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>>1219668

Thank you for adding such depth to the conversation. I think we all realize that Brazil, in many parts, is a shit hole. That's beside the point of whether Civ Nat can work when properly implemented. Refer to this post:

>>1210490

We do it already with neighborhoods. People move in, they build fences, or, economically speaking, their exclusivity is predetermined. While I realize this isn't race-based enclaves, they are done by class, and groups of people can cohabitate by class.

Or do you both disagree?

>>1220468

Thank you for the info. I'll need to read up on it to form an opinion. Still, though, what do you think about the Teacher/Classroom analogy?

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I'm very well aware of the MAOA "warrior" gene, and it's prevalence. I'm extremely aware of overrepresentation of certain ethnicities in crime rates. I have first hand experience in growing up in section 8 and the troubles therein.

The point of this thread is "If we remove the environment that breeds this mentality, can these people most affected rise above it and overcome the stereotypes?" If that can happen, where does it leave us as a society, moving forward?

>>1224847

If you don't know what the MAOA allele is, perhaps you should pick up a few books or science journals.

>>1229183

Thank you. First meaningful post in a while. It's always nice to get some validation. I think that's where I was going with the analogy. We might find that when the environment that creates the problem disappears, that we're not all that much different from each other. Then again, if it were to remain that we are, having certain (((groups))) removed from the sphere of influence/control can help us all to think and act more clearly towards each other to find solutions to the real issues we have.

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Given the recent announcement from Bibi, and Q's posts about "trust the plan" I can tell you, now, more than ever, that I'm glad I created this thread.

Listen up:

Setting our preconceived notions about our differences takes a lot of effort. I know there are tons of you that come here, knowing very well already, how our country has lost its way, and a lot of that seemingly started with JFK (more on that later). But pay attention to this. I think many anons are missing the point, and the shills are having their way with the /qresearch/ threads in the meantime.

Q laid out an order of events signaling a WW change that is taking place that we so easily forget when we start to doubt what's going on. Let me remind you all:

>>613229

Having said that, here's a Q post regarding the order of events:

>>1158695

We're not done after Iran. There are other rogue nations out there. You'll see. The plot twist coming might surprise you all, and provide some sense of justification for others, but you are going to find out who, later on, and how it all eventually ties back to JFK.

Why? Because that's how the narrative started. Trump started on the JFK files right off the bat, at the beginning of his presidency. Remember, also, that he very specifically mentioned that we'd find out the truth behind 9/11. What are the odds that these events are related?

Everyone needs to take a chill pill and think about this logically. "Expand your thinking", as Q says, and get to digging on what you already know. The US is tied to the entire world. Our how is clean, and things are taking place faster than ever before.

Righteous things are actually happening under Trump, and we have absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER to doubt this late in the game.

>>1261604

Sorry for the broken link:

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/612849.html#613229

>>1263940

You need to pay attention to what's REALLY going on...

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>>1321936

If you Q is, at this point, a psyop, you are obviously shilling, or willfully ignorant. He's called the order and proven the plan repeatedly. Iran is next (currency crisis), followed by Pakistan.

>Order is important

I can guarantee you the map you are looking at is going to be surpassed by Donald J. Trump.

What is it going to take for you shills to get it? Like Q said, 4-6% of the population they have given up on. Is that a number you want to be a part of?

>>1331403

I understand that the current govt in Iran was created by the C_A, and the current administration is dismantling all their hard work and giving the people of the world their right to self governance back. You should lurk more, hun.

https:// en. wikipedia. org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Iranian_protests

>>1332443

>mongrel subhuman retard.

Ad Hominem. The classic shill tactic. You guys should really learn to educate with love. And, by the way, yeah. C_A was directly involved in all the issues in the ME, including creating the environment where Islamists would eventually take over control of the countries in the region and maintain instability in the region to create the petrodollar.

>>1333074

That's a bit out of context, but I can see where it'd take a bit more critical thinking to understand the messages being conveyed from one post to the next.

>>1333420

OK, using examples like that will devolve this discussion into a cherry picking fest. "Civic Nationalism" vs "Ethnic Nationalism". There's tons of back and forth over pros/cons for each, and the purpose of the thread is to talk about it.

Look, had Nat Soc's efforts been channeled at strict non-interventionism instead of conquest, Hitler's Germany would be around today. Let's talk about the merits of such a system and how it is superior to Civic Nationalism. But cherry picking like your photo (I get it, there's tons of examples) is going to get folks posting pics of the IRA in ample response. You realize this, don't you?

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You are proving my point. Add something meaningful to the discussion, or feel free to go back to Stormfront.

>>1336828

It's frustrating to have a clear debate on the banes/boons of the types of nationalism when one side insists that a particular group will always resort to violence irrespective of the outcome of circumstances.

History is replete with examples of Europeans ravaging each other in the name of:

1. God

2. Liberty

3. Taxes

4. Borders

5. Identity or Ethnic Purity

6. Political Ideology

7. Financial Independence

8. Monarchical Rule

9. Resistance to Governance or Monarchical Rule

This list can go on forever, but I think the Stormfront folks can admit that there will always be a reason to revolt as long as something can be found in the ruling class as minimally disagreeable to fight over it. It just so happens that white supremacists use the simplest of heuristics to draft new blood to their cause.

No one on this board, or other chans/subplebbits, will deny that certain groups of people seem to have trouble follow them. Nobody in the chan-o-sphere is going to deny time-proven, scientifically backed statistics on things like crime. There's a reason countries like Canada have disallowed collection of information regarding perpetrators of crime and ethnicity (attempts to cover up or hide a potential correlation).

What this thread is about, however, is how to turn the perceived "outliers" into "commoners" in these communities, and whether or not policies such as the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 as well as the Housing and Urban Development Act of 1965 had a MAJOR role in shaping how these communities walled themselves off from the rest of society as a result of systemic population herding.

Forced integration was probably one of the best of examples of "the road to Hell paved in good intentions" because the societal change wasn't allowed to be organic. Instead, it rose tensions higher than ever before, and rekindled a baser hatred whose focus is on the obvious external differences of our groups.

People have to be allowed to make the choice (liberty) with whom they want to cohabitate; not be forced into a melting pot of outcomes predetermined by policy makers unaffected by their governance decisions (see item 9 above). When organic changes are given the ability to take place naturally, change comes slow, but it also comes with a long lasting effect of cohesion, and eventually patriotism without color.

I think this is what Q is trying to get at here. Working together to abolish evil should ALWAYS precede our ill-placed urges to resist each other based on our differences. Sure, we'll continue to have the debate over our differences another day, but in the meantime, something much more important needs to be accomplished in order for us to get to a healthier state to handle, what would be in the grand scheme of things, a smaller issue at the moment.

Sort of like getting rid of life-threatening cancer of evil before dealing with the flu of race relations.

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You're a level 1 troll, you realize that, right? Not a single point made. Not a single one. No debate; just conjecture. Using fear, hate, and attempting to create anxiety over a future you have no control over to sway people to stoop to your level of ignorance doesn't work here.

I invite you to debate. If you don't have a point here, then just leave. There are plenty of places on the chans to echo chamber your self-loathing.

>>1364604

Well, I started this thread with the intent on having a real discussion on the types of nationalism, and Stormfront showed up. I'm afraid it's deterred folks from coming here. Suck, too, because it's a conversation that NEEDS to be had.

>>1367250

>-tyrrany, and thought criminalization

Isn't that exactly how Hitler maintained control over Germany, though?

And your statement about racism isn't 100% correct. Trotsky didn't invent the word at all. He did, however, learn to politically weaponize it to weaken his opponents positions in debate. It's nothing more than another form of Ad Hominem, and since most people are very simple minded, Ad Hominem attacks work very well (hence the success of shows like John Oliver, Jimmy Kimmel, etc.).

So you believe that in order to maintain control over a multicultural society, a state has to be a dictatorship? The Roman Republic worked well until a few greedy ones consolidated power for themselves. The empire rose from that, arguably, in much worse condition than it started. Granted, it lasted for a few hundred years, but it was essentially a dictatorship at that point.

I think the point here, is, is that people will follow someone when the visage of power is maintained. I think that speaks volumes to the mentality of the average person (think Germany, again). That being said, what do we do when the human species elevates itself a bit? What system of governance should we be looking for at that point?

In that sense, I think that race matters less than mentality. If the public consciousness is higher, than a more complex system of government is needed as people will be much less likely to just give rights up to the state in the end.

>>1460493

OK. 251 replies, and I get it; someone that's ready to talk. Thank you for coming, and let's get this conversation started…

By rejecting a peoples' potential, based on crude (simpler heuristic) observance of their group tactics vs outlier performance, we're predicating their overall potential contribution to societal gain to that group's lowest common denominator.

In other words, folks like yourself will take their worse "examples", and (cleverly) use those "examples" of "hooodlum" as a way to (((sway))) public perception of their disadvantaged positions to contradict empathetic rationale of their actions.

For instance:

Donnelle is starving. His sister is starving. His brother, and mother are starving. Donnelle wants to see his family well fed, and rejoicing in relief of pain and suffering, what does Donnelle do? He waits for Punit to leave the store and rob it. What if the store is 24 hours, and there is no other way to feed his family?

This is where capitulation meets capitalization. A young man wants to provide the best way he can for his kin, and himself. Now… Think like a (pimp) more intelligent entrepreneur.

This person can leverage their slight of morals/strong physical prowess to achieve financial gain. There are no better servants than those that are willing to provide for their family.

Ask Dave Chappelle. This video will give you the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju06BmWQUX0

P.S.

If you are KKK, you REALLY need to pay attention…