a lot of crap, but it's too late to talk now
tomorrow
tyb, former baker here.
btw, wearethene.ws back online again
seems that the problem is that when formatting of notables if off, throws wearethene.ws off - and if its creator is not around, he can't fix the problem right away. Just one of those things.
better go sleep wow late....
first, let me say, i'm a baker, just so you know. my baker name was gyb now freebaker.
i bake every day and have co-taught the baking class on comms since Feb.
Class has been very successful - have a number of new bakers, and it also seems to revive the interest of many former bakers.
This has made covering the shifts easier than before, which is great for the board.
But from the start, we attracted shills.
All shills hate the kitchen, bc it's essential to keep the board open.
So it's always under attack.
Within a month of the new class, i began to notice things happening that i felt were at least partly due to our growing success.
Figured the opposition would continue to grow, but hard to anticipate the form is would take.
Changes:
One guy started hanging w/the bakers in baking class and bakers meta thread. Kept pushing the idea of changing the bread in multiple ways. We weren't too comfy with this as a kitchen, bc fast changes can be destabilizing. But he did manage to get some stuff in sneakily that had to be back out.
Soon after, WR fags got real active and started pushing hard for their stuff to be inthe dough more and more. When they didn't get what they wanted, they started creating dup bakes, even when Q was posting. We eventually developed a system whereby bakers would offer their bin before asking to bake, so that anons and bakers would both know it wasn't a WR fag. Worked pretty well until recently, but i' get to that in a minute.
In April, i was suddenly attacked by a newer baker OSS. Out of the blue. Instead of approaching me as a fellow baker and asking, hey why did you do this? his approach is to start massive spamming with red text and accusing me and several other bakers of various sins he thought we were guilty of. I managed to demonstrate that i did nothing wrong other than try to deal with a difficult situation where i got caught in the middle. But did so transparently, out in the open where all could see. So he apologized to me and the others, said he was burnt out. Left until July.
OSS returns:
OSS is a technically a highly competant baker. So when he returned in July, i tried to work with him. And for a while, things seemed ok. But he is a really suspicious guy and can never seem to just settle down and bake. Soon he was making fresh accusations, starting with a couple of new bakers who made new baker mistakes. Called em out as shills. Eventually, he ended up calling out just about everyone who's been baking except a couple who supported him.
He never did like Rusty the BO of comms. So he secretely approached @fj of /qr/ and arranged to have a new bakers thread stickied in /qr/ of his own. Then started saying that /qr/ was the only real board, all others were suspect - especially /comms/. Starting calling all the bakers who taught on comms or hung out there on /comm meta thread/ names, implying that they instead hang out on his new thread in /qr/.
But his new thread is anything but comfy! Big focus on finding "baker fuckery", routing out traitors in the kitchen. That's all he can see in people - their potential to lie, deceive and betray. https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/10756139.html
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Coup in the offing:
A few weeks ago, after criticizing others for sneaky behavior re putting stuff in the dough, he snuck his own new thread into the dough wo/asking anyone. Also made 2 other dough changes, 3 in all in 3 subsequent breads. An anon noticed and posted on it; so did i. Anons started demanding a response - but got no answer. I finally made a cap of the posts involved and posted it. He was not happy about that at all! Came at me with both barrels. Said he'd only done that to detect comp'd bakers and that he'd been planning to change the dough back all along. I was supposedly the target, kek.
Did an enormous amount of spamming over the next few days, saying i was comp'd and reviving the old spam from March, even tho i'd already addressed the concerns mentioned. Kept it up relentlessly. Started targeting others who went against him, always finding something to suggest they were 'traitors to the cause.' Shills noticed and started jumping on, creating greater momentum. So did a couple of new bakers with a paranoid streak. Long story short: he eventually managed to seize a bread from the signed in baker last week and to "hold onto" it bc of the number of shills on board with the new 'regime' (which is pretty dang negative). Although OSS has had a name since Jan, he became "anon" suddenly and started pushing an "all anon" agenda - and going against the idea of bins for bakers. Which would have been ok as a possible thing to discuss, but instead he just tried to make the bin idea look like it was done to create a "bakers union" - an old charge that's always cropping up in shill attacks. FJ made the same charge last year - in spades.
Right now:
At this point, OSS controls the breads. TRaditional bakers try to get them back, but he is a machine -can go up to 24 hours without a break. And generates constant spam against those who oppose him, which creates chaos and confusion for all. Most anons on QR aren't sure what is happening, just want a comfy board. They're caught in the middle. At the same time, the same bakers who have been here faithfully baking for years are now called "comms bakers" - which is meant as a total epithet. OSS even managed to push the idea that several bakers were involved in posting a letter bomb threat, even tho there is zero evidence to suggest they were at all connected with that post. Accused me of being part of it coz i'm an BV on comms, where the planning was supposedly done.
This whole thing is completely false. But it's also a GLOBAL NOTABLE in /qr/, much to my shame and sorrow. The new anon bakers won't post the refutation - even after was was nommed notable. They just mock it as the product of a comp'd baker. Anyone who disagrees with them gets ridiculed and beaten down. Try it - you'll attract a raft of shills.
So that in my opinion is where we're at right now. QRB may also become a target because it's not QR. Anything off-site is vulnerable. I will post my analysis of the letter bomb situation below, if anyone is interested.
Town hall:
So the current situation is not great imo. But here is something that may help:we are having a LIVE TOWN HALL this Thurdays at 7pm in Comms- https://8kun.top/comms/res/31575.html#q31575. It's says Baking Seminar #25, but this week, we'll just be talking. Purpose is to give bakers and anons to come together and just talk. Look at how baking started out on /qr/ and how it's changed since we started. Anyone interested is welcome to check it out.
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hahaha....
d'ya really think that helmet will help??
see the nice piece i wrote.
have to decide what else to do with it if anything.
sure it will come in handy sometime.
drop me a line if ya wanna chat some more. always good to hang out w/frens.
>>42715
Beloved friends and colleagues
/qresearch/ is under severe attack by traitor baker OSS. Situation reminds me much of the situation that prevailed when BO @fj seized the board on July 11 2019. Since he asked for and got a stickied thread for his creepy "bakers lounge" from that BO, and it appears they have back channel comms, I am guessing they are either working together or at the very least, that BO is tacitly helping him because he is anti-baker - as is @fj (and always has been).
I've always felt /qrb/ had a further role to play but didn't know what. This may again become the place to which anons come, in search of a board where they can post in peace, wo/someone constantly attacking their every move.
/comms/ is also under severe attack, all traditional bakers are now called "Comms bakers" and OSS claims we are all shills - the whole damn kitchen. Spies on us constantly and takes comments out of context to "prove" we are shills, which is a load of crap. and when we try to find a place to talk away from his prying eyes, condemns that as well.
I have had to start banning certain IPs - probably all either OSS or OSS shills - on comms because they try to invade and make the bakers meta thread real uncomfy. BO Rusty hever stood for that and neither do. BO, I don't know who you are but you seem to be the decent sort. So this is just a heads up. OSS often attacks any site that's not /qresearch/ on the pretext that other sites are trying to undermine /qresearch/ and thus Q. So you may be next.
I was one of the main bakers here in summer 2019 and then baked from Nov - Feb, and late thru May. Just when it looked like 8bit was gonna shut this down, new BO and baker stepped in to keep it going. Good time to make sure everything is up to date, just in case. Can give you some updated "learn to baker" links if you want for the dough, not now, gotta go, but soon. I now function as more or less a standin for BO Rusty at /comms/ and i will defend that board as best I can until Rusty is back.
Please let me know if you have any questions and be prepared for an influx of more anons, coz that may well happen at some point, When Q said no outside comms, he meant for him not for us. We can work anywhere. We did work here last, and were very productive as a board. We can do it again if necessary.
Blessings /qrb/ BO, Baker and ANONS. Shadilay for now.
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baker Freebaker formerly Graveyard Baker
P. S. Take a listen. Jim Watkins is talking about "moving over to the bunker" - the bunker is /qrb/ i believe" (just at the start)
https://tora3.com/video/7dcc8dbf20342e7be8a25384ad846f79
just posted this last night - 4 of 5 responses were from nasty shills. tells me that /qresearch/ is literally overrun by them right now, since this is a pretty positive post.
SOME THOUGHTS ON BAKING
i'm writing this in hopes of clearing up some of the q's that have arisen recently about baking here on /qr/. At least, from one anon's pov.
What is Baking?
Baking is how new Qresearch threads get created and old ones are compacted to make room for the new. Bakers also collected notables, work with the info upfront (the dough), and help new bakers learn how to bake. It's a challenging job that few anons want to do. But to those who do bake, it's something of a calling. Once you start, it's hard to stop.
Why I Bake and How I Got Started
I never wanted to bake. But when the night baker was suddenly called away, there were times when there was nobody to bake and anons would try to do it on the fly. Sometimes there were five breads. After a couple of weeks of this, i got tired of watching it go down. But baking was really scary, even after a lot of practice. Had to be pushed to go live. Was embarrassed countless times by mistakes. But gradually, it grew on me. One day, i realized i actually loved to bake.
Baking is a Tough Job
Why baking is a challenge:
* there's just no way to regular bread speed, which is determined by the number of posts that appear per minute. In a very fast bread, there can be as many as 30 -50 posts per minute, which makes it tough for bakers to keep up
* notables are tough, bc the baker must notice it, read it, evaluate its merits, check the date, check to see whether previously notabled, and that it's 'sauced' (includes a link to a legit source).
* the tasks are diverse - they require lots of different skills: multi-tasking, ignoring distractions, answering questions, staying aware of post count, listing notables, do housekeeping, links breads, and handoffs to a new baker.
* bakers are always running into little "surprises": board lags/hiccoughs/freezes, error messages, inconvenient captchas, etc.
* there are constant attacks on the kitchen. Some are personal. Requires a pretty steady hand to deal with that.
Never Enough Bakers
There are never really enough bakers to fill the demand for 24/7 coverage. It's a burnout job for many. While new bakers arrive, old ones leave. Sometimes there are only about 6-8 regular bakers.
Baker Names
Covering the board is really hard. Makes it easier when bakers know each other a little. So regular bakers find 'name fagging' helpful. Both to resolve problems and create rapport, coz it's important to have each others' six.
Anon Bakers vs Named Bakers
Why are names such a problem? i don't get it. Most of us like to be anon when we aren't baking. It's peaceful. But we also like to check in with other bakers in case they need help.
Anonymity and the Baking Function
Baking is social. It's like a relay race where each baker "carrying the flame" for his own bake passes the torch the next baker. We try not to drop the torch, espec when Q might post. So we need to talk sometimes, so we can keep the breads going.
How Named Bins Promote Transparency/Responsibility
There's another advantage to baker names: they promote transparency. Anons can see who's baking upfront. I think they like this. I'm always surprised on pastebin so see so many anons check out my bin in a short time. Why else would they do this than to see who the baker is?
How Recent Bin System Got Started
The system of asking bakers to present their pastebin/qanonbin began last Spring after certain groups (WR fags) started taking bakes in order to put stuff in the dough that did not belong there, based on anon consensus. An anonymous WR baker would take the bake and make unwanted changes. Next baker would have to unmake them. When they didn't get their way, WR fags would sometimes split the bake, even when Q was posting. This became a big problem. That's how the "upfront bin presentation" came to be used: to prevent WR fags and shill bakers from making mischief with the dough.
Bin System Details
It worked mainly because by that time, most regular bakers were always using baker names. Also, they began using qanonbin (not pastebin) in June, as pastebin became more and more unfriendly to anything Q-related. Baker developed qbin as an alternative. There, a baker never has to use a baker name, just a, UID associated with his bakes based on hashed ID. This lets him build up a track record of his bakes (or practice bakes).
Bin System Criticized coz 'Anyone can bake'
Recently, the bin system has come under attack. The argument goes like this: In QResearch, we say that "anyone can bake." But if an anon must present a bin upfront, then this can't be true, because only those able to present a bin will receive a handoff. This limits the freedom of anons to bake.
But can anyone REALLY bake?
Nope - not right away. The idea that 'anyone can bake' really means that 'anyone is welcome to learn how to bake.''' It takes time and skill to bake. It's ridiculous to say that bakers should hand over a bake to a total beginner, just coz he wants it (and "wants it NOW"). What's gonna happen if he gets the bake, espec in during a busy shift? Next baker's gonna have a mess on his hands.
Bakers who wanna bake have to learn how first
Anyone who wants to learn how to bake has plenty of chances to do it. Just not on a LIVE board. The "power to the people" model of baking just doesn't work. /Comms/ offer a place to do practice baking. But is an anon doesn't want to use it, he can apply to get his own board and practice bake there. Or he can ask the BO at /qrb/ if he can practice bake on that board. But what he can't - or shouldn't - do is to demand to practice on a LIVE qresearch bake. Because Qresearch is where Q posts. And Q deserves better than that.
Who really wants beginners and completely unknown bakers in the kitchen?
Three guesses anons - and the first two don't count. I think there's really only one group that benefits from some kind of radically revisionist model of baking. And that is the same group that benefits from division fagging of all kinds. So excuse me if I don't buy the arguments that "anyone can bake" and "you gotta hand over the dough to anyone who asks." Didn't work when @FJ had "anons only" notables. Not so great for "anons only" baking imo.
Most bakers on this board love to bake. And they love to bake for Q and for anons too. Kitch ain't perfect and bakers can be stubborn and uncooperative at times. Sorry about that, but it's not a perfect world. But to throw the baby out with the bathwater - is that what most anons really want? Do ya'll really think that the regular baking crew are total faggots? I sure hope not. Godspeed anons, WRWY.
When OSS first started baking last winter, anons asked "Why OSS?" Strange name for a baker. Now i believe he adoped that name the way the DS females where certain forms of jewelry that telegraph who and what they are. Read this article excerpt and judge for yourself.
Tavistock and the OSS
Tavistock - The Best Kept Secret In America
Source: CTRL http://ctrl.org
TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE
30 Tabernacle Street
London EC2A 4DD
Formed in 1947, the Tavistock Institute is an independent not-for-profit organization which seeks to combine research in the social sciences with professional practice. Problems of institution-building and organizational design and change are being tackled in all sectors - government, industry and commerce, health and welfare, education, etc. - nationally and internationally, and clients range from multinationals to small community groups. A growth area has been the use of a developmental approach to evaluation of new and experimental programs, particularly in health, education and community development. This has also produced new training events alongside the regular program of group relations conferences. The Institute owns and edits the monthly journal Human Relations (published by Plenum Press) which is now in its 48th year, and has recently launched (in conjunction with Sage Publications) a new journal Evaluation.
The ideology of American foundations was created by the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations in London. In 1921, the Duke of Bedford, Marquess of Tavistock, the 11th Duke, gave a building to the Institute to study the effect of shellshock on British soldiers who survived World War I. Its purpose was to establish the "breaking point" of men under stress, under the direction of the British Army Bureau of Psychological Warfare, commanded by Sir John Rawlings-Reese.
Tavistock Institute is headquartered in London. Its prophet, Sigmond Freud, settled in Maresfield Gardens when he moved to England. He was given a mansion by Princess Bonaparte. Tavistock's pioneer work in behavioral science along Freudian lines of "controlling" humans established it as the world center of foundation ideology. Its network now extends from the University of Sussex to the U.S. through the Stanford Research Institute, Esalen, MIT, Hudson Institute, Heritage Foundation, Center of Strategic and International Studies at Georgetown, where State Dept. personal are trained, US Air Force Intelligence, and the Rand and Mitre corporations. The personnel of the corporations are required to undergo indoctrination at one or more of these Tavistock controlled institutions. A network of secret groups, the Mont Pelerin Society, Trilateral Commission, Ditchley Foundation, and the Club of Rome is conduit for instructions to the Tavistock network.
Tavistock Institute developed the mass brain-washing techniques which were first used experimentally on American prisoners of war in Korea. Its experiments in crowd control methods have been widely used on the American public, a surreptitious but nevertheless outrageous assault on human freedom by modifying individual behavior through topical psychology. A German refugee, Kurt Lewin, became director of Tavistock in 1932. He came to the U.S. in 1933 as a "refugee", the first of many infiltrators, and set up the Harvard Psychology Clinic, which originated the propaganda campaign to turn the American public against Germany and involve us in World War II. In 1938, Roosevelt executed a secret agreement with Churchill which in effect ceded U.S. sovereignty to England, because it agreed to let Special Operations Executive control U.S. policies.
To implement this agreement, Roosevelt sent General Donovan to London for indoctrination before setting upOSS(now the CIA) under the aegis of SOE-SIS'''.
The entire OSS program, as well as the CIA has always worked on guidelines set up by the Tavistock Institute.
No wonder OSS has now abandoned his former monicker.
https://transformation.dk/www.raven1.net/mcf/tavistock.htm
BO
would appreciate your opinion about the OSS situation and what, if anything, you think /qrb/ to help it.
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freebaker
>>>/qresearch/11066502, >>>/qresearch/11066540
posted on qr but there is no baker there. And few if any of us bakers will bake right now because OSS just destroys the dough we reconstruct when he bakes or uses help from mgmt to steal the bake. SO hope there are still enough anons here who like to dig!!
On the lastest Q and the GLOBAL DISINFORMATION NETWORK
i have extensive relevant info on this
Dug on it for MONTHS starting with Alabama Senate Race scandal in Dec 2018 - out of which two of us started to develop amodel of the global disinformation network
Some was in the Information Warfare thread:
Thread was deleted against my strong objections in Qresearch (and why i will NEVER put any threads on Qresearch board)
But it still exists in this archive (first 20 pages - KEY): http://archive.fo/BbMxh
entire archive: https://archive.fo/E0oJm
But there is more relevant info in the /qrb/ Information Warfare II thread, which can be found here:
https://8kun.top/qrb/res/22979.html
See that thread for diggs on Melanie Smith and Joan Donovan, among other individuals/orgs involved in the global information network. See below.
MORE ON THE GLOBAL DISINFORMATION NETWORK:
Here is one of the versions of the disinfo network developed by my dig partner: https://8kun.top/qrb/res/22979.html#q23090
i have one too although his is more complete: https://8kun.top/qrb/res/22979.html#q42760
(had to reproduce it coz the original is 404'd - wish i knew how that happened)
However i started adding more pieces here involving Atlantic Council, the UN, and others:
https://media.8kun.top/file_store/144eff0b94df02e7be98dbe45572f4778e28e060b21bcbadfbf718b35f077ecc.pdf
That model is a WORK IN PROGRESS
HERE: Here is stuff on Grafika & Melanie Smith:
https://8kun.top/qrb/res/22979.html#40581
https://8kun.top/qrb/res/22979.html#q40582
And on Joan Donovan:
https://8kun.top/qrb/res/22979.html#q41676
And there is much, much more:
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in the Information Warfare /qrb/ thread and Information Warfare I archive
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in text form in qresear.ch, MANY digs (50-100). There are ALL KINDS OF CONNECTIONS to be dug on!!
please post on the Information Warfare thread II and expand the database
We are are all sick of this situation, bakers especially. But OSS is in control with help from shills and at lesat some support from FJ. If regular bakers reconstitute the dough properly, OSS just rips out the changes and reverts to a version some unknown number of breads back.
Until now, bakers had been periodically 'rescuing' the bake, but that doesn't work. So now we are now just standing down, letting things alone. (OSS keeps saying anons should bake, so we are letting them - if they can and will.)
THIS IS WHY I AM POSTING DIGS HERE as well as QR, EVEN ONES THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE.
We do what we can.....
Pray.
-frb
may be more here than meets the eye, but cannot see it at the moment. Would like to talk more, your opinion is greatly valued.
"Success is how high you bounce when you hit bottom."