Anonymous ID: f70f7a July 21, 2020, 5:50 a.m. No.10031363   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1377 >>1389

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Tell me the truth!” the world shouts, but what is really meant is, “Tell me what I want to hear!”

 

Years ago, I was witnessing to a Jewish man highly placed in the Jewish community nationally, as well as in his local synagogue. I had discussed Christ with him over several years. During this particular conversation, I sensed that he was seriously considering Jesus Christ as the King of the Jews. I told him the day that he closed his mind to the wooing of the Holy Ghost, as a result of his fear of the loss of status in the Jewish community and being thrown out of the synagogue, would be the day of his doom.

 

Many sit in congregations which they know are not embracing the whole truth. They are afraid to acknowledge the obvious truth for fear of being frowned upon and ostracized.

 

Several decades ago, I sat in on a huge doctrinal debate. The pastor presiding over the affair asked a particular deacon in the congregation, “What do you think, brother?”

 

The deacon answered, “I believe what you believe.” He didn’t have the foggiest idea of what was in the balances. In the deacon’s case, he was willing to follow the leadership’s position without a serious, personal investigation of the issue.

 

Are you free to believe all that you find written in the Word of God? Are you willing to follow the truth, regardless of the consequences? Typically, one’s answer to this question is “Yes.” But be certain that entrance to the gates of truth is not casually or even easily attained.

 

The issue we’ll examine in this series is one of, if not the most polarizing doctrines of the Word of God. GodSaidManSaid understands that we will become the enemy of many for declaring the Scriptural position on this matter, but the message is too foundationally critical to neglect. Galatians 4:16 comes to mind:

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

First, let it be known, as has been recited on this website many times, GodSaidManSaid has no denominational affiliation. Denomination, by definition, means “division.” Jesus Christ created the Body of Christ, which fully transcends religious organizations founded only partially on the Word of God.

 

Several decades ago, a particular congregation of a particular denomination challenged our small country fellowship to a debate. They were rather feisty and told one young brother, through which the challenge came, that they were going to straighten out his pastor’s doctrinal errors. I told the brethren that went with me to the debate that only three things could result from the meeting, and in each regard we would be successful. (1.) They, through the Scriptures, would show us our doctrinal errors and we would immediately conform. (2.) We, through the Scriptures, would show them their doctrinal errors. Or (3.), a combination of one and two. When the confident challengers entered the room, their leader presented a stack of a dozen books or so. We arrived with only one book in hand—the Bible.

 

Armed with their helps and aids, the challengers immediately attempted to take authority of the proceedings—at least until two basic questions were asked: (1.) Can we agree that, on the grounds of age, scholarship, geography, and weight of extant (existing) documents that the Authorized King James Version is the unquestioned authority? They answered “Yes.” (2.) Will you agree that no doctrine will be presented for consideration unless it can be fully supported in the Bible with chapter and verse? They answered “Yes.” One brother from our camp correctly deduced that all books except for the Bible had been eliminated.

 

This is “Part One” in a four-part series on the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. The Scriptures alone will be the authority. In this series, we will address the following 10 questions:

  1. What is the first commandment Christ gives His church?

  2. Are people automatically baptized with the Holy Ghost the day they are saved?

  3. How did the saints of old get baptized with the Holy Ghost?

  4. How did the Apostles recognize one who was baptized with the Holy Ghost?

  5. What is the purpose of the Baptism with the Holy Ghost?

  6. Do Christians get baptized with the Holy Ghost today?

  7. Were the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, gifts of the spirit, and miracles only for the days of the Apostles?

  8. Do the Baptism with the Holy Ghost and the nine gifts of the Spirit serve separate functions?

  9. Is speaking with new tongues a phenomenon that began in 1906? Is that which is perfect already come (I Corinthians 13:10)?

  10. How can a Christian receive the Baptism with the Holy Ghost today?

If you intend to participate in this series, you will need a copy of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible. If you don’t have a KJV, click on to Genesis Networks on the web. Prepare for supernatural dynamics.

 

>>> GO TO “Holy Ghost (Part Two)”

Anonymous ID: f70f7a July 21, 2020, 5:51 a.m. No.10031372   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1394

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The Baptism with the Holy Ghost with signs and wonders following—is it for today? Speaking in unknown tongues, laying hands on the sick, casting out devils, the nine supernatural gifts of the Spirit—are these things for today? What is the truth on this extremely critical issue? If these supernatural manifestations exist, will they not then in fact fully disprove the teachings of the unbelievers? Of course they will, but truth and facts have little to do with unbelief. Are you prepared to believe all that is written in the Scriptures? NOW FOR TODAY’S SUBJECT.

 

GOD SAID, Mark 16:16-20:

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

GOD SAID, Acts 2:1-4:

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

GOD SAID, Acts 10:44-47:

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

GOD SAID, Acts 19:1-7:

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve.

MAN SAID: Speaking in tongues is a bunch of ungodly gibberish, and supernatural manifestations of nearly any sort are not for today. The non-religious and the “religious” unbelievers deny its supernatural existence entirely.

 

Now THE RECORD. This is Part Two in a five-part series on the Baptism with the Holy Ghost. It will answer the ten questions listed in the first feature of this series. If you have not read or listened to Holy Ghost (Part One), please stop and do so before continuing.

Anonymous ID: f70f7a July 21, 2020, 5:55 a.m. No.10031394   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1398

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Question #1: What is the very first commandment Jesus Christ gives to His infant church?

 

It must be noted here that in order to have a clear understanding of this issue, we must approach it chronologically, beginning in the prophecies of the Old Testament. For example, Isaiah 28:11:

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Brother Paul refers to this in I Corinthians 14:21:

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Joel 2:28-32:

28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Brother Peter refers to this prophecy on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:16-21. We proceed from the Old Testament, to the gospels of the New Testament, and then the book of Acts and the epistles.

 

This necessary doctrine cannot be exaggerated. Receiving the Baptism with the Holy Ghost is the very first commandment given to the church. The ministry of the Holy Ghost and being personally baptized with the Holy Ghost are foundational to all the responsibilities of the Body of Christ. The Jewish feast of Pentecost, also known as the Feast of Weeks of Harvest, or of First Fruits, was a feast day similar to the American Thanksgiving. It was held the 50th day after Passover and it was the very day that God, through Christ Jesus, baptized the initial followers—the First Fruits—of Jesus Christ with the Holy Ghost. Pentecost is commonly known as the birthday of the church. The commandment to receive the baptism with the Holy Ghost is the last word spoken by the Lord and the first commandment given to the beginning church. Acts 1:6-9:

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Luke 24:49-51:

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

The ministry of the Holy Ghost is so immensely important, that Jesus speaks these words in John 16:7:

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The word expedient emphasizes the importance of the Baptism with the Holy Ghost. To use a baseball metaphor, being born-again places you in the game. The Baptism with the Holy Ghost is making it to first base, and to score successfully, it is the first imperative. It is the last word of Christ and the first commandment given to the church.

 

Question #2: Are people automatically baptized with the Holy Ghost the day they are saved?

 

The Baptism with the Holy Ghost is separate from the gift of salvation. It is certainly preferable to receive it the day one is born-again, but in numerous instances it is received at a future date. Even if one receives it on the day of his salvation, it is a distinctly different and separate experience.

Anonymous ID: f70f7a July 21, 2020, 5:56 a.m. No.10031398   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1403

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Question #2: Are people automatically baptized with the Holy Ghost the day they are saved?

 

The Baptism with the Holy Ghost is separate from the gift of salvation. It is certainly preferable to receive it the day one is born-again, but in numerous instances it is received at a future date. Even if one receives it on the day of his salvation, it is a distinctly different and separate experience.

 

The initial outpouring of the Holy Ghost took place in an upper room in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost. Those who were filled with the Holy Ghost were already believers in Christ, and had been previously baptized with water. Acts 2:1-4:

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 19:1-6 shows the Baptism with the Holy Ghost as distinctly separate from salvation. Also note that it declares three separate baptisms. It reads:

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Acts 2:38-39:

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

The Word of God certainly settles this issue. Baptism with the Holy Ghost is a separate and distinct supernatural occurrence that follows the born-again experience.

Anonymous ID: f70f7a July 21, 2020, 5:57 a.m. No.10031403   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1408

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Question #3: How did the saints of old get baptized with the Holy Ghost?

 

In the Scriptures where specifics are given, the initial outward manifestation that comes when one is baptized with the Holy Ghost, is that the recipient of the Baptism will speak in an unknown tongue. An unknown tongue is unknown to the speaker. I Corinthians 13:1 refers to this supernatural phenomenon:

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

An unknown tongue is not learned in a university, nor is it known by the speaker, but is supernaturally performed as the Spirit of God gives utterance. This is clearly stated in I Corinthians 14:14-18:

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

The Baptism with the Holy Ghost that took place on the day of Pentecost came with speaking in tongues. Acts 2:1-4:

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The first Gentiles to receive the Baptism with the Holy Ghost were Cornelius and his family and friends. Cornelius was a Roman centurion of the Italian band. He had sent for Peter to hear the words of life. While they were believing on the Lord Jesus, a supernatural event took place.

Anonymous ID: f70f7a July 21, 2020, 5:57 a.m. No.10031408   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>1411

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Acts 10:44-47:

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

The Apostle Paul ministered to the 12 disciples of John the Baptist in Acts 19 and they received the gift of the Holy Ghost. Verse 6 reads:

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

In the three instances above, where specifics are given, as people are actually being baptized with the Holy Ghost, they all speak with new tongues. In Acts 8, a group of believers is being baptized with the Holy Ghost. The specifics that transpire are not given, but it is certain that an obvious supernatural manifestation is taking place. One new convert who had been a sorcerer was so impressed with the miraculous manifestations that he wanted to purchase the ability to minister the Baptism. Acts 8:18-21:

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

The answer to Question #3 is that when the saints of old received the Baptism with the Holy Ghost, they spoke in unknown tongues.

Anonymous ID: f70f7a July 21, 2020, 5:58 a.m. No.10031411   🗄️.is 🔗kun

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Question #4: How did the Apostles recognize one who was baptized with the Holy Ghost?

 

The man who stood before the multitude in Jerusalem on that day of Pentecost, explaining the supernatural outpouring of the Holy Ghost and speaking in unknown tongues, was the Apostle Peter. In Acts 10:44-47, the Apostle Peter describes how he knows the group at Cornelius’ house has received the Baptism with the Holy Ghost. The passage reads:

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

The word for in verse 46 could be interchanged with the word because, to read, “Because they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.” When Peter explained to the Jewish Apostles and disciples how God offered salvation to the Gentiles even as He had offered it to the Jews, he recites the following in Acts 11:15-18:

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Peter knew that Cornelius and his house had received the gift of the Holy Ghost because he heard them speak in tongues, just as they did on the day of Pentecost.

 

The following is a recap of “Holy Ghost” questions one through four:

  1. The last words of Jesus and the first commandment to the infant church was to tarry until they received the Baptism with the Holy Ghost.

  2. The Baptism with the Holy Ghost is a separate and distinct supernatural occurrence that follows the born-again experience.

  3. When the saints of old received the Baptism with the Holy Ghost, they spoke in unknown tongues.

  4. The manifestation recognized by Peter at Cornelius’ house indicating that the people, in fact, had received the Baptism with the Holy Ghost is that he heard them speak with tongues.

This is the end of “Holy Ghost (Part Two).” Parts Three and Four, God willing, will follow. Be free to believe!