Interesting, please continue.
It has always worked. It is not limited to any tradition. It simply is.
It is up to you to commit to personal exploration or not. I didn't think any of this stuff was real until someone showed me a few shortcuts. Finding a real teacher is the most important task for a beginner. Without one you are almost certain to cause yourself harm sooner or later. Many will give up before finding a teacher. This is normal. Many are called, few chosen, etc.
Some things are secret for good reason.
One of the things that fascinates me about all of this are the implications people expect to occur at the end.
Christians are thinking God's coming back.
Fundamentalists expect Judgement and Armageddon.
Spiritualists are thinking mass enlightenment.
VOTL is thinking aliens.
Then you got flat/hollow earthers, Muslims, Jews, every culture with their own expectations.
They can't all come true.
A lot of people are going to be disappointed.
Every thought exists, and the thought of Jesus as Lord exists, so Jesus is Lord. However the opposite thoughts also exist, so the opposite of that is simultaneously existing as well. P=P and P=NP you see?
Also a closed mind never fills. I respect your point of view. Have a nice day.
>this CBTS is not an esoteric chatroom.
This thread most certainly is and it will continue.
Everything else you say is accurate but the idea that CBTS isn't esoteric-related is false, censorous, and frankly rude. We are free to explore the inner universe as we wish. Please respect that. Thanks.
So this Y shape.
Unity splitting into duality.
Duality coming into oneness.
When formed with the body it is the symbol of obedience, worship, submission before authority.
When used by forces of light, or compassion, it is a blessed symbol.
When used by the darkness, the malicious, it is the opposite.
That's my understanding so far.
What else?
Is there a vibrational energy that creates things with Y shaped horns and antennae? Is this energy neutral? I have so many questions.
In Tibetan Buddhism one word for the highest state of consciousness is "mahamudra", or "great symbol". Why would a state of consciousness be a symbol? Does Y represent a state of consciousness?
I'm not unfiltering you. I gave you so many chances. I wish you the best .
The Rothschilds use Y in a spiritual manner. Maybe Hillary and that South Korean cult that was running things there, too.
I believe very strongly this is something the public won't get full disclosure on: admitting Satanism works would create a lot of Satanists. People would try it. So these things won't be fully explained.
You can embed vids here under post options btw.
In the middle ages the Jews wore a hat that looked like an upside down Y. It is bell-shaped, bells are also like upside down Y's.
I am suggesting that possibly Y shape is used for dark, upside down for light. I don't know if this is right at all. I'm not deep into dark occultism.
Right. Then we get into the ant aliens. I don't know what to make of that.
The owl symbolism, at least partially, represents going into the darkness irl to meditate and learning to see inside. I want to say the owl doesn't symbolize evil, but rather hidden wisdom. Not sure though.
There's something to all that. Devils horns, Y head, horny. "Randy old goats". All connected.
Then we have people saying bees, too. Like they're all related. Bee's are connected to flowers, flowers are symbols of life.
Right. This is exactly the conversation I was hoping to have. See, many anon are superstitious. They don't see things as you do. They see God as this external monolithic judgemental etc etc, then Satan his nemesis and so on.
So I'd like anon to also see the perspective that these forces can be used for both good or I'll, that the awareness of these things isn't Satanic. It's applying them harmful lyrics that's evil.
In that way I think this thread could be very beneficial.
Thank you for deciding I don't need to learn. Filtering.
One of the weird things about advanced meditative experiences is that symbols suddenly become very obviously significant to what we call reality. Time itself is an illusion. In other words, life, reality, isn't in motion until something is observing it. Quantum physics confirms this. It is exactly the point of the double slit experiment.
Very few people understand these things, but hopefully a few will join this thread at some point.
Don't even get me started on the relationship between degrees of angle and degrees of temperature. If you don't get creeped out discussing and thinking about this stuff, you haven't understood their full implications yet.
Tummo: the meditation of the inner-heat:
Disclaimer: This meditation burns away ignorance. It is not recommended for beginners. If used carelessly, it can hurt you. For these reasons I am not allowed to teach how to do this meditation.
That being said, in your meditations you will come to a state where your awareness is a point-particle within yourself, surrounded by a sea of darkness within a "shell". You are the point, the shell is your physical body, and the darkness is the "in-between-substance". This is a very strange sensation to experience for the first time, so many students exit their meditation when they reach this place, it freaks them out.
However, if instead of coming back to the world the student attempts to cultivate this state, the tummo begins.
When one consciously focuses on them self as the point-particle, something interesting happens.
The "shell" and the "darkness" begins to expand, sort of like a balloon blowing up. (of course this is a matter of perspective, the physical body does not grow in size, the point-particle-consciousness reduces in size.)
As the "balloon" expands, a spiritual heat rises up from within, burning away illusions.
The most obvious physical effect is an increase in body temperature, but that's just a side effect. (though useful in it's own right. Ever get lost in a blizzard?)
The true purpose of this meditation is not merely to increase the body temperature, or even to consciously effect blood flow patterns.
It's purpose is to cultivate this spiritual fire and use it to purify one's self.
Grab these too. They are preparatory guided meditations for beginners.
https://www.dharmaocean.org/meditation/learn-to-meditate/learn-to-meditate-foundational-practices/
https://www.dharmaocean.org/meditation/learn-to-meditate/learn-to-meditate-a-daily-practice-session/
https://www.dharmaocean.org/meditation/learn-to-meditate/learn-to-meditate-awakening-the-heart/
https://www.dharmaocean.org/connect/free-audio-series/
The true meaning of "awakening", "enlightenment" etc… It is coming to the realization that you and everything else you perceive is a dream being had by one being, which can be called "God" or "Christ" or "Buddha" (meaning you, I and everything else that exists and perceives is an aspect of the creator). The difficulty of the human experience is that you are conditioned to identify with your body (which includes your sex, your name, your life story, your appearance, your voice, your talents and abilities, likes and dislikes, culture etc…)
Souls are born over and over again over millenia to experience all the different flavors of the human and animal experiences. History is cyclical and will move no matter what individual egos think they can control. The Kali Yuga is the dark, difficult period, where material values, greed and evil rule. But the pendulum must swing, and eventually, order, justice and light will return and save us. This will happen in stages over thousands of years until we return top the next golden age.
Here is another difficult part, in fact, it is one of the hardest. You volunteer to be born, knowing everything you will experience beforehand, including the horrendous suffering, loss, torture, madness, fear, loneliness, and finally, the experience of death. Suffering leads to empathy, which leads to spiritual growth. Some bad must follow good for things to balance out. Indulging in the pleasures and successes of the human world will ALWAYS be unsatisfying. i.e. you need more because it isn't what you are looking for.
What you are looking for is your true self i.e, the realization that you and everything else are the dreamer, creating this universe, seemingly without effort.
>it works better without filter
Agreed! But I've spent the last year introducing tantric Buddhism to 8/pol/, who are unapologetically Nazis, and my patience is fried. Trolls love derailing these convos and if even one refuses, loudly, to learn, it disrupts learning for everyone else.
Filters only last for a single thread, anyway, unless they use a trip.
I gave it to 8/pol/ so they could overcome Jewish tyranny. Tibetan Buddhists don't evangelize or recruit. Most wouldnt get past the preliminaries.
Helping them was needed and requested at the time, before Trump gave them new hope. It was my attempt at a Hail Mary pass. Completely forbidden. Thankfully it's done now. I gave them the Tummo. All of it. Everything lol.
Possible that some died trying. Possible that none succeeded. It's in the Dharmas hands, not mine, I'm just the illusion of a conduit.
I described it above. Inner fire meditation, burns away delusion, leads to enlightenment, akashic records, universal consciousness etc.
Directly accesses mind/body heat control system. Dangerous as a result.
Something I've been thinking about is this ant thing.
Ant has a lot of weird associations. Anti. Antarctica. Making me wonder is ants a(the insect) are named in reference to the aliens or something.
I never thought seriously about aliens before. Now nothing seems too weird to be considered.
lol I'm not here to recruit.
I don't care what people become. I plant seeds. Karmic seeds. Same as Q but less questions. Same as you, too.XXX is fine to think whatever. They will wake up (and calm down) in time.
When two spiritual people meet the one who knows more is the Teacher. You know more than I do so I asked for teaching. XXX gets upset if I suggest ego isn't essential, which is one of those perspectives I can't help. Some perspectives need help I can't give. Easier on everyone's nerves if I ignore rather than argue.
The thing is, realizing that this is a dream means Buddhism is equally meaningless. Everything is nothing so Buddhism is nothing. So after reaching enlightenment you stop having to give a shit about Buddhism. So I am not here to ask people to become Buddhists.
If you haven't seen emptiness directly yet then Buddhism can get someone to that point. Once they get there they don't need it anymore.
This is why I say you don't understand me at all XXX. You put everyone into a box of assumptions you've created. My tradition is nothing like the greedy religious "everyone must join" corporations masquerading as churches.
This is why I ignore you. You aren't willing to see the perspectives you don't want to, and you get offended when told there's more than one way of experiencing spirituality. Please stop.
>enlightenment is not a happening
You and I have had different experiences. I found short cuts. It was very fast. Just had to be willing to die for it.
Not every spiritual tradition goes all the way, also. I had to look for a long time to figure out what was missing. Pitfalls always, cliffs always, easy to fall, must stand firm.
I was talking to a crackhead on a bus the first time I got a taste of it.
I'm not enlightened.
I don't even exist.
As soon as you "get it" you let it go.
I'm also free to do anything I want.
I knew a very enlightened person who ate his own shit. He was not thought less of. People who don't understand simply don't understand. They will when they are ready. Or not. Not my job to worry about it.
It's not my job to do anything, be any way. That's freedom. Eventually I have to establish all sentient beings without exception in the enlightemed state yadda yadda but I'll do it at the point of death. Easier.
Ah Ah Sha Sa Ma Ha Buddha Amitabha. You're welcome. Love you all. Because I have to. We're all the same exact nothing.
Doesn't mean I act like you think holy people should act.
I'm the illusion of a dog. Not even a good dog. Expect nothing from me. Nothing I will give, as much as I can, forever.
The ride never ends.
I had no idea how blessed I was until this convo. Thank you very, very much, sincerely. Thank you. I am in awe.
The visions are secrets anyway. They are never mentioned, traditionally. Internet changes things.
What I'm doing, as I said before, is dropping crumbs like Q.
Those who are ready to seek will surely find.
The rest will find reasons not to.
All is as it should be.
Tantra is called self-secret for this reason. Those unready to hear simply will not believe.
A sense of humor is intelligence dancing.
Nothing like the nothingness of space which contains everything.
I can't not exist unfortunately. But I'm not human. I'm imagination. Mind. Imagination can be sensed but not held. It exists yet it is fundamentally empty, limitless.
This is what Buddhists mean when they say we are all basically nothing. If it sounds nihilistic the point was missed.
So many people get so attatched to the walking corpse they call a body. Then it dies and they don't know wtf to do. They get dragged back into more suffering by clinging to their now-dead identity.
Ego. That's what ego and attachment lead to. Don't take my word for it, you'll find out when you die.
A bit late to change course at that point though.
The key to navigating death is to realize, at the point of death, when the hallucinations start, that everything you are experiencing is a projection of your own mind, and don't fear or flee whatever appears.
If you have realized any degree of meditative stability, and you remember these words, it is enough to escape being recycled back here.
There's more but I'll let you find it if you're interested. Try looking for books of the dead.
No dogma, only observation. You are deciding not to understand. It's cool. Let's agree to disagree.
To say Buddhists misunderstand karma is a funny thing. Try reflecting on that, maybe.
We teach about shamanism too, but also nothing. I understand the perspective of most people here. Most of you don't understand, and some even fear, nothingness.
Very funny.
Thank you again. You have opened my eyes to my blessings like no one else has
I'm 100% sure you believe that.
Or your ego does.
Or whatever.
The seeds are now completely planted. Belief isn't needed. Just reading it is enough.
I'm very rude to do it this way but people act like people so I do what I can to work around their obstinance.
Have fun.
I'm done :3
/happy dance
Love you, Mara.
I don't believe the end of the Q saga will result in any mass-awakening.
People aren't even close to ready yet.
Probably several thousand more years at a minimum.
This was prophecies but I was hoping for better.
We'll all get there in the end.
Oh, and Mr. Trungpa is Mr. Trump.
It'll make sense eventually.
Keep knocking. The door will open.
No one asks so I don't tell.
I can't even get these anon to entertain the idea that they might not understand some aspects of spirituality. They are incapable of doing the things you're discussing. What you have are a bunch of people running on rails. No flexibility. They think the anon spamming them on cuckchan were literal CIA agents. Misguided, possibly delusional. Worse, they think they are in a position to lead, and if you suggest otherwise they get angry.
This is your army of "creative people".
The only way forward that's constructive is to take an honest and accurate assessment of the situation and work from there, but it won't happen. It'll be considered too mundane, and possibly too demoralizing. One problem, left unresolved, quickly becomes two, and this isn't one problem, it's a whole sequence of them.
I have never been in an esoteric thread where people thought enlightenment didn't spontaneously occurs. Literally every bookshop in the world has books on Zen that say otherwise, and these "shamans" and "esotericists" know NONE of it.
I have no idea how to fix that. Im not even going to try to. The situation is so unexpected it's comical, and thankfully it's not my job.
If you would bother to ask me to clarify I would explain.
No one asks.
They just assume and put words in my mouth.
I'm not allowed to teach certain things to those who aren't ready to learn.
They have to be asked for.
There is a danger in spiritual materialism.
There are so many distractions.
No one asked what the shortcut was.
One person declared shortcuts against natural order.
If I had to teach here I would cry with frustration.
Literal tears.
Thankfully I don't.
If there are any serious seekers here, look elsewhere.
Misinformation on this topic is dangerous.
Enlightenment doesn't make people perfect.
It just let's them see through the veil for a while.
What you learn from that experience is up to you.
Enlightenment is the complete destruction of everything you think you know, and everything you think you are.
Anyone who doesn't understand that hasn't reached it yet and shouldn't be telling people what they think it is. It isn't thinking. It's the opposite of thinking.
An anon made the comment earlier, along the lines of
>If you have not started the spiritual journey, don't.
>If you have started, hurry and finish it.
This is absolutely true and if you look into it you will discover this is absolutely what is taught.
Now, if this is a new concept to you, ask yourself this: Why would that be so? Does it suggest that the real spiritual journey isn't very fun? Does it suggest that people who think the spiritual journey is all light and love and happiness might not actually be correct?
I worked with Hawaiian shamans, they understood these things. They also understood emptiness. In fact they were the ones who suggested that I study Buddhism.
Just because someone claims to be a Shaman doesn't mean their lineage teaches everything.
Tread very carefully.
If you're looking for wisdom dont look here.
Find a teacher who teaches you how to look inside yourself.
>If you have not started the spiritual journey, don't.
>If you have started, hurry and finish it.
Does hurry up mean to look for shortcuts?
Does this seem to suggest shortcuts exist and are beneficial once you begin?
Have you figured out yet that the reason you see pic related everywhere is because it's what you discover once you look inside yourself?
Have you figured out yet that the eye is your eye?
Are you one of the 95% that is rejecting the truth of what all this is actually leading up to?
Are you ready to realize everything here is part of you already?
Knock knock, anon.
Open the door.
You are the key.
First ego claims to be alive.
Then the first stage of enlightenment is reached.
"Ah ha!", says ego, feeling very clever. "I'm not alive, I am the dreamer dreaming all this!"
Then time passes, more meditation, more observing the nature of mind and ego says "Ah ha! Now I've really figured it out! I'm not the dreamer, I am just the dream!"
Then realization finally hits and the ego says nothing, because it has stopped pretending to exist.
Then thinking stops because nothing is pretending to think.
This point is called ego-death.
Then you discover who and what you really aren't.
You also discover what you have always been.
P=P and P=NP, where P=You.