What: I aim to fix the bullshit about women on /pol/ with facts

Why: most on all /pol/s seem to either think like simps (delusion) or think women are pure evil (idiocy)

Fact #1: The total fertility rate required for a population to avoid extinction is 2.7 (https://phys.org/news/2025-04-kids-woman-population-survival-reveals.html)

Fact#2: In most modern societies men do not have the power to decide when to reproduce. The law clearly states women decide when to date, marry, fuck and reproduce. If you don't like it the entire police force will assault you with overwhelming force until you obey.

Fact #3: Nature designed women to be physically much weaker than men, so any individual woman would be overpowered by any one man wishing for offspring

Fact #4: There is no birth control in nature, which means 1 kid per year is the natural expected average rate for any living woman from 14 to 35+.

That's an average rate. That means that for every woman that has 0 kids another needs to have 5.4 just to avoid extinction. For significant population growth the TFR needs to be around 6. That means for every woman with 0 kids, another needs to have 12, or that for every woman with only 3, another needs to have 9, etc.

Fact #5: When any woman has an option to do anything other than having kids, she will pick this option. Even if she's rich. As a group, women will not have 3+ kids if they have that choice.

A child:

-largely decreases a woman's sexual value to men

-is a high burden/danger for the woman, economically, physically and psychologically

-is simply less profitable than any other option the woman has in a non-agrarian society where she has the option of birth control and to perform any other productive activity

Thus any woman who has 3+ kids is acting entirely irrationally in a modern society, while any onlyfans unmarried career-college-roastie is just following the most rational decision-making available to her.

Examples:

Gazans/Yemenites/Subsaharian africans: tfr 6+. Arranged marriages at age 12-14, no birth control, no higher education, mostly rural lifestyles, no female power

Amish. Tfr: 4-6+. Marriage by age 18, no birth control, no higher education, rural lifestyles, no female power

In short, the minimum requirements for TFR 6 are:

>no higher education for the vast majority of BOTH men and women

>a rural lifestyle for the majority of the populace (all urban centers have TFR rates below replacement in most of history)

>no birth control whatsoever

>mandatory marriage before age 18 for 90%+ of the population

>no divorce (just the possibility of divorce can put childbirth on hold)

Typical-counterarguments:

>women are whores

And thank god they are. We can track that most of reproductive health in urban Europe in the last few centuries comes from single moms violating social expectations to get knocked up. Europeans would have gone extinct long before discovering America if women were not whores.

Women want to be fucked as much as you want to fuck them. That's natural. The problem is a man can fuck and go to sleep with no worries whatsoever. A woman needs to operate a dangerous social choice every time she fucks unless she uses technology like birth control, despite being equally horny, so why wouldn't she? This is why marriage exists. It turns a woman from a "whore" to "your whore" who no one can touch and who has to act chaste in public as well. This is likely what nature intended by making men stronger than women.

>muh soviets in 1950 and muh Mongolia in 2025

Both have/had rapidly falling TFR, even if the TFR was "high" at any given point. Not only TFR has to be high at any given moment, but it also has to be growing or stable. You can have dropping TFR with a temporarily growing population, until suddenly you get population collapse. Both Mongolia and the Soviets started with a highly rural/agrarian population, performed a lot of pro-natal policies, but in both cases once women achieved any labor participation and education, the TFR began dropping rapidly. Other examples of nations that had recently healthy, but falling TFRs: North Korea, Iran, Turkmenistan

Any nation with a tfr below 4-5 (slow growth) is endangered already and heading for future contraction-stagnation.

>muh Christianity

Christianity has a mediocre TFR record compared to other traditional populations. Christian fundamentalism raised acceptable marriage ages while Jewish fundamentalism did the exact opposite, with predictable results. Renaissance and 19th century Christian Europe had a tfr of around 5, but it also had the high child mortality of pre-modern societies. That puts the TFR with surviving children to around 3-3.5, barely enough to a slow population growth. Meanwhile the likes of India and China have had a TFR of 8-9 for decades simply by following natural human tendencies while still having marriages and "civilization". Pre-Christian Romans had an estimated TFR of 6-7 due to marrying girls at 11-12. Post-Christian romans had a population decrease and population replacement by migration (!)

"Christian" Finland went from 4.4 to 5.5 millions in the same time India went from 300 to 1.3 billion. It's a 1/4 increases vs a 4x increase.

Same comparison between christian Greece and Turkey.

Biblically accurate christians are better referenced by the Amish today.

>muh pedophilia makes young brides a bad idea

factually, most men aren't pedophiles. This has been easily tested in lab settings. The average man requires secondary sexual characteristics for arousal, characterized by estrogenic fat tissue, developed female bone structure and other cues. Nature can be reliably used to assess reproductive fitness without worrying about pedophiles (who are a mentally ill minority)

The world is overpopulated. India has 1.4 billion people. Interesting they also have about 25 thousand tonnes of the world gold reserves of a total of about 200k. That is about 20 trillion dollars of todays currency and its only in gold not counting silver and other precious metals. So are indians really poor or are they over populated?

>>13629483

>In short, the minimum requirements for TFR 6 are:

>>no higher education for the vast majority of BOTH men and women

>>a rural lifestyle for the majority of the populace (all urban centers have TFR rates below replacement in most of history)

>>no birth control whatsoever

>>mandatory marriage before age 18 for 90%+ of the population

>>no divorce (just the possibility of divorce can put childbirth on hold)

basically, you want Europeans to live the life of (sand)niggers, that sucks.

a better approach is what nazis did: a lot of economic measures (so its profitable to have 3+ kids), propaganda ("having kids is good") and medical care(its not dangerous to birth 3+ kids).

>>13629485

There are many people in india but nothing is to be done about it cause the kikes are just trying genocide white people.

Also the world is not over populated, there aren’t even 5 billion people in this part of the world. The population numbers are the ultimate free masonic kike lie.

We are lied to about everything! That is just going to become painfully apparent as we go forward til people snap and then it’s global french style revolution it is. Enjoy the ride.

Also a message from papa klaus: you vill take zee boosters und you vill depopulate und you vill be zee happy!

>>13629515

I seen that pic of klaus before and have it save somewhere good one. The thing about kikes though is its all usupation but how can you usurp the bohemian? That is why they plagiariaze bohemian grove. Try are false jews and false bohemians. Bohemian means robot and wanderer

"If there is a probelm yo ill solve it"

This def looks like ai chat gpt. Use grok you fag lord >>13629483

>>13629522

>The thing about kikes though is its all usupation but how can you usurp the bohemian?

Im gonna level wit ya bruh, have almost no knowledge of bohemia or bohemian grove past what richard nixon said about bohemian grove lol.

Anywhere you could point me to learn a little more, like a good in depth book?

Also most women now are sterile especially white women, they took many of the poison death shots cause they believe everything kike media tells them sadly.

Have we reached the quota of threads about women yet?

>>13629538

If you want to go down some gud rabbit holes look into the Real NWO ,

The 300 bloodlines

and strangely enought its not all kikes

they have shaped the world before Christ times

Look who were the families in the Holy Roman Empire and still around today

Rothschilds one too start on

>>13629545

Ok, thanks.

Was looking at this awhile back, when i see the H i throw it in the garbage can lol.

The history channel is not history it’s hand rubbing (((history))).

>>13629558

OH Yes

the KIKE REVISIONIST CHANNEL

EVERYONE has woke up that MASS GASSING at the so called DEATH CAMPS was a WORLD LIE !

TOLD and still today by

That shitty horrible kike propaganda series

THE WORLD AT WAR ..

they used REAL WW2 stuff

and Got sued massively by many they featured ,

Zionist TALMUD

Didnt care still shown as Fact now .

THE ZIONIST leaders got made BILLIONAIRES on it !

THERE WERE NO GAS CHAMBERs /DEATH CHAMBERs in Concerntration camps ,

EVEN Georgie Soros has said same ,

His family made literally billions stealing other kikes wealth and selling them out to be arrested an put in work camps in WW2 !

theres an Interview

where he said it in the 90s

He even said

You would do the same and make a few silver coins on the way !

Just WOW

>>13629538

Bohemia is secret history. That is the sudentendland that hitler first annexed precursor to sept 1 1939. Like i said: bohemenian means wanderer and it means robot. It is slavic. Robot means slave. Supposedly hitler said he would make slavs his slaves. He meant bohemia

Evil is obsessed with and gravititates to bohemians. It plagiarizes like it plagiarizes the saints and attempts to take the identity of that which it seeks to conquer

It is hubris

>>13629578

But

Can we all just agree ,

BG was just a shitshow parade, for Some so Called Elites

Its like the Freemason on the 33 angles

or thos in other Cults

santanic child raping and killing ones

where they

Truely Deeply Believe

they are Ascended as Godly !

its funny they not The Messiah they just nawty boys , Python needed

top tier kek

>>13629485

it's not going to get to be higher than 8 billion. It's going down to 4-6 billion and crashing every developed economy on the way there

>>13629493

>basically, you want Europeans to live the life of (sand)niggers, that sucks.

Or ancient greeks or romans. Or the amish. You got options

> what nazis did

not functional long term. 19th century german christianity managed a 5-ish, so that might be the best, but ultimately it was already considered painfully decadent by the contemporaries and it still requires monarchies at the very least, with peasantry

>>13629515

Indian demographics is hitting 2.2, which means they're on the way down. With a population above a billion even 2.5 would create a massive imbalance.

>>13629524

No i wrote it with my own two hands. I didn't even consult any AI. Pretty cool to know i'm this amazing though

>>13629540

This is the only thread that matters and women in it are irrelevant. This just factually explains the direct consequences of current ideology about women. You can organize society the way you prefer, even getting everyone to wear clown outfits. But you need to begin making birth control illegal and giving people free countryside land and grants if they are young and married if you want kids.

>>13629545

>>13629558

>>13629538

You people have mentally ill delusions. No one is sterile. Women just abort kids. Do you people not have sex? Even using condoms your girl gets pregnant every time you don't put it snug enough. People are just either on pills, have abortion pills in the cabinet, IUDs, or use condoms without fail. Or don't date in the first place because they don't feel good enough. Nothing is stopping TFR 6 besides societal behaviors.

>>13629582

correct

>>13629583

Can you psycho shills find your own /x/ equivalent instead of bothering me and my thread? Fucking niggers

>>13629646

>>13629558 (You)

>>13629538 (You)

>You people have mentally ill delusions. No one is sterile. Women just abort kids. Do you people not have sex? Even using condoms your girl gets pregnant every time you don't put it snug enough. People are just either on pills, have abortion pills in the cabinet, IUDs, or use condoms without fail. Or don't date in the first place because they don't feel good enough. Nothing is stopping TFR 6 besides societal behaviors.

Nigger you are a downy baby level retard. Please do everyone a favor and take more many more c19 boosters so that you can stay healthy and continue to trust science!

>>13629482

>Fact #1 required fertility rate to avoid extinction

Were way above that requirement and have been for centuries.

>Fact #2 In most modern societies men do not have the power to decide when to reproduce

Wrong. I can go to any 3rd world country and buy a wife. Even ugly dudes can do it.

The rest of your "facts" just tell me you're brown and very retarded.

>>13629482

the women need all those kids individually if its 50/50 men/women split on reproductive everything (so pop is 50/50 split naturally and everyone who can pair pairs)

in a situation like we're in, where we may see for the first time in a long time a "natural" shrinking of total global human population (maybe we won't, though), i dont look at it like this.

the only people who need to reproduce need to reproduce right now. Theres a lot of totally dysgenic blobs out there who dont need to shit out another dysgenic humanoid creature (of course we all know how it goes, idiocracy touched on this).

but my point is that its the burden of every guy worth his salt to go out and produce 6+ offspring, or whatever the number is. it can be 1 kid with 1 woman for all of the offspring, or not, but either way, its less on the women giving birth to 12 children, and now more of a burden on a man who is worth it to go out and make babies. its so easy for everyone to pair, theoretically, we dont need losers making more of themselves any longer, theres enough of that. 1 hot chick can have 1 hot kid, a guy can be the babydaddy to like 6+ women, and that's going to be healthier for humanity moving forward for a while. it seems more natural too in some ways.

times are flipping which is okay. hopefully these trends eventually mean ugly fucked up people are producing way less, and fit men are fucking hot women making a new stronger generation of people (even if it is smaller in total size). i really think that is how it will ultimately go, we're not gonna retard ourselves to death as a species, theres too many strong people and communities spread far enough apart that corrections will always occur to some degree.

dont worry, just get fit and whatnot and go out and make babies with as many women as possible - if youre worth it.

>>13629482

Kino thread gets posted when I'm away

I'm not sure about your calculations, like that 5.4 TFR, but overall the reasoning is correct.

Anyone claiming you need to generate only 2 kids for each family to reach population parity is a drooling retard, every person failing to reproduce adds a burden on the other families to cover up for their failure, or the whole populations shrinks.

Every person have no kids, or only 1 kid, means other families will ahve to birth thsoe 2 or 1 missing kids, that's only to keep population parity, where the entire population doesn't grow nor decreses.

>Fact #1: The total fertility rate required for a population to avoid extinction is 2.7

Remember the important part, human beings are not fractional numbers, 2.7 kids don't exist in nature, it's either 2 kids or 3 kids, and since 2.7 is higher than 2, 2.7 means 3 kids or more

brainlets who don't understand math have issues with this simple fact

>>13629485

>The world is overpopulated

The world isn't overpopulated, there are just too many niggers and jeets

Europe is losing population since you faggot americans have invaded and occupied us with your oversea military bases, by which you are spreading your (((mental disease))) worldwide

>>13629814

>like that 5.4 TFR

Oh I got it only now, you've taken the average 2.7 kids for population parity and you've multiplied it by 2. That's assuming half of all fertile women don't have kids, in that case the 5.4 kids per woman would be the minimum to don't have the population decrease.

Keep also in mind that "kids not birthed" (or aborted) is not the only negative factor influencing population growth, for which is necessary to have extra kids to cover the empty hole left in society by those missing persons.

Every kid dying before growing and starting their own family is a negative factor, meaning one more kid must be birthed to cover for that missing person.

Every kid getting troonized and becoming (((mentally infertile))) is a negative factor, so one extra kid must be birthed for every troon existing.

Every person reaching the end of their fertility without having started a family nor having generated kids is a negative factor, so one extra kid must be birthed to fill their absence.

Every couple not having kids, either because of reproductive defects or by ideological idiocy, is a negative factor, so two extra kids must be birthed for every couple failure.

Every couple not managing to have enough kids because their house is too small and the prices of food are too high when compared to their income, is a negative factor, so extra kids must be birthed to cover for the absence of kids from those couples.

And so on for every time an human being failed in his duty to carry on the life of his cultural group, one extra kid must be birthed for every human failure, because any population can't just allow its failures to drag everyone down.

Every retard talking about "savin muh planet" and likely not going to have as many kids as their economic conditions would allow them to, is a negative factor, so one extra kid must be birthed for everyone of those retards

Interesting

Watch this next

https://youtu.be/znPJZK1lwaY

Here

>>13629724

>Were way above that requirement and have been for centuries.

I guess you have better data than everyone else in the world then

> I can go to any 3rd world country and buy a wife.

So you can't even read the line you're quoting, which speaks of "MOST" and "MODERN" societies. No one puts in doubt that some mostly rural jungle dweller in Indonesia will consider it a jackpot to get a free green card.

>>13629812

>maybe we won't, though

Look at the picture i put in OP. There is no avoid population collapse unless an absolutely massive tendency inversion happen, like all of China forcing all women to give birth yearly. That's extremely unlikely however.

> its the burden of every guy worth his salt to go out and produce 6+ offspring

it's simply impossible, also most guys won't sacrifice their lives to "pump kids" with women who already have 1 or 2.

You don't get TFR. TFR is 2.7 for survival when you consider ALL wombs as available. Every womb needs at least 2.7 kids to come out of it on average for the population to avoid extinction. A guy who has 6 kids with 3 women only gave those women a TFR of 2 in total. He needs those three women to produce at least 2.7x3, so 8.1 kids total. If you have 10 kids with 10 women, you still gave them a TFR of 1. If other men then avoid those women because they're single moms, you effectively ruined the national TFR, damaging your nation's fertility even as you produced 10 kids. Chads are race-killers. Chad behavior is biologically a racially suicidal behavior, because pump&dump behavior is.

The ONLY reproductively fit behavior young marriage, no divorce, and no birth control. Every single society with high populations and high historical fertiliy has practiced that behavior. All others didn't survive enough to appear in historical records.

>>13629825

it should be pointed out that some women may be used as wombs for hire, that way state will be able to "buy" kids on demand.

>>13629818

Finally, a response using rationality and critical thinking.

The OP thread is already easygoing. People don't get that after 20 years at a lot TFR, like Italy's 1.2, means you are going to HALVE the amount of available wombs in 20 years (approximately the fertile range of a woman). With half the available wombs (where we are today) even a TFR of 3 isn't enough to maintain a stable population. You need that 5.4 TFR for every woman, which as you note, would be 6 kids on average. Even millions of migrants don't change that trend. Millions of migrants replace the already missing workers today, not the loss of wombs. Migrant women who immigrate in a 1.2 TFR country do not maintain their native TFR, they take on the 1.2 that's given by local social conditions, unless you allow them to form colonies of only their own culture.

So with immigration or not, a TFR below 2.7-3 equals the collapse of your country.

All it takes is keeping a low TFR for 20 years, where you don't experience any negatives at all. In fact you get MORE workers, because families have less kids to occupy their time and both sexes work at lower wages. Then society starts preferring having less kids because they only see benefits to themselves from doing it. Employers squeeze families more because they can.

Then you have a slow trend inversion (where we are today) where you experience a modest worker shortage (10-15%), and then you have flat-out collapse, where worker shortages reach 50-60% in an increasingly shorter amount of time (next 10-15 years.) You can use migrants to pad 10-15% easily. 50-60% is impossible, especially if you're lookin for skilled workers. It's why every low TFR country wants to poach indian graduates as fast as possible.

>>13629818

In a country like the US you'd have to hire at least 50 million wombs to make a difference, for 20+ years of wages, medical, retirement… even the US government doesn't have that sort of cash flow. In fact they're cutting costs as we speak. It's never ever going to happen. All a government wanting to save the country can do is give out free land, free houses and loans for people to live semi-profitable rural lifestyles with remote jobs. Essentially you need communism on steroids or a collapse of institutions.

>>13629832

this was meant for >>13629827

Its not that women are broken… There just aren't any women around. The few that are not 2/10 or worse because of obesity are chased aggressively by all men making them have infinite value. This causes them to not be interested in a family and definitely not in children because of the horrors of obesity and single-mom-world. A good looking man who is in his early 40s, modestly wealthy, debt free and with assets and a nice lifestyle will find it nearly impossible to find a women to have some kids with in western countries. He will have scammers a-plenty trying to steal his money but there are no real wife-able women. No women who would be worthy mothers because when they are in their prime they are at the bar or bent over in a frat house somewhere. If there were lots of good women then they would be more reasonable because there is a bit of competition. There are no women. Thats the problem.

>>13629832

>or a collapse of institutions.

That's much more likely and preferable than the alternative

There is also a matter of housing to consider, big families ("big" by today standards which are flawed, so "normally sized families" by a more mentally sane worldview) require space for their kids, houses must be big enough to host a family of 6 kids or more.

But today houses, most of them, are built to only host 2 suckers and some pets, and less and less are built with a family in mind, most new houses and apartments don't have the space for the kids.

So to revert the tendency of suicidal birthrates, it would also be needed to raze 70% of the current housing lots, and to rebuild them to be bigger and with more room to host families of at least 6 kids for each house or apartment.

The immigrants are a non-problem, they all must go back to their nations, or be exterminated if they refuse to go back, no single nation in europe has "spare space" for immigrants, every space belongs to the people of the nation and of their current and future families.

Any bank or estate firm giving out living spaces to immigrants is a traitor of the nation and must be hanged, until the problem is resolved.

>>13629889

The (((architects))) designing the chicken sized houses must also be purged, all of the ones who ever designed an house with a capacity of less than 8 people, they all need a rope

>>13629482

And humans shouldn't go extinct because…….???

>13629966

If you want to waste your life, go ahead, but you don't speak for the lives of others

Humanity endures and thrives so long there are people enduring and thriving, you are just not one of them, at the very least don't be a burden to others

>>13629971

I wasn't speaking for the lives of others, just asking a question, which you avoided. Curious.

I'm in favor of the hag tax

>>13629971

Lovely Based

SARTH AFRIKKKAN REFUGEES

I visited SA in the 70s as a kid on holiday to visit family

KAFFIRS /NIGGERS knew there Place

I remember 2 week at my Uncles and he had too disciple the House gurls , he would take them to the outbuildings and give them a whipping if they were caught stealing , he used a sprinkbok two tailed whip ,

I was only 9yo ,

But in the big house I heard them screaming and welping ,

It really Got me switched on about

NEVER TRUST NIGGERS

My uncle was a sub manager at a Dutch owned gold mine .

when the COMMIE NIGNOGS tuck over he and my cousins got out and brought good property in the UK.

bump

In the end, it's really useless to listen to the reasonings of antinatalists, cause their beliefs are going to make sure they will breed themselves out of the human gene pool. So their words, are the words of people who won't exist in the future, words of nobodies.

If someone thinks instead it's right to have proper families, with 3 or more kids, then just act on that idea, those people and their descendants will continue to exist in the future.

There is no need to convince the antinatalists to start having proper families, the empty spaces those people will leave in society by the lack of their kids, those empty spaces will be filled by the people who will have a proper number of kids. People refusing to have kids are just giving up their space to exist inside humanity, that's all more free space for the people who will have kids.

The future belongs to those who endure and live up, to those who prepare the future for their kids, those who pass on the achievements of the previous generations towards the new generations.

This is true evolutive selection at work, a selection of normal thought winning over self-harming deviant thought.

Normalcy just wins the selection trial, or maybe it's the resistance to deviancy which also wins.

>>13629482

Boxed WINE stocks. Cat food FUTURES. MANUFACTURERS of tiny, tiny violins.

Total. Simp. Death.

Your entire race is literally enslaved.

If you talk about it the slavers will whip you into jail.

>>13632600

Oy vey, this is very antisemitic, aunnudah shoa!

Diversity and inclusivity is to help make evil white people less racist and easier to harvest by the system of masonic slavery and fiction contracting. Fellow whites, we must promote pitbulls into positions of prominence in golden retriever society to overcome past wrongs of semitic plantations and slave ship owners.

bump for a great future for the european people and their many children

>That means that for every woman that has 0 kids another needs to have 5.4 just to avoid extinction.

Either you didn’t bother to read beyond the headline of the link you provided or you’re too dumb to understand it.

>we need to maintain the current population

You don’t even bother trying to argue this point and simply assume it’s a given. The world is overpopulated.