>>11804702 (pb)
Ever hear of the diaspora? Where did they go? How many were there? What happened to the northern Israel tribes? Who stayed in Judah? How spread out were the Jews even during the Roman empire? Where did they live? Why was the Tanakh translated into Greek?
History is interesting.
Yeah, I don't think so.
Except for the bible. Haven't you ever noticed how much of it is about Israels FAILURES? Pretty much every other culture from that time period only recorded their wins or usually didn't record them at all, or twisted it in such a way as to paint their loss in a good light.
True. Many people want to assume that being an offspring of Abraham is a literal genetic thing, it isn't always. Don't get me wrong though, I am not one of those people who believe that Israel is cut off, they aren't, God has always loved them, they are just being punished (again) for their failure to recognize their Messiah when He showed up. They WILL figure it out eventually.
religious texts are NOT regarded as "history" by serious historical scholars, who hate the idea of God or the bible being true.
There, fixed it for ya.
Whatever, you get the point.
Where does it say that ancient writers were incapable of writing the truth?
Also, learn some history, Herod the Great was a Hasmonean, in other words, an Edomite, an enemy of Israel, that is why they revolted. The Romans thought they were just another kind of Jew, which they sort of were, but not really.
Hasmonean dynasty
The Hasmonean dynasty[4] (/หhรฆzmษหniหษn/ (audio); Hebrew: ืึทืฉึฐืืืึนื ึทึผืึดืืโ, แธคaลกmona'ฤซm) was a ruling dynasty of Judea and surrounding regions during classical antiquity, from c.โ140 BCE to 37 BCE. Between c.โ140 and c.โ116 BCE the dynasty ruled Judea semi-autonomously from the Seleucid Empire, and from roughly 110 BCE, with the empire disintegrating, Judea gained full independence and expanded into the neighboring regions of Samaria, Galilee, Iturea, Perea, and Idumea. The Hasmonean rulers took the title "basileus, ("king" or "emperor"), and some modern scholars refer to this period as an independent kingdom of Israel.[5] The kingdom was ultimately conquered by the Roman Republic and the dynasty was displaced by Herod the Great in 37 BCE.
The dynasty was established under the leadership of Simon Thassi, two decades after his brother Judas Maccabeus (ืืืืื ืืืืื Yehudah HaMakabi) defeated the Seleucid army during the Maccabean Revolt. According to 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, and the first book of The Jewish War by Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (37 CEโc.โ100),[6] Antiochus IV moved to assert strict control over the Seleucid satrapy of Coele Syria and Phoenicia[7] after his successful invasion of Ptolemaic Egypt was turned back by the intervention of the Roman Republic.[8][9] He sacked Jerusalem and its Temple, suppressing Jewish and Samaritan religious and cultural observances,[7][10] and imposed Hellenistic practices.[10] The ensuing revolt by the Jews (167 BCE) began a period of Jewish independence potentiated by the steady collapse of the Seleucid Empire under attacks from the rising powers of the Roman Republic and the Parthian Empire.
However, the same power vacuum that enabled the Jewish state to be recognised by the Roman Senate c.โ139 BCE was later exploited by the Romans themselves. In 63 BCE, the kingdom was invaded by the Roman Republic, broken up and set up as a Roman client state.
Hyrcanus II and Aristobulus II, Simon's great-grandsons, became pawns in a proxy war between Julius Caesar and Pompey the Great. The deaths of Pompey (48 BCE) and Caesar (44 BCE), and the related Roman civil wars temporarily relaxed Rome's grip on the Hasmonean kingdom, allowing a brief reassertion of autonomy backed by the Parthian Empire. This short independence was rapidly crushed by the Romans under Mark Antony and Octavian.
The dynasty had survived for 103 years before yielding to the Herodian dynasty in 37 BCE. The installation of Herod the Great (an Idumean) as king in 37 BCE made Judea a Roman client state and marked the end of the Hasmonean dynasty. Even then, Herod tried to bolster the legitimacy of his reign by marrying a Hasmonean princess, Mariamne, and planning to drown the last male Hasmonean heir at his Jericho palace. In 6 CE, Rome joined Judea proper, Samaria and Idumea (biblical Edom) into the Roman province of Judaea. In 44 CE, Rome installed the rule of a procurator side by side with the rule of the Herodian kings (specifically Agrippa I 41โ44 and Agrippa II 50โ100).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_dynasty
So some at least were called Jews who weren't. The Romans just grouped them all together.
Opps. My mistake.
The Herodian Kingdom
The Herodian kingdom of Judea[1][2] was a client state of the Roman Republic from 37 BCE, when Herod the Great was appointed "King of the Jews" by the Roman Senate.[3] When Herod died in 4 BCE, the kingdom was divided among his sons into the Herodian Tetrarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_Kingdom_of_Judea
Herod the Great
Herod was born in (or around) 72 BCE[10] in Idumea, south of Judea.[11] He was the second son of Antipater the Idumaean, a high-ranking official under ethnarch Hyrcanus II, and Cypros, a Nabatean Arab. Herod's father was by descent an Edomite, whose ancestors had converted to Judaism. Herod was raised as a Jew.[12][13][14][15][16][17] Strabo, a contemporary, held that the Idumaeans, whom he identified as of Nabataean origin, constituted the majority of the population of Western Judea, where they commingled with the Judaeans and adopted their customs.[18] This is a view shared also by some modern scholarly works which consider Idumaeans as of Arab or Nabataean origins.[19][20][21][22] Thus Herod was ethnically an Arab from both sides.[13][12]
Herod's rise to power is largely due to his father's good standing relation with Julius Caesar, who entrusted Antipater with the public affairs of Judea.[23] Herod, Antipater's son, was appointed provincial governor of Galilee in ca. 47 BCE when Herod was about either 25 or 28 years old (Greek original: "15 years of age"),[24] and where he faithfully farmed the taxes of that region for the Roman Senate, and where he met with success in ridding that region of bandits.[25][26] Antipater's elder son, Phasael, served in the same capacity as governor of Jerusalem. During this time, the young Herod cultivated a good relationship with Sextus Caesar, the acting Roman governor of Syria, who appointed Herod as general of Coelesyria and Samaria, greatly expanding his realm of influence.[27] He enjoyed the backing of Rome, but his brutality was condemned by the Sanhedrin.[28] When yet a private man, Herod had determined to punish Hyrcanus the king, who had once summoned Herod to stand trial for murder, but was restrained from doing so by the intervention of his father and his elder brother.
In 41 BCE, Herod and his brother Phasael were named as tetrarchs by the Roman leader Mark Antony. They were placed in this role to support Hyrcanus II. Later, Antigonus, Hyrcanus' nephew, took the throne from his uncle with the help of the Parthians. Herod fled to Rome to plead with the Romans to restore Hyrcanus II to power. The Romans had a special interest in Judea because their general Pompey the Great had conquered Jerusalem in 63 BCE, thus placing the region in the Roman sphere of influence. In Rome, Herod was unexpectedly appointed King of the Jews by the Roman Senate.[29] Josephus puts this in the year of the consulship of Calvinus and Pollio (40 BCE), but Appian places it in 39 BCE.[2] Herod went back to Judea to win his kingdom from Antigonus. Toward the end of the campaign against Antigonus, Herod married the granddaughter of Hyrcanus II, Mariamne (known as Mariamne I), who was also a niece of Antigonus. Herod did this in an attempt to secure his claim to the throne and gain some Jewish favor. However, Herod already had a wife, Doris, and a young son, Antipater, and chose therefore to banish Doris and her child.
Herod and Sosius, the governor of Syria, at the behest of Mark Antony, set out with a large army in 37 BCE and captured Jerusalem, Herod then sending Antigonus for execution to Mark Antony.[30] From this moment, Herod took the role as sole ruler of Judea and the title of basileus (ฮฮฑฯฮนฮปฮตฯฯ, "king") for himself, ushering in the Herodian dynasty and ending the Hasmonean Dynasty. Josephus reports this as being in the year of the consulship of Agrippa and Gallus (37 BCE), but also says that it was exactly 27 years after Jerusalem fell to Pompey, which would indicate 36 BCE. Cassius Dio also reports that in 37 "the Romans accomplished nothing worthy of note" in the area.[31] According to Josephus, Herod ruled for 37 years, 34 of them after capturing Jerusalem.
Model of Herod's Temple
As some believe Herod's family were converts to Judaism, his religious commitment was questioned by some elements of Jewish society.[32] When John Hyrcanus conquered the region of Idumaea (the Edom of the Hebrew Bible) in 140โ130 BCE, he required all Idumaeans to obey Jewish law or to leave; most Idumaeans thus converted to Judaism, which meant that they had to be circumcised,[33] and many had intermarried with the Jews and adopted their customs.[34] While Herod publicly identified himself as a Jew and was considered as such by some,[35] this religious identification was undermined by the decadent lifestyle of the Herodians, which would have earned them the antipathy of observant Jews.[36]
Herod later executed several members of his own family, including his wife Mariamne I.[17]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great
The Romans Forced the Edomites to convert to Judaism.
Idumaean
Is basically Edom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom#Classical_Idumaea>>11804836
99 percent of the time you are probably right, it's that last little 1 percent that gets your panties in a bunch isn't it?
Sure is funny how, every day, archaeology verifies what it is capable of verifying about the bible and so many people want to just toss it out or try to put any kind of spin on it that will allow them to discredit the plain truth of the bible.
I never said to kill anyone. Does it bother you that at least one of the religions might just be true? Or do you prefer a universe with no guidance or rational reason for existing? Just random molecules colliding and interacting?
Listen and maybe learn something.
Relax. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. You come across as someone who hates the idea of God. Why do you specify, "religious text," then?
There are all kinds of, "historical scholars." Many these days have an agenda and try to hide it. Define the difference between religious and historical docs. Can't they be both? I understand, many ancient texts are nice stories, but not all. The bible is pretty accurate both historically AND religiously. Make your choice.