>>10482221 pb

About all this CDC changed their numbers from 160K to 9K.

We're really misinterpreting this data.

We're basically wrong.

And, collectively, we're kinda stupid about this.

Is anyone else besides me actually looking at the CDC page and what it says?

And are they understanding what it says?

You have 2 vastly different numbers.

One number - 160K - is how many people who had COVID who died.

Another number - 9K - tells you how many people died who only had COVID listed on their death form. That number, 9K, isn't even a real number. It was derived by getting 6% of 160K. The CDC mentioned that only 6% of the people who died only had COVID mentioned on the form, and someone outside of the CDC did the math.

The thing is, what that CDC page does is simply represent a tally of what people who filled out the forms put on those forms.

It's not at all a measurement of what people died from. It's a measurement of what people put on the forms of 160K dead people.

This might be difficult to understand.

On the CDC page there is a table that lists all of the different things that form fillers are putting on the forms. I'll pick out 4 of the many choices that are there.

1) Accidents like Motorcycle crashes + COVID.

We all heard about the guy with COVID who died in a motorcycle crash. He didn't die of COVID, the COVID didn't cause his death, it was the motorcycle crash, but he's on the list as a COVID death, and that's clearly wrong. And there are quite a large number of deaths that are like that. Those particular deaths shouldn't be on the COVID list.

2) Diabetes. Diabetes is one of quite a few preexisting conditions that have been marked on forms. People with diabetes have caught COVID, and died. It wasn't the diabetes that killed them though. They were alive with diabetes, and dead with COVID. Do we really think that we shouldn't call those deaths COVID deaths because the person who died had a preexisting condition? I don't. We have known since March that very old people and people with preexisting conditions are the most "at risk". At risk people, like people with diabetes, are catching COVID and dying, and when a form has diabetes and COVID on it, it was the COVID who killed them, and not the diabetes. Having the diabetes just makes it more likely they'll die, from the COVID.

3) Respiratory arrest / failure + COVID. This is a different category from diabetes. Respiratory arrest is what you die from (often, mostly) when you have COVID. Lungs get thick mucus, blood clots. We've known this for months. If a otherwise healthy person gets COVID, and then dies of respiratory failure, that's a person who dies of COVID. This respiratory failure is not something different from COVID. 2 people filling out forms might fill out the forms differently for the same person. Maybe one person puts down just COVID, maybe another person puts down COVID and respiratory failure.

4) Pneumonia. A lot of people died from COVID + pneumonia. 60K. In cases of COVID + pneumonia, I would argue that those are actually pneumonia deaths. We've known about HCQ + Zpack since March. The Zpack is the antibiotic, given to patients with COVID in order to prevent or treat pneumonia and other bacterial infections. I think that when the form says pneumonia, I would call that a pneumonia death, and not a COVID death. Removing the pneumonia deaths would take the total number of COVID deaths from 160K to about 100K, and I'd do that.

>>10487444

So, what do we have.

1) Accidents and other things that people die from that have nothing to do with COVID. Those should be removed from the COVID tally.

2) Pneumonia and other diseases which are the actual cause of death. 60K+. I'd say call deaths with pneumonia deaths, not COVID deaths and remove them.

3) Diabetes and other preexisting conditions which probably helped make the COVID fatal. I'd keep those on the list because it was the COVID that killed, not the preexisting conditions.

4) Respiratory arrest/failure. Those are symptoms of COVID, I'd call those COVID deaths and keep them on the list.

Anyway, you see how tricky this is, with 160K COVID deaths you have 160K slightly different cases. It's not 160K COVID deaths, but it's not 9K COVID deaths either, it's somewhere in between.

Additionally, you also have 5), which is not going to be on the form, which is Medical Malpractice. In places like Elmhurst, they would take everyone with COVID, give them Fentanyl, put them on Ventilators, and they would all die. See - Epicenter Nurse youtube. The people filling out the forms never put "Medical Malpractice" as a cause of death, but it does certainly appear that that was the real cause. People were coming in with anxiety, and Elmhurst put them with COVID people, they got COVID, then Fentanyl, Ventilators and Death.

So, accidents and other infections, I'd remove from the COVID list, and preexisting conditions and symptoms of COVID I'd keep on the list. In order to get a "real" number, you'd have to look at each one, for the most part, remove motorcycle crashes and pneumonia, and you'll get under 100k true COVID deaths.

>>10487458

YES. I plan to copy and paste that every single bread until that 6% bullshit argument stops, or until I get tired of it.

I'm right.

When someone with Diabetes gets COVID and dies, they die of COVID. People seem to flat out ignore that when they do their math.

The 6% argument makes us look stupid and us looking stupid pisses me off. So, until it stops or I get bored, I'll be posting it.

>>10487498

You seem to think that there are 2 sides to this argument. There are more than 2 sides.

The 6% number that people are throwing around is pure bullshit.

The CDCs number has been too high. We've known that since March.

The CDC is a vaccine company and if the CDC was nuked it would be a good day. Fauci and all those fuckers should hang.

But the 6% argument is stupid.

>>10487600

I was typing about hydroxychloroquine right here before Trump mentioned it in March.

I was posting link after link, study after study from Pubmed.

Here's the FACT - far more than 10K died from COVID.

Everything that you said in the first 5 paragraphs I agree with.

We've KNOWN FULL WELL SINCE MARCH that the OLD and those with Preexisting conditions were the most likely to DIE. I have typed this on this site every month since March.

BUT. That 6% Number is just Flat Out Bullshit.

It's a BAD ARGUMENT. A STUPID ARGUMENT. An argument so bad that even Demonrats can win.

People with Diabetes get COVID and they died of COVID, not Diabetes. The 6% argument LEAVES THEM OUT. Even a Demonrat can understand that and win the argument with you by using that fact. It's a shitty, stupid argument. The argument could be refined in some way to make it truthful and not stupid, but as it stands now, it's a stupid argument that is easily defeated by the Demons.

>>10487533

I NEVER SAID THAT NO ONE DIES OF DIABETES.

But people get COVID and 1 week or 2 weeks later are dead.

Those particular people who died, died of COVID, not Diabetes.

Is this that difficult for you to understand?

You just seem STUPID.

>>10487790

The CDC is vastly overstating the true number of deaths from COVID.

Pneumonia is more deadly than COVID and 60K died with both Pneumonia and COVID. Because pneumonia is more deadly (COVID often has no symptoms), those 60K deaths should be reclassified as Pneumonia deaths, not COVID deaths.

The CDC is vastly overstating the risk of death to otherwise healthy people.

You see that many of the deaths from COVID were to people with preexisting conditions like diabetes. Very few of the deaths were to people who were otherwise healthy.

I'd say things like that.

1) Overstating the number of real COVID deaths. (I'd guess 50-80K)

2) Overstating the risks of COVID to young, healthy people. (In many states, a majority, over 51% of the deaths were to people living in nursing homes)

3) I'd also argue that a major cause of death in COVID cases would be medical malpractice. Elmhurst hospital took a guy who had no COVID, put him in the hospital with people with COVID, he got COVID, they put him on Fentanyl and a Ventilator, and he never woke up. They flat out killed him.

I'd focus on 1 and 2 - falsely high deaths and overhype of dangers to young and healthy. 80% asymptomatic.

>>10487949

ok, good info. would you say that either type of pneumonia is more deadly than COVID? It seems pretty clear to me that pneumonia is more deadly.

>>10487974

There most certainly is. They should not have used the ventilators. It was the ventilators that killed them. Cuomo begged for ventilators, Cuomo got ventilators, and Elmhurst Hospital killed many with ventilators. See the youtube video by epicenter nurse who was making videos when on duty at Elmhurst. She talked at great length about all the various malpractice.