>>90026

nope

There was a flyover.. that was the plane sound

and an explosion

The body's hitting the from jumpers?

Likely, but...

How would you hear that from across the River?

The reason we know it's not hologram is because the trajectories don't match.

Also, in reality there are no visual plane sighter. I know. I canvassed the area for year.

You can't find 'em cause they are not there.

Many people will TELL YOU they saw "the plane" but if you question / examine them more closely you will find they did not.

Think of they analogy.

Just as people swear there a killer virus and don't realize it's the vax.

They swear

"I believe I saw Planes Hit the Towers"

>>90154

That's PB

The reason we know it's not hologram is because the trajectories don't match.

Perps spent a lot of money convincing people otherwise using computer simulations.

(They know this is the best evidence, their weakest point, much like the canvassing on the vote just cuts through the BS)

A guy did a whole tour around it Mr. Expert Profession using computer simulations to fool people.

Truly it's the astronomers that cracked that one. But anyone who studies the originals closely for any length of time will see the same thing - will come to the same conclusion.

Also, in reality there are no visual plane sighters. I know. I canvassed the area for at least one year.

Unfortunately I neglected to takes names and record for the record. But the truth doesn't change. I'm sick of arguing. It can still be done. People who believe, will believe; likely no matter what the evidence.. There's always some lame excuse?

Surprising to some people, the result.

Someone might call me up

"I found someone who saw the plane. My hairdresser"

What's his name / number ?

Call him up?

"oh yes, I saw the plane hit the Tower"

Where were you?

83rd st.

"How'd you see it from there?

"I saw it on TV

We had scouts go to popular bars downtown. Everyone was surprised when no one could be found.. Everyone believed "Thousands of people saw it happen"

Sorta like they believe hospitals are overflowing with patients, when there's photo evidence of empty hospitals?

There's a ton of paid liars,

Another group I call Munchausen - they love to be the "I was there" plus the attention fame of that? And maybe believe their own fantasies?

Then you have the assholes who think you're insane and just make-up shit to fuck with you.

"My brother was in the Plane and jumped off at the last minute" "My wife died there, what will you say to me.. I know."

etc. etc.. I 'm so fucking tired of this FRUIT LOOP - We've known for 15 + years.

Think how you would feel 15 years from now still , should people be arguing " is the "virus" covid the flu or not?"

nnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooo

>>9685

https://endchan.net/qrbunker/res/9561.html

>>90156

vid is embedded here.

>>90156

>Also, in reality there are no visual plane sighters. I know. I canvassed the area for at least one year.

Also, I spoke to a top nyc Research Doctor in Opthamology/

If the object was going the speed claimed (PS impossible that close to the water / sea level)

IF>>>that could even be so, and it's not;

it's too fast for the eye to catch.

I don't tell more since I 'd rather keep potential liars innocent of what details I've learned.

Some may have seen my posting many times over the years in rt to the "hologramfags" asking how the audio would have been technically accomplished with no valid theories EVER returned... (even BV recently jumps on my ass and permabans me a few days later -for posting a bunker link that was already in the dough. so that says a lot about BV over there - the link was his excuse!)

>>90026 Just the dudes (anons) word that it was the "same audio"

An audio expert, who examined the tapes of Nixon, did a forensic examination of the audio of the amateur plane vids, the screaming was from a studio.

We had a audio fag from England compare various Naudet Bros vid.. The audio changed over time.. They revved it up.

The proof is out there, even though taken down from YouTube 15 years ago.

So the alleged witness heard the sound and it matched what sound, from which amateur vid? from which video clip of the alleged event.?

Octopus 9/11 scrapbook DEW

https://tora3.com/video/948057c05ed6ce5ee7a9691c87092f77

>>90158

point is there a lack of a single audio file which can be compared to the what the believer thinks he heard.

But we do have audios that contradict each other. How would alleged witness explain that?

"I was just across the Hudson on 9-11-01 and this is personal to me because I witnessed the second plane hit watching from atop a roof, and we all HEARD the plane and the impact, which throws a wrench in the narrative. (that sound matching that which was also recorded on video was heard live- key point.)"

>>0026 pb

>>90058

>>90058

>>90026

Sorry I apologize, please forgive, I made a mistake. anon who heard the bodies was different person from one on the roof across the Hudson.

Many people saw the explosion and from that made their claim "I saw the plane hit the Tower" when in fact they never saw the "plane" except from on TV where there was 3 full days of "many planes hitting many Towers" over and over and over and over.

>>90159

I totally believe about the "jumpers"

Dr Judy Wood made a perfect solution, IMO, as to why that happened (why didn't they go down with the Tower? Why were they pulling off their clothes? Why had they wet themselves with water? Why didn't they wait to see if they could be rescued?

Disguesting Norweigan - Italian disinfo artist who has quite a following on the CGI TV Video Fakery beat, claimed the Jumpers were CGI.. Also claimed the Tower was empty and no one died. Dudes brother does race car driving sponsored by bin Ladens.

Same move; Put out great info then discredit yourself and viciously attack/ ban anyone who disagrees.

Kinda like what Dirty Onion did to ruin QR

"Meet Edna Cintron" short vid by The Webfairy

https://tora3.com/video/e595e34aba2018c9fb8c70ee0c9dd92c

Claimed the woman waving from the plane shaped hole was CGI

They had to clamp down on that one hard.

Shows fires were out, fires burned out before Tower disappeared.

>>90161

anon found a good witness for the jumpers.

A solid witness.

Dr. Judy Wood also says she found a large number of witneses to that.

Most won't speak about it much because of the trauma; kinda like Vietnam vets who refrain from speaking about it. Or Iraq vets.

Who shuld I believe? My good witness and Dr Judy Wood 's numerous cited witnesses (she interviewed fire dept. an police from the scene) (even though she sometimes believes witnesses who I would call without credibility in other cases)

Even so, who would I believe, Simon ~Hynton "Shack" - musician, who smeared and attacked and banned anyone who questioned him (much like Dirty Onion) or Dr. Judy Wood, most qualified material forensics expert and Professor of materials engineering who did a great work in her book "Where did the Towers Go?" a Professional College level instructor?

Some idiot Simon Shack followers go around the idea that dummies were thrown off the Towers to simulate jumpers.. Same crowd who claim the Towers were empty. AS IF New World Order types would be so careful to refrain from killing anyone?

That's even some people's argument

"They wouldn't kill white professionals"

Got that one wrong.

Shack's got his own followers terrified of being banned by him. Another analogy to Dirty filthy onion.

Future Combat System/ this is Media integration with warfare; Beta Test? 9-11

https://tora3.com/video/e297e0e621041fd50704d2757e8bbcd4

>>90163

well D'uh R.F. Kennedy jr. wrote the definitely book on this 20 years ago.

Thought it would end the question.

Complete data, complete proof.

anon even read the book back then

>>90175

who said "relef" and "pleasure"

certainly not Dr. Judy Wood

Do you have a citation for that

>>90173

cause they were being tortured by whatever turned the building to dust in 10 secondds.

If you want to argue her work with me, go right ahead. I have the book right near my desk.

>>90169

Did you read her book.

Or do you just like to quote out of context?

>>90169

Shack said they threw dummies off the Towers. Is that more credible?

>>90172

You think it's plausible that no one was in the Towers.

Shack lives in Italy.. How would he know?

There were people working in there.

anon has photos.

People went as tourists

You could see masses of people flowing out of the Towers every day

What a joke.

right, Shack is so credible.. That's why he bans people from his site?

Well would that prove he was 100% correct? Just like Biden and Dirty Onion, dis-allows questions or discussion?

Like the vax pushers.

Doesn't that prove he's credible? Well doesn't it?

And when held up to the Sun the Towers were transparent according to people who put this shit, using one photo...

really

You know, anything is possible

But people believe any shit.

People will believe anything

>>9642

https://endchan.net/qrbunker/res/9561.html

people will believe anything especially from a truther leader like Jones or Shack

Because you know, they are all about the truth.

Well, aren't they?

"Those you trust the most"

As "Jones" said (inversion, accusing others of it) "they get your trust then lead you astray "~ to paraphrase

Talking about himself.

>>9642

https://endchan.net/qrbunker/res/9561.html

image of the Tower in Construction

very flimsy, well isn't it?

See - thru I 'm sure. like tissue paper

Could be knocked over with Casper the Ghost, that's how flimsy.

That's why architect and builder said it could withstand a hit by a large aircraft such as what allegedly hit it.

Does "Alex Jones" Deserve Affection for 9/11 TRUTH Reveal?

https://tora3.com/video/515ff391977cf12d3e4663ced95be6a6

Jones had to kill the CGI evidence right away, because it's the best evidence.

Just as he killed Sandy Hook Hoax

Tried to kill Q research cred

>>90193

Did you do on the ground research in NYC at the time?

"You try to shame me for thinking about the fake news being total fake news?"

Can you clarify?

I have little idea of what you are trying to say.

OH yeah, There's nuance. Have you heard of that? Live in your phantasy world, why would I care? Is that what you are saying?

How would I shame you? That's insane.

>>9686

Flmsy as tissue paper; can't you tell?

https://endchan.net/qrbunker/res/9561.html

Click on this one to get a full idea of the scale.

Mind Control Victims

https://tora3.com/video/a643075fec24563ba813d43de2d418f8

>>90193

Photos do prove many things.

Sorry

If I show the photo and the date maybe you can prove why it's faked. And why you know that

Photos are forensic evidence; that's why they are forged.

Shack and his team hate America

That's why they work for the perps and confuse people with their BS and their bullying.

APACHE; We the People are more Numerous,,,,

https://tora3.com/video/22557937146c954644d035ebcf1e4370

>>90195

Right a lot of photos are faked

When did you learn about the explosions

kekkkekkkkkek

That news is so old my fridgerator was new when I first learned it.

Like, the day of the event.

anon lives in NYC

kek

>>90199

They probably faked the photos so they could claim there were no jumpers

>>90200

maybe "stockholm syndrome" was some kind of cover.

USA had upper hand and gave it away..

Stockholm syndrome is when someone is a captive.

Are they trying to imply Bidan was a captive of the Taliban?

He's certainly one of China cf Hunter's laptop.

Think positive.. As soon as the Foreign interference aspect of the stolen 2020 election gets positively and officially verified... doesn't some law kick in?

Wonder how many of our military will have gone AWOL by then

Didn't the Colonel who asked for answers from his superiors and then quit - ? Didn't he say

"join me and let's get back at them" or somesuch?

Is he in hiding?

https://tora3.com/video/fa2002d2b56d609d85bd35fdbab385dd

Bidan brags about the theft.

kekke

>>90202

no Simon Shack is a Norwegian who lives in Italy.

Why would I expect him to love America

He doesnt' .. He's a shill

I can't help that.

I won't lie and say he's a good man.

Do you really believe I don't know about Crisis actors.

Why would you think that?

kekkkkkekkkekk

https://tora3.com/video/87128e7de1eeb36e27b5e5448c260a92

Charlie Hebdo? French are less DeadPan when acting?

>>90205

What is your point about the jumpers.?

Are you claiming there were none

A video doesn't prove it one way or the other.

>>90205

What is the point of the videos?

Can you summarize?

>>90210

Exactly. Shack is the one who claims it was CGI

We count Shack as a shill - for more than one reason

And Edna Cintron; a real person, who stood in the plane shaped hole, waving for help.

>>90161

I have found a good witness for the jumpers. As I explained.

>>90213

you aren't making sense.

once again.

What does photo fakery have to do with crisis actors.

One is people on film i.e. 3d

The other is d3 image

I'm starting to think you are a pest.

deliberate.

>>90219

I was replying to two posts there.

not just to myself.

why do you lie?

What difference does it make if I reply to myself, anyway?

>>90218

Watching live means the person was there.

Certainly the heli pilots saw it.

It was broadcast on German TV and the stills of her are part of the NIST official record.

>>90218

P.S.

there was more people there than just Edna.. Other photos show others there too

The vid just concentrated on Edna

>>90214

ok now you prove yourself

saying I' m a bot

Go back to QR

You're unfamiliar with the Turing Test too?

>>90213

Why claim I wrote things I didn't write

When do you thnk we discovered the Mark Dude at GZ TV on 9/11

were you even weaned by then?

kekkkekk

>>90226

I have no need or requirement to answer your questions.

You are hostile, asking hostile questions

Especially if you are ever stopped by police one should recall, you are under no obligation to answer any question; hostile or not - but especially hostile ones.

And you actually believe you have the right to demand an answer from me?

WRONG

Same ol modus operandi as from half chan

One doesn't even usually see that move on 8kun qresearch.. - except occasionally by stupid newbies. No one bothers.

It's more professional; advanced for the q researchers. Never hostile.. We're frens.

We are the advanced class.

We figure things out for ourselves.

We are anon. therefor our personal cred is irrelevant.. Only the material we bring forward is of potential note.

You are what we used to name "Fruit Looper'"

Now you remind me of it I'll bring up Holmgren's essay on the subject for the thread anon begun on End, Related to everything 9/11, in honor of the twenty years.

>>90169

The point Dr. Wood made, (and if you read her relevant passages you would know that,) (but you don't, you just want to attack her; even though she's done the best work of anyone on the total forensic picture, and done it as a patient teacher would. Much more patient than I.)

If you want the answers you should go read her book.. Start there. maybe in 10 or 20 years you can catch up with the tens of thousands of hours I've put on this subject.

Dr. Woods point about the objects one would take along on a suicide jump?

The jump was not premeditated, without "knowledge aforethought," it was done spontaneously. Rushed.

There was no active fire. Fires were almost out and restricted certain floors only.

Relates to the many questions she had about what she observed; as I listed above.

The fact someone has come on here to attack Judy Wood's work and attack me, in this little obscure corner of the Internets?

Sorta verifies "over the target"

SOover the target.

Pop Syncs. Woo Who is Baphomet?

https://tora3.com/video/ae32ad148ef2e928da9c3d0dc2a4a4eb

>>90247

>>90247

Dude is annoying.

Needs to study more first

I refuse to spoon feed, especially when someone is hostile.

"THE TRUTH ABOUT TRUTHLINGS THE 9/11 DOUBLETHINK MOVEMENT

THE TRUTH ABOUT TRUTHLINGS

THE 9/11 DOUBLETHINK MOVEMENT

© Gerard Holmgren:Nov 7 2006. This article or any part of it may not be reproduced without express permission from the author in writing. This prohibition excludes quotation for reasonable reference purposes, providing that the article is linked to.

What is a "truthling" ?

A truthling is a person who subscribes to a strange religious cult calling itself the "911 truth movement ".

Superficially, there may appear to be nothing strange about the idea of a truth movement in relation to the events of Sept 11. Anybody who has looked critically at the events of that day can see that the official story is a lie.

So it is to be expected that despite some disagreement about the details of exactly what happened, many people would find broad agreement in the idea that the truth of the event should be sought out by researchers to the best of their ability and then that research promoted to the wider community by activists with an interest in the truth. One would expect some healthy debate and diversity in relation to some specific points of research.

The reality of the situation is somewhat different. If you search around the web for "911 truth movement" you'll find a lot of talk about "truth" and a lot about the "movement", but most of this talk has little to with either researching the subject or promoting, or critically analyzing the research which has been done. If the "9/11 truth movement " isn't about this, then exactly what is it about ?

That question is the subject of this article.

OBSTRUCTING THE TRUTH

A lot of good research has been done, but hardly any of the authors of this research want to be associated with any such movement, because it's primary motive appears to be to obstruct any real understanding of what happened that day and at a deeper level, to abolish the fundamental concept of truth.

Let's begin with the first objective identified above. Obstructing the truth about Sept 11.

To analogize: Who is it who talks most about "peace, freedom and democracy"? The very people who are in reality the most obvious enemies of such practices. People like Condoleezza Rice, George W. Bush and Tony Blair.

When a person's primary occupation is committing terrorism and mass murder, starting wars, and dismantling civil liberties, then of course they are going to package it with the labels of "peace, freedom and democracy". You don't expect them to openly proclaim themselves as warmongers, terrorists, murderers and practitioners of totalitarianism. The fact that they are guilty of such crimes means that they need to shout the rhetoric of "peace" etc louder than anyone else.

Of course, some people buy their propaganda and some do not, although this question is better visualized as a graduated range of responses rather than a simple yes or no. Naturally, those who - in broad terms -do not buy the cover rhetoric, have reactions which - quite justifiably- range from unease to outrage.

And of course, the outrage levels are highest amongst those who believe or at least suspect that the Govt was at least complicit or involved in some way in the events of Sept 11.

The nausea invoked by the actions of these criminals and the lies of the media which support them can easily blind one into thinking that anyone who spouts rhetoric purporting to expose these lies must be genuinely involved in the pursuit and promotion of "truth".

Unfortunately it isn't that simple. In general, those who trumpet the term "truth" most often and most enthusiastically are actually the worst liars , just as Bush, Blair, Rice et al find it necessary to spout rhetoric about "peace, freedom and democracy" as a cover for the fact that they are some of the worst enemies of such pursuits.

This is what the "9/11 truth movement" is all about. Telling whoppers, packaging them with the label of "9/11 truth", and selling the package by exploiting the understandable knee jerk reaction of many people that anyone who is calling the official Sept 11 story a lie must be working for the truth."

https://fullten.blogspot.com/2010/06/truth-about-truthlings-911-doublethink.html