954

> loli and high profile SoL are more dead than ever.

Please enlighten us with your long list of "high-profile" loli SoL from before the '10s and how their animation were better and the storyline less westernized than modern moeshit SoL.

hardmode: Lucky Star and Rozen Maiden don't count as loli

>>75916

>deviating from the literally beaner-tier formulaic shounenshits and started pouring actual money to legendarily comfy "pedobait" shit?

Nice bias retard

>legendarily

jesus christ, everyone just point and laugh.

>>75981

>implying english is an actual language

>>75980

>muh bi-ass!

Please explain to me how repetitive macho-shit like DBZ and masturbatory teen-fanfiction-tier shit like Chlorox and the N-word did not drown the scanslation and subs niches with taco-mumble.

>>75980

>retard

Oh the irony!

>>75977

You are mixing up different points in the argument, you raging antiloli nazi.

Loli is a different topic than animation standards, which is also a different topic than the profile of SoL series, not that your autist shounenshit eater brain can make a distinction.

>>75991

>Loli is a different topic than animation standards, which is also a different topic than the profile of SoL series

Still waiting for you to provide ANY evidence backing up your claims, moishe. Stop tangling and juggling up sentences and start providing examples, you SomethingAwful misfit.

>>75995

>>>/rec/

fucking newfag.

>retarded SAO-grown shounenshitter/"moe"hater kid comes and spergs out á la tumblr

>some retards keep feeding him

Here's a long forgotten advice to you: stop feeding the troll.

lolicucks are so fucking hard to get along with. They really force you to despise them and they always try to make every subject about their dickfeels moreso than any other group I've found.

I don't see how it doesn't all get old to them and they just stop being like that out of boredom.

>>76071

Right, how dare another opinion rear it's ugly head. This isn't a hivemind, jackass.

>>76074

I hope your daughter will get raped by a lolicon who won't have an alternative because of the industry's "proud SJWs". ;)

>>76077

>loli is not pedo

>but don't deprive me of my loli or I'll start raping children

The almonds are being activated here.

>>47298

We were thrown aside for the larger braindead audience all to maximize their profit. By industrializing our hobbies, they have brought ruin to these once creative and fertile lands. To make ends meet or enough to live comfortably is viewed as taboo and denounced. We need change, whether that comes from a new technology, a healthy collapse, a war or a new mindset backed with an improved way of teaching business in schools.

>>47316

>>47321

No. Thrice wrong. That's not what op said. You also demonstrate the lack of ability to differentiate what is and isn't quality. You probably would fail at a basic pepsi coke blind taste test. This is an old problem throughout history, exasperated by modern widespread communications. Also, reeks to me of limp wristed, passive aggressive fuckoldry. Quit jerking it to loli porn 3 times a day, ffs. The body isn't built for that.

>>47324

That screencap is fucking retarded. Doesn't make Miyazaki a hypocrite. You can see the post drips with soy. Only a fucking retard would make these shit connections. There is far more to the Nippons culture than this shallow shit-take. I remember this post and instantly thought of a couple degenerates who spew their pseudo intellectual bullshit on (((YouTube))). Nice (((Wikipedia))) tier reference fag. Did you learn that from the locked GG page?

>>76087

Damn man, you flared up at the sight of that. Hit a little close to home?

>>76088

>korean dicksucking

Furthers my points.

It's interesting that almost all of the works OP mentions were much more popular in the west than they were in Japan.

>>76092

Much of the animation techniques learned from the west. And marketting, eventually.

>>76081

>loli is not pedo

I wasn't talking about ironic lolicons though.

>>76087

>Miyazaki

>>47298

>Metropolis

>>76083

>We were thrown aside for the larger braindead audience all to maximize their profit. By industrializing our hobbies, they have brought ruin to these once creative and fertile lands. To make ends meet or enough to live comfortably is viewed as taboo and denounced.

So much based. The fact that many autists don't want to accept, is that nothing is good anymore, and nothing will ever be good ever again. Every anime released recently has been mediocre at best and that is a fact that the most redpilled of us must accept with honesty and transparency. Everything is shit now.

>We need change, whether that comes from a new technology, a healthy collapse, a war or a new mindset backed with an improved way of teaching business in schools.

Change will not happen, ever. The NPCs are too ingrained in society for change to take root. We are eternally sibservient to our overlords and shall be led into 100,000 years of death and darkness, ''at minimum''. We have no longer anything to live for, besides oyr ever, growing hate. Let our demons take over us and never have freedom ever again, we have lost, and they have won.

Ashes and echoes, as they always say!

>>76135

>>>/doomer/

>>>/suicide/

Just go and stay gone, niggerpill fag.

>>47298

There is a lot more trash nowadays, yes. I enjoy some modern anime and am looking forward to some, but for the most part, everything is shit. Just like imageboards, the Internet in general, video games, movies, TV, Western animation etc. etc..

It does look like the Russians might be pulling up, which is expected; Yockey/Spengler/+others.

>>47317

>"ITZ DA J000Z!!!!11"

>implying only Jews can be corrupt

>being this retarded

>>>/stormfags/

>>76085

>>76087

>>76139

You just get back from a four month ban or something?

>>76091

This.

>>76088

Seppuku for wasting hitlerdubs.

>>76066

>m-muh rec threads

>>>/a/

>>76075

>muh freedums of speach

>muh hugbox

Sorry, goonie, but after half decade of constant sperging your attempts for resource burning by consensus cracking have become really obvious.

>>76077

>EVERYONE BUT THE JOOS

https://archive.is/Kvl6S

Fuck off back to your containment board, pinko.

>>47428

I'll take deep inside the cute any day.

>>76094

>ironic lolicons

>>76163

>being THIS much of a newfag

Sasuga

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>>76164

There is nothing wrong about modern anime as a whole. It's the ameirmutt influence that is trying to kill anime. Try to prov me wrong before (((vols))) delete my post. You can't.

>>76171

Didnt mean to reply.

>>76171

>ameirmutt

>vols

>s

>>>/cuckchan/

While I'm sick of the overabundance of generic low effort moe anime, I don't think it's the biggest issue of the industry. The issues have a lot to do with company meddling over petty shit. Like Kadokawa firing a man for doing bonus material for free for the show he created from pocket change. Then there's the overuse of a CGI out of laziness or time concerns. Censorship, lack of legitimate platforms translating shows, lack of editors that keep translators in line to make quality blu-ray releases, too many shows left unfinished, and of course poor quality dubs are really really big issues that need to be curbed or the industry suffers. English dub issues sadly can't be changed unless the voice acting culture in the west changes completely.

I only watch mainstream entry level shit like OPM, Mob, BNHA and an assortment of other garbage like KLK and you cant do anything about it.

>>76200

Congratulations. The industry is catering to you.

>>76188

>>76188

Does cuckchan even have vols? I thought it was only mods and janitors.

>>47424

This guy is correct.

>>77198

No one agrees. Your blackpill bullshit isn't believed by people. Kill yourself.

>>77198

>Kikes win at everything they do do

Not really, since they did lost Crimea to Russia.

>>50100

>>50109

>shitposting this hard

>>75911

>legal loli

Does not exist.

>>77848

It's like saying gravity doesn't exist.

>>77851

I'm sorry but not every short girl in Japanese media is a loli my ironic anime fag friend.

>>77859

I know, but legal lolis DO exist.

>>77861

If we are going by an age of consent lower than 18, then I agree

>>77864

I don't even consider countries that have 18 as AOC as countries.

>>77865

I'm glad we have come to an agreement anon. Sorry I was a little harsh earlier, I have just met too many newfags that do not know what constitutes as loli and what doesn't.

And yes, any country that has an age of consent law of 18 is a shithole.

>>77864

How exactly are you interpreting Japan's age of consent laws?

>>77879

too high

>>47298

Anime is BETTER THAN EVER. Have you seen the new Berserk? Loads better than that old shit grandpa. 3DCG is the ｆｕｔｕｒｅ. You're just behind the times. You don't what's hip. Anime has done nothing but improve in general since its conception. You think they would have made a better Gobbo Slayer adaptation back then? Fuck no! That shit would look like ass, and probably have terrible pacing. Besides, [Current Year] is looking to have more anime-to-live action adaptations and western money flowing into the industry than ever. If that's not a good sign, I don't know what is.

>>56297

Pretty much.

>>50164

That's because most anime on Netlfix were made by Netflix. They're just buying exclusive streaming rights to add to their list of shows because anime is popular.

>>77899

weren't*

>>77879

>second pic

>under 20 - under 20 = depends on circumstances

nani?

>>47356

>Madoka Magica is shit and overrated

Would you say the same about Kamen Rider?

>>47451

>Fan-service is acccused of being rampant and existing only to drive up sales

It is, when it shows up in certain places like non-sexy fanservice shows where it wasn't originally. I read Parasyte shortly before it got its recent anime adaption and there were several fan-service moments not in the manga added just for that very reason. Most noticibly, "MC falls into girl and grabs her tits". That isn't what Parasyte is about. It's a change made to pander to a demographic because sex sells, and it's done all the time. You have to be heavily in denial to not realize this. But saying this is pointless because my entire argument will be strawmanned as being against sexy fan-service in general.

>relative time

Disgusting.

>>47353

>Like any new budding tech it's going to suck at first.

We've had 3DCG for a long time now anon. It's still 9/10 times shit unless you dump assloads of money into it. I don't care how many niggers like Kemono Friends, I watched it, it still looked like shit.

>>77905

20 is considered an adult in Japan

>>77879

I worded myself a bit too vaguely in my earlier post and wasn't pertaining to the Japanese consent laws in particular.

When people say "legal loli" they are usually talking about short girls in anime who are over the age of 18 or "over the legal age of consent". Short girls with small tiddies who are adults are not lolis, they are just petite short women with tiny sacks. These are the same fags that call shortstacks oppai. loli.

And nonhumans like vampires and fairies dont count because they are basically ageless and have eternal youth- just like Peter Pan they never grow up.

>>47450

>It can't possible be that the average Japanese anime fan that is older than say, 12 actually likes the kind of shit that is being pumped out right now.

Japan as a whole loves mobile shit just because they commute often. You vastly overestimate them.

>>47613

>it means that they're going to produce the things with the highest chance of a good return, the lowest chance of a failure, and the least cost possible.

Isn't that just called efficiency?

>>47493

>or "there wasn't THAT much cg…"

<Lists Kemono Friends

>>47496

>Several months later

>Still no answer

Wew lad.

>>50109

> Crunchy has a decently reliable translation

>>50119

>Biting bait this hard

>>77918

>And nonhumans like vampires and fairies dont count because they are basically ageless and have eternal youth-

That's exactly why they count.

>>75912

What are your top loli-centric fan-service shows of 2018?

>>76163

They exist in great numbers. Webm related. Watcher beware.

List every roadblock to having anime production returned to what it was in the 90s. Money? Time?

>>77879

>that bottom row

I was under the impression that Japan didn't believe in double standards.

>>77994

EVERYONE uses double standards, ever since pedophile man = satan himself.

And it will only go down, unless humanity finds a new enemy that trumps the public image of pedos (so basically child rapist murderes).

>>77994

Japan acknowledges there are differences between men and women.

>>77918

>And nonhumans like vampires and fairies

>implying nonhumans have the same rights as humans

>>78141

This is why it's legal to rape ghosts. Non-humans don't have human rights.

>>78142

Robots should be included.

>>78435

No one agrees with you. Kill yourself, niggerpill-faggot.

Personally I don't give a fuck for the gross abundance of low fruit moeshit being produced. I just want digital animation to fuckoff.

>>87116

I don't mind moeshit as long as it's actually good, but indeed digital animation has to go.

>>91903

>>87116

>Digital bad

>Hand drawns are the way to go!

This dumb argument needs to fucking go into the trashcan. First of all, this is no different than saying a director should use traditional roll films instead of using a digital camera, and the only last movie that i remembered to use that is Dunkirk, even then the difference in quality isn't that significant. Ever wonder why the industry as a whole left the traditional animation cell as their main pipeline for animation? Because digital is cheaper and also most importantly allows a more lax margin of error. A single wonky keyframe in a traditional cell animation would mean that you will have to redraw the whole frame.

Second, coloring in digital is Lightyears ahead of the old ways in the time it takes to so any if it. If you don't believe, try coloring a piece of paper with a colored pencil vs doing it in mspaint. On top of that, adding effects in a digital movie isn't as hard as having to layer several types of light in a single frame like in the past. Thirdly, it frees up many menial workhours for others to focus on. Making inbetweens is already a chore as it is, now imagine that but doing it by hand. And finally, digital is a good way for newcomers to practice one.

But that doesn't mean digital is entirely superior to hand-drawn, people would usually sketch up something in freehand as you can't completely transfer fine motor skills onto a computer. You also can't change the thickness of your strokes at will comparedto a digital artboard.

And so, all of this entirely comes down to the animator's skill than the technique itself. As the saying goes, a bad workman quarrels with his tool

Although this argument might be correct at how this lowering standard of animator quality these day actually have something to do with the ease of which everything is done. If you don't believe me, then take a step back and watch Gunbuster and compare it to Aldnoah Zero.

>>91933

>a bad workman quarrels with his tool

This, let's knap stones.

>>47422

Amnesiac is the only album of theirs I like.

Throw all cutefags in the furnace

/thread

>>95761

Old anime can be cute, and unlike modern anime it succeeds.

Don't worry China is producing more anime than before. There is only good thing for Chinese anime in the future.

>>102712

Fuck off winnie pooh, I'm gonna make the alleged rape of nanking look like fucking alleged child's play.

Anime died in 2007 like everything else.

>>109693

>bumping this nostalgiafag trash thread

>>109703

He;s right

>>91933

>watch Gunbuster and compare it to Aldnoah Zero

Gunbuster looks better, Aldnoah Zero looks like shit. You could've at least used a digital anime that actually looks good as your example like Your Name.

>>102640

This.

>>47316

>there were plenty of shit anime back then too anon

There were, four of these pics I'm posting are examples of mediocre or shit anime, but they make up for their faults with unique stylized characters, detailed backgrounds and impressive dedication to staying on model and having moments of great detail. The characters themselves also have less limited characterizations and stories, with the creators just doing whatever the fuck they want without caring about whether its approved by corporate suits and general audiences. And sure, crap like Gall Force was in fact crap, but the animation, characters and setting manage to stand out and exist as unique reminders of the golden age of the anime industry.

On another somewhat related note that bugs me though is that Toei looked infinitely better during the late 70s and early 80s compared to the garbage they would produce that would follow outside of Dragon Ball. Dr. Slump for example was pretty mediocre compared to the manga, but the animation and characterization, along with the writing still manages to prove itself superior to most of the crap Toei has published in the last 15 years.

>>112970

Yet another reason why all modern anime will never be anything but complete and utter shit. This medium is basically a corpse now.

Don't think anime is any better or worse on the whole. Trends come and go. Every era has it's own kind of appeal. The "moeshit" shows that are written off wholesale by the "it was better when I was ten" crowd can be some of the most entertaining shows around. Digital can look good in the right hands. CGI can look good in the right hands.

>>47298

>>50109

>s/a/gefag m/a/rxist tr/a/nnies being retarded to the point of defending crunchykikes

>>77890

> Have you seen the new Berserk?

>watches shounenshit on his own accord

>has the audacity to complain over CG

Japanese companies don't profit off of western sales. Or rather, Trigger is basically the only company that even tries to pander to the west and that's only for merchandise. The only non-Japanese audiences they target are Chinese and Koreans. You have more to worry about with the olympics (and from what I've seen the worst they did was replace the swastika temple symbols to make shrines more easily found on maps) than you do from some western company subverting the industry or whatever you /pol/-tier fags are screeching about. Any problem you're experiencing with the anime industry is a local one.

The ONLY thing you can expect to reasonably affect are local translations, and even then the only way you're going to fuck with them is to follow the /hgg/ model of taking a work being translated/that has been translated and release a better translation/a better product (say, with the H-scenes still intact in the case of these idiot companies that TL lolicon works while leaving out the lolicon H-scenes) since TLs are spineless hacks that won't even try to TL the works of others even when others are clearly ruining it. This takes time and effort both in learning Japanese and in performing the act, that I do not believe the average anime shitposter has the time to accomplish or willingness to accomplish. Let's summarize. The ONLY two things you can do and of which you will do neither is to...

1) Get a bachelors degree, move to Japan permanently, marry some 3DPD kurisumasu keiki, and try to instill the virtues of being a faggot into your child with the hope that the Japanese government will overlook them being a haffu while you get them into politics.

2) Learn Japanese and put together an anonymous team with the explicit goal of releasing fan translations both faster and better than whatever TL group you're trying to sabotage, while hoping local authorities don't crack down on your very clearly illegal activities.

Otherwise nothing you do will have absolutely ANY effect on the industry as a whole because you are not their target audience, fucking triple baka.

>>112970

>On another somewhat related note that bugs me though is that Toei looked infinitely better during the late 70s and early 80s compared to the garbage they would produce that would follow outside of Dragon Ball.

If you mean Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball, there has to be a technical note on that. Most of what the West had was already fully aired on tv, had tons of fixes in animation and detail added on the VHS versions much like how today when it airs on TV it does not look the best but when its on Blu-Ray it absolutely looks remarkable and mistakes are fixed, details are added etc. Super had its faults absolutely in the beginning part, but during Goku Black arc it improved drastically and even on the huge tournament of power you can not tell me that arc was not superior animation at the end.

>Dr. Slump for example was pretty mediocre compared to the manga, but the animation and characterization, along with the writing still manages to prove itself superior to most of the crap Toei has published in the last 15 years.

False. Look at Saint Seiya Soul Of Gold or even Saint Seiya Hades. It is absolutely great because when Toei puts in effort and takes its time it is absolutely leagues above everyone else. Its just sometimes studios have poor management and do not always allocate resources correctly. I would even argue that currently right now with Dragon Ball Super Broly Movie and currently with One Piece Wano Toei is regaining its magic in terms of animation focusing on fluidity than detail nowadays and adding in tons of SFX with an icing on top. Also I am not defending Toei on every decision, it did suck during Dressrosa on a few episodes, even on Zou. I am just stating that they had their issues and faults even back then(remember Posiedan on Saint Seiya how Toei skipped everything on crucial points?) it happens.

>>91933

Gunbuster is not the best example because it is a solid example of good hand drawn animation, but i get what you mean. Everyone always says that hand drawn is better, but the argument needs to be focusing on fluidity and detail on key scenes, SFX to heighten scenes vs detail everywhere, SFX everywhere, Toei had this problem to where some scenes looked poor and it ended up becoming noticeable due to overwork instead of a correct balance and focus. I have been watching a ton of older anime from the 80's and 90's. One thing i notice that is not the best is the SFX work that is lazily done in some scenes and there is panning shots that look out of place. It might be acceptable from the time it was in but today it would not work so well unless it is to bring tension in some scenes. Digital is better than hand drawn, it is just about execution and knowing how to use the tools right.

>>115794

That was bait anon.

>>115797

This is some classic blackpilling. Glad you can contribute a lot of nothing to the subject at hand.

I expect this level of nonsense out of normalfags which I suppose that's what someone who says something as completely devoid of any meaning or thought as that is, but what the heck do you people who say "y-you're just cherry picking a bunch of old series!" even mean? What's stopping you from "cherry picking" modern anime of your own? You do know "modern anime" has already come out right? We're not talking about something that has yet to come out. 2019 just went by, you can talk about what 2019 anime is like just as well as you can talk about what 1993 anime is like. It's january 11th and you can talk about what january 10th anime is like too if you want.

I'm not asking what your reasoning is or what you're thinking, because I know upfront there's none of that going, for a multitude of reasons but at minimum because "cherry pick" is a normalfag term for "I will put great effort into destroying any and everything good for no reason at all other than my own chosen path of ignorance" and normalfags somehow expect such an answer to be respected. But what the heck kind of effect do you expect from the word salad of "you're just cherry picking X"?

As for OP's question, the answer is money. Grab them by the money. The anime industry is run by profiteers who pushed out the otaku during the digital animation garbage shift, and that's the only thing they care about. Otaku made whatever anime they like, which as some industry oldfags have pointed out that's not necessarily good either, but profiteers make money. They don't even make anime, they make money.

If good anime makes a buck, then that's what will be made.

If soulless computer animation and 3D computer animation (which is even worse for completely lacking any human agency) is what makes money, and if unethical writers who just copypaste the same highschool slice of life story with archetypical characters that was never good to begin with over and over are accepted by the market, then that's a cheap alternative to material that is good but costs more and customers do not pay more for, and so garbage is what will be made.

However, even otherwise good series are ruined by unacceptable digital animation.

The computer is not a creative tool. You can't make music on a computer. You can't make a drawing on a computer.

The reason why is simple, these activities involve human ideals of beauty, expression, and craftsmanship. All of those things cannot exist in a computer.

The computer gets in the way of the artist, who instead of directly manipulating his material, is instructing the computer to generate its idea of the artist's instructions. And there goes any show of skill. 3D computer animation is even worse, because there's not even the human directing the computer anymore, it's all geometry.

The computer's perfection filters out any and all humanity of the material. And without humanity, expression and beauty don't exist. It's the same reason why industrialized food is inferior to homemade food.

Another reason unrelated to computers is really just the collapse of the arts in general. It has come to Japan just as strongly as it has come to the west.

I'm talking calarts-tier shit. What is the difference between the potato face and the calarts face?

>>115817

>I expect this level of nonsense out of normalfags which I suppose that's what someone who says something as completely devoid of any meaning or thought as that is, but what the heck do you people who say "y-you're just cherry picking a bunch of old series!" even mean? What's stopping you from "cherry picking" modern anime of your own? You do know "modern anime" has already come out right? We're not talking about something that has yet to come out. 2019 just went by, you can talk about what 2019 anime is like just as well as you can talk about what 1993 anime is like. It's january 11th and you can talk about what january 10th anime is like too if you want.

They can't name any because good modern anime unironically doesn't exist. It's all complete and utter shit.

>Another reason unrelated to computers is really just the collapse of the arts in general. It has come to Japan just as strongly as it has come to the west.

Good entertainment is no longer allowed to exist. Everything is shit now without a single exception.

>>112982

THIS

Modern anime is incapable of being good. Same goes for all media in general.

>>115817

All digital animation is irredeemable shit. This is the truth but none of the retarded zoomers ITT want to accept that.

>>115817

There is no good modern anime. Don't expect them to respond to you naming any.

>>112983

I can taste the denial coming off this post.

>>91933

>>Digital bad

>>Hand drawns are the way to go!

This but unironically.

>people actually bumped this shit thread filled with underage niggers who ignore that anime was always suits using otaku as slave labor to make their children's cartoons

>underage niggers who are incapable of knowing the 80s OVA boom was an anomaly due to the bubble economy and studios having money to throw around so they could hire any young talented animator even if they didn't know how manage a team or write a script

>not realizing the real problem is companies like Sony (Funimation) and Warner (Crunchycuck, Adult Swim) and Netflix strong arming themselves into production communities and dictating them to put degenerate western fetishes and communist ideals in them

>bitching about digital animation when anime has using that since the late 90s, right as the rest of world switched over to it.

You niggers would have more sympathy if you didn't engage in hyperbole and emotional rants like you're fueled by estrogen.

>>115841

Didn't read. Go back to your FOTM waifu fuckpillow.

>>115799

>Japs not targeting westerners is blackpilling

>thinking japs should cater to westerners

Kill yourself. That's the real problem.

>>115843

>see self in usenet form from 20 years ago

>can't refute facts posted without resorting to overly emotional grandstanding with no arguments besides digital bad!

>ad hominem

Refute what I said.

>>115832

>zoomers

Time to leave >>>/cuckchannel/

>>115845

>Refute what I said.

Come up with your own argument instead of screencapping shit that was already debunked in this very thread >>77906

>>115832

>Zoomers

Go back to cuckchan.

>>115841

This is half correct and half projection schizophrenia.

>>115845

>thinking japs should cater to westerners

Nice strawman.

>>47298

>The cancer that is the modern anime industry and how to fix it

>and how to fix it

No, you and your meddling kike ilk are the cancer.

>>115843

<(blackpillfag)

>>115797

>You have more to worry about with the olympics

I think it is one of the root causes for this lgbt push we are seeing in japan right now, granted fags pushing shit before the Olympics is to be expected but I don't know if shit will go back to normal after the event finally passes.

>>115799

>This is some classic blackpilling.

What? All I said was that Westerners are not the main audience and localizations are just considered a minor profit at best, and your beef should be with localizations since there's not much you can do on the Japanese side of things without living in Japan/being Japanese. I flat out said what can be done from the western side of things, and that is intentionally sabotaging western translators that encourage western ideals in their TLs instead of just translating.

>>115854

Not him, but why should the Nips give a flying fuck about what anons on a western imageboard who don't even speak Japanese think? Even in the case of Japanese companies giving the green light for western-backed shows, those shows were massive flops. The only audience west of Japan that Japanese care about is Chinese/Koreans, and that's only because of the insane profits they can make on the Chinks/Gooks (and due to the fact that they outsource their animation to them).

>>115865

LGBT have been pushing for shit in Japan for a long time. Something to keep in mind is that Japan has been really fucking gay for centuries. Just look at Japanese folklore (can anyone say Kappa?). Samurai were encouraged to have romantic relationships with one another because their leaders thought it would make them harsher in battle if the other was injured/killed. Women in Japan were mostly just seen as something to produce offspring up until about the 1800s and weren't really seen as "equal" to men until about the late 70s/early 80s. The entire concept of sexuality in Japan is sort of different than that of Western ideals and shit's hard to explain without referring incorrectly to western ideals (see my statement that Japan used to be ultra gay). What we'd consider pretty fucking gay like sticking your finger up someone's asshole is considered a practical joke over there. Flamboyance is considered personal style rather than something tied to sexuality. Dudes regularly take baths together and even wash each other's backs, something interpreted as intimacy, but not as being gay. Skinship is not gay over there unless the balls touch. This doesn't even get into the female side of things (which basically up to and including full-on yuri sex is not considered gay but rather mutual masturbation according to the Japanese mindset). In the west, LGBT is about a sort of "expression in public" which is how it gets pushed. In ~~1950s Asian America~~ Japan, LGBT is literally about fucking guys up the ass and girls marrying girls, and has completely different connotations. People can basically be gay lovers in Japan, they just can't get married or rent a love hotel room. Incest is more likely to get pushed in Japan than LGBT, and most of the world already thinks that Japan is LGBT-friendly because they misunderstand how things work over there at a fundamental level. Shit might not go back to normal for Tokyo, but I have no doubts that the outlying regions of Japan won't give a flying fuck past maybe some "don't do this" policies for dealing with foreigners moving forward and a few changes to public notices/map symbols. The Japanese government has been pretty on top of making sure foreigners can't pry too deeply into Japanese lifestyle, and Japan's anti-politics attitude at a person-by-person level means that foreign politics are going to be very frowned upon (and the few that can speak Japanese will likely already know this). I'd be more worried about laws (that westerners can't affect) getting pushed in the next year than I would be about culture and such. Japan's more concerned with keeping China/North Korea at bay than they are with a couple thousand filthy rich gaijin loafing about Tokyo and a couple other gaijin-friendly cities.

>>115906

Also keep in mind Japan is tied with Hong Kong right now (I say Hong Kong because that's 90% of China's economic output) as a world superpower. The Trump presidency has made a lot of nations previously investing in China move to Japan, Korea, or Vietnam.

>>115906

>Shit might not go back to normal for Tokyo, but I have no doubts that the outlying regions of Japan won't give a flying fuck past maybe some "don't do this" policies for dealing with foreigners moving forward and a few changes to public notices/map symbols. The Japanese government has been pretty on top of making sure foreigners can't pry too deeply into Japanese lifestyle, and Japan's anti-politics attitude at a person-by-person level means that foreign politics are going to be very frowned upon (and the few that can speak Japanese will likely already know this). I'd be more worried about laws (that westerners can't affect) getting pushed in the next year than I would be about culture and such.

TOO LATE

https://www.twitter.com/OneAngryGamerHD/status/1216162928661094400

So when's the surrender notes now that Japan has gone permanently woke?

>>115972

Reminder that literally everyone on Twitter is celebrating this.

''Japan is fucking doomed.''

>>115865

>but I don't know if shit will go back to normal after the event finally passes.

We now have full confirmation that shit will never go back to normal for Japan, sorry to say. They will become the Sweden of of the Asian continent.

>>115972

>Miyama City

>A city of about 40k people in bum-fucking nowhere Fukuoka

>A city that makes up 0.031% (rounding up) of the Japanese population

>A city with a mayor who owns property in Hawaii

>A city that US troops stationed in Sasebo regularly go to during their shore leave to fuck prostitutes

>Approving apparel that all Japanese sources refer to as "unisex" and the only LGBT-mentioning is from western media spin

>Specifically for children age 6-11 who presumably don't even know what a faggot is

Oh man, such a big deal. You really got me, anon. This couldn't possibly be a PR stunt for a city trying to improve its shitty reputation as a prostitute haven or anything. This is just embarrassing, anon.

>>115977

Wait a minute..

>(((American))) occupation city

>LGBT shit

I wonder who's behind this.

>>115977

This.

>>115972

Good try at blackpilling, faggot.

>>>/somethingawful/

>>>/oven/

I just find Miyazaki movies the most boring shit imaginable, same goes for 80s OVAs. I don't need fluid animations or pretty colors, it's all things I can imagine, I don't need to see something in fluid animation. You're right that the modern industry shits out low-effort garbage but nothing really has changed. All I need is for something to keep me interested. Nothing else matters. I think people (myself included) just need to consume less. There's just too much anime so obviously it's all going to look the same. It's never going to be enough at the same time. What's creative about Berserk's animation? The anime is a literal slideshow so I can't help but wonder why you didn't name an actual good OVA instead of something so clearly inferior to its source material. Anime still caters to otaku. It's just that otaku are defined by the things they purchase, they're scum, they've got no taste and will watch anything with a girl in it. That's the actual problem here. The otaku you claim were responsible for the OVAs of the 80s and 90s are, in fact, just paypigs.

>>47298

> I think the people such as Miyazaki who were already complaining about the state of the anime industry years ago

>self-proclaimed communists complaining anime isn't inclusive or (((artistic))) enough

Imagine my shock!

>>116013

if we go by his own works how can I not agree?

>>47436

Not according to the industry for the last couple of decades or as a matter of fact since anime started long before miyazaki's pretentious bullshit and somethingawful's appropriation of giant robots as post-ironic 2deep4u hipsterism.

>>116014

Touche'!

>why doesn't the industry just cater to my niche

>what do you mean talent and money are required to produce something worthwhile and this is downright impossible to do on a week by week basis

It's not something you can fix. People with money rather continue making money and people with the desire to make animation don't want to make anything interesting. Just produce your own content, that's the only way you can be happy. I for instance commission my own porn. I'm actively contributing to my own happiness.

>>115972

>>115865

>>115973

<Blackpilledfag is still here.

OH NO The world is doomed. Ok China can i have my CCP money now? I mean you can quit cherry picking scenarios and keep replying to yourself. Making a huge nuke out of a fucking molehill. Who cares about some fucking bumfuck town in the middle of nowhere that hardly matters in the grand scheme of things.

>>115906

>What? All I said was that Westerners are not the main audience and localizations are just considered a minor profit at best, and your beef should be with localizations since there's not much you can do on the Japanese side of things without living in Japan/being Japanese. I flat out said what can be done from the western side of things, and that is intentionally sabotaging western translators that encourage western ideals in their TLs instead of just translating.

No you are trying to do this black pilled shit and then do a dual response talking out of both sides of your neck.

>Japan doesent care about Western audiences

>Oh Japan cares about Western audiences because of LGBT stuff.

And then you write these long winded paragraphs that nobody really reads because it sounds like some leftist meme shit that nobody cares about. So good luck trying to push this effort of yours. Hopefully you reach the 41% soon.

>>115906

> Something to keep in mind is that Japan has been really fucking gay for centuries. Just look at Japanese folklore (can anyone say Kappa?). Samurai were encouraged to have romantic relationships with one another because their leaders thought it would make them harsher in battle if the other was injured/killed. Women in Japan were mostly just seen as something to produce offspring up until about the 1800s and weren't really seen as "equal" to men until about the late 70s/early 80s. The entire concept of sexuality in Japan is sort of different than that of Western ideals and shit's hard to explain without referring incorrectly to western ideals (see my statement that Japan used to be ultra gay). What we'd consider pretty fucking gay like sticking your finger up someone's asshole is considered a practical joke over there. Flamboyance is considered personal style rather than something tied to sexuality. Dudes regularly take baths together and even wash each other's backs, something interpreted as intimacy, but not as being gay. Skinship is not gay over there unless the balls touch. This doesn't even get into the female side of things (which basically up to and including full-on yuri sex is not considered gay but rather mutual masturbation according to the Japanese mindset). In the west, LGBT is about a sort of "expression in public" which is how it gets pushed. In 1950s Asian America Japan, LGBT is literally about fucking guys up the ass and girls marrying girls, and has completely different connotations. People can basically be gay lovers in Japan, they just can't get married or rent a love hotel room. Incest is more likely to get pushed in Japan than LGBT, and most of the world already thinks that Japan is LGBT-friendly because they misunderstand how things work over there at a fundamental level.

Just because faggotry is kind of a tradition in nipland doesn't mean it can't serve as a fracture point for corrosive "progress"ivism. I agree on that there's not much we can do to directly influence domestic markets but we must realize that it is us and not the SJWADHD crowd that dictates the main demand of the industry in its smaller western portion.

Nips are already aware of the subversion attempts made by (((localization teams))) and we have to speak against that with our wallets since not even the greediest Japanese CEOs would agree to pozz their country to death for mere pennies.

>>116104

I began writing a long-winded paragraph (twice) explaining why you're schizophrenic, but then I decided it would be easier to just tell you to go fuck yourself. If making a difference relies on telling others what to do/hiding behind a community shield because you lack the drive and ambition to be the change you want to see, you can deepthroat a fat, long cactus, anon. I've been to Japan, I'm doing my reps, and I want no part in whatever the voices in your head are telling you to do to make Japan ~~great again~~ more great? It's fucking fantastic and I look forward to getting shitfaced on my next trip.

1) The anime industry doesn't care about the west.

2) What Japan cares about is FACE.

3) Saving FACE involves sweeping your shit under the rug/telling the gaijin to fuck off when they try to get involved with it.

4) Therefore realistically the only thing you're going to affect are localization efforts.

5) This requires time and effort, two things you clearly have zero desire to do.

Since you seem so keen on shooting down my opinion for absolutely no apparent reason other than "because I don't want to do the work myself," what do you propose be done? CR is bigger than ever and yet they suck Japanese corporate dick harder than ever (to the point where their two-cour co-op series or whatever the fuck they are, are getting axed because they don't make any money). The only thing you can reasonably affect are localisations unless you happen to be a millionaire willing to throw away your fortune on an audience (Japanese) that you clearly don't understand.

>>116111

>it is us and not the SJWADHD crowd that dictates the main demand of the industry in its smaller western portion.

Problem right now is the face of the western market is twitter. And twitter is infested.

>main demand

Most of the statistics from merchandise purchase/BD purchase would be obfuscated by the fact that it has to go through internal channels first. When you buyfag it's highly likely you would purchase from Japan directly or get someone to purchase for you. That means that it's not counted as part of the western market. Normalfags on the other hand would do these purchases, buying up dub releases and translated novels. That means on paper, the market wants YenPress and Funimation. That said, I do believe the main demand isn't the SJW crowd. They're too busy screeching at the next thing to buy anything. Silent majority and all that.

>doesn't mean it can't serve as a fracture point for corrosive "progress"ivism

I agree. Nipland has undergone huge changes due to losing ww2 and their restructuring. Much of the old traditional culture is dying out as the population ages. What this means is the new generation in Japan would begin their path down progressiveness too. So whether or not it would bleed into other things like anime depends on how the JP otakus react to it.

Streaming is a problem though. That is, if the companies don't implode first. Crunchyroll, netflix, hulu, funimation are currently at war snatching up anime rights. The convenience factor is dropping. They're hinging on accessibility now. They're all shit, but they will cement themselves as the face of the western market (for anime at least). Because it sounds really nice to have your show on a platform that services almost the entire world and has such and such viewers. Why bother with physical copies if you don't know if they even sell? It's also going to be a much more instant return. They will know right away if the show will do well, and merchandise/BD are a bonus.

>>116120

>yet they suck Japanese corporate dick harder than ever (to the point where their two-cour co-op series or whatever the fuck they are, are getting axed because they don't make any money)

Why is that sucking Japanese corporate dick? If it's not making money for CR, they shouldn't continue it either? Axing a show that isn't doing well and moving on seems like a reasonable thing to do. Especially since they're trying to get market share against other streaming services.

you cant fix this. the sjw are gonna purge all the animes for the olympic games, it's over. japan is dead and we killed it

>>116120

>I began writing a long-winded paragraph (twice) explaining why you're schizophrenic,

No you just said a lot of nothing nobody reads. This barely has shit to do with the anime industry. Its all politics and derailment of the topic at hand.

> but then I decided it would be easier to just tell you to go fuck yourself.

No you just keep responding and using sage like a faggot. Opposite of your intention.

>If making a difference relies on telling others what to do/hiding behind a community shield because you lack the drive and ambition to be the change you want to see,

Definitely projecting here.

>I've been to Japan, I'm doing my reps, and I want no part in whatever the voices in your head are telling you to do to make Japan great again more great? It's fucking fantastic and I look forward to getting shitfaced on my next trip.

Has nothing to do with the topic, you are trying to pretend because you traveled to some country you automatically know everything of the culture which means you are a dumbfuck. You also drink which is a sign that you have a lack of motor function and a lack of understanding of anything outside your own world view.

>1) The anime industry doesn't care about the west.

Not what you said here >>115972 nice try though.

>4) Therefore realistically the only thing you're going to affect are localization efforts.

>5) This requires time and effort, two things you clearly have zero desire to do.

lol yes anon whine about the fact that everyone should do your homework for you, they should provide localization while you sit there and drink and whine all day. Become the change you want or just watch everything suffer like it is in your head faggot.

>Since you seem so keen on shooting down my opinion for absolutely no apparent reason other than "because I don't want to do the work myself," what do you propose be done?

That is what you are saying above and projecting that onto me. I am not the one to do your homework for you or to change the industry. Only you can do it because you desire to do so.

>The only thing you can reasonably affect are localisations unless you happen to be a millionaire willing to throw away your fortune on an audience (Japanese) that you clearly don't understand.

There is good localization companies, dismissing all of them because a few bad actors is what leads to a purity spiral and seems to be a British blindspot. Viz Media does not fuck up localizations, neither does Discotek or Sentai Filmworks. Supporting competition does. Put your money where your mouth is than being a blackpill fag and get people to start supporting alternatives. This is the only way it can work. Hitting the gym is far better than sitting there and wasting away, being proactive is what will make things greater.

>>116121

>Problem right now is the face of the western market is twitter. And twitter is infested with Tumblr refugees.

They are not the market. If they were that 2 cour anime would have not been cancelled outright. If something does not sell Japan will not make anything for it. It did not, so they will not cater to that market.

>Normalfags on the other hand would do these purchases, buying up dub releases and translated novels. That means on paper, the market wants YenPress and Funimation. That said, I do believe the main demand isn't the SJW crowd. They're too busy screeching at the next thing to buy anything. Silent majority and all that.

Agreed we are a silent majority. If you notice more casual fans of anime who have no gearing towards politics are buying Blu-Rays nowadays on top of that count in the 80's and 90's finally getting licensed that the West missed out on and you are seeing far greater releases than ever before.

>What this means is the new generation in Japan would begin their path down progressiveness too. So whether or not it would bleed into other things like anime depends on how the JP otakus react to it.

They are still taught nationalist Japanese books and various other things in schools. Progressivism is not what it is, but a broad acceptance of fanservice, ecchi etc.

>Streaming is a problem though. That is, if the companies don't implode first. Crunchyroll, netflix, hulu, funimation are currently at war snatching up anime rights. The convenience factor is dropping.

I agree it is a bubble. Especially if there is more competition and exclusives start going around to various platforms it can cause issues. The Blu-Ray distributions are different though because Blu-Ray rights are not always on Streaming rights.

>Why bother with physical copies if you don't know if they even sell? It's also going to be a much more instant return. They will know right away if the show will do well, and merchandise/BD are a bonus.

I think they have statistics and various other things. But being able to make it common that some shows in Japan come over to the West and making Western audiences use to it will mean that yes while some licenses will fail it will not be the be all and end all like it was for Geneon(aka pioneer).

>>116213

>twitter isn't the market

True. I specifically said face because I fear too many JP corporations lending too much credence to twitter as representative of the market. Especially as 2020 Olympics rolls around. It's easy to view the first week of release backlash as the entire market hating it when the actual purchase/views aren't as apparent until a week or two after. Corporations get jittery if there is any hint of loss. Anons in this thread have said that it should be only temporary, mostly to keep the Gaijins happy and make Japan money. I do hope this is the case.

>taught nationalist books

That doesn't solve progressiveness from taking root. Nationalism won't change their declining birth rate because the nip girls don't want to start families. Progressivism will take root as more and more problems begin springing up due to these societal issues. The books are mostly to absolve the nips of any consequences from WW2.

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>>116279

>surrendering the country accordingly

thanks for the laughs.

>>47319

>manime

>2 seminude dudes telling each other how they feel and wrestling in their tears

I'm tired of SoL shit and highschool garbage with cancer animation too, but your manime is even worse on the faggotry quotient.

>>58391

You're just a normalfag like them and can't handle being disagreed with, kill yourself.

And oh shit I just realized this thread is over a year old.

Have the Chinese take over and do everything better, then get them to wake up and stop recycling tropes for 10 years.

By that point we would already be accepting china as the new leader of cute animated cartoon girls.

its over... moeshit won... anime is fucking dead

>>117865

/v/ surrendered vidya to the SJWs.

/co/ surrendered comics to the SJWs

We should do the same with anime and manga.

>>117857

>This thread reeks of gamergators. Fuck back off to where your underage ass came from. Learn the language first.

Reminder we have an infestation of /leftypol/ and the BO is doing nothing to stop it. They bait anons with leftist posts, then the mods ban those who reply them just like on Resetera (for no reason, but hazy accusations of spergout).

>>117868

You don't have to do shit, they're already taking the board for themselves through mod infiltration.

>>117880

Anywhere they're allowed to feel comfortable they'll inevitably take root and force out the original population from the top down.

>>118178

>that last line

Kill yourself.

>>47298

I'm worried about CG. CG will DEFINATELY replace 2D animation. In the UK it's happened already and some of those are foreign show anyway. Seriously it will happen.

>>118582

It's more efficent to produce, Ijust hope as time goes they improve it.

>>118583

I don't want it. Sometimes it's fine but I like 2d. I hate seeing all the art I like die

>>118584

Neither do I anon, but it's a production revolution right now.

>>118326

SJWs on twatter and tumblr have already permanently enslaved Japanese artists. They basically already won the war.

>>118591

Japan is cucking out hard

F

>>118591

That's a Chink, not a Jap.

>>118590

At this point I'm just watching "pre cg" stuff, and some occasional season stuff.

>>118593

Ko Takeuchi's a Jap, though.

Hey remember when you idiots said they coudnl't touch Japan. Guess what, they can. They have no limits since this social justice shite comes from the top down. It's the people the rule the world that push this

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>>118685

Thank god for the reset button then.

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>>118695

Look, can you stop samefagging.

>>118693

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>>118591

I don't really disagree but where did the criticism against him originate from?

>>117868

>/v/ surrendered vidya to the SJWs.

Nigger shut up.

>>117865

Moeshit kept the normalniggers out and studios open, fuck off you disingenuous toonami nigger.

>>116212

>There is good localization companies

That's a good one

>Viz

Fucked up their translation of Honey & Clover so bad that Discotek had to re-translate it. And while we're on Viz need I remind how they massively fucked up their re-master of Sailor Moon and lied about it?

>Sentai Filmworks

Put in fansub-tier meme subs on shows like Penguin Drum. They're trash, and I'm fucking tired of them shilling their Hi-Dive streaming service here.

>Discotek

Usually recycle old translations unless their severly fucked up. And much of their freelance staff are outright cucks.

>>47298

>>47298

There are multiple reasons why it is the way it is today, but if you really want to know how to throw anime and manga back under the rug to make it great again there's a few thing that you need to do.

First

Burn all localizers and kill all translators.

Making anime and manga accessible welcome normalfag and surface level fags

Second

Associate all anime with something bad

Easiest is pedophilia, already kind of working, doen't have to be true, people just need to believe it.

Third is the easiest

Take down all the streaming sites, manga streaming and anime streaming. Legal or not.

Where to start?

Start getting rid of all these illegal streaming sites. Be it reporting, ddosing, doxxing the owners, contacting advertisers to stop them and starve the owners out. Whatever.