>>10878295

No audio. No vids. Only pictures. However, technically, a pic could possibly be a capture from a vid.

Agree a simple question is most efficient rather than long personal search and best if in a conversation sharing ideas.

>it's probably thinking so far out of the box that it's in a very different box or a bottle, thousands of miles away from the shore bobbing around in the flotsam and jetsam of my own mind………….entering the quote will have something returned in the search linking to a pic or video link taken in London around the timeframe you are looking at, date and time stamped.

Please elaborate. Thinking outside the box is encouraged.

>another quote…….."you have all you need" and perhaps just that quote is all that is needed?

That one has been one of the most intriguing of Q statements. Dropped early and often.

The possibility of the Embankment pics being Spring would not surprise me. Q has mixed pics from different London drop sequences in the same drop before and dropped multiple topics in same drops as well. Its purpose is admittedly to confuse.

The post involving NG and Saudi Arabia comes to mind. Q admitted disinfo was necessary. So, I think Q does allow us to chatter on about a misread of a Q drop until an anon figures it out and then Q says disinfo necessary. Then everyone says, "Ahhh. Didn't see that."

So if the EMB pics with the green foliage can't be Fall or Winter, then maybe Spring when people still wear coats?

>>10884747

>was the quote from the Q drop "When do birds SING?" in quotation marks within the drop?

Let's start from here. This one actually says it. We can talk about how at other times Q mixes in info from different running topics into the same post. In other posts, the birds sing reference does refer to a criminal confessing for leniency, but at other times Q says double meanings exist. But posting this basic drop here to start. Feel free to ask questions. Q does, after all. ;-)

>>10826754

While Anon was away, I have gone off gallivanting but digging still. I decided to break out of my bookends pen and go roaming about. Think of this as building on my last post about the Moon during the CM bike run but consider this 2.0.

I have started to use a new analytical site for lunar position modeling called Mooncalc.org

https://www.mooncalc.org/#/51.5066,-0.1223,16/2018.03.23/19:43/1/3

This free app allows for much greater accuracy. To choose one's position, you can zoom in and put the almost exact spot on Hungerford Bridge in the "bullseye" to choose your vantage point.

While using this site I noticed that the map showed London Eye and when causing the time indicator slide to move the Moon around its orbit, the bearing was around 158.5 degrees,(roughly SSE) which is what I initially estimated the bearing to be.

On the site, you first choose your position on the map by first zooming in to London until you can see Hungerford Bridge over Victoria Embankment Road. Next, choose a date. Then, use the slide (indicating time of day) at the top to cause the Moon to progress along its orbit.

By going back all the way to February 2013, I went through the days of the Spring and Winter months from Feb. 2013 through Mar. 2014. I did go through October 2013 as well. The very best altitude match I could obtain was 13.74 degrees on May 25, 2014.

The best days were March 31, April 1, May 25 and May 26, 2013.

See related screen caps. As I mentioned before, the elevated position of the traffic cam on Hungerford Bridge may be the cause of why the Moon could seem to appear in roughly the same position as in the CM (28AUG2015) video taken at street level from a bicycle.

To review, the very best low altitude moons are seen in Summer, the time of the CM cid.

Remember, the Moon is at its highest altitudes in Winter, and at its lowest altitudes in Summer. These 4 dates are the lowest I could find for cold weather months during Spring 2013 (Feb/Mar/Apr/May), and from October 2013 thru March 2014).

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BEST DATES:

March 31, 2013. Altitude 16.11 degrees

April1, 2013. 14.9 degrees

May 25, 2013. 13.74 degrees (BEST)

May 26, 2013. 14.76 degrees

The ones in May are around midnight.

The ones Mar31 and Apr1 are 2:47am and 3:46am respectively. As I write, I can't check but I suspect the Mar:Apr dates will be closest to a HIGH TIDE.

>>10896566

Adding to my post.

I had to go back to my email from Port of London Authority to check tide times because we had bot been looking in this time frame.

Frens, since the times were early morning of the next day, I will log them as follows:

(NIGHT OF MARCH 30, 2013) Saturday

Bearing @2:47am (next day). Next high tide @ 4:00am was 7.3 maters, a very high tide.. Delta to HT: 1hr, 13min

Note- Although Saturday was a 3am closing night, the 2:47am time could reflect a last call announcement and people leaving the Tattershall Castle, and there still being cars on the road.

(NIGHT OF APRIL 1, 2013) Sunday

Bearing @3:46am (next day). Next high tide @ 4:41am was 7.17 meters, also a very high tide). Delta to next high tide: 55min

Note- On a Sunday night, this would be a much later than closing time for the Tattrtshall Castle (11:30pm) but, as mentioned earlier, as a "hack" for all parking being full on Whitehall Place adjacent to the CORINTHIA HOTEL, the targets may have parked their rental on Victoria Embankment and walked to CH from there.

These kinda werk for LMI6 as the tide appears to be high(according to ROT1 mooring, yet about 1.5 meters below peak level (as seen in LMI6). And not to far away from dawn for morning CH pics? A quick check of sunrise for both dates shows approx. 6:35am.

>>10897142

I should add info on May 25, 26.

(NIGHT OF MAY 25, 2013) Saturday

Bearing @ 11:59pm. Next high tide:2:04an would be 7.13 meters, a very high tide. Delta to HT: 2hrs, 5min

Note- Not a good business hours match as the TATTS was open til 3am on Fridays and Saturdays.

(NIGHT OF MAY 26, 2013) Sunday

Bearing @ 12:16am (next day). Next high tide @ 2:51am was 7.29 meters, a very high tide. Delta to HT: 2hrs, 35min

Note- Time werks for a Sunday closing time of 11pm for RS Hispaniola and 11:30pm for PS Tattershall Castle. Nice high tide level and time. Plenty of cars out after midnight.

So, May 26, 2013 is in the running.

>>10897813

Too bad. Could have done this civilly. I guess our man Q will have to get them by the short hairs if they insist on this posture. Poor em eye six. DECLAS

>>10896566

I ask anons' patience in that I have a slight CORRECTION to make. Am phonefagging all of this on a tiny screen, looking at a TINY outline of LE, and realized that I made a mistake because I was using a bearing on what turns out is a boat landing that sticks out into the Thames, instead of centering on the wheel of LE to the rear. The difference in bearing is about 4 degrees. A more correct bearing would be 154 degrees from Hungerford Bridge to rough center on London Eye. This result is that my times are about 13 to 16 minutes later than they should be. To review- It takes 'roughly' 4 minutes per degree of the Moon's path across the sky. The change in altitude is minimal however- maybe a degree less than stated above. So even better on our altitudes.

>>10905121

A good pic to remem for discussion what RS HISPANIOLA looks like when she us all lit up, above and below decks, during business hours. This is the reason why we believe she is closed and it is "after hours" in the ROT1 pic.

>>10903072

>>10859369

>>10829278

Thanks, Anon.

>>10905619

>looking at the london eye (Ferris wheel) its closing. it turns clockwise, the last quarter are the only illuminated pods

Anon, I don't recall any other anons realizing that. I've never been so wouldn't know. That's interesting. Let's try an exercise, and please correct me if I am wrong. So, for the sake of discussion: The London Eye website says the ride takes about half an hour. If the last pod loaded was at 9:30pm at the bottom of LE, and they appear in the Q pic(ROT1) at what appears to be 3/4ths of the way, then that would make the time 9:30pm plus 22.5 minutes, or about 9:53pm or so?

Too early for our restaurant ships to be closed. The Hispaniola closed at 11pm each day. The TATTS' closing times were 11pm M-TH; 3am F, S; 11:30pm Sun.

Still a mystery. Wayback machine has a 2013 schedule showing 9:30pm closings the whole year. 2014 has some 11:30 closings, but from June 29 to August 31.

see captures.

A bank holiday? Ideas?

>>10919624

Thanks very much. Well that's good news.

>>10904712

"Birds singing in the sycamore tree…

I'm longing to linger til dawn, dear

just sayin this…

(Knowing that the London Plane tree is a Sycamore, I found this song amusing, thinking of Lisa and Peter on Victoria Embankment and the dawn pictures of the Corinthia Hotel.) ;-)

>>10903797

There are 3 series of London Q pics, and one (at the moment) solitary Q pic. We look for any small detail within each of those pictures that says that pic was taken during a particular time of year, month or day.

So far, things such as the signage used on an amusement ride, the establishment of a street ticket kiosk, an advertisement on an electronic billboard, stickers placed on an electric junction box, the water level on the Thames, the height and compass bearing of the Moon, the presence of a blue Boris bike, the type of clothing worn, a type of bus no longer in general service, construction being done on landmarks such as Westminster Palace or other building, absence of bus traffic and motorcycle traffic, and green leaves instead of brown leaves on a tree are a good sample of what we have looked at in attempting to date Q's London pics. Anything of temporary duration that yields a time frame or as we say here, "bookends".

>>10933247

Thank you, Baker!

>>10932990

>If you know the position of the moon and are using it to approximate the time of year, should knowing the position of the moon not also be of use in determining the time of day it is too?

Exactly, Anon. We only just recently (this bread) were able to get a "known" position from anon's posted video of the Critical Mass bicycle rally that occurred 28AUG2015 and according to vid, sighting of the Moon was around 7:53pm. This vid find should be considered a notable in our discussions. You must view it and save it for further reference. It captures a striking likeness to the Q dropped NSA Traffic cam ROT1 pic. Read the above discussion on Big Ben as well. Ir's okay to withhold judgement for a moment that the time shown on the clock indicates 7:55pm. However, on running a night sky simulation on Timeanddate.com, one can see a depiction of a twilight sky using the above time and date. Also, look at the color of yhe sky in the CM video. It is definitely a darkening blue twilight sky. Compare to numerous vids of London at night and you will see the night sky is black. Forgot to add, sunset on the date of the CM bike ride was 7:55pm. Civil twilight ended at 8:31pm, meaning night sky completely black. THIS confirmed for me that we had gotten the time on BIG BEN right. And now, we have a known altitude for Moon to compare with our visual in the CM vid.

Now, because both vid and traffic cam captured the Moon in a pretty close likeness but are at substantially different elevations themselves, a discussion of PARALLAX VIEW is forthcoming because the Q ROT1 traffic cam was taken some 30-40 feet above the street over Victoria Embankment. I think that this can account for a good 7 or 8 degrees difference in elevation.

>>10933981

PARALLAX VIEW. I believe that the two very similar views of the Moon, one from a street-level view (Critical Mass vid) and the other, some 40 feet above that, are the result of a parallax view. Therefore, the actual altitude in the ROT1 Q post pic is some 7 or 8 degrees higher, and so night sky simulations should be looking for Moon altitudes of approximately 13 or 14 degrees.

>>10944446

Anon please read above to catch up.

>>10859005

>>10878295

>>10896566

>>10897142

>>10897782

>>10899109

>>10948768

>>10948661

My abilities to put that info to use is doubtful.Was not intending to go that route. The cost/benefit ratio of trying to learn that is unknown to me. Am just saying, in CM 2.0 discussion, that the vid was useful to help us start looking for an altitude in the ballpark of 6.47 degrees. The actual positions of the observers in ROT1 and CM vid are different. It was mentioned because I checked Mooncalc.org going back to March 2013 (using bearing 158 degrees- roughly)and could not find an elevation less than 13.5 to 14 or so degrees. The bearing matches shown above were really great for time of evening, and about AN HOUR from high tide. That made the LMI6 and EMB pics work TOGETHER and in agreement with TIDE. Best were April 1 and May 25 I think. You mentioned going backward. I did and found matches for Moon, Tide and Time. The times are excellent because they would explain (corroborate) the tide level seen in LMI6- high but not yet highest tide level). These FIT. But they are in Spring 2013.

>>10961676

>The 5th and 6th are in red and may list a company or event. Will enhance and be back later.

They say: "Welcome Aboard."

>>10953783

>The 3 boards do not appear in summer 2013 vids/pics - nor earlier. That's a soft bookend that could allow for late summer/early fall 2013

Thanks. I will go through every day. One request from this lunar/tidal phonefag please. Can you big screen fags go to the mooncalc.org site and get me your best estimate of the bearing from the traffic cam on Hungerford Bridge please? The site is fairly easy to understand and master.

You will see a map of Europe with a red bullseye. Using your fingers, pull the map to the side until you get UK. Find and get Lindon in the bullseye and keep zooming until you get to Hungerford and Victoria EMB. Now this is your observation point. Now try scrolling with the time tab above. As you do, you will see the Moon be caused to move back and forth along its path. Please find your best bearing to center of LONDON EYE (not the boat landing in front). Am thinking it should be around 154 degrees, maybe less? Please post with a cap of your efforts. I will use this consensus to do a full survey of the target time period.

Expect to see elevations a little bit higher than those we did at 118 degrees. I think the fact that the cyclist was down below and 100 plus feet(anons?) might be cause for a moon of 6.47 in CM vid to appear in same place around the center of LE, as it does in the ROT1 pic(I think taken at a longer angle). I say this, anons, because at the 154 degree angle, the LOWEST altitudes possible are around 13 degrees. I would really like to "crowd" towards Spring/Summer where "lower" Moons occur. If Anon says the sign says after Spring 2013, fine. I stand by my posts above which really solved all the issues of: same evening, fast approaching high tide, concurrency of all the pics in a series. Best dates were around 3/30-4/1 and 5/25-5/26 of 2013. Get me that bearing please and I will start again from March 2013 to March 2014.

>>10967042

Forgot to say that when you do align the bearing from Hungerford to LE, take note of what the digital readout on the left readout dashboard says. Please cap and post your best bearing passing thru the center of LE. Thanks.

>>10953783

Anon, give me your furthest out, windward date in March of 2013 that I can use in a night sky simulation. Bear in mind, I am looking to "crowd" towards the cooler times. Summer is no good. This happened in the cooler months. Spring when folks still wear coats at night, before Summer, or cooler months after that Summer when folks wear coats again. What is your Spring bookend?

>>10967497

Was there any delay, phase-in period in the roll-out, transition from Barclay's to Santanders Cycles, or did London go to sleep one night with Barclays cycles and wake the next with Santanders cycles?

Any delay, phase-in period could be helpful.

Thanks.

>>10968339

>And to add to your frustration, unintentionally, must remind that the tigther bookend is based on the 4-MAR-2014 accident,

Gave up in that one a while back and added my underscore to your period mark by stating March 1, 2014 coincided with a new Moon. So, no moon even visible to begin with on March 1 with thumbnail sliver crescent Moon's following in the next few days. Haven't forgotten the bollard situation in front of the Corinthian either.

Not sure why I mentioned the Boris bikes. Not a concern on the windward either as they began service aeons ago.

Am currently favoring those 2013 Spring months though so give me what you can windward.

>>10968339

>Windward, well, again prolly rough for your purposes, but MAR 2013 is outside the time range established via the rooftop shrouding behind Big Ben in all of the EMB pics

Can Boatfag or VidAnon recall an even earlier hoarding/shrouding of the very same Westminster tower? I could swear there was but did in our wish to ever narrow the ends it was not retained? Think they might have done some preservation with a mind to go back later in September 2013?

>>10968997

Thanks. A gud PROOF of leaf drop in progress for those trees on the riverside of Victoria Embankment. Will save.

>>10971938

That, sage anon is what we are already sayin. They would have already lost their leaves. They do look kinda sparse and green near streetlights tho in LMI6, like new buds in SPRING? Is May in Spring?

>>10972012

>>10977493

>Need to make the comparison so that can use this info to include or to eliminate those days - with certainty. The tidal/lunar data might help confirm.

>I think this could place a hole inside the time range rather than define a bookend, but let's find out for certain.

Ran those dates. They were not in my list of best dates but giving a rundown here for the current discussion. BTW using the free site: mooncalc.org

Not having heard from anons yet about their best bearing from Hungerford Bridge yet, am using my best estimate of 154 degrees, phonefagging on my tiny screen.

1/6 @154 deg. 3:22pm, 37 deg. alt

1/7 @ bearing, 4:17pm, 42 deg alt

1/8 @ bearing, 5:08pm, 46 deg alt

1/9 @ bearing, 6:02pm, 50 deg alt

1/10 @ bearing, 6:52pm, 52 deg alt

1/11 @ bearing, 7:44pm, 54 deg alt

1/12 @ bearing, 8:33pm, 55 deg alt

1/13 @ bearing, 9:20pm, 55 deg alt

1/14 @ bearing, 10:08pm, 54 deg alt

1/15 @ bearing, 10:52pm, 52 deg alt

1/16 @ bearing, 11:31pm, 49 deg alt

1/17 @ bearing, 12:13am(next) 46 deg alt

Last 3 are near business hours. Bad elevations for all. Anons may notice and get a feel for "precession" of times as they get later, and for a precession of the Moon as it reaches its highest around the 12/13th and starts to appear lower each night after.

>>10978431

I may be going crazy, having viewed so many London vids, but do any other anons think they've seen one of those company trucks in a London vid? Sure, maybe a local cleaning company maybe. That is going to drive me mad.

>>10972238

>trees are bare

Trees are bare in that Karcher vid from MARCH 2013.

Trees are bare in that Marathon vid filmed on APRIL 21, 2013. (For other anons, you can also see a hoarding/shroud on that tower at Westminster Palace.)

So when do we see a little green in those still pretty bare trees? I think I have seen some London pics hereabouts where just such a thing can be seen. And folks in those pics are wearing jackets. The streetlights on Victoria are spotlighting some greenery in those still bare trees, and it isn't "Ayyys". So, anons, there are some late April and May 2013 dates that work in simulation for low altitudes around 13 degrees. See CM 2.0 discussion above. A match for bearing and low altitude that occurs late at night, an hour from a very high tide matching what both ROT1 and LMI6 depict. They are my current best choice. The problem with Winter Moon altitudes being too high can be summed up in the saying, "When the Sun is high(Summer) the Moon is low. When the Sun is low(Winter), the Moon is high." Anons please check for yourselves. But in my humble opinion, the moon altitudes for Oct/Nov/Dec/Jan/Feb are too high.

The sites below are free. No app download required.

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/night/uk/london

https://www.mooncalc.org/#/51.5066,-0.1223,16/2018.03.23/19:43/1/3

>>10979898

I propose that anons go to mooncalc.org and agree on the best possible bearing from Hungerford Bridge to the center of London Eye. Please post a screen cap of your efforts. The reason for this exercise is to get a group consensus on what the bearing captured in ROT1 is.

I will use that agreed upon bearing to post lists of the altitudes for months within our group's agreed upon target months. The reason for doing this is because we have the August 28, 2015 capture of the Moon in a position that is very close to what is seen in ROT1. A simulation of that date and time found in said video reveals an altitude of 6.47 degrees, and IMPORTANTLY, a bearing of only 118 degrees, less than an hour after moonrise. However, the vid was captured from down on the street level from Victoria Embankment, I think near the TATTERSHALL CASTLE. Please correct me on this if I an wrong, but that position is hundreds of feet away from the Q Traffic Cam. The CM vid above is still our best comparison at this time. However, the vid was taken around 7:53pm and our Q Traffic cam ROT1 is taken during what appears "after hours" for both restauramt ships. Both restaurants are closed by 11pm. The TATTS also has an 11:30pm closing time on Sundays and a 3am closing time on Fridays and Saturdays.

Here is how it relates to the bearing on the CM vid capture showing an altitude of 6.47 or so degrees:

In using what has been my best guess at the actual compass bearing from Hungerford Bridge, 154 degrees, I have run countless inquiries on mooncalc.org and the night sky sim on timeanddate.com, the absolute lowest altitudes obtainable ALL YEAR are around 13.7 degrees. Those are only obtainable starting in late March, and in April and May. Of course there are similar low altitudes in Summer but, because of higher temps, those have been excluded.

Note- lower altitudes can be obtained toward moonrise but I am only concerned with trying to match the bearing to LE as seen in ROT1.

Anons, please let's agree on that bearing and proceed from there.

>>10986484

>>10986517

Anon, adjust your bearing to the Wheel, not boat dock.

>>10986484

Thanks vm anon. Can you please adjust as pictured and report? Thanks again.

>>10986845

That is fantastic, Anon! I had a feeling my 154 bearing was a little to right of center. It actually can our altitudes even lower!

>>10986908

That nautical site comes through again! You too, Anon!

>>10986966

Anon, may I ask, since you have a great site there, and because we are trying our utmost, can you adjust as pictured, your start point. See that very narrow gray path? That's the footbridge. Make your position the footbridge over the Northbound lanes of Victoria Embankmemt. Thanks, fren!

>>10987218

Roger that. Fire for effect!!!

>>10985697

>She recalled the Boston Marathon bombing and Edward Snowden’s global surveillance leaks in 2013 as the defining events in her FBI career..

But she did not join the FBI until 2014?

Also interesting is that, as we learn the London pics date back to 2013 and maybe a small portion of 2014, how could Lisa be of concern in the December 2013 WW pics? LP was also not a field agent but rather a lawyer, a legal attache. It is implied in her bios that London was her favorite city. Maybe her history in London goes back much further. Maybe before she started with the DOJ.

And about those London pics, she has a quite low hairline with a distinguishing widow's peak. Now look again at the woman in the WW pics.

>>10981880

You've been holding back. Why didn't you show that proof before? Great proof. But, I guess my job here is to be an outlier, at this point to challenge our "narrative". Do we have a narrative? Just kidding. We don't. Sometimes I just think WTF? Why can't stuff just fall into place? So many moving parts. Something always in opposition. All we are trying to do is figure out a normal fact-of-the-matter event that occurred.

We are just looking for a snapshot in time.

But- we have a clue. Our camera must be facing in a certain direction to recapture the event in ROT1. Anon, whatever timeframe you think you have gathered, you are going to have to answer to me. I am at 151.5 degrees SSE and approximately 13 or so degrees in elevation. If you can't align with me at that bearing, then all your EMB theory is wasted.

Sincerely,

The Moon

>>10993185

>was that you, Anon, asking if Q was a fraud by way of the dating of these pics?

Not I.

Sincerely, Your Fren,

The Moon

>>10993326

>Not wedded to the time range. Wedded to the available evidence. Conclusions are drawn from that, not from theories.

Available evidence awaits in the form of bearing and altitude matches. No match? Then nothing? I have gone through the whole (eligible) dates from MARCH 2013

to MARCH 2014. A low level all-day headache, maybe from squinting at a small screen, maybe from a desktop site not intended for phonefagging. 76 screen caps. Those are just the ones I saved. As stated before, some dates are obviously discarded due to moon phase, Summertime, etc. Too many to drop. Can summarize I guess. I guess it will give you a list. But a list you may not want.

>>10993326

>The time range is currently an interval of 5 months and excludes the other 7 months. Reconcling the evidence can be difficult but can be done.

Every date in your time range is going to have to be tested by the eye of the needle.

That eye is 151.5 degrees at a low altitude of around 13 degrees. Maybe it is not necessary posit a new theory,. Maybe it's time not to create but destroy. Or maybe both, like Kali. Maybe we need some healthy process of elimination to see where to go. Anon, look for yourself. There may be room in March but that is after your bookend at CH with the bollard. There are good bearings in Spring 2013 as well, but you say that there is no way the evidence of shrouding could look like it does in LMI6? You are sure it could never have looked that way?

>>10993759

I had thot your bollard bookend was insurmountable. I have not really looked at end of March or April 2014 because of that.

Am just going to post some Spring 2013 GOOD dates as well as the bad ones for rest of the year. But even the bad ones will be the best that particular month showed for Moon elevation. Sorry, if taking up a few posts, but I have worked all day on this. Even as I find myself a bit of antagonist, anon, please trust me, if I did not care a great deal about this dig, I would not have a headache. ;)

PART 1:

>>10993873

PART 2:

>>10993881

PART 3:

Let me know if you have reconsidered the CH bollard bookend. I thought signs of remembrance/memorials would have commenced within a day or so. But let me know.

>>10993885

o7. Need to rest my eyes. Out.

>>10993960

Anon, forgive me as I have not been taking notes. Anons did a great job narrowing the construction shrouding from October 2013 through March 2014. But on the prior shrouding that took place toward Spring 2013, and sorry if I did not take notes, but want to ask about it. Is it possible that there was a time in Spring 2013 when the prior shrouding was at a "more incomplete" stage that could match the October/November shrouding (which matches that in the LMI6 pic?) Can anons look at FEB/MAR/APR for pics like the progression we saw later in 2013? I will also begin looking. Up until now, I have been solely focused on charting of lunar/tidal info. I think a vid showing the Summer (more extensive shrouding) was posted. But now am curious if a prior pics can be found with less shrouding. The Spring matches are most promising in that they are more "Occam's razor-like" in that, all moving parts come together. A night sky search of the bearing required yielded: some low altitudes. Now here is the part where they get even more interesting. Bear in mind, I only insisted that the bearing of 151.5 degrees must be satisfied. The matches in Spring also coincidentally had: late times which were an hour or so prior to the tides. This you know satisfies as a match for what is seen in the water level in the LMI6 pic and corroborates the "high" tide implied by the mooring of the RS Hispaniola seen in ROT1. And, the majority of them also coincidentally are a Waning Gibbous Moons. And lest we forget, and this may be my own proof I guess anons may not agree with but, the building lights seen on the Milbank building in all the Embankment pics are of the same configuration when you enhance the photos. No theories of different dates are required. No theories of an earlier or later time for the LMI6 pic is required. The same targets are seen in the ROT pics. Same cold evening, with greenery showing in the trees. Not Summer-trees too full. Not Fall, leaves should be yellowish, maybe brown. Not Winter-leaves gone or remnants which should be yellow or brown, but certainly no green leaves should be seen when a tree is shedding its leaves. Only in Spring will you see a yet sparsely leaved tree which has greenery showing. Imho, Anons.

>>11016841

Noice werk, Anon! Will run for entire month. I have already found a gud match early around April 1, but that might be too early? Also had a gud match later in April.

Thanks!

>>11016841

Sorry, that digg you did was 2014. Can you help with searching Spring 2013 for a Westminster shrouding that matches LMI6?

Thanks, Anon. Could that perhaps have been an annual marathon?

>>11016841

I will def do a bunch of night sky sims in April 2014. Noice again on that yellow sign. Reason I was looking at Spring 2013 is because I thot that bollard proof in front of the Corinthian was a definite roadblock for further consideration of months following.

Again, gud werk, Anon.

>>11022992

Thank you. You know I have to ask. Any possibility of earlier? Or did the construction shroud just go up in April? If so, of course am looking for a date certain.

>>11023234

Tyvm, Anon. Looks very promising as a source. Will look at that.

>>11023376

So far, VidAnon has found pics/caps of construction shrouding that eliminates post-April twenty-something 2013, because those pics show even the top spire of the tower covered. But, am still hoping for pic evidence of less extensive, shrouding (in progress) before that which could maybe show the top not covered. Hoping VidAnon and others can find a "less constructed" shroud in March or April. I plan to outline in more written detail, rather than just show caps of the night sky sims. The caps are great, but don't explain why I feel the other moving parts come together and support one another. Those moving parts of course start with our lunar bearing of 151.5 degrees from Hungerford Bridge. When one "freezes" that moment in time, the TIME is recorded as well as ALTITUDE of the Moon.

A quick check of the time and what day of the week it was can eliminate our snapshot in time if it is too early in the evening for the restaurant ships to be "after hours". The later times are preferred due to most late evening high tides (as evidenced in ROT1 and LMI6) occur in the wee hours of the morning. A look at LMI6 shows tide level about 1.5 meters from peak. That remaining 1.5 meters can represent an hour snd a half, maybe two hours. Using as a rough guide the Mariner's Rule of Twelfths, and roughly, a 6-hour time for tides to roll in, one can see it is within reason the LMI6 pic is showing a point where 3/4ths of the tide is in. A gud really high tide can be 7.3 meters.

I think anons have said May would show too much greenery in the trees. Anon's pics are showing February as being too early, with no leaves appearing. I think we are closing in on either March or April in either 2013 or 2014. And I am expecting anons to allow or not allow Spring 2013 soon. Am still not sure if I have been cleared by anons to look at March/April 2014 due to traffic bollard issue. But we are closer than we have ever been.

To all of you anons, gud werk!

>>11024506

I watched that. Nothing can stop what is coming. Tvm, Anon.

>>11023376

Anon, I decided I will just post what is technically April 1, 2013. Since VidAnon has found an an April 2013 pic showing the construction shroud (as it existed in April) could NOT match the LMI6 pic which captures a square shroud on one of Westminster Palace's towers.

At the moment, however, no pics have been found (yet) which exclude a possible match for end of March and April 1.

I ran 6 days, from March 26 thru Match 31(which evening carries over to April 1, so you know I haven't forgotten your request for an April 1 simulation- which by the way is REALLY GOOD.)

An Anon mentioned the possibility of lunar position as possibly determining time of evening (not sure if you) but that is correct, if at the right PHASE. If you wondered if it's bs that indigenous tribesmen can tell what time it is by the Moon, it is totally possible.

This is where what I've learned by studying this for 6 months or so there is an exact science to it. And, it is the reason why we have been looking for Waning Gibbous Moons. For doubters, yes the Moon rises in the same Eastern horizon behind London Eye every day of the year. But some of those phases fo that at the wrong time and they are easily eliminated. This is science and can be checked in a 5-minute search.

A FULL Moon must always be exactly opposite the Sun to be fully exposed. That means it is always opposite the Sun in position and time. At 12 noon, the Moon is directly behind the Earth on the opposite side, and vice versa. It will rise at the time the Sun sets and sets when the Sun rises. Note: The Moon travels roughly about 45 degrees across the sky In 3 hours, 90 degrees in 6 hours,, 135 degrees in 9 hours and 180 degrees in 12 hours. A NEW Moon is very near the same position of the Sun and, during the day is lost in the glare of the Sun. This is why all eclipses involve a Nee Moon. We can eliminate New Moons from our searches. We can also do the same for Full Moons because they rise at sunset, and are almost straight overhead by midnight. They are seen at 151.5 degrees too early in the evening, 9-10 pm. The other lunar phases can also be eliminated because: the CRESCENT Moons, depending on whether they are waxing or waning, are 3 hours behind or ahead of the Sun respectively. We can eliminate those. The First and Third Quarter Moons also follow or lead the Sun by 6 hours. So, one of them will rise at 3pm and be overhead when the Sun is setting around 6pm. The other will be just rising at midnight. The Waxing gibbous and Waning Gibbous moons are 9-hours behind or ahead of the Sun respectively. So, the Waxing Gibbous will be rising at 3 pm- wrong time for us. The Waning Gibbous rises roughly around 9pm and by midnight-ish is in our SSE field of view. Most likely to be seen by us in pics from 11pm to 3am at our 151.5 degree bearing. Interestingly, early on we had been looking at searches from the criteria of the date being one of a Waning Gibbous. But we were not looking at the bearing, as we should have, at time the Q pic was taken. It has been a learning experience.

Finally, we were inspired to just look at the bearing to then see what low altitude Moons showed up each night.

>>11034741

Part 2- re the night sky sims tried in March 2013 forthcoming. Wanted to provide background on how we arrived at current search.

>>11034741

The dates tried in March 2013 were chosen because they start with a Full Moon and progress through a beginning Waning moon.

MAR 26- Time at bearing 151.5 degrees was 10:00pm with an altitude 30.36 degrees. Approaching next high tide: 1:27am. 7.05 meters. Time is too early for the restaurant ships to be closed. Also, the 30.36 alt would appear to be too high.

Discarded.

MAR 27- Time at bearing was 10:46pm with alt of 25.44 degrees. Approaching high tide at 2:06am.7.21 meters Too early again, and bearing appears still too high. Discarded.

NOW NOTICE THE ALTITUDES GETTING PROGRESSIVELY LOWER EACH NIGHT AS WELL AS THE TIMES GETTING LATER EACH NIGHT.

MAR28- Time at bearing was 11:32pm with an alt of 20.75 degress. Approach high tide at 2:45am. 7.31 meters 3 hours away. Time is after hours. Bearing is getting lower, but prolly still too high. Okay but not great.

MAR29- Time at bearing 12:22am(next day) at 16.94 degrees slt. Approaching hi tide at 3:22am. 7.34 meters Oops, TATTS closed at 3am on this Friday night. Discarded.

MAR30- Time at bearing 2:17am at altitude of 14.27 degrees. Approaching high tide at 4:02am. 7.30 meters Oops again, TATTS closed at 3am on this Saturday. Discarded

MAR31- Time at bearing 3;14am (next day)at an altitude of 12,'90 degrees. Approaching high tide at 4:41am (next day) 7.17 meters. Super low lunar altitude. Approaching high tide at 4:41am- just 1hr, 27mins away. (Think LMI6 pic with water level high and, as implied in ROT1, RS Hispaniola mooring) but still rising toward high tide.) And it is April 1st.

This may be only an exercise, but I want anons to see and understand for themselves what considerations are being given to weigh the possible date candidates and so anons can weigh the proofs with understanding. WWG1WGA

>>11035622

>This may seem like a nitpick, fren, and I don't mean to cause a detour so take this with grains of salt. The link between LMI6 and ROT1 would make sense but we have to establish a specific link via the pictorial evidence within the camera frames of each pic. I have not yet nailed it - but maybe others have covered that ground. The link/s might be fairly assumed based on the lights on the building in the background. But thus far that's not enough to link the pics chronologically.

I disagree. The MILLBANK building office lights configuration matches ROT2 correct? We know that office lights left on at night have a zero possibility of being the same on a different evening. Pedestrian targets link ROT2 (which shows MILLBANK BUILDING) to ROT1(which shows pedestrians but not MILLBANK BUILDING, *but shows a high tide on the same evening. Connection made from LMI6 to ROT1 this way: LMI6(Same Millbank building LIGHTS) >ROT2 (Same Millbank building lights)>ROT1(same pedestrians seen in ROT2.

All are on same evening.

LMI6 may be same clock time, it may be 1.5 to 2 hours before ROT1.

Let's take a moment to talk about what tides had preceded the after business hours high tide captured in ROT1. Did we agree that it was after 11pm? Did we agree that it was a high tide, looking at the mooring, and the fact that we have yet to be able to find a pic of the RS HISPANIOLA at a higher tide. Let's start with a high tide around 11pm. Logic provides that a low tide preceded that by approx 6 hours around 5pm? And the last time a high tide would have occurred approx. 6 hours before our low tide. That DAYLIGHT high tide would be 11am. Think about it for a while. I mean that. Think about the building lights being the same. Like fingerprints. When next, or previously were you going to expect to see the HISPANIOLA at a high tide again? I will answer. Looking backward, the previous high tide would have been in DAYLIGHT. The next high tide at night would have been on a different evening. Think the janitor cleaning crew and maybe some people working late kept the MILLBANK building lights the same?

Mull on that. Imho pics are def same evening. It is possible LMI6 is before the other EMB pics, minutes to maybe hours. But the Millbank lights, perhaps oreviously not given the weight they should have been given, are the clue that, for me, proves that the image in LMI6 is a high tide rolling in.

But if the restaurants are closed, and unless they were meeting at a closed restaurant, Why? An arriving photo and a group exiting photo?

>>11045954

To reiterate: Same evening; same high tide in both LMI6 and ROT1.

Millbank connects LMI6 to ROT2. Pedestrians connect Rot 2 to ROT1. Pedestrians and Yellow mack guy at bike station connect ROT to CH pics. The other CH pics are connected by man in a red cyclist jacket at bicycle station, but no firm connect to other EMB pics.

>>11047557

Nah. Just look at any downtown skyline. Lights left on all over the buildings. Not necessary that people are working. Maybe multiple night janitor crews.

>>11047690

Right. And Q needs emergency bread to be there, just in case.