Near end of prev bread Anons posted and discussed newly dug pics of the junction EMB/NORTHUMBERLAND.
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SECONDED on the buns, fren. Extra werk for the long term benefit. Yugely appreciated. Know tht there are lurkers who never post but depend on organization for hop-on-hop-off.
EMBANKMENT and The Corinthia Hotel pics.
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In the 17 MAR 2014 vid of St PATs there appears to be no advert boards at the entrance to the HISP's ramp.
Anons please doublecheck on this with your own eyes. For a Q-match need 3 advert boards. These appear in MAY and JUL SV images and, with slight change to related signage, continued through autumn 2014. These boards may have appeared earlier than MAY - BUT 17 MAR 2017 may be close to the NOT BEFORE bookend, if we can find direct evidence of those adverts before MAY 2014.
Significance = much fudge room for noicely fitting tidal/lunar info if the adverts appeared BEFORE the takedown of the scaffolding behind Big Ben in APRIL 2014 - the NOT AFTER bookend.
Which brings us to …
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In the stock photo of 2 MAR 2014 the bollard positions appear to be a solid Q-match. The first indication of a change is recorded in SV MAY 2014 when the temporary frame bollards are captured.
The suppostion that the frames would have been set up immediately or very shortly after the 6;00AM 5-MAR-2014 fatal accident may be challenged by direct pictorial evidence within the daytime Q pic of The Corinthia Hotel. It appears that there may be the beginnings of an improvised memorial at the farthest bollard (farthest from camera) which is the lone standing hooped bollard on the easterly traffic island.
What do I mean by 'the beginnings of', you might ask. Kek, I asked that of myself - talking outloud when the penny dropped. Anons, please take a close look at CH1 and tell what you see.
A) Two people, one very short, walking or standing at the kerb of the island. The short one wearing white.
B) Or two people, of whom one is seated on the kerb, and so would appear shorter, facing the hotel. The other standing nearby.
C) Or one individual, in dark jacket, holding something white, such as flowers or a bag or a bristolboard.
In either case, look closely at the two bollard positions and in-between - on that island. What do you see, if anything, beyond what appears in the 2 MAR 2014 stock photo?
Look at the original pics, compare with the best-dated pics/vids we have found - in last bread - and come to your own notion of what you see.
Is the memorial already in place by the time the Q pics were taken? And did the week of St Pat's harken the 6 targets to the scene?
Of the suspects, we have considered those of Iranian heritage. But there are at least a few of IRISH heritage, yes?
CORRECTION
>These boards may have appeared earlier than MAY - BUT 17 MAR 2017 may be close to the NOT BEFORE bookend
These boards may have appeared earlier than MAY - BUT 17 MAR 2014 may be close to the NOT BEFORE bookend.
17 MAR 2014.
not 2017.
Apologies.
Here is traffic island close-up from enhanced CH1. And a 2 MAY 2014 image that shows where the frame bollards would be positioned.
Waiting for enh version of 2 MAR 2014 sotck photo to render. IF it is useful, then, will post that but in meantime look at the original in prev bread. Compare.
The London parade is promoted, by Londoners, as the largest outside of Ireland. Brennan and Comey are of Irish descent. So is Biden. Others that, by surname, might also be green, including John P. Carlin and NoNAME. Prolly lots of others who lay claim to the fame when it suites them.
>looks like a parent with child, imho.
TYAnon.
Thot that, too, at first. An adult holding a child's hand walking away from the camera. However, compare with the 2-MAR pic.
The bollard and the surface of the island at the other bollard position and in-between the two ends of the island. The intact bollard looks a bit padded in CH1, resmbling the covering that was part of the memorial. In SV images there are vases and other objects that problly rolled or spilled with wind or traffic brushing by. The memorial was tightly taped on in some images.
Then there appear to be other people standing by at the sidewalk kerb, facing the island - posed as if in attendance. Could be waiting to cross regardless of whatever the other individual at the islands was doing, sure. Maybe not.
Look again at the person at the island. If walking with a child, don't the legs look oddly positioned? And the shoulders. To me, the person in dark is heading toward the kerb, stepping onto it, and carries something in left hand slightly pointed toward the camera. There may be an object on the ground that the person is about to gather up - darker object just by the feet of the hooped bollard. Maybe something blew over and rolled. There is another object by the other bollard position. Compare gainst 2 MAR pic.
It is blurry and not very obvious, either way. Gud to have moar eyes on it. We all can doublecheck and compare with other images such as those in SV.
If the lunar/tidal info applies, meaning week of the 17th, and APR ends up being a possiblity at least for the daytime CH, then, this is how it cold fit together. Not selling anything. We have evidence to reconcile somehow.
Cheers.
Likey. Shows lanes very well - before the changes were made in year after the time range of Q pics. Gud for comparison to make the point. TANKS.
Here is time lapse from over river, AUG 2013.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jppdxwspAD4
Not a prob, fren, the NY parade is prolly bigger. Londoners promote theirs as biggest in EURO outside of Ireland. About 125,000 show up to watch. The festival is few days so that's pretty big too. Think NY has at least 120,000 in the parade itself so yuge.
Noice view of the reduced lanes. See how the copper had to zig in and out of the oncoming lane. There is a turning lane under the bridge with just enough length for him to squeeze thru.
If you come across vids of motorcycle paramedics on the go, worthwhile to watch and enjoy.
SEP 2013, mark 06mins20secs, drive Northumberland from TRAF to EMB. Play in slo mo to see traffic islands and bollards by CH and thru junction. Gud view of scaffolding at Big Ben.
https://youtu.be/w_IvW7ncyOM
Not to fault the mourners, but the memorial was quite bulky and wrapped on the bollard. Taped down very securely in various ways across time. The family or friends might have created a safe memorial, sure, and that would stand well considering the accident. Still, look at the pics provided upbread. The sides, if not the blue side, resemble the way the memorial bulked up the edges. IF it had been up and blew off or was taken off, only to be refixed, then that might explain the bits and pieces on the surface of the island that are in CH1 but not in 2-MAR pic. If the memorial, being in the middle of close traffic of all kinds, was not secured well, then, it would pose a hazard to some extent, anyway. See the vases there. And loose photos or wrappings would pose a similar problem until secured well.
So two things can be true at the same time. The mourners took care to both secure the memorial, perhaps early on over-doing it even, while they took care, also, to not create a hazard. Bit of trial and error.
As I said, it looked to me like the beginnings of a memorial, perhaps, in CH1.
In addition, consider that there was a frame bollard in place to face oncoming traffic, anyway, so the hooped bollard could be safely wrapped all around if need be without jeopardizing the safety of oncoming cyclists, motorcyclists, vehicles.
Now, it may be that the frames were put in place after the memorial. Upbread or in the prev bread I said that the penny dropped, for me, when it seemed sensible that the family and friends would have acted more quickly than the City at that traffic island after the fatal accident. The City had replaced bollards in this location more than once, and took weeks or more to even remove damaged hooped bollards. Even now, in recent years and in current SV images, there are missing or damaged bollards. Mourners need only to band together and attend to it in their own way and time. As clearly they did so for a few years. Durable in repetition but not in the makings. Reminds me of the additions people make at cemetary stones for months or years after burial. Indeed, it is almost as if they had no plot to attend and this was perhaps a substitute. IDK.
What do you see within the frames. Start with that.
Sorry my text was not clear. And maybe I misread yours. Did you intend to say that avoiding the blue side meant the other side and the edges could not appear bulkier than in 2-MAR?
CH1 does not show the blue side so that is not really at issue. Not sure why you think it might be unless my text suggested it had to be covered so as to look bulkier in CH1.
CH1 pic vs the 2-MAR pic. Next compare with other images such as the few from SV I posted whch show the frame bollard facing oncoming traffic.
if, at first, there were no frames, like in CH1, then it would fit your belief that they'd avoid covering the blue side. If they had difficulty doing both - take care to not make a hazard covering the blue while also securing the memorial - this may have prompted the sort of heavy taping that is evident in MAY 2014 SV images. And that could prompt back and forth with the City or even amongst themselves. Setting up the framed bollard would neutralize concern about the blue side of the damaged - bent over and unlit low visible - hooped one.
Here's a screencap from vid recorded MAR 2014 that showed the memorial had blossomed - looked larger than in MAY - and the wrapping was stuck fast on the edges and westerly side of the hooped bollard. Again, in CH1 don't see the blue easterly side so that is not at issue. The hooped bollard, to my eye, looked bulkier that in the 2-MAR-2014 pic prior to the accident. This is the key comparision - CH1 v 2-MAR.
And then look at the surface of the island between the two bollard positions there - in CH1 v 2-MAR.
Yeh, that seems likely. Just raising the question would prompt the City to put of frames. And if the family and friends were adamant about the memorial, then, safety would necessitate the temporary signs all the more. The evidence in pics shows they did prove themselves persistent. Maybe a small victory of sorts.
Unfortunately, the bollards have not been well maintained in subsequent years, as per the images we have collected now.
The material is taped to the sides, not merely the back side, fren. Also partially taped, with clear tape, across portions of the front or blue side. The wrap is around the edges, not encompassing the entire front side.
Anyway, do you see any diff between 2-MAR pic and CH1? Bollard and surface of traffic island?
COOL BRITANNIA, no trees by 12 FEB 2014.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gisellalandolfi/12661040985/in/photolist-khP9o6-kSRn8M-jQk8uc-jQjhXp-kq2uDi-kSRohk-kSRnLa-jQmxFN-jQjiz6-kiZPJ3-jZgZuC-jQmy1q-kK6aQr-r6xGHy-jQmxW7-nMJ6vL-kiY7C6-kgjJ3x-jQjjvz-sGTdKS-jQkbvx-jQmzCo-kX6SaS-jQkaAM-kjZK2k-jQjjPR-jQkbS4-jQkb1z-jQjkTp-jQjmr8-jQjkwT-jQmyq3-jQkbax-o8x7xr-jQmAFW-jQmB2q-jQmBAw-kX6cNk-jQkdWe-jQkcA8-jQkfTa-jQjn8i-jQjnJD-jQkeor-jQkgmV-jQmE5j-jQkfjp-jQkedM-jQmC8d-jQmG13
In original image there's a high fullish moon.
Taped to the edges/sides of the round part of the bollard. Taped to legs all around. Taped across portions of the front sides just beyond the edges. This seems like a side issue, really, and not a show stopper.
The basic observation, which if not seen is not going to convince anyone, is that in comparison with the 2-MAR pic there is a difference on the bollard which I've described as 'bulkier'. Did not say it was a full-on memorial as seen later but 'the beginnings of'. That may be a mistaken inference from what has been observed.
Not selling it just communicating it as clearly as am able. Obviously not trying to convince a jury. That is beyond the scope of the dig. Looking for clues or leads to follow given the previously dug evidence.
>A) Two people, one very short, walking or standing at the kerb of the island. The short one wearing white.
Snippet from an example of a news story about roadside memorials in UK.
In Merthyr Tydfil, the tributes will only be allowed where it is deemed safe and appropriate and they will be removed after three months.
Merthyr Councillor Brendan Toomey said he had seen people putting themselves in danger to reach accident sites, including an adult crossing a main road with a young child to lay a tribute.
He added: "I've witnessed several incidents on the roads of Merthyr Tydfil very recently where people have been crossing the main highway to place tributes."
AND here is a link to a photo posted by the sister of the accident victim on a website organized to raise money for a charity in his name. He was uncle to her young son.
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/jumpingforjohn-nathalie
The John Paul Memorial Fund specifically goes towards helping children and young people and gives them the opportunity to attend residential and non-residential courses in drama, music, film or sports. All things John loved. The fund also awards three Bursaries a year to individuals that deserve special recognition. These projects develop not only the youngsters talent, but also their confidence, people and life skills and helps them towards reaching their full potential.
In scrutinizing many vids and pics of this small section of London roadway, not many children have been spotted on the walkways much less at the traffic islands. Not to say it does not happen but that it seems to be rarely caught on camera during regular daytime hours - let alone at dawn as in CH1. What to make of that is up to Anons. Not much of a reach to think that if CH1 captured a child walking hand-in-hand with an adult - perhaps parent - at that particular site that it might well have been mourners. The objects and such on the traffic island may be ambiguous indications of the beginnings of a memorial there. IDK.
Sometimes a dig generates clues and leads that go nowhere or that open up unexplored paths that lead to something solid eventually. That is what happened with the bus top sign on Coventry and with the TATT's funnel and with the HISP advert boards. Whence came the inspiration that recognized the moon or the levels of the scaffodling? Small details that at first ran to deadends.
Recently found much pictorial evidence on the bike hire docking station's first appearance and the removal of the stall at kerbside. This led to noticing the sometimes absence of the traffic camera that Q had confirmed - thru an SV image dated MAY 2012 - was the one that took EMB pics but which, in MAY 2014, was no longer in its place in SV images. Likewise it does not appear in the St Pat's vid that Anon dug up recently. Yet that vid is shaping up to be very close to one of the bookends for the EMB and CH pics. How was the missing camera first noted - at least amongs anons digging here in UK bread? When an Anon looked closely at SV IMAGES of MAY 2014 to compare a vid of a walk along the sidewalk near the HISP and the glimpse that vid camera gave of the traf cam location.
Sometimes we find these sort of 'easter eggs' and after taking note we move on with other matters that seem more promising. But now clues have returned to that missing cam again and again.
ALL this is to say that examining the details within the camera frames has generated more leads and clues which have, in turn, helped with the dating of these various pics.
Allspeed Anons.
A thot just occured to me, after posting about the traf cam. The EMB pics appear to have been taken from the same camera vantage point, which suggests the traffic camera had taken not just the ROT1, ROT2, ROT3, but also LONDON. If the camera was off its perch at some point during the time range, perhaps that could explain, in part, the on-foot camera that captured CH1, CH2, CH3 from vantage point on the footbridge. And LISA, also, natch. Yet all of these images are very similar if not the same in height and width format.
Compare the images and the vertical and horizontal lengths make it possible to sort the pics into sets. The EMB/CH pics all fall into the same set whether taken by the traf camera or by the on-foot cam. The WW pic of WILDE MAUS scene likewise. The WW pic pointed toward the ground stands apart in its vertical format but also its dimensions. Likewise the black box pic standsout for same reason, but uses different format.
The RED BUS and the two PICCADILLY pics are a set format-wise and as such are different from the other London pics.
Have Anons identified the type of mobile camera or phone that captured the on-foot images? Maybe the lense or the sensor. Used in other Q drops maybe.
Example.
typehttps://www.whatdigitalcamera.com/technical-guides/technology-guides/sensors-explained-11457
What are the odds that the sensor on the perched traf cam would be the same as that used in a mobile cam or phone in 2014?
So the images that Q dropped had about 1/3 black above the actual live pic area and about 1/3 black below. The total image area for the traff cam pics and other EMB/CH pics stood at 591 wide by 1280 high. The pic area stood at 591 wide by 443 high. That left a deadzone of 591 x 837 in each image dropped. What accounts for so much black or dead area versus live area? Is the black area used for imprinting contextual info such as timestamps and locations and camera ID and so on? That got wiped instead of cropped?
Not sure that a retail camera would have that kind of dead area and still be viable in the marketplace. Could the traf cam have been taken down and used, or its sensor/lense swapped out and used in a mobile application? Then returned to its perch. Memory card? Aren't security cam images handled by a system that archives DVR?
Quick check with Anons digging little trees at COOL BRITANNIA - please confirm or correct, we have images with the trees on 12, 23, 24, 31 DEC 2013, 1, 2 JAN 2014. And no trees in a pic posted 10 DEC 2013 and in pics posted 18, 22 JAN 2014, and in pic taken 11 FEB 2014.
So time range is before but possibly close to 10 DEC 2013 for NOT BEFORE bookend and NOT AFTER 18 JAN 2014. Looking like an interval of roughly 30 days or so. The NOT BEFORE could use some firming up.
That would be pretty gud considering that not so long ago we had a time range of 31 OCT 2013 to 23 MAR 2014, an interval of almost 4 months.
Please doublecheck the dates above, frens. IF this is confirmed, does it suffice do you think or should we expend resources to attempt to narrow moar?
Vid was posted 30 NOV 2009 snf in the notes the poster said, Driving through central London in late 2008.
Gud find as it shows how little the route changed between then and the realignment of the lanes at Victoria Embankment. If someone were to travel between the Q pic locations at PICCADILLY CIRCUS and EMBANKMENT, this vid shows the way noicely.
Along the way viewers can look for the following -
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Guardrail around PICCADILLY CIRCUS.
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SANYO had the spot on the big lights that HYUNDAI later took over - in time for the Q pics.
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No shack/kiosk at the corner in front of RIPLEY'S on Coventry ST.
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Christmas trees above COOL BRITANNIA location.
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Glimpse of the LG big screen light board.
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Old signage on ABERDEEN restaurant - red lettering on silver background was later replaced with red on black background. Later again ABERDEEN spot was taken over by ANGUS STEAKHOUSE.
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View down COVENTRY STREET toward COMMUNICATIONS HOUSE. Also showed the overhead Christmas decorations hung across the street. That makes annual appearance but not hint of it in Q's shiny red bus pic.
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Very gud sampling of winter jackets and such. Close to Q-match in that regard.
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Construction work behind green hoarding on TRACADERO.
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Very distant view of the site that W hotel now occupies - and did occupy at time of Q red bus pic but just out of frame.
Remember the Q post signed off with 'W'?
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View of HAYMARKET before lanes altered there.
Then onto TRAFALGAR and NORTHUMBERLAND. The route that connected the two sites would be a bit different on foot, natch, but in cab or rental or even bike this is the basic way that connects the locales. Both the Nz and Can - FVEY - consulates/embassies are enroute.
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Past the roundabout at top of NORTHUMBERLAND AVE and past moar than one RED BUS which used the avenue for bus stands.
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The traffic on street and sidewalks suggests Christmas shopping season. Also note the treecover for that time of year.
14 Next moved past the shrouded scaffolding up the sides of the series of buildings on the right, including what would be reopened as The Corinthia Hotel.
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Gud view of the hooped bollards, intact, on the traffic islands starting 3mins 53secs.
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Then a wait at the lights in the left/right turning lane. Vid cam takes the left turn into the second lane that used to be there before the changes to the lanes that were installed AFTER the Q pics. So this shows a fairly gud Q-match but with intact bollards.
Less than 10 mins in length but full of details that help to date the vid but also which provide gud late NOV 2008 reference points for our digging on winter 2013/2014.
Clarification, the poster of that vid said 'late 2008, which I mistakenly took as late NOV 2008. The vid was posted in NOV 2009. My error. The vid could well have been late DEC 2008 given the features on the street noted in the list in prev and given the actual description of 'in late 2008'. Hope the quick correction avoids confusion.
In that vid, starting 1min27secs look for the frame type bollards that were in place before the perm rebound ones were installed. This vid is JUN 2014 and by AUG 2014 the new bollards were in place.
Still looking for earlier evidence of a memorial, but this vid shows it was still there in GOOD FORM in summer 2014.
Here's vid taken 6 MAR 2013 on EMBANKMENT from Parliament thru the junction. Year before time range of Q pics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr6FP9FnSLg
Interesting around 28sec mark where get gud views of the parking on either side, including motorcylcle area near the junction. Note treecover too.
The poster dated the pic as taken 7 MAR 2013 but posted it on 6 MAR 2013.
Images blurred intentionally here.
See
https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/40-000-raised-in-memory-of-dalston-man-john-paul-clarke-who-died-in-tragic-motorbike-accident-1-5026802
Vid on FB, mark 3mins30secs
https://www.facebook.com/HackneyQ/videos/413777122602400/
Regardless of whether or not anons see what might be the beginnings of an improvised memorial at the bollard by the CH, at least we now have pictorial evidence that the memorial was in place, with the temporary frame bollards by 25 MAR 2014. That means the NOT AFTER bookend is previous to, but also close to, 25 MAR 2014.
The NOT BEFORE bookend shortly after 17 MAR 2014 - based on ST Pat's vid that showed less than 3 advert boards, prolly none at all, at the handrail on ramp to HISP.
Also have a 2-MAR-2014 pic that closely matched the Q pics of the CH, based on markers such as lanes, hire bike station, appearance of CH facade, bollard positions on the islands, and lack of an obvious memorial at the lone remaining hooped bollard. Treecover is fairly close Q-match, if not bang-on. And the capper may well be the window during which the tidal and lunar info provide a fair Q-match as well.
In sum, looks like the time range is shaping up to about 18-MAR to 24-MAR 2014, which would be an interval of 7 days.
Anons please look with skeptical eye and help to firm-up the time range where possible.
WWG1WGA
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPm0wPdQTjs
15 APR 2016, one advert board.on handrail at ramp to HISP. Pink colour scheme. Reference for identifying the, mostly bare, handrails vis-a-vis the entrance from sidewalk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOM5wfh5xdI
An enterprising on-the-ground journalist could resolve many of the questions that have arisen. Few in-person inquiries would go long way.
Will organize list of essential markers and what we GOT so far. For now, here are notes from my scattered notetaking over the months.
In vid of view from footbridge that was posted 18 APR 2014 now have -
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Three HISP advert boards.
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Scaffold partially dismantled. That is gud NOT AFTER BOOKEND for which need firmer date. Currently have posted date. May suffice if can gather image/s that include most if not all essential markers within the BOOKENDS.
Here is a working list of markers ESSENTIAL for full Q-match with EMB/CH include -
TATT funnel WHITE ON TOP and TATT in mooring position she held for decades. GOT both until JAN 2015. Eliminated winter 2015/2016.
TRAFFIC LANES in layout unchanged from previous 5 years or so. TURNING LANES are key. GOT IT in various vids/pics through to construction of cycle-only lanes summer 2015 to summer 2016. This eliminated winter 2015/2016. BEFORE the addition of cycle-only lanes, the layout did not change much for a decade or so, except perhaps some painted markings. Not all of these markings can be seen in EMB pics due to vehicles on road.
NO KERB GURDRAILS at sidewalk riverside and at pedestrian refuges on crosswalk at junction. GOT IT since removal prior to 2012 Olympic summer. That eliminated winter 2011/2012 and earlier.
MOTORCYCLE ONLY parking area near corner of Whitehall Gardens at junction. GOT IT from at least 2012 until lane changes 2015/2016, but not yet matched with Q pics due to this parking area being entirely unoccupied in EMB pics.
Related to motorcycle parking is lack of motorcycle traffic in EMB/CH pics. While that may not be a true essential, Q did specifically draw attention to vehicles on road.
SHROUDED SCAFFOLD at spier immediately behind Big Ben with 3-4 levels and spier exposed. Need to reconcile views in LISA with other EMB pics re the number of levels evident, but in all the shape is same and the spier is exposed. Lit from within at night.
GOT IT from at least early OCT 2013 when changed from form seen in previous summer months. GOT IT until at least 8 APR 2014 by which time it was fully removed. Also have vid of scaffold partially undressed and being taken down before or on 18 APR 2014. Made APR 2014 firm NOT BEFORE bookend. Previous and past iterations of rooftop scaffolding are not Q-matches.
Three [3] HISP advert boards. EARLIEST evidence of presence is from vid posted 18 APR 2014. Not present 17 MAR 2014 although one [1] advert board may be present. Not present APR 2013. That eliminated winter 2013 up to at least 17 MAR 2014.
These boards are present in SV MAY 2014 thru to SV JUL 2014 by which time slight variation in HISP signage appeared but this is fairly ambiguous in EMB pics. Vids from spring to autumn 2014 also show slight variation in a STREET SIGN nearby but this is very difficult to discern in EMB.
Related are temporary yellow signs that would have suspended parking in designated parking areas. One such sign near HISP entrance is evident in vid posted 18 APR 2014.
Related is the colour scheme of HISP entrance. This includes welcome signs and the like. Clear example is change to PINK theme by at least 14 APR 2016.
HIGH TIDE and BIG MOON are highly significant markers. Tidal and lunar info are relevant to time of year [WINTER], time of month [LUNAR PHASES],and time of day [LUNAR CYCLES]. Likewise, the TIDAL marker is related to the lunar season, phase, cycle - and vice versa. These two markers make for a unique match-up between themselves and as such are serve as the clockface of the scene in ROT1.
Tidal and lunar anons, please confirm or correct the above description of the tidal/lunar info in play.
The BOLLARD positions on pedestrian refuges or traffic islands near CH have undergone freuqent changes across many years. Of three [3] positions, only one was occupied in EMB.
Rather than repeat the details deeply discussed in this bread and previous, will just say that the presence of the improvised memorial and/or of mourners with memorial material on-hand may be become the definitive marker both NOT BEFORE and NOT AFTER. That is to say, this marker could define the most narrow interval during which at least one of the CH pics were taken. But cannot exclude any other essential markers on the same day or week. For now, the presence of the memorial in what appears to be its persistent form, rather than a possible earlier form, means CH pics were taken BEFORE 25 MAR 2014. This is also the earliest that the temporary frame bollards appeared in evidence gathered so far.
As it stands, the BOLLARD POSITIONS eliminated winter 2012/2013 and winter 2014/2015.
In this werk, Anons are the news.
CORRECTION
>The BOLLARD positions on pedestrian refuges or traffic islands near CH have undergone freuqent changes across many years. Of three [3] positions, only one was occupied in EMB.
Of three [3] positions, only one was occupied in EMB/CH.
Habit of treating EMB and CH pics as one series but prolly important to treat as closely linked as one or moar CH pics may have been taken at distinctly diff time – altho within same time range we have documented to this point.
Actually one or moar CH pics may been taken outside the narrowed time range for the EMB AND other CH pics. Can not rule this out, yet, I think.
As you are already aware, please tread carefully, Anon. Remember the caution Q advised and which is advisable with moar new eyes on.
>>11342112 Blurred intentionally.
Much respect.
Allspeed.
Length of coat mixed meaning?
https://www.ama-assn.org/residents-students/medical-school-life/meaning-behind-your-white-coat
WWG1WGA
When/how does a traffic island become a refuge? What is a crosswalk? Walk across? What is cross talk? Knowingly.
TYAnon. The time of your visit, FEB-AUG 2013, is just a few months too early for the time range of the Q pics. But you no doubt have pics that can be very useful for reference - for comparison and possibly also for confirmation of certain things that have been uncertain so far.
Here is a shopping list - or laundry list - or really a wish list. Kek.
On a monthy basis the moon changes and the particulars of its travel across the sky are connected with the time of month and season. AND that is connected with the height of the tide across each day. So, fren, if you have images that captured the moon or the tide height - any at all - that could be very helpful.
There is also the street level view of the junction that could be of interest to diggers. View of the entrance to either or both of the floating pubs - RS HISPANIOLA by the bridge and PS TATTERSHALL CASTLE closer to GOLDEN EAGLE MONUMENT. Look for their restaurant signs, street signs, parking signs, and in particular any snaps that may have captured temporary yellow signs that are attached to posts and such to give notice of temporary changes in parking such as for roadwork. Keep in mind the notion of comparisons with the markers in the Q pics that have updated or changed somehow.
Anons have asked about views from the deck of either of the two floating pubs/restaurants. Also closing times - which may vary across the week.
Another area is the front of the CH where there are pedestrian islands and, in our digz, bollard positions that may have changed exactly during the period you were there. Likewise, a stall for parking BORIS bikes - the blue rentals - was removed around that time. It ran along the kerb of NORTHUMBERLAND to the junction. If you have pics of it or of signs of its removal - such as men-at-work or just trucks or whatnot - that would be useful.
Do you have pics of The Corinthia Hotel? Would be interested in comparisons across times of day - especially re the lights on the hotel facade, including its signage. And interior to sort of match-up with images dug for the exterior.
Traffic and traffic lanes are another topic of interest. Pics or vids that illustrate flow at different times of day. Parking, too. Particularly the motorcycle only parking space at the corner near the junction. Also in general, fren, could you describe your impression of the traffic flow in general? Diggers have been interested in late night, early morning, flows and weekend flows that might help match-up with the Q pics.
And PICCADILLY CIRCUS, in particular the shopfront of COOL BRITANNIA which featured in the background of Q's two pics. The big LG light board would be interesting, around the time of your visit, too, again as reference point. Likewise the tube entrance by RIPLEY's. The bus stop area featured in the RED BUS pic would be cool as it prolly was unchanged, for the greater part, until early 2014. Did you take a hop-on-off tour?
HYDE PARK corner and park would be interesting, if not WINTER WONDERLAND itself. Looking for ways to match-up the location of theme park attractions with the moar permanent features like pathways and monuments or whatnot.
Can say that there has been interest in finding images of the old style double decker buses, known as Routemasters, in the vicinity of the Q pics. Wondering if you took a ride on one of the Heritage routes that was till available in 2013?
Please don't feel overwhelmed with the length of this wish list, it is just a '[start' and there will be time for overwhelming later. Kek.
Anyway, consider this a starter. I tried to be inclusive bu surely other anons will have their list/s too, natch. Priorities will vary and happenstance has been playing big part in the digz too. Post what interested you, too, Anon, such as views from THE EYE or other vantage points.
Moving parts. Not intended to point at targets nor playas nor PODs. Just moving parts. Date and match, only.
Man pointing ahead wore blue scarf in CH1.
Man on traffic island [in MAR vid] also?
Group of fresh flowers at memorial in MAR vid.
Group of women on island.
One man in group of women fundraisers.
Coat length/type.
Coincidences.
Blurring here intentionally.
Stimulate the almonds.
You nailed it, fren. Looks like gud ref for contextualizing the Piccadilly pics and the NZ consulate over shoulder of CH in night pics of CH. Got others but this is for 2013visit anon's list of whatlookfors.
Slightly burned almonds, are mine. But have you recognized the connexions even if mind's eyes are blurred? Have to tread carefully. Sorry for sidewaystalk mode on that.
>previous pics with shroud at a similar level on April the 5th.
Anon, please clarify by reposting that pic and its sauce. Much thanks.
With you, fren, it is like spinning plates sometimes but with loads moar at stake. Appreciate all you are doing.
Yeh, got some conflicting evidence on PICC but optimistic time range gud. Less optimimistc can make it gudder.
High fullish moon above PICCADILLY high-res photo. 12 FEB 2014. Gud reference for lunar? This currently stands as support for 18/22 JAN pics re NOT AFTER BOOKEND.
About 30 day interval 10 DEC 2013/ 18 JAN 2014. And 10 dec 2013/ 12 FEB 2014 about 60 day. Mid-month moon. Due to attractions in PICC CIRCUS not many moon shots like this one. Moon usally behind camera not in front.
Lunar info for Christmas week/ New Year week? Positives for trees at COOL on 23 DEC 2013/ 2 JAN 2014. Essential marker for Q pics at that location. Got fullish moon on 12 FEB 2014.
>With you
'With you' as in we are with you re tracking bread discussions/ time zones. Spinning plates, we are all.
WWG1WGA
TYAnon for the burst of additons. Noice screencaps with poster's date taken. Previously the time range for scaffolding was bookended by a 'posted on' date of 8 APR 2014 and a series of pics that showed the winter form of scaffold intact during MAR 2014. At this point there does not seem to be conficts with the dates on the pics you posted. As follows -
Jan 21st fair Q-match
Feb 23rd fair Q-match
Mar 9th fair Q-match
Apr 5th fair match with recent vid found that shows scaffold partially undressed, which would be a stage of it being dismantled. So, this pic firms-up that part of the NOT AFTER bookend. WELL DONE.
Apr 22nd This one stands out because it is dated after 8 APR 2014. If possible, please review prev breads for the pics and see if you can reconcile the form in place in the pic posted on 8 APR 2014 with the shrouding and stages of scaffold - its general form - in the pic you found that was dated 22 APR 2014. Prolly a matter of of stages of dismantle. This location is right above HOC and so werk could have been disrupted at any time - given occupation of the facilities day and night.
And 'MARCH 2014' - this one still fits within the time range so far recorded in breads.
REPEAT - welldonewelldone Anon. Team werk has pushed the digz that much closer to finish line. New pics can mean a testing of previous conclusions. Always welcomed.
TYAnon, that criteria can guide digz on PICC pics/vids should moon be spotted and a date taken comes with.
For anons hunting on the EMB time range, here is a vid that was posted in a prev bread that illustrates the connexion between four EMB pics. Might view slow mo or repeat mode for full effect.
https://youtu.be/SSfVL0_ZBwc
Another tidbit to keep in mind as we narrow the time range on EMB/CH is particularly interdasting given the combo of vid evid from ST Pat's [17 MAR 2014] and lunar/tidal info pointing at the rest of that week.
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>It struck me as significant that when Q corrected, or seemingly corrected, an error made in one of his drops, he did not say some variation of 'on the move' but rather said 'long day'.
Anon responded -
When do days again become longer than nights? Spring Equinox. Occurs around March 19,20,21. Days longer?
Explain the accusation. Be specific, please.
Meanwhile, screencaps.were not posted by ID e55ffb.
>>11368599 TYF
^^^
Noticed subtle diffs across the EMB pics re SHROUD and scaffolding lights.
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There appears to be a 'beacon' atop the spier and as such its beat, on and off, appears to have been captured as the Traf Cam rotated or panned.
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There may have been time diff marked between LISA and the other EMB pics. Appears that the left side of the shrouding was lit more on the left than in the others. Could be angle. In pic I said 'unlit' but less lit is prolly moar accurate.
Between the on/off light and the light within the shroud, we seem to have a time diff. How much, IDK. How to estimate?
Jolly good comeback, keeps. G'nite NURSE.
Among other things that distinguish ROT1 from other EMB pics is the sign that appeared on the riverside wall at the ramp to the gangplank. Has not yet been found in open source.
https://youtu.be/529L70cbn1w
Find it and nail the time ROT1 was taken.
When EYE is not open for biz the outer portion is lit with white lights like in this recent timelapse of sunrise.
https://youtu.be/5ii7YJm3asU
Main colour is diff than in Q but general idea is illustrated.
This snippet from documentary showed J Tower on rooftop of Westminster Palace aka House of Parliament. The spier in EMB is prolly not this tower but the repairs discussed serve as gud reference point.
https://youtu.be/bzykxJDPxtU
LISA enhanced and upscaled.
https://youtu.be/WLIkiqwZ_3Y
CH enhanced.
With highlights.
Ref for prev bollards discussion re man on island. Fresh flowers. Blue scarf.
Triggers shills.
https://youtu.be/o64Tz5gS19o
Enhanced classic for NURSE.
https://youtu.be/mXWl3kL3h4E?t=900
27 MAR 2014
https://youtu.be/wpF-_J_Tmvs
Will add to to-do-list, fren. For now here is an old vid showing night scene from bridge a JAN 2013. Vid used it as a timer, top right corner, and is repeated backward and forward. Thot that might spot something from recording not seen in stills.
https://youtu.be/sKkwBNf7qVE
There is no 'beacon' flashing over the shoulder of MILLBANK, at least in this recording. The lights on top floors do appear to go on and off rather shortly. Other lights in distance don't seem to do it. There are lights closer that flicker but prolly due to treecover in the mix given height and vantage point. There is a light or two on the water that flashes on/off. But generally no flashing or beating lights higher up above treecover.
Except for the on/off pattern atop MILLBANK. And the variations seen in EMB pics that were taken as camera panned over about 10-12 second duration - by my estimation. That is based on the time it would take for pedestrians to walk defined distances on either sidewalk at standard pace. The timer vid was made for that purpose. Watch for walkers movements, mark a start/stop, monitor the clock on top right corner. Figure averages. Can use pause and then the [.] period key and the [,] comma key to advance one frame at a time forward and backward.
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^^^^^^^^^
NOTABLE nom.
How much easier is to win from people what they hold dear than to take what they hold dear away from them and dangle conditions upon its return. The fight is not to win it back completely but the fight becomes to prevent it from being taken again. Depending on your mental state, degree of awareness, that fight begins before the GOVT takes it away in the first place or it begins as a reaction to having the percieved loss of what you hold dear and the perception that there are few if any alternatives to 'negotiating' your surrender. YOUR surrender means you have threatened your neighbours for it becomes harder for them when it has been made easier for you to willingly concede.
The strategy is clear. Instead of taking reasonable preventative actions early on, certain govts took extreme measures. That was far easier to do than it would be right now when the public is moar aware of the virus and have actual facts on trends rather than mere models. So think - if normal steps had been taken, then, walking back to normal would have been faaaaar easier and people would not be in danger of losing hope. Some hardship but not longterm extremes. YET when the marker is thrown down at an extreme, walking back to normal is prohibited quite readily by authorities who entrench stages, or phases, or tiers of lockdown. So people who are locked hard are hopeful not to get back to normal, that is too far, but to at least reach an interim tier. But then always on the brink of reverting or tripping over the threshold toward the extreme again. This his how compliance is setup for only partially walking back to normal.
Think of creating demand for certain measures, such as vaccinations. A population conditioned by extreme lockdown may be moar willing to take certain permanent measures to be at least walk part way toward normal. And other populations witnessing it will adopt such measures so as to avoid going through the extreme. Meanwhile, those populations closer to normal, or at normal, are fearmongered into permanent measures to avoid even interim steps toward lockdown.
PARTIAL LOCKDOWN becomes the new normal that people will deluded themselves into believing is always a possibility and always desirable just to avoid the most extreme form of it. This works like censorship. It works like political correctness. It works like all the political phobias that are hurled at kids on campuses to curtail their actions, their speach, their thoughts, and to manipulate their feelings.
LAB rats have been born and bred in our open societies in the schools and in front of tv boxes. AND thru high tech rapid manipulation of feeds online. This has all been laid bare by the WUHAN VIRUS project. It is not a virus that is to blame. It is the reaction to the spectre of plague.
Now, granted, there are politicos who always are opportunistic in jumping on any excuse. And there are cabal schemes, always have been, that launch experiments to see just what can be gotten away with. But this has recruited normies from amongst us. And compromise is living under permanent measures against goblins produced by gaslighting. Oh, people, be reasonable and be ready to don that mask or to curtail your liberties for the sake of OTHERS. It turns on its head the very notion of reciprocity, the notion of common good, the notion of natural justice based on guarding civil society as distinct from GOVERNMENT. It is the CCP model.
Being picked on, as the guy in the vid says, is just the beginning. There are soft places targeted all over the world now, including some states and cities within the bastion of the USA, that are being used to reset normal to be a slight walking back from the extreme lockdown. When these things are done do not believe they will ever be completely rolled back. It will stick like tar and it will be tracked into even the most normal institutions.
Think, those you trust the most.
Bakes, suggesting a modification to entry in notables.
>11307060 Street View image area of HISPANIOLA, first pic dated April 2015
That post referred to >>11305256 UK 23, and >>11294338 UK 23
The pic being discussed pre-dates the removal of guardrails at the kerbside at the junction. So altho it was posted 2013, it prolly was early 2012 or older.
Suggested modification - newly dug HISPANIOLA pic prolly early 2012 or older but very gud view of entrance signs and of junction lanes.
TYB
Should by way of explanation, the SV image is 2015 but used as ref in cont of prev bread discussion. Basic request is clarification so notable not misconstrued to mean the newly dug pic is 2015. Economy of text not my speciality. KEK.
>>11356809, >>11382353, >>11381326
Vid posted APR 2014
https://youtu.be/G7-aWjaIH1I
Have anons dug pics/vids re the film re Bollard accident victim? Stars undiscovered.
Here is a screencap from a vid posted 8 APR 2017. Provides daytime pic of very high tide during the interval in MAR-APR 2017 during which the PS TATTERSHALL CASTLE had been unmoored for a move upstream to her current location across from the junction of EMBANKMENT and HORSE GUARDS AVENUE. This a move made in prep for the TIDEWAY project that followed at the TATT's old location. The funnel is blue on top and because is after the refit that occured back in 2015. When you dig you will find the TATT underwent another change in colour scheme to its present form after the gangplanks were installed at her new berth. The funnel dates the pics. The removal and replacement of gangplanks dates the pics. Her location dates the pics. AND, perhaps, the tide is the most precise means by which to date the pics of the TATT.
Based on the following sauces, she was unmoored by 22 MAR 2017 [Wednesday] and remained anchored in her old position for about two weeks.
By 10 APR 2017 [Monday] she was awaiting the installment of new gangplanks after having been towed during a falling tide.
https://www.thamespath.org.uk/2017/03/22/tattershall-castle-reopens-upstream/
https://www.thamespath.org.uk/2017/04/11/tattershall-castle-has-arrived-in-new-berth/
As you read the sauces one might deduce that the unmooring prolly was on the Monday or Tuesday prior to the posting of the story, because the next story was posted one day after the TATT had been towed. That is to say, the poster seemed to get the story and pics posted next day or so. The reason I point this out is that the falling tide would have been on 20-21 MAR 2017.
Question, might this point to an advantage to start with tide on the higher side to gain the time needed, plus contingency, to un-moor the TATT and to move upstream and then to re-moor at new position? Hence the falling tide.
The tide in the new position looks fairly high to my eye but I am no boatsman. In any case, this appears to be a tide that might be as high or higher than the one captured in EMB pics. IDK.
But the point here, and perhaps it is obscured, is that the move was recorded in a video that opens with the camera pointed at a glaring sun directly overhead - with THE EYE in shot.
https://youtu.be/rev82Uj2mOQ?t=7
This vid of the TATT's move upstream has been posted before, but for completion's sake, here it is again regarding tidal observations. Day tide, sure but high tide during un-mooring?
https://youtu.be/rev82Uj2mOQ?t=7
Screencap of the spier/tower that had been under the shroud/scaffolding during rooftop repairs just behind Big Beng at Westminster Palace in the Q pics. Thot diggers might find satisfaction in getting a closer look at the features of this unveiled marker.
https://youtu.be/5n0ycD5AvFI?t=242
https://youtu.be/5n0ycD5AvFI
SCREENCAP did not post with embed vid.
The 2017 un-mooring, moving, and re-mooring of the TATT serves as a reference point to compare with both the TATT's appearance and with conditions during the same procedure in early JAN 2015.
Not that this directly impacts the digz on markers that date the Q pics. Moar indirectly, possibly. The idea here is that the gangplanks in place during 2013/2014 were near their end of life, based on the duration of the interval since her previous refit in which her paddles were removed and her colour scheme changed to a white-on-top funnel and red deck. Those changes persisted until 2015 and, oddly at first glance, changed again in 2017.
Old gangplanks. Old lighting? The management/ownership changed a few times during past couple decades. Seems that with each change in ownership, moar changes in appearance occured. So maybe the lighting on the gangplank was not indicative of old lighting and hence dimly lit during off hours. But seems to me that it would have been better lit even in downtime. Unless malfunctioned or just old and inadequate.
Digging for other pics of poorly lit gangplank. Others so far are well lit.
Aye, fren. TYA.
Proceed with caution, but please do proceed.
Questions are calls for answers eventually.
I may be mistaken, and so will look for closer views of the hooped two-legged bollard type, but seems to me that the bollard itself had hollow legs that slipped over the fixed pegs encased in the island itself. If so, then, prolly designed for replacement after impact. If not, then, you are quite right about the force to bend steel that thick. Could be tubular even if embedded in the island, natch. Expect these things are not made to withstand heavy impact but to give a bit on impact. Might be why it appeared bent but not sheered.
While reviewing the vid on TATT's chronology, noted a Q quote, Look there, or [here], or there. The truth is behind you. Q 128.
The one and only instance of Q using [here] in a post is post No.128. And it is all about maps. Review it and see how the London Pics digz have been guided by that post.
Right, what follows from this do you think? A flight of fancy or a path toward the truth? Anons can research and discern for themselves.
The punctuation in that quote follows the American convention of placing a comma between each item in a list of three or more items. Intuitively, this is not done by Brits, and not taught in Brit schools, but somewhat ironically this is called an Oxford comma. The namesake of this Ameican convention is the oldest university in England. Oxford Univeristy, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England. Typically, it seems to me, Q does not use conventional punctuation and sentence structure. Yet here we have that Oxford comma.
Alright, that may be happenstance [here]. However, to look behind is to look into the past, surely. It is also to look around from your 12 o'clock to your 6 o'clock. Another mix of metaphors where 'telling time' is how one orientates in the physical, or geographic, or conceptual frame/context. And so let us look behind us in these senses and see what we can see there, or [here], or there.
SV JUL 2008 images of the pedestrian refuges or traffic islands that featured in CH pics.
…cont
You said innocent and that may be so. It is a fair assumption. Hence caution is advisable for that and other reasons.
Examine CH1 and compare the pointing man with the man on the island in the vid upbread. This is about dating the CH pic first and foremost.
SV JUL 2008, PIC 1.
Vantage point is north side of Northumberland, east of the bollard upon which a memorial would be setup few years later. Note the condition of the two-legged bollards there. And the low kerb.
SV JUL 2008, PIC 2.
Close-up of the most easterly bollard, call it the memorial bollard. It is upright but there is something stuck to the edge on the right. Vantage point is middle of the street in the eastward lane and looking toward the back of the bollard. Note the rounded kerb here.
MAP of the bollard area.
Given the bollards IDs for sake of simplicity. This map includes compass in top right. Next map will be from different vantage point.
All SV images are from JUL 2008.
The tide captured in 2017 move of TATT were taken at about the same time of year as the time range we have for the EMB pics. Is there nothing to be gained in a comparison? Just 3 years diff. IDK, just asking.
BOLLARDS 2008.
PIC 1.
Looking toward bollard B, in foreground, and C, in background. The face each other across the gap between islands. Both bollards are damaged. Legs appear to be intact at the bend and at the foot.
PIC 2.
Looking toward A, in foreground, and B, in background. These bollards are back-to-back on same island. The face of A and its legs appear to be quite upright. The damage to the legs of B is fairly obvious. It has been rubbed or banged on its face, above its feet.
In SV images from later years, these bollard positions are sometimes vacant. By the time of the Q pics, B and C are missing and A is damaged in a manner very like we see in PIC 1.
BOLLARDS 2008.
PIC 3.
Looking toward bollard C in foreground, B in middleground, and A in background. The two facing bollards, B and C, are damaged while A is upgright as in PIC 1. This pic is pretty busy with insert pics of the bollards from different angles for comparison.
The insert for A shows something stuck to its leg, right of frame. Could be a bit of cloth or something like pastic stuck to it.
The inserts for B and C show the two bollards are bent away from each other, away from the gap between the islands, and away from the flow of vehicular traffic through that street crossing. Close look at B insert shows one foot lifted out somewhat from the surface of the island. Inserts for C show the bend appears to be against a stiffer part of the leg, perhaps a part that is embedded into the island and over which the other part is fitted. Looks like there is a weaker part of the leg just above the foot. There may be a base plate on the surface of the island - or that dark rectangular area may be mortar of some sort.
In all inserts there appears to be a round area in front of each bollard and embedded into the surface. That surface is otherwise bricks. Seems the bollards were designed to take an impact but to bend and give, or lift, at some stress point.
The legs of the bollards may have been fitted with a foot that is designed to break apart, possibly, like a shear bolt. Such would protect the underlying structure of the island and also the 'give' might prevent damage to vehicles.
Little, if any, sign of heavy impact on the face of the upper part of each bollard, with C being a possible exception. More like rubs where a vehicle may have leaned against the bollards as it brushed around the island.
BOLLARDS 2008
PIC 4.
This compares the same bollard, C, in SV images from 2008 and 2014. It looks like the damaged bollard in 2008 was finally removed in 2014. At least it has been removed and laying by its position. Look at the face of the bollards and compare - see the dark mark in same spot.
Close look at the legs of the bollard that has been laid down on its back and you can see the legs are hollow and have been 'torn' from the foot plate. Look at the position and you can see a peg or stub, or what is left of one, integrated with the footplate. The round shape looks like a different type of anchoring system for a different type of bollard, but IDK.
This is pictorial evidence that the CITY had left the damaged bollard in its place for about four years. The Coroner's report said that by the time of the 2014 accident at least one of the bollard positions had been vacant for about three years, IIRCC.
PIC 5.
This pic and the inserts are from SV MAY 2012. Bollard A in foreground and B in background. Their corresponding inserts are taken from a vantage point past A and looking back toward the island, about 180 degree turnabout. The contrast has been increased to illustrate the details of the inserts a bit better. Pictorial evidence shows consistency with the SV 2008 images of bollard A which was upright in 2008 and remained intact and upright in 2012. Close look shows something stuck to each leg, bit of pink or red plastic or tape. Bollard B was damaged in the 2008 images and by 2012 had been removed. This prolly was the bollard position that had been vacant for about three years as per the Coroner's report.
So this shows that of the two damaged bollards of 2008, one lasted until 2012 and the other perhaps a year less. The third, bollard A, is what would be wrapped with an improvised memorial by MAR 2014. In the 2012 images there appears to be remnants of some sort of decoration - possibly a memorial, possibly something leftover from one of the events that run through this route, possibly some bits of debris.
>Bollard A in foreground and B in background.
CORRECTION.
Bollard B in foreground and A in background.
Apologies.
Hereyago.
Compare with screencaps from vid upbread. And compare with pics from the following links.
https://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/40-000-raised-in-memory-of-dalston-man-john-paul-clarke-who-died-in-tragic-motorbike-accident-1-5026802
Vid on FB, mark 3mins30secs
https://www.facebook.com/HackneyQ/videos/413777122602400/
Those were blurred in previous post.
Agree that the written report did not match the vid and that your reasoning is bang on. My reading of the two sauced posts, quoted below, was mistaken. The gangplanks were removed by 22 MAR and due to delays she was not un-moored until 10 APR same year. Not unmoored and anchored. Gangplanks removed.
That had to do with the discovered ordinance beneath the old berth.
Thank you, Anon, for the friendly correction.
22 MAR 2017
https://www.thamespath.org.uk/2017/03/22/tattershall-castle-reopens-upstream/
>The PS Tattershall Castle is about to be relocated 140 yards upstream to be just north of the riverside RAF Memorial.
>The Tattershall Castle at present can only be reached by using small craft
>The ship, with two new gangplanks, will reopen during the summer.
PIC
>PS Tattershall Castle about to be towed upstream.
11 APR 2017
https://www.thamespath.org.uk/2017/04/11/tattershall-castle-has-arrived-in-new-berth/
>PS Tattershall Castle at its new mooring on Monday
>The PS Tattershall Castle was towed upstream on a falling tide to its new berth on Monday.
>The move comes three months later than planned.
>The gangplanks will be in place by the end of May when the 556 ton paddle steamer reopens as a floating pub.
CORRECTION
>PIC 4.
>This compares the same bollard, C, in SV images from 2008 and 2014.
Comparison is between 2008 and 2012.
NOT 2014.
2012.
BOLLARDS 2014.
SV MAY 2014 showed that the temporary frame bollards were in place, with sandbag weights, on each of the three bollard positions. The bollard A had become a memorial and its frame was positioned ahead of it, facing oncoming traffic. Memorial consisted of material, including a photo, attached to the bollard legs and the edges of its face, covering the backside. Also, candles and flowers and other objects were laid on the island surface beneath and behind the hoop bollard.
BOLLARDS 2014-2017
In the interest of completion, it is evident that in each subsequent SV series of images from JUN 2014 through to MAR 2017, the memorial is a constant feature at bollard A.
Beyond that there is no pictorial evidence of the memorial remaining, however, the family and friends had marked that spot for about 3 years which was well beyond the 3 months that is often suggested by traffic authorities.
Anon, since the aggregators make it diff for you, here is the text from Q 128 that I think carries special guidance for the LONDON pics. And text from other related - I think - Q posts.
Q 128
Trip added.
[C]oordinated effort to misdirect.
Guide to reading the crumbs necessary to cont[I]nue.
Attached gr[A]phic is correct.
Linked graphics are incorrect and false.
Graphic is necessary and vital.
Time stamp(s) and order [is] critical.
Re-review graphic (in full) each day post news release.
Learn to distinguish between relevant/non-relevant news.
Disinformation is real.
Disinformation is necessary.
Ex: US ML NG (1) False SA True
Why was this necessary?
What questions were asked re: SA prior to SA events?
Why is this relevant?
Think mirror.
Look there, or [here], or there, truth is behind you.
What is a map?
Why is a map useful?
What is a legend?
Why is a legend useful?
What is a sequence?
Why is this relevant?
When does a map become a guide?
What is a keystone?
Everything stated is relevant.
Everything.
Future provides past.
Map provides picture.
Picture provides 40,000ft. v.
40,000ft. v. is classified.
Why is a map useful?
Think direction.
Think full picture.
Who controls the narrative?
Why is this relevant?
What is a spell?
Who is asleep?
Dissemination.
Attention on deck.
There is an active war on your mind.
Be [p]repared.
Ope[r]ations underway.
Operators [a]ctive.
Graphic is essential.
Find the ke[y]stone.
Moves and countermoves.
They never thought she would lose.
Snow white.
Godfather III.
Iron Eagle.
Q
Had you noticed that the 3rd-from-bottom phrase lacked a capital W?
What Q post was signed, W?
Q 1034
Q !xowAT4Z3VQ ID: db01ff No.914569📁
Apr 5 2018 23:26:36 (EST)
Q !xowAT4Z3VQ ID: db01ff No.914510📁
Apr 5 2018 23:24:13 (EST)
>>914474
What fell from space recently?
Accident or retaliation?
Q
>>914510
When was Hussein in China?
Track events.
Timeline.
We are in control
W
Recall that Timeframe has appeared in only one Q post and it focussed on guidance on LONDON pics via CLAS_WW_UK_ACTIVE_T.png or the WILDE MAUS pic at Winter Wonderland.
The title decoded, Classified, winter wonderland, UK, active, Trump.
Or perhaps T is for terminated and WW is worldwide. Or it refers to a Trip added. Trip to where/when/who/how and why.
Or T is Timeframe.
And this was part of a pattern in which the sign-off, W, is the captial W missing from Snow white in Q 128. W is the capital of what city or cities,
Track events.
Timeline.
Tweet meant to provide time guide.
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Q 1456
Anonymous ID: 5c1418 No.1700690📁
Jun 11 2018 12:33:29 (EST)
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POTUS already told us. Dec 2015.
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>>1700690
Good.
Tweet meant to provide time guide.
What event occurs in Dec (London)?
Think Hyde Park.
Think prev pic [2] people.
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Q
If correct, then, the LONDON pics are bigger than we can imagine. It seems to me that Q's mistakes are not really mistakes, most of the time, but very special markers of the Timeframe. Upbread noted how Q tied the timeline to the London Pics, obliquely. VERY challenging to follow. Like an object of interest that appears/disappears/reappears in peripheral vision.
On the other hand, disnformation is real and W is very close to Q. On the keyboard but perhaps in otherwaystoo.
WWG1WGA
Fren, in that pic I see a man, wearing light coloured trousers and an above-the-knee jacket length coat - and blue scarf. Pointing with an object in hand. The second figure is a man with hands locked behind his back.
The second figure is heavier than the other so I can understand how one can say that the second was a woman.
Based on their gait, they appear to me to be strolling. Not in hurry.
There are other people near the traffic island where the memorial would later be placed.
Excellent, Anon. Have I read the drawings correctly - there are two parts to the new gangplanks with part fixed gradient and part that varies with the tide. Noice upgrade.
>show up to divert attention
You might have it within you to pull yourself together and divert your attention back to whatever is more pressing concern for you.
It may be delusional that you show up here to boss other people on what is not worthy of your attention.
Carry On, keeps.
Up to you how you spend your precious time and emotional deluge. Calm yourself, keeps. So gullable..
A timely reminder re the issues that arose in the digz on the 'black box' at SHELTER S.
Vid from time of POTUS visit to UK summer 2018.
https://youtu.be/7gXsOvcs_Ks
^^^
>https://rumble.com/vaxzjc-to-see-you-only-need-to-look.html
TY Anon, noice choice of stickerholdingspots. Very noice.
^^^
Three data points come together. Comms related plus the constellation in the night sky in the EMB evidence of pic with 2847 in filename.
Think how the buses are manned - or were manned - when the RML was still in service for regular bus routes. Driver upfront was isolated from passengers and free to concentrate on traffic, stops, and comms with dispatch. Those comms were very sophisticated in terms of the human element at dispatch. Meanwhile, on the bus, the CONDUCTOR was the face of the system to the public and, especially, to the passengers who hopped on and off via the OPEN PLATFORM at the rear of the bus. Very simple comms with the driver - one-way comms - via a set of button-ringers at the platform. Passengers, too, could communicate directly with the CONDUCTOR which was the point of the two-man operation. This is the basis of the passenger ticket purchases and validations. So comms on the vehicle were layered within the bus and also outside the bus. Passengers waited at bus shelters and signaled the driver - or the conductor - when a bus approached. Some stops were actually stands which served slightly different purpose re passengers but in general the stands were for crew changes at end of shift. Or for rests in the field. Or for mechanic repairs to get a bus back to station. And so on.
The RED BUS pick did not show the open platform at the rear of the bus. The bus stop sign was key to dating the pic. And that was used in combination with the date of the initial shrouding of the building that is situated kitty-corner to that bus stand. That building is … wait for it … COMMUNICATIONS HOUSE.
The building was gutted during redevelopment. Its insides completely replaced while its facade was carefully held up with sophisticated engineering - behind the cover of the shroud. And that shroud featured large silohouettes of black birds. When does a bird sing. comes to mind.
Moar layers the moar you know, Anons. The evidence for all of this is well within the frames.