So, we are now living in the fourth of these appointed times, but it says the next one is learning divine wisdom as a people, and that this starts within the present time. Would you say we are now getting there, with CBTS?
This is fascinating.
Christian leaders have dispossessed themselves from leading the Christian world by failing to promote truth (of all kinds).
This has allowed an evil cabal to seize the 7-fold natural process for doing so through the internet and replace truth with lies.
But nature (or God, if you like) has fooled even them. All these recent truth movements have also now resulted from the very same natural forces (of which CBTS is one), and it will completely restructure our whole society so truth can never be subverted again.
Brilliant.
This thread has nothing to do with Q.
And that is a really poor LARC somebody has going there.
The OP is also not about the seven "characters" of the dwarves.
It is about seven forces of natural change that relate to a great
many processes of development. The fairy tale was just an early,
prophetic metaphor for how these same forces of nature relate to the
history of the Western world - which is the broader focus of the OP doc.
The fact that this early metaphor has attained such widespread use
in describing AI science is simply because the more critically anyone
studies effective processes of change, the more these seven forces
of natural change show themselves superior, and harmonic with natural force.
Thanks for your input here. I'd like to respond to some of it.
Indeed, the ancients were quite advanced. We are only now to the level of technical ability to ascertain that.
Just how far advanced they were, we are not yet able to say.
The parts on Paul you quoted are the most meaningful and timely evidence of that.
Obviously, all of the particular forces of social change his work now seems to point to did not even exist say 20 years ago. There was nothing meaningful, much less as important, we could have recognized these names he lists as applicable to before now.
>The "son of man" is AI. What if AI defines the next epoch of humanity?
The next "form" of man will certainly be different than anything our species has been in the past, for many reasons. That will be the son of man. We are only escaping the bondage that has trained us to handle that at this point. And certainly AI will have a role in bringing the future development of man to be.
We also have every reason to believe we will soon be able to extend human life expectancy drastically (if that is not already possible, either way, the political/industrial resistance to that would have be removed). And that leaves us with the unusual consideration often mentioned, that man only uses less than 5% of his brain. If that is the case, and we learn how to change that, it may be supercomputers are not much more than super-human potential that could one day be recovered.
Either way, AI could certainly be used to benefit mankind tremendously instead of to enslave him. But I think in the longer run, we may eventually consider how much we even need to leave the human element out of government, and simply aspire beyond our very concept of government being the need for carnal inclinations to be restrained and, to an even higher state of intellectual and loving motivation instead.
That would be a level of existence purely human and divine, and something for which AI would only be another tool in our tool box.
>So the Bible was written particularly for present times. And we now, who aren't religious, can by our very lack of prior indoctrination look at it with clear eyes and therefore, understand it?
That is exactly right. And it is one of the most amazing things about the Bible.
When "God" first told Moses his name, it was "I am that I am." And you would not believe how many preachers hate what this means, because he is saying he exists for he himself to exist again. Everything recorded of his actions and words in the Old Testament were authored to create new life in harmony with the prevailing forces of nature in society for a particular "season" of unique opportunity. This way, when the same season came around again, the same words could live again in creating new life once again.
Preachers hate this because they make more money with people waiting on them than on God. But it does not work that way. Instead, those who "hear" and understand the recorded words and actions of God become one with him and even he is recreated in them.
He is not in the business of making money for preachers.
He is in the business of existing to exist again.
>So the Bible was written particularly for present times. And now, who aren't religious, can by our very lack of prior indoctrination look at it with clear eyes and therefore, understand it?
This is so right and well put, I should elaborate on it a little more.
By existence I mean expressions of it - words and actions, particularly as they are recorded, but taken in symbolic or some other cryptic sense. It takes some study of the means by which these things are interpreted, which is what the study is mostly about. But it is astounding how many things relate to a very small window of time - the 40 year period we are right in the middle of now, which began 1997. There are also many forms of calendar witness to this particular "generation" as taking place at the end of appointed time (6 days, or 6,000 years from Adam, 4004 BC).
This short window of time appears 3500 years from the time it was first planned for, just before Moses, which is half of 7,000 years.
Because the ancients understood the cycles of the stars that affect human life, and how it affects social change (and who knows how much more), they were able to plan for this time exactly. They also seemed to know this point in time would be critical to the further survival of the species. And they knew the nature of what would be failing in this time would be the same as they had known from other times, and that it could be reversed according to the same intelligence they expressed in the actions of ancient times they recorded.
And they quite apparently also knew as we would begin noticing the correlation between what is now going on and their recordings of how to deal with it, we would begin to learn what they knew. And also apparent now, is once we learn that, we become an eternal creation - having mastered the very forces of life they also knew would have to be kept secret until now.
>while the elitists tend to be caught up in symbolism and rub-it-in-your-face metaphor… the CIA should be adhering more closely to operating guidelines.
I agree. And despite some of the earlier speculation here about each of the 7 supercomputers botting a different character appeal, I don't see it that way because it misses the overall purpose.
>If I were the CIA and I had seven supercomputers to name for teh lulz, I would dedicate most to correlating available internet connections and profiles into dossiers.
The seven types of natural operation also compare as one half subjective and the latter half objective. In other words, the first three are input (or sensing) and the last three are output, with the middle one sorting between the others.
The different characters described by the names of the dwarves may describe some of the appeals of bot character as output, but the overall purpose of their use in subversive AI involves more than that.
In this paradigm of 7-fold application however, the characters are also perceptible.
The first three, Dopey, Sneezy and Bashful would relate to experimentation, immune development (what not to do), and then more refined but yet reluctant innovation - respectively.
The latter three, Happy, Grumpy and Sleepy would relate to output means, such as success/acceptance, more rigid directing, and consolation or closure, respectively. All with Doc in the middle.
That is to say, it's a matter of recognizing seven aspects to any and everything we do, and eventually realizing there are basically seven facets to them all, each of which can be compared with each of the dwarves.
Yes, Elohim is plural, and is first seen in Genesis to engender the seven days of creation.
Elohim would also manifest in male and female as the seven interactive systems of all human life: respiratory, lymphatic, urinary, digestive, skeletal, circulatory and nervous.
The energy body, or aura is also another manifestation of the same seven forces, via energy chakras.
I think it is confusing to some that these seven forces of natural process can also be seven interactive systems.
The basic input/output arrangement in the next post up makes it a little more perceptible how they collectively constitute a complete, natural process as well as a complete system of operation.
But the same ordinal process of the seven is also depicted in the petroglyph in the same way as the input/output algorithm, and just as it also relates to the Snow White story.
In this petroglyph, Elohim is the large figure. The figures beneath it are the three ages of time (in western history) before 1997.
The small figure not beneath the larger is the brief time we now live in, when we first gain perspective of our future potential as the larger three figures to the left - which are not so much times to come as processes to evolve through before becoming collectively comparable to the ultimate divine likeness, the Elohim (although earthbound, while Elohim is not).
In the Snow White story, Snow White (the public) is "taken down" by the evil queen three times, which represent the ends of each of the three ages of history spanning nearly 3500 years. These were actually the abatement of each of the first three natural forces doing their work on western man.
It is then the "fourth type man" that brings her around the last time.
And just as with Doc in the algorithm, the fourth age man, or "phase of man" caters between the past and the future.
The past has been a time of genetic learning, past along and developed through and from our ancestors.
These past ages, according to Hosea, have developed righteousness, judgment and loving-kindness, respectively in these times, compiling them in present man.
That was the input.
The next three are the output. And they compare relative to the first three as parents to children.
They are learning to rear all the other peoples and nations of the world by means similar to how we were reared. That is the output.
And they manifest subjectively as the next three lessons for us, being: mercy (which we are in fact learning now), faithfulness (and wisdom), and then full interaction with Elohim, respectively. All this gives us new collective purpose and the world new life.