MILLBANK TOWER, lights on early evening. Top floors showed basic pattern that resembles pattern in EMB pics, somewhat. Reference point for comparison with other incoming dug MILLBANK pics.
Posted on Instagram, 9 months ago.
https://gramho.com/media/221413062173803
https://gramho.com/explore-hashtag/MillbankTower5471
Canadian background on WE CHARITY and perhaps what UK can expect.
While parts are in french, start around mark 7:20 for english.
Parliamentary games played in time of C-19. Provides cover. Newsmedia complicit. Money laundering being covered up is tip of iceberg, worldwide.
https://youtu.be/kc4atABYhrA
Confirmed, there may be fudge room on either side of the time range established by pictorial evidence of the winter form of the scaffolding at spier just behind Big Ben. Given recent reasoning of Anon that described the connections between EMB pics, advisable that we treat dating one of those pics as directly informing the dating of the others. That would mean moon info and tide info weigh quite significantly for the set of EMB pics.
With that in mind, 7/8 of APR 2014 could be treated as the most recent booked, based on the posted date of evidence that showed the winter form of the scaffold had been dismantled. Quite possible that it was in stages of removal over several days prior to it no longer being a visible presence in pictorial evidence. That could have been immediately before 7/8 APR 2014 or as far back as 20 MAR 2014 when the winter form was clearly in place in images dated by the person who posted it online.
This defines the fudge room to be found in the interval between 20 MAR AND 8 APR 2014.
As it happens, this is roughly in accord with the bollard evidence in pics that include the Corinthia Hotel. That bookend has its own fudge room which could extend farther into and possibly beyhond APR 2014 bookend just outlined for the scaffolding evidence. So that would not help extend outward the EMB bookend.
As for the other bookend, the earleiest or furthest into the past that the EMB pics would have been taken, well, there is some evidence of a scaffold over the spier in question - before and during the summer of 2013. Dropped an example from AUG 2013 in which the spier was enclosed in 3 levels of scaffolding, incluidng two upper parts that encased the top of the spier itself. If that pic is correctly dated in the stock photo database, then, it is possible that the lower 3rd of the scaffolding was in place at the time the EMB pics were taken but before the other two levels were erected. That lower portion holds enough of a resemblance to a Q match that this scenario can be reasonably taken into account and used to find fudge room in Spring of 2013. That would be subject to direct pictorial evidence that supports the scenario directly, ie. dated images.
This is a well photographed site so Anons who have some free time to dig could focus on SPRING 2013 and come up with the goods.
Vid posted 17 MAY 2013. Taken during a vacation trip so the scene could have been a few weeks earlier. Plausible. 3 tiers of scaffolding. Spier covered. Not Q match at this stage. Looks like summer form of the scaffolding.
https://youtu.be/pzj3vvsbvi8
Check out the treecover along the EMBANKMENT. Gud reference point for Spring 2013.
5 OCT 2013
https://youtu.be/SLYoM5JtonE?t=246
Winter form of scaffolding captured. Check the treecover. Not Q match. Gud vuew about mark 4mins.
The scaffold is a Q match but the treecover makes the 5 OCT 2013 NOT a Q match.
Summer form of the scaffolding, JUL 2013.
https://youtu.be/_iBfbKfB7Cc
For comparison with winter 2014 and, potentially, Spring 2013.
DEC/JAN 2013/2014, posted 6 JAN 2013.
https://youtu.be/Dc3T2O4vMj0
Hard to makeout for certain, but looks like possible incomplete scaffolding at correct positon, below support walls of the spier, down at its base on rooftop, glowing white area, about mark 3mins.
https://youtu.be/Dc3T2O4vMj0
Also see night vu of winter treecover along EMBANKMENT.
NYE, 1-JAN-2013
https://youtu.be/Dc3T2O4vMj0
Many views show no scaffold so provides extreme outward bookend. Maybe the best vu was about mark 7mins30secs.
https://youtu.be/4e8vfRTsFU4?t=453
NYE 1-JAN-2012
https://youtu.be/PDxndq4TP0M
That white glowing area, lit from within prolly, showed up a year earlier on NYE.
Posted 12 MAY 2013
https://youtu.be/PATZE9EghCo
Spier covered as in summer months.
Looking for view showing scaffolding in MAR-APR 2013.
13 APR 2013
https://youtu.be/i_ht_seiNFU?t=519
This vid captured the scaffolding without the hoarding/shrouding. The scaffold was built in tiers to the top of the spier BEFORE it was wrapped.
While this view does NOT show a lower tier wrapped below the upper two-thirds, this vid bolsters the plausibility of a scaffold having been in place at that location at that TIME OF THE YEAR, during 2013, without the top of the spier covered.
This is NOT a Q match, but may be getting closer. It was posted 2nd week of APR and, given the treecover and clothing worn by people in the vid, the images appear to have been taken during late MAR/ early APR 2013.
Note the treecover captured from the view from EYE.
Request anons to digg for moar images, SPRING 2013. Moar eyes the better.
Vid of APR trip, posted JUL 2018.
https://youtu.be/4DcVfEiDPy8?t=178
The scaffold is dressed from lower level to the top of the third, AND spier is encased. That is NOT a Q match.
PREV pic upbread >>11064775 showed uncovered scaffold in Spring 2013.
Another prev pic upgread >>11056989 showed it covered in MAY 2013. That was a match for the summer form captured in JUL 2013 >>11063514 and in AUG 2013 >>11057125 for two clear examples.
Now, this image shows the summer form, fully covered from lower tier through to above the spier, during a trip in APR 2013.
If there was a partially dressed version of this scaffold, it would have been captured in vid or pic during a brief interval in which the scaffold of the top two-thirds had been removed as well so as to have presented a match with the Q pics of spier heads above all scaffolding. Not likely, imo. If this vid was captured just prior to the scaffold being dressed, then, there was no Q match during Spring 2013 - unless the upper scaffold was removed for some reason, for that shor ttime.
As things now stand, we have images that do NOT match Q in JAN 2013, MAR 2013, APR 2013, MAY 2013, JUL 2013, AUG 2013, and through to the winter form that does match Q. That form first appeared in late SEP/ early OCT 2013 and remained at least until 20 MAR 2014 and possibly into first week of APR 2014. We have uninterrupted Q matches through that period of time.
This conclusion,such as it is, can be tested. Need a dated image of a Q match before the winter form was in place. Just the lower tier covered, spier uncovered above, and no scaffold around the spier above the lower tier.
I am dissapointed not to have found what would make for better fit with the lunar and tidal info. Perhaps we might take another look at the basic paramaters for figuring how that info fits the Q pics. For example, is elevation of vantage point on bridge being estimate of sea level and, then, embankment level at that location? Could comparison with the Critical Mass images be made by triangulating the moon from at least two vantage points from street level within the CM vid? Could those fixes be compared with bridge-height vantage extrapolated onto one or both of the vantage points extracted from CM vid? Asking because IDK the answers and because continue to wish to encourage tidal and lunar anons in the pursuit of evidence that will be key to date the EMB pics.
WWG1WGA
Here is the screencap of the correct position on rooftop behind Big Ben. It is farther forward than the spier that is partially scaffolded in the early part of the vid of APR trip.
See mark 2mins 50secs.
If we are to leave no stone unturned, could check farther back to check for scaffolding during 2012 as per the NYE images captured 1 JAN 2012. Would such a search fit the other evidence, Anons, or would it be an unnecessary use of limited resources? Please advise.
>Would love to see someone come up with someone's vacation pics from that time period either at the TATTS restaurant or lobby/bar pics in the CORINTHIA HOTEL in March/April 2014. That's just on my wish list.
Posted APR 2014 On the TATT
https://youtu.be/_hvkS4VvbzU
Noice diggin, Anon.
Corinthia Hotel, commercial, shot during 2014, posted 5 SEP 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzo5krvQKi0
Anons will see the inside, including the lobby, as well as views from the balconies.
AND wait till the ending bit. Look for the bike hire docking stall that had been removed by the time of the Q pics of CH.
The advert of that scene was recorded at night some time before the fatal accident, based on the bollards analysis. Compare the way the building is lit in the advert and the NIGHT PICS that Q dropped on the board.
May feel counter-intuitive, at first, but if you were staying in that part of the hotel, whether as a sleeping guest or a particpant in a meeting of the like-minded, would it not be expected that any flood lighting normally setup to promote the profile of the hotel would be muted or dimmed or shut-off?
Who would splurge on such an expensive accomodation? Not FBI agents, methinks. Sponsor? Extravagance taken for granted by whom?
In this commercial, look for the elevator floor dial. Screencap it and examine closely. Won't signal you with my own bias. Look and think and research and let's see if we come to common thots on the matter of the CH at night in Q pics.
There is a building, attatched, on Whitehall, which is all residential units, 'apartments'. There are about 10 balcony units on that part of the operation - in the rear, as it were, from the perspective of the facade of the hotel we see in Q pics.
Someone with loads of moolah and someone who either enjoys new money and buys status with such splurging … or someone of old money who takes it for granted even when hosting 'guests' of the lower ranks of the 'nobility'. Or 'lovebirdz'?
Date on newspaper, mark 1min, reads as follows:
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 2013.
Looks like 2013. Could be 2012. Anyway, not 2014, feeling sure about that. It is interdasting that this clip within the advert would have been moar than a year older than the published date. Prolly coz was made for different type of release. This now casts doubt on earlier assessment about dating the pic by the appearance of the docking station in the near-closing clip of the hotel exterior. Too ambiguous for my liking so cannot count it as making a tighter bookend for CH pics. Abundance of caution maybe.
The date on the newspaper, about mark 1min, reads as follows:
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 2013.
Looks like 2013. Could be 2012. Anyway, not 2014, feeling sure about that. It is interdasting that this clip within the advert would have been moar than a year older than the published date. Prolly coz was made for different type of release. Other shots might be moar recent, such as the hotel exterior. The shooting might have been piecemeal and the schedule was all over the calendar with a long interval before post-production. Sloppy, maybe, but not too uncommon. Or they just had loads of shots in the can and used what they had on hand. That would be economical.
Anyway, gotta stick with the evidence and correct myself.
This now casts doubt on earlier assessment about dating the pic by the appearance of the docking station in the near-closing clip of the hotel exterior. Too ambiguous for my liking so cannot count it as making a tighter bookend for CH pics. Abundance of caution maybe.
On the other hand, got pictorial evidence that the docking stall was in place during the Christmas period 2013/2014.
https://youtu.be/pUPxs6dVzhM
This vid shows a closeup of a screencap from a recording made at the cusp of the New Year, during a couple of weeks in dead winter, late DEC and early JAN.
This was one of two stalls at the bike hire docking station by the Corinthia Hotel. One stall was removed, this one depicted here, and another which remained as seen in Q's CH pics.
In CH1, for example, there is only the remaining stall; the scars or marks left behind from the removed kerbside stall can be seen as square 'scars' aligned on the sidewalk.
So the Q pics were taken AFTER this stall was removed - some time after early JAN 2014. But before the fatal accident in early MAR 2014. This would narrow the time range, for the CH pics, to an 8-week interval.
But this bike stall evidence is in conflict with the evidence from summer of 2013 which showed no stall along the kerbside. Before making definitive statement on this, will need to double check the period between 4-AUG-2013 AND early-JAN 2014 for presence of this stall.
Let's put that detail, very significant as it may be, on backburner for now and return to the EMB pics.
Moar …
…continued
In light of what has been learned about the scaffolding on rooftop behind Big Ben, and the best dates drawn from the lunar and tidal info, what, if anything, prevents conclusions about latest that the Q EMB pics could have been taken?
As Anons have previously discussed, the EMB pics are likely connected closely in time to the CH pics. ROT3 is the third pic taken with the Traf CAM which appears to have rotated from left to right, pointing up the EMBANKMENT and panning to the Corinthia Hotel. So ROT3 can be counted as a CH pic due to its content rather than its filename or the series in which it was posted by Q.
ROT3 shows the bollards and islands in the same condition as in the other CH pics. The bollards changed after the fatal accident on 5-MAR-2014 AT 6:00AM. But how soon after?
We've discussed fudge room around that date. The temporary frame bollards - which fold open and stand on four legs - were in place by some time in MAY 2014, according to SV images. These frames are not difficult to setup, when on hand it would take a few minuts, and typically temporary signs are in place shortly after an accident has damaged permanent bollards.
However, in this case, two of the three bollard positions were already empty before the accident; and it was the third hooped style bollalrd, with two legs fixed into the pavement, that remained after the accident until replaced by permanet one-legged rebound bollard. So, did the City act as rapidly as previously assumed?
We do not yet have direct evidence to show when the frames were setup at the islands. Given how the previously damaged bollards had been left unreplaced for long stretches, and given that the 3rd and remaining hooped bollard stood its ground after the accident, it is plausible that no changes were actually made for weeks.
Now I do not wish to overstate the fudge time on this bookend. Yes, tempted to find some way to shoehorn the best dates from tidal/lunar info, but we have stuck to the pictorial evidence through thick and thin. We are very close to firming up this bookend quite nicely. What next might we dig to reconcile the EMB pic dating to the CH dating?
Which will inevitably return us to the conflict in the pictorial evidence for the bike hire stall at kerbside. But for now, we have good direct evidence for ROT3 as it is part of the EMB series. First task then is to confirm for ourselves that the connexion between ROT3 and EMB pics is rock solid. I reason that it is closely connected but do we have direct evidence?
Second taks is to dig for evidence that the frames were in place at the islands within the time range we have for the EMB pics.
Hard slogging all the way.
Related vid.
https://youtu.be/mtgu3AMXM1Q
Counted as a blessing, Anons. Gud werk leads to moar challenges. There is enough substance in the overall digging on these London Pics that getting over the finish line will be worth it. Remember that our mission extends beyond the immediate. Loads of new eyes far and wide will review the results of what we do here. Not necessarily the winding path, but the results surely. And while we are not in the field fighting alongside the white hats, we dig and we pray and we prepare the way as best we can.
WWG1WGA
From the description for that vid.
Find the markers. Street surroundings/updates.
Look for the two stalls of the bike hire docking station.
The stall along the kerbside would be removed later.
Look for the colour scheme of the TATTERSHALL CASTLE funnel.
It would later be changed from white on top and changed again.
Look for the two-way traffic lanes and note the turning lanes.
Later the through lanes would be reduced and a turning lane eliminated.
Look for the parking areas and the types of occupants.
The street parking would change later. Push bikes power changes.
Look for the location of the TATTERSHALL CASTLE.
She would be unmoored and moved, twice, later. Once for a tunnel.
More? Think timeframe. Think seasons. Think moon phases.
And ask what lifts and lowers boats? What leaves and comes again?
What veils tippy top work but is just out of sight?
Some say yes and some say eye and some can only try.
>>11081124 Thanq Fren. That encouraged me to take another looksee. Occam's razor. CHECK THE CALENDAR DUMMY, I said to myself. Kek.
FEB 20 was a Wednesday on the newspaper and, yeap, a Wednesady in 2013, too.
check out night shot, stockphoto, different lighting around windows.
https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/the-corinthia-hotel-london-at-night-london-england-royalty-free-image/1211823380