>>11064775

>This vid captured the scaffolding without the hoarding/shrouding. The scaffold was built in tiers to the top of the spier BEFORE it was wrapped.

Okay, so the fact that they had installed a complete scaffolding, top-to-bottom, is enough indication to me that they intended to hoard/shroud the whole tower. Gud enough for me. Your bad news for my dates in MAR/APR 2013 is good news for anons.

Today I ran entire remaining months from SEPT2013 to APR2014. As far as trying to get a lunar altitude goes, the jury is in.

WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MAR/APR 2014.

Lunar altitudes from SEPT2013 to FEB2014, at a bearing of 151.5 simply are too high.

2013

SEPTEMBER alt. range: 38.60 to 54.77

OCTOBER alt. range: 44.69 to 54.61

NOVEMBER alt. range: 46.83 to 53.46

DECEMBER alt. range: 40.61 to 54.42

2014

JANUARY alt. range: 33.56 to 51.94

FEBRUARY alt. range: 18.99 to 50.14

OUR PROMISING TARGET MONTHS:

MAR2014 alt. range: 14.25 to 27.92

APR2014 alt. range: 15.83 to 21.44

I know you dislike bold statements, but maybe it is time.

Dig, Anons! WWG1WGAWW! Good Hunting, Anons!

>>11071724

Here is the target area.

>>11071795

(REVISED) PROMISING TARGET AREA CALENDAR.

>>11072429

It is still there. Unveiled in 1932. Observe the break in the festooned lighting. The Memorial is "in the way" and they had to terminate the lighting on either side of it.

Thank you for taking the time to research and look at the dig. We are currently looking at that white square shape to the left of Big Ben. Our best match(es), and prevailing theory is that it was installed some time in September 2013 and remained until at least the Spring 2014.

Currently trying to narrow the time when (2) things occurred with the Moon's position in Traffic Cam ROT1. The Moon must be at a bearing of 151.5 degrees from Hungerford Bridge, and it must be fairly low. A vid shot by the activist cyclist group captured it on Aug. 28, 2015 fairly mimicked the low position of the Moon in Q's pic. A night sky simulation of that date on Mooncalc.org site showed the Moon at roughly 6.5 degrees altitude. But that was from street level and 500 feet down Victoria Emb. Rd. It is thought that from way up on the Bridge, a Moon at a little higher altitude may seem to have a similar placement in relation to London Eye. Would think that our Q Moon can't be more than 7 or 8 degrees higher than the CM vid on 28AUG2015. Am uncomfortable with anything higher.

Ran all dates from SEPT2013 to MAR2014.

The altitudes from SEPT2013 through FEB2014 would seem to be excluded by their much higher altitudes. From a lunar match perspective, and green leaves seen in the trees of the Q Embankment pics, this is pointing us toward a week in MARCH or APRIL 2014.

Keep digging, Anon. Would love to see someone come up with someone's vacation pics from that time period either at the TATTS restaurant or lobby/bar pics in the CORINTHIA HOTEL in March/April 2014. That's just on my wish list.

Not telling you where to dig though.

But thanks for your help. We know that a person takes time out of their day to dig.

Thanks, Anon.

>>11063246

>With that in mind, 7/8 of APR 2014 could be treated as the most recent booked, based on the posted date of evidence that showed the winter form of the scaffold had been dismantled.

Well that takes out all of APRIL 2014 then, because the best dates were after 7APRIL.

Leaving a week in MARCH. Actually, the sweet spot is 3/20 (17.05 alt) and 3/22 (14.25 alt).

3/22 has lowest altitude, weather clear.

This dig is completed. ;)

What next?

Want to play a game?

>>11078236

What is a March Hare?

>>11078831

Yes. Have that data already.

Evening of 3/20. Bearing @ 1:35am. Lunar altitude 17.05 degrees. Approaching high tide @ 4:16am. Delta to HT 2h,41m. Weather was passing clouds until 1:50am overcast. Sunrise @ 6:01am

Evening of 3/22. Bearing @ 3:22am. Lunar alritude 14.25 degrees. Approaching high tide @ 5:31am. Delta to HT 2h,11m. Weather was clear til morning. Sunrise @ 5:56am.

>>11078557

Remember those DeepState emails involving a mysterious "Mad Hatter"? Wonder if they are involved here with the March Hare at a Tea Party. The March Hare is also associated with madness. The term "mad as a March hare" goes back centuries. A person who is mad was often portrayed with straw on their head, as was the March hare.

>>11079177

One is 1:22am which should be average bars. The other is on a Saturday, and even the TATT stays open til 3am. I'm guessing the TATT is no Studio 54, meaning a trend-setting hotspot. Ie not unusual in its closing time. My thots.

>>11079177

No buses, no motorcycles, to lorries(trucks delivering stuff). Cars going home.

>>11079177

I actually don't choose the times; the Moon dies. I stick to that bearing we got from Hungerford to London Eye. All I do is change the date on the night sky search(using that bearing of 151.5).

Perhaps a gud mental picture to thinksbout is to picture yourself as a kind of Medieval archer defending the castle from bad guys. From your castle tower you can only see a very narrow view out of your archer's slot window. Using that immoveable viewpoint, we just change the date to search. The Lunar mapping program gives the times and altitude that the Moon was at when it passed that (151.5 degrees) bearing.

>>11079427

Well, consider "last call" maybe half-hour before. This is what allows bartenders and waiters to count the money and tips. So, start that activity at 2:30, people out by 3, and at 3:22am, they have had 52 minutes to get it done. And, they do this every day.

>>11079537

>I have to ask: Since I got that bearing on a maritime site using the footbridge over to the center of the EYE, but we see the Moon off to the right, would 152 be better?

Good question. I don'r know! Just kidding.

It's kind of tucked in under it isn't it.? See pic. And we're not trying to land on the Moon. Just tryna see a fairly close time, and elevation that is a fair match.

>>11079835

The March Hare's name is Haigha. They say the pronunciation should ho something like "mayor".

The name reminded me of this lifetime peer of the realm, who served during our timeframe. see pic

>>11080540

>Who would splurge on such an expensive accommodation?

Someone who doesn't just stay at the Hotel. They have "residents" there. A portion of the hotel is "residences". The kind of persons who live there have titles like maybe, "Peer of the Realm".

>>11080540

>if you were staying in that part of the hotel, whether as a sleeping guest or a particpant in a meeting of the like-minded, would it not be expected that any flood lighting normally setup to promote the profile of the hotel would be muted or dimmed or shut-off?

Anon, I think you are on to something there, and it has to do with the lateness of the hour. You are right about the practice of turning off the lights after a certain hour. This anon stayed at a hotel with balcony facing the "front" or highlighted part of the hotel. I was kind of annoyed during early part of evening as I like to sit in anonymous obscurity on a darkened balcony taking in the view. Well late in the evening the lights on the balconies were turned off. I had thot of this but it never came up before. May be an indicator of very late hour/wee hours in our CH pic.

>>11080202

The March Hare is not to be confused with the White Rabbit. "Mad as a March hare." Connection to March Madness posts? Will dig on this later.

>>11081124

A Reuters article dated 31AUG2018 talks about ending a 5-year old SOLAR PANEL Trade War with China. From 2013? See fuzzy teaser at top left of The International ____. The teaser headline reads: SOLAR PANELS. THE EU CHINA TRADE (WAR?). Can't read last word. If you wanted to research the story to find out when it was published in that paper.

EU ProSun launched a complaint in 2012 but it may not have been acted on til 2013? Hope this helps.

>>11081624

>So the Q pics were taken AFTER this stall was removed - some time after early JAN 2014.

Wow. Very gud. As a windward bookend? Will be watching. Let me know if you want to look at something specific for lunar/tides in that timeframe. But I just kinda disproved JAN/FEB. And the dates for MAR fall after that accident. The first days of March are an invisible NEW MOON followed by Thumbnail Waxing Crescent moons. Utterly impossible to be those first days of March.

But we can try looking at early JAN and FEB again. Not knowing the exact moon altitude in the Q pic, all I can do is provide the data for anons. A complete list from that Mid-JAN through FEB.

Am not entirely clear on the finer points of the bollards- some missing, but one, then removed. Tbh, had been waiting for your full explanation in vid, but I trust in your understanding of it. Will be at the drawing board if you need me.

>>11081624

There was one day at end of FEB. Month started on 12th with altitude of 50.14, decreasing each night until FEB 20 with an alt of 18.99. But I thought that was still high.

But again, as I said earlier, the view from atop Hungerford could make a moon that is higher than the 6.5 degree Critical Mass moon appear similar against London Eye. Just don't know how much difference we can allow for in that. Looking.

>>11099881

Bank holidays had been on my mind. it was a logical end to tie up.

Funny thing. Yesterday, was trying to "sneak up" on the night sky sims from another angle. I went all the way back to 1st quarter moons and the other direction to third quarter moons (was thinking about pre-dawn, "go to work" traffic).

Half way thru, I realized: 1. It doesn't change the results (gets worse results), 2. after-work earlier evening results are during business hours, And, 3, I had already tried this! (before I was using the different night sky sim site).

>>11100511

About the March bollards- How long do you think it might take the family to find out the location of the tragic accident, so that they might start placing flowers there? Immediately? A loved one asking a policeman, "How did it happen?" Even a week after, is not good enough. Target dates don't begin to appear until March 16, and end on March 22, 2014. Absent pictures which are specifically dated after that accident, I am really leery of considering March. So, Jan/Feb 2014 then?

January's very best altitude was 20.91 degrees on the 23rd, with a 3rd quarter moon. February's best dates are: 2/21 alt 16.16 with a 3rd quarter moon; Feb 22 with a 14.60 altitude.

>>11099881

Seems there are no bank holidays within our remaining target dates. I think March is eliminated. What would you like to do?

>>11105692

They do look great. But the traffic accident on March 5 puts a roadblock up. Would have seen flower/memorial placed at scene of accident after March 5.

>>11106881

Most hotels, if not all, have "black-out" curtains behind the decorative ones anyway. The exterior lights should not be an issue.

>>11106881

Brings attention. If it were me, just close the black-out curtains. Why draw attention by 1) Obvious visual anomaly and, 2) the making of such an odd request/demand from the hotel staff. An entire floor? Could they be that stupid? If you just closed the drapes, the outside lighting actually works to your benefit from the glare outside the windows. Makes it more difficult to see if rooms are fully lit behind the curtains or if someone just left a light on.

To my mind, it's still useful for isolating the photo by time of evening tho.

>>11108418

Anon, I found this family vacation pic taken April 1. 2013.

Close enuf match on shroud?

That was a good lunar match date.

>>11108878

Sorry, forgot pics.

>>11109646

>Your piece of the puzzle narrows the time range to about 10 days in MAR 2014.

My pic was from 2013.

>>11110060

Dammit.

>>11110514

Can only organize so much. Once something's almost proven, anons zero in for the kill. Not ready just yet to request a Call to Dig. Would prol get ignored right now anyway. Q and anons focused on getting POTUS reelected. Would really like to nail this down on UK bread though.

>>11118516

Not sure what parameters of request would be. VidAnon hinting we are stuck with JAN/FEB 2014. But pictures of Jan/Feb look like trees completely without leaves those months. Anon says Spring 2014 is eliminated. Just a thot, but do those ad pics for Hispaniola need to be after Spring 2014? I keep forgetting reason(s) why stuff is out. Was thinking if there is a roadblock ahead. What about further back? Did they do some cleaning up at Westminster Palace in prep for the Jubilee in 2012 maybe? Could that explain Anon's objections to adverts near Hispaniola? February trees look awful bare. Found a June 2012 submitted pic shows I think scaffolding around the tower in question? Should we look further back?

>>11131742

Might be a typo but found a Wm shroud pic from Sept.2014 that looks like others from Oct.2013. Think it was there that long?

>>11132848

In case anons were curious about what is inside that sharp corner of the first floor of CH with the tall arched windows, looks like a restaurant. See pics.

>>11132740

>There is a period between 8 APR 2014 and summer during which no scaffoldl appeared there.

This would eliminate all of April 2014, and May 2014 from consideration then. Leaving only the dates in March 2014. As stated earlier, and with pictures of leafless London Plane trees in February, I doubt February could be considered either. pic taken in February.

>>11132740

>HISP advert boards do not appear in years before and after 2013-2015 period.

>>11132740

>Not included here is are two vids that are gud examples of the appearance of these advert boards, three in number, in summer and early autumn 2014 - shortly after the current bookend on the time range for EMB pics.

Anon, since you have the best grasp of the exclusions that occur, would you please briefly outline a calendar from March 2013 to May 2014?

For example, I think you described the time after January 7? as available? i think you said after April 7 was excluded? In response, I said that excludes all of April and May then, and that Jan/Feb should be excluded due to the trees being bare. Thus, leaving March 2014 then.

You could fill in 2013 for us, but I thought a complete and general map with, maybe included, "thar be serpents" would be most helpful.

It helps me, and new eyes, to see where we are at. And it tells us where we should still dig. Thanks vm.

>>11142705

>I understand that work could only proceed while Parliament was NOT is Session.

As a a workfag fren of mine used to say, "Let me just say this about that." Isn't it possible the shrouding could remain in place while work is paused, while Parliament is in session?

Also, have been mulling over how to reconcile low Moon in Critical Mass vid on Aug28, 2015 (seemingly) at same altitude level in relation to London Eye with that seen in London Traffic Cam ROT1 pic. The perspectives are obviously different. The CM view is a more, but not entirely, straight on view of LE across the Thames. The Hungerford ROT1 view is from a longer angle and possibly allows for a higher Moon altitude. See cap/diagram.

StellariumFag, You still lurking these days?

Have a request.

>>11159316

Excellent pic of target area. Outstanding. March 17. Think the trees might've budded in that week? I think VidAnon said to still keep April open just in case. Got a link for that vid capture, Anon?

>>11159642

March 17 is 3 and 5 days away from 3/20 and 3/22. Not much time for those trees in Anon's vid cap of 17MAR2014 above. It is all gud. That is a notable pic showing the trees looking like they haven't budded yet. Very helpful. No green in the trees? No problem. Maybe April should be looked at after all. VidAnon had idea of shroud appearing and not appearing in April.

Good hunting, Anons!

>>11160567

>the shroud appears to be on the way down.

Well, I'm not sure how you can tell but, so you know, that does not harm the possibility for April because our 2 best days that month are from 4/16 to 4/20. So, find that shroud up during those dates and that could be a match!

>>11157803

Am not very gud at decodes of deltas and mirrors so can't offer any input on that, but did you ever wonder if Q somehow fixed it so we could get a GoggleMap series chosen at just the right moment to match our Piccadilly G2 ad? I suppose someone who chooses the pic sequences at Goggle might be persuaded to use one over another. Just the right moment, on an electronic billboard. Super coincidental match. I like to think it was an Easter Egg to help us date the PCircus pics.

>>11159316

Btw, can confirm- nice COMFY high tide at 2:26pm March 17, 2014. It was 7.14 meters. Observe the TATT's gangplank in very similar elevation to that seen in ROT1.

Posting relevant tide data received from London Port Authority in response to my query for tide data for 2013/2014.

That vidcap posted is def NOTABLE as it 1) shows bare trees by 17MAR2014 and, 2) it shows a KNOWN tide to compare with ROT1 and LMI6. A great find.

>>11163827

Well, here's why I excluded 3/21. It's a Friday. The time that shows up when I make the bearing 151.5 is around 2something a.m. The TATTS would still be open until 3am.

But did you look at that gangplank on ST PATRICK'S? It may be even higher than LMI6. Which HELPS when a bearing time is an hour and a half or two hours before high tide. And, that tide on 3/14 was only 7.14 meters. Good enuf!

>>11163827

Oh, I see what you did. You were looking at when high tide had completely come in around 4am. I need to look at that snapshot in time (and literally) when the Moon was at 151.5 degrees centered with London Eye.

Sim says it is at 2:16am that day. But 7.14 would be plenty.

>>11163827

>Do you have any higher water level for the 22nd?

No. BTW, Check your dates for EARLY tides. Let me explain. When I posted info, I meant what occurred "that evening". So, it turns out that on THURSDAY evening, if you stayed up drinking and caballing with your friends, the Moon would be seen in LE at 1:35am(next day), and if you did an all-nighter, you would see high tide at 4:16am @ 7.21 meters(technically Friday).

So we're good. Sorry, I tried to always indicate "next day" for moon bearings and high tides.

>>11167192

Yes they do. Your pic seems to catch a 1st Quarter-ish moon which trails Sun by about 6 hours. (As Sun is setting, it will be in a noonday sun position.)

A waxing Crescent follows Sun by 3 hours, a waxing Gibbous by 9.

Some diagrams. Only had a moving diagram for wxg crsct and wxg gibbous. The 1st Quarter would follow at somewhat of a 90 degree angle. These are some "daytime" moons.

>>11171041

This vid might not be 2014. Sunrise, moonrise and type of moon don't match. See the guy in a St Pat fun hat dated 2008? I noticed but just thot he's using his old St. Pat's hat. Brakes on this vid. Unfortunately, sites don't go that far back.

>>11171657

Boris Bikes launched 2010. Will check. But to be clear, no moon should have been seen before sunset- only after sunset that date.

>>11171041

Am now thinking that "moon" at sunset above is a LENS FLARE. Vid is legit 2014. I stand by data from timeanddate.com. No moon should have been visible before sunset on MAR17, 2014.

>>11171041

>The screencap is from the ST PAT's vid of 17 MAR 2014. I'm not sure but to my eye the recording was made late in the afternoon, judging the length of shadows, at EMB and couple or moar hours later when that sun shot was taken. Could these bits and pieces help with the lunar/tidal analysis?

A look at shadow angles indicates to me, not so very late afternoon, possibly around our high tide @ 2:26pm that day. 7.14 meters. Help with analysis? Very much so.

Look at that match for high tide. Use this cap (with known date and tide) as a proof of a similar tide level going on in ROT1. This vid is even better than the Critical Mass vid find.

I am still in disagreement with you on trees in this vid. No green in trees in vid.

>>11174304

Seems to make sense. But, speaking for myself, just when I think it all makes sense, another pic comes up. If we can find no further pics of re-shrouding toward end of April or May, then that's it until Spring 2015. The trees will have their full foliage in Summer, turn their Fall colors in Fall then green again in 2015. When were the NEW bollards first seen again? That wud be the absolute final bookmark.

So if we agree on March (tho I don't think the trees look so green in that St.P Day vid, maybe) and all bets are placed, then we can look at the DECLAS stuff and emails that tell us who was in London at the time.

>>11175536

>>11177485

Roger that. A bit of "recce" on Piccadilly. Good Hunting, Anon.

>>11189923

I would not place too much weight on the small trees being lighted or not. The Q pics are possibly getting close to sunset but not early enough for the tree lights to be lit. Or, maybe not even sunset. Hence no lights.

From prior discussions and shared caps of SV, it should be noted that the COOL BRITANNIA storefront is North-facing and most often in the shadow of its building, perhaps giving a false impression of the hour being later than it is. See GoggleMap satellite view. My tuppence. But great progress you anons are making!

>>11208948

>Yes, in shade, however the lights would have been strung and there is no sign of that either. Might be a detail too fine to detect.

Don't strain your eyes tryna find those wires, Anon. ;-)