>>679539

Revolvers probably won't die because of pocket carry alone. As the Hungary poster who replied to you made out, the pocket revolver is super stupid simple, packs a lot of firepower in a small frame where auto loaders also have low capacity, is vastly superior in terms of street condition reliability (especially with people who don't clean their guns), and the fact you don't have to worry about what shape a bullet you put into the cylinder, unlike the auto loader. It will still be a choice in that category for both professionals and less serious conceal carriers.

Hunters and serious gun guys will continue to use revolvers because of versatility. A revolver can shoot just as well with super light target loads as it does with maximum power loads; a S&W 29 will shoot a 180 grain cast bullet in a 44 Russian cartridge at 700 fps as well as it can fire a 300 grain bullet at 1,000 fps. Handloaders have almost unlimited range, between squib and overpressure at least. Flat nose cast bullets have no problems in a revolver, while the wrong ogives will give auto loaders big trouble. The revolver is also capable of far, far, far greater accuracy out of the box for a standard gun than a combat style auto loader because of fixed barrel. Big cartridges and big power are no big problem in the revolver, pistols want to keep OAL down on cartridges to get them to fit the grip, shorter the better, revolvers don't have this issue. All of this means serious casters, handloaders, hunters, shooters have very good reasons to use them.

They are a cheap gateway into bullseye shooting. An NRA study from several decades ago established the potential for off the rack COMBAT S&W and Colt revolvers to achieve 2.5-3 MOA using cheap Bullseye gunpowder and cheap lead swage bullets in 38 Special. People who talk about how 9mm Luger can be accurate bring up the fact that "muh expensive super match pistol with super advanced handload specifically designed for it can be accurate too" gloss over the fact a guy with a $300 police surplus Model 10 from Buds Guns and a cheap generic handload or match load off the shelf, not designed for the gun, can give him a run for his money! Cheap accuracy is where they excel to this very day.

Which leads to one more point on the combat revolver, they offer a cheap alternative to others for the purpose of a handgun that is both match accurate AND combat reliable. In order to achieve this in auto loaders, they must be custom made and built, usually better models with extremely high price tags. As mentioned, a retuned $300 surplus police revolver is combat reliable and match accurate, something you will never find in a similar price auto loader. A brand new S&W or similar quality offers a lot in this regard for the price you pay. There is a reason why the Manuhurin didn't die out so quick in special forces use.

>>679539

> New projectiles and propellants might change the game though.

HA HA HA OH WOW. The only real revolution in gun powder in the last, what, fucking 70-80 years was better rifle powders that improved the capability of medium bore rifles and overbore rifles. Handgun reloaders have been using the same powders for over a hundred years in some cases, others are 80 or so years old, the newer ones are almost always knockoffs. Look at real factory loads and performance, there hasn't been, and there is no indication of, any powder revolution any time soon. If ever. Bullet design improvements are more important in regard to what you are mentioning, but even then there are limitations. You can only do so much with so much bullet and so much energy.

>>679844

My points above are a counterarguement.

>>679900

Dubs checked. Also I was a bit harsh in my reply,

but I think my point will stand even with the 100 year remark. Blackpowder dominated for 400 years with minor improvements, the smokeless era has seen many old brands remain popular for decades without any real challenges. Bullseye and Unique, both from the late 1890's, is still popular for handgun reloading to the point that Hogdgon got DuPont's old IMR line to reproduce a version of those two gun powders, along with 3 of the colored dot powders from Hercules/Aliant's line from the 1930's, so even new gun powders are copying 120 year old smokeless powder tech. Something could come along and change things up, but if one were to take the long bet that smokeless nitrocellulose and nitroglycirn powders have limitations and other limitations with cartridges might mean those current limits might be about it. We want to replace lead styphenate in primers, yet we can't do that either yet. For all we know, 2400, H110, Unique, Bullseye, et al will still be the major handloaders pistol powders. Maybe not, maybe the revolution in tech will come, but it won't.

>>679966

Also dubs. Do they still make the Hi Standard target pistols? Get yourself an old one if they don't, they are a grade above the rest of the 22 target pistol line, if you want to spend the casho. The triggers are exquisite. Otherwise, what everyone else recommended.

>>680576

>>680573

>>680577

Holy fuck.

>>680827

>>680771

Fortunecookie is mostly a bullet caster channel, but still a great channel overall. He does a good job explaining a lot of points of reloading and internal ballistics. A lot of videos are repetitive, that's the nature of handloading projects. But he's worth a view, especially his more purpose made videos.

>>681311

Checked dubs, my friend. It only seems like modern people need constant stimulation BECAUSE THEY DO NEED CONSTANT STIMULATION. We are all autists, now.

>>681622

Imagine you are in shitland and the water table is super, super high. You start digging in and 8 inches down you hit water. Do you keep digging to keep the hole as concealable as possible, or do you start to pile stuff up to make a barrier? There are torrential rains during the night and drainage can become an issue. What do you do when you can't dig deeper? When you may have already dug deep enough? Dig deeper into the soil, eventually in the right soil it beings to cave in on you or flow back in?

Static heavy defensive positions eventually lead to a situation where a better entrenchment is superior to a neat little foxhole. Your picture in post >>681625 is of a heavy built defensive dug out, not a foxhole. They are better off with a larger, deeper, better protected entrenchment here. In heavy assaults, you are better off with something large you can maneuver in, use heavier weapons, stock supplies and ammunition, ect. In a heavy assault on more open ground, your "concealed" foxhole won't stay hidden forever, and cover is more important than concealment.

>>682352

I've shot both steel and polymer frame, and I prefer metal. Its not autism, its the fact not everybody eats the shit they get shoveled down their throats by advertisers and whatever the top brass "sez is bestest".

>>682753

>>682751

>>682755

44 Magnum is the true barrier of standard pistol cartridge and sub novelty super magnum. Truth is, most popular 44 Magnum factory loads are medium powered, because its more than enough to kill what needs to be killed in a revolver or a pistol caliber carbine. Its been kinda the notion that the only folks who use super heavy handloads for 44 Magnum are silhoutte shooters (who usually get sick of the punishment after enough rounds and years) and handgun hunters. Many 44 carriers use light 44 Magnum or outright 44 Special. The rifle can handle hot loads well, and the energy gain from the longer barrel is enough to kill what needs to be killed within the range that the ballistic coefficeint and killing range of those bullets can be accurate and ethical for hunting at.

tl;dr The 44 Magnum is still considered perfect, not because of Dirty Harry, but because its an inherently accurate cartridge that works well at low and medium power, and high power if needed, but even its upper limit is actually too powerful. If 44 Magnum's upper handgun power is excessive, that makes everything above and beyond hunter specific/meme grade territory. In rifles, the pistol sized bullets lack the ballistic coefficent and sectional density to be much good on bigger game, and still have problems shooting flat and accurate at range even as you crank up the velocity. Going above and beyond 44 Magnum simply offers little to nothing, except for serious hardcore handgun hunters. I'll give maybe a concession to the 500 Magnum simply because its size and possibility with weight of bullets can be in a category of performance on its own.

A 460 Magnum rifle? At some point, kids, we just have to be honest with ourselves and buy a fucking 45-70 gubmit, or a 35 Whelen, or even a fucking 30-06. At some point we're better off with a real rifle, rather than trying to keep pumping up a pistol cartridge with light for caliber bullets to do something its not good at. A 30-06 with 220 grain soft points is a better alternative, anything 35 Whelen, anything 45-70, hell another old school cool option for lever guns is the 38-55 Ballard. I've killed a deer with my 375 H&H with cast bullets and tamed loads, putting in in league with super magnum handgun power, albeit with better BC and sectional density.

I like your guys's thinking a lot of the time, and I agree on some of it, but there are good reasons things are the way they are.

>>682763

I've used my 357 Magnum 1894ae for general hunting, tried 38 Special and just plain high power 357 Magnum, just eventually stuck with the magnum loads. At some point the 38's will work here and there, but sticking to one load will make sure your dope never changes. 158 grain magnum soft points tear animals to shreds, but it always shoots nice and flat, too. Lately been doing more the Tommy gun for skunks and whatnot, being subsonic, but it would be fun to whip out the old lever gun again.

>>682768

AmmoSeek sez both Federal and Remington offer there classic, old as the hills heavy bullet soft point 220 grain loads from the factory. Remington can be had in the US for $0.65 a round (before shipping rape).

>>682796

I think the reasons that a lot of 44 carriers carry 44 instead of 45 Colt are a few. People who like to carry compact, which is common in the modern era as the revolver is displaced by the autoloader for duty carry, or as a backup to a duty gun, will choose a smaller frame big bore revolver like a Charter Arms or even a medium frame revolver like a S&W L frame or Ruger GP. They can get a 5 shot 44 Special/Magnum into a smaller gun that you simply can't get with a 45 ACP or 45 Colt. 44 Special, especially, won't die for this reason for conceal carry, because 45 Colt is literally out in the cold here.

As for full frame 44 Magnum or old fashioned large frame 44 Special carrying people, which includes myself sometimes, you have an extremely good question. The 45 Colt is slightly bigger and bigger size helps do better damage, means an expanding bullet starts off larger and doens't have to expand as much to gain the same final expanded diameter. I'm sure this is what you are after, and its something to consider. "45 Colt is objectively superior to 44 Special or Russian" is a solid statement.

I think the reason why some of us still carry 44 Magnum is the fact that we can safely use medium power loads, not too powerful to handle in combat, yet powerful enough to give us an advantage we are after, that we can't safely get out of a 45 Colt "cooked up" in hotter loads. You want to carry a S&W N frame revolver, and want big bore performance in the 300-500 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy range? Maybe consider getting that Model 25 Colt 45. Want a big bore and have a muzzle energy 600-900 ft. lbs. because you can handle loads in that area in terms of recoil and blast, you better stick with the Model 29 44 Magnum. The 44 in this case is super safe and well under maximum loads to get what you want, the 45 Colt is pushing the limits till they break.

As for the 45 Colt itself, if you want to carry a large frame revolver its probably one of the very best. Top notch, with expanding bullets, and if you must use non expanding bullets its one of the very best. Even as a revolver guy, I think the SAA is obsolete, but the cartridge itself in a modern revolver is a big, but extremely capable and respectable choice, for self defense.

Since I live out in the country, I carry my rifles on a daily basis, even if all that is is walking around the large yard or between houses on the property. I noticed that my neck started to hurt, and I carry my PTR91 with the H&K leather strap, around my neck for ready purpose, as its intended. I do manual labor, I lift weights, so other things may have contributed, but I could tell that when I changed to shoulder carry and laying off the rifle for a while altogether or changing to other rifles with shoulder only slings, my neck started to hurt less. So…..

I don't suppose anyone else has any experience with this, or any military reports on two point slings and stress around the neck when carried a certain way? Or does all the heavy shit the modern heavy infantry carry in service means they can't trace down what things cause service non combat injuries like neck and back problems? Anyone else have any issues with the way they carry their rifles?

>>683309

>>683306

I don't think anyone ever liked it. Its fun to look at how people who served with it give you their experiences with every weapon they carried and used, you will get a lot of bad information (personal attachment and propaganda fed to them by the State to love the weapon and this leads to false positives), as well as good information, take the averages and composite to find the truth closest to truth. When the lovers of the thing are honest about negative attributes, than they are usually real.

The issue withe M9 is the fact that nobody who served with it seemed to like it. That when you went for the natural, unguarded reactions it was always "ewww" by those who had to use one. That it was generally unliked and looked down upon. As popular as the 1911 was with those who served with it, the M9 seemed to be disliked by those who carried it. Rare to hear a positive comment, or to see any type of fanatical loyalty from those who served with it like so many other weapons.

I think a lot of soldiers were glad to see it go. Remember, it was adopted purely because of political deals to get a US Air Force base in Italy.

>>683614

At full power its around the old Soviet 7.62x39, its main purpose is subsonic work with a suppressor. Problem is, its terminal performance is not that great with subsonic rounds, and the super heavy bullets for caliber that were being promised as the big ticket to the effectiveness of the round have had problems with stability at those sub sonic velocities (220 grain will have issues at longer range even with a fast 1:7 twist at those velocities) so there are issues with it. I've stated a few times, 45 ACP out of a 16 inch barrel is subsonic and far more effective on tissue than a 300 Whisper, even if 300 can penetrate soft body armor or potentially some barriers better.

45 hollow points are better than a 230 grain .30 caliber bullet tumbling at those velocities, even at higher velocities. 30 caliber bullets that do expand at those velocities aren't that impressive and are inferior to 45 hollow points, maybe some 45 solids for that matter. To fuck the sub sonic crowd in the ass is the fact we never got our suppressors deregulated anyway, so some of the potential isn't realized.

Its not a bad idea, or a bad round, it has potential. Its the fact that those obsessed with sub sonic close range might find cheaper and more available alternatives. I'm just going to keep shooting skunks with my Tommy gun, I already own it, and with XTP's or even hand cast bullets its pretty effective on small game anyway. As for home defense, there are similar issues.

I'd like to see the cartridge succeed, yet I see it as being a tough road to hoe, and one could say that what I've written on the subject isn't helping. But I speak truth, to let things be known, not promote.

Got a Polish sling mount for my AK today, but can't find any place that sells the official wood screws. What is the closest wood screw I can get, what are the dimensions if I go to the local hardware store?

>>684229

For beginners using something bigger than a 22 pistol, the revolver is the best choice. You can shoot light 38 loads in a steel frame revolver using single action as a way to learn the fundamentals and basics of shooting a centerfire cartridge. Then graduate to heavier loads and double action. For novice conceal carriers, the revolver is also the best because noobs won't be tempted to carry an empty chamber like they will with auto loaders, and will function better with less maintenance by lazy new comers.

If you want to shoot handgun, start with a target .177 bb caliber rifled pistol and use real diablo pellets and shoot paper to learn basic fundamentals. Then after a couple of thousand cheap pellets, get a rimfire target pistol. Then work your way up to maybe a model of handgun in rimfire for further practice away from target pistols, or better yet get yourself a cheap 38 steel frame revolver and ladder up through light loads to heavy. Once you have done this, shot enough fundamentals, then its time for auto loader training. In my opinion.

>>684285

Modern centerfires are not only small caliber, but low power, blast, recoil. They are light shooters, especially the 22lr which is really THE rimfire of choice. 22 pistols can kill, rimfire can kill, but they are still horrible choices for self defense. When we speak of centerfire we're talking about moving up to more serious handgun cartridges. Yes, 25 ACP is about the same as 22 lr in a rough sense, 32 S&W and 32 ACP are light shooters, too. However, rimfire is cheap and its main purpose is practice, centerfire, even the "mouse cartridges" like 25 ACP and the light 32's are more reliable and their purpose is more every day carry and more serious use.

No matter how much you like your S&W Masterpiece 22lr revolver, you will carry your 38 when the day comes, or use 38 even for more serious bullseye or other shooting. No matter how cheap your 22lr any pistol is and good for fundamentals because its cheap and easy, one day you will use centerfire for more serious practice and purpose. One is for cheap fun, fundamentals, squirrels, the other is for everything else.

>>684301

>>684306

The revolver is more simple, you close the cylinder and pull the trigger. There is no slide, no safety, you can't have problems with riding the slide forward, problems with rounds not going into battery. Truly, the operation and concerns of the revolver are easier. Number of operating parts have nothing to do with this, so that's irrelevant. Also, one need not handload to get a wide variety of cartridges, 38 target loads are still for sale, often at very reasonable prices. More powerful standard rounds and defensive rounds are available from the factory as well.

Also, we try to give the best advice when possible. He should have a real life mentor and not trolls on the boards of the internet. If he goes to a club or hangs around more experience shooters, they can help him choose ammunition, or if he does not become reloader himself try to get someone to handload light loads for him, if he's serious and wants to learn that path.

>>684368

Depends on the carrier, depends on the plate, depends on your body build, depends on your hoody. They make plate carriers that are concealable as possible, not big with the tacticool crowd because it lacks MOLLE and attachments, and even a conceal plate carrier might show depending on the things listed above, but its not impossible to have a plate carrier and plate concealed if you do it right. But, yes, a vest can be more concealable.

>>684519

I was committed for alcoholism. In my state 3 years of no affliction and the whole thing is like it never happened, "privileges" restored. Got a conceal permit, renewed it five years later, both with background checks to the state government that had access to my records. Check your local state law about how the law will deal with this. Also, for a current gun owner, I don't think most states will do anything if you go voluntarily, doctors do this to keep people from being too afraid to ask for help.

Also, keep in mind >>684526 is correct in many ways, clinical depression might exist, but the two problems about "treatment" is 1. most of it isn't clinical like the other poster said, 2. even if it is clinical psychiatry in many ways is still in the dark ages trying to figure out how their drugs and treatments work, they don't know exactly how psychiatric diseases work nor how they effectively treat them. Keep in mind, for many people symptoms and behaviours will get worse, not better, with medication.

Talk to people who care about you, talk to clergy, talk to family and friends. Dark times come upon us all, sometimes toughing through and reaching out to trusted people is the only positive way forward. Wish the best for you.

>>684594

The very nature of the gun market, good or bad, is that prices stay high even for used guns. This also leads to moments where people want super inflated prices for old guns, seemingly insane more-than-brand-new prices sometimes.

If it is a "fully loaded", whatever the fuck SA means by that, maybe there are other options worth the money, grill those guys on that, but I doubt it. If its a national match then yes. Super match then yes. The usual price at my local city's big name brand was $1,600 for a usual brand new back in like 2012, and I got mine with an old sticker price at $1,500. Normal GI guns I think are at their cheapest for decades, so it sounds a bit funny.

>>685365

If you are thinking of sporterizing it, find a good rope and a rafter, tie a noose and attach the other end to the rafter. Now, I don't condone suicide, so don't hang yourself. Just think about it a while.

If you want a sporter rifle, buy a new action and build a gun up. Little secret about Mausers is that WW1 guns and before are made of soft steel and on old machines and aren't that great, most WW2 Mausers are of better steel but not as good as post WW2 steels and were often built in haste and often by forced labor and were of shitty quality. This ain't the 1950's where those guns were falling out of the sky and could be had for peanuts, there is no reason anymore to sporterize a military bolt action gun EVER AGAIN. Not only is it destroying a piece of history, desecrating a great rifle, destroying a diminishing amount of military Mausers and historic artifacts, they are a STUPID choice for making a nice high end sporter rifle in any case. The only reason left is "Muh granpa sporterized one in the 50's cuz they were abundant and cheap and I just do things cuz I heard someone else did it" and that's a shitty reason.

What you have, in my overbearing and pushy opinion, is a great choice for a complete restoration instead of a conservation. Anyone with a good bore and beat up rifle is under real pressure, either from duty to the rifle itself or market forces, to conserve the rifle as is. A bad bore means you have the ethical, and market if you choose to resell it, chance to strip the entire gun down and do a thorough refinish of the stock, refinish of the steel, and the benefits of a brand new modern production barrel.

You don't have a duty to CONSERVE the rifle as is anymore, but I think you have a duty to RESTORE the rifle and actually have the leeway a complete, back to mint brand new rework job for a "factory new" finish. One last time, this is for everyone in an open global forum, sporterizing is bad taste, borderline unethical if not absolutely unethical, and a retarded choice for people who do want a great hand built personalized sporter.

>>685749

When we talk of frontal surface area, a 0.75 caliber has over double the frontal surface area than a .50 caliber. Same way 8mm Mauser (0.323) is actually over double the size of a 5.56 NATO (0.224). The difference between a 50 caliber muzzle loader and a 12 bore 72 caliber is HUGE. Just mentioning that 50% greater diameter isn't telling the whole story.

>>685813

Things to consider, if you are going to be in an anti gun state and comply with the law, yes the M1a is the better choice. It is made for a traditional stock and made to shoot well with it. If you can't have a pistol grip it is a simple choice. Nigger rig stocks to make pistol grip standard guns legal are inferior.

"Easier to find parts". Parts made for M14's and M1a's will fit an M1a. If there was World War 3 or civil war you can use parts in a National Guard or even reserve army parts, armorer parts at police stations during a crisis. Magazines will fit all M14/M1a. They are standardized. AR-10's are the WORST for finding parts, there is no true standard AR-10 and many parts cannot be swapped, many use different magazines. If there is one argument to cast the AR-10 into the "no go" for militia choice and put the M1a into the "go ahead" for militia choice it is standardization. Being able to change out a thing here or there with AR-15's won't help you when you can't swap magazines or ESSENTIAL parts that matter.

By the way, modification is overblown. The GI rifle will suit most needs, a lot of mod market is just people buying shit, like a 15 year old kid working at a gas station to get a turbo charger for his car that he will never install. Essential parts are super important, all that Barbie doll shit is secondary.

If you are real nofuns, don't buy a battle rifle first with 3-9x optics. Get yourself an air rifle and shoot 10,000 pellets through it. Then buy a 22 lr and put 10,000 rounds through it. Learn from others, gain some experience, build some fundamentals. THEN start thinking about this.

>>685877

You strawman'ed my statement. Even if size is important in terminal ballistics, I never said anything about 45 ACP being more effective than 308 or 223 or whatever. The point being that people often assume that diameter changes are small and sometimes seem to discount them too easily, and the differences are massive. This not only plays a role in terminal ballistics, but external ballistics as well, and explains why there is the diversity of calibers that there is. Why when calibers go up the weight of bullets HAS to go up significantly, because it is not merely "a few hundredths of an inch" but rather a radical change in size. We know, but many should be more educated on the very nature of the machine.

A 0.62 caliber smoothbore compared to a 0.775 caliber means an increase of tight fitting ball weight of DOUBLE for the larger bore in comparison. Why a 0.308 magnum cannot do what a 0.338 magnum can for long range, even if you make a monster case for the .308. Why the 8mm Mauser JS is considered inferior for long range work to the 30-06, but one can argue the 8mm is better for close hunting. Why a 0.338 Lapua and a 0.375 H&H Magnum can have similar power with the right handloads with the same bullet weights, same velocities, one is better for long range and the other is better for hunting.

I get your point, and I don't know much about w40K and won't go into that, but I'll go back to my original point about how easy it is for people to forget that upsizing is no small issue, a public service open forum statement. A 0.75 caliber gun compared to a similar 0.50 caliber gun is a massive difference, wither you want to make an anti material rifle or even a simple musket.

>>685935

It is a constant problem. You get such people that fall into the mindset on every issue, people who think size is everything, people who think that velocity is magical, people who think that new hollow point bullets can be built that can magically defy physics. Education on such subjects is an endless struggle, but I suppose a worthy one. Why we suffer such things and keep doing what we do.

>>686052

Co-belligerents.

>>685830

>>685892

I bought my M1a GI stock several years ago for $1,500, a basic might run you as low as $1,300 USD nowadays if you look in the right places. For a general issue combat rifle the M1a's are just fine for accuracy. The issue is that to get them to top notch DMR levels you need to do work on them, or buy a National Match or a Super Match. I've seen them drop to as low as $2,400 on Bud's Guns, and you can get one already rip roaring ready for precision shooting for that price. Keep in mind the Garand style guns have the problem of having an action bedded into a stock vs. the modern independent receiver. Bedding wont be an issue on a GI low end M1a for battle rifle purpose, but if you modify one to make it better remember bedding is important to maximizing its accuracy potential, and that some have had issues with bedding getting loose after abuse and heavy firing in some cases.

>>685899

I'm too old fashioned, I see the open carry as the honorable old way of doing things. It is honest and forthright. Beyond that, there are benefits such as carrying a larger weapon because you are not trying to conceal it, and as mentioned easy access. Modern sensibilities have made it very difficult to do, can cause problems with panicky people, and it also interferes with an intelligent public policy (if everyone carries concealed, and criminals and potential mass shooters or terrorsts don't know who they are, they are more likely not to attack anyone out of fear of the hidden mass armed public). They want weapon owners anonymous to keep such people paranoid, if everyone started to carry openly it would signal to criminals and others who is an easy target and who is not. They don't want open carry too popular for a solid reason right there.

Having someone try to rob you of your weapon during open carry is over stated, probably by those trying to promote conceal over open carry. Those people were likely weak men who criminals know would crumple up like wet paper bags. Notice most open carriers are NOT the victims of random crimes, rather the opposite. Again this plays a role in how conceal carry deters crime through "unknown" factor. The whole tactical advantage thing is a toss up, yes they don't know where your weapon is, how you are going to draw and fire. Then again, if its so tacticool advantagist than why do police, military, security all carry open holster?

Keep it concealed, I guess, don't upset the folks because it makes trouble, we don't need trouble. I carry almost openly because I live in rural nowhere. Still, best to keep it slightly hidden so the retards don't panic over it. Doesn't take much for the gun to be open carried enough for the real people to know and the panicky idiots to miss it.