Anonymous ID: 000000 Dec. 12, 2020, 2:55 a.m. No.11993569   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>3592 >>3700 >>3814 >>4261 >>4310 >>4327 >>4472

On SCOTUS (from a lawyer)

https://thedonald.win/p/11R4JGEHkU/on-scotus-from-a-lawyer/

 

posted 9 hours ago by TheNixonTapes +7535 / -10

 

Things are not over. But let me put SCOTUS into perspective.

 

Yes, GA, PA, MI, and WI, all violated the Constitution. All serious people concur with that assessment. But standing, objectively, was going to be difficult to assert. Texas did make a pretty creative argument, to be sure. Standing was sort of 50-50 given there is literally no precedent for this type of suit. We must commend those who stood with us, even against the odds. Everyone else, fuck 'em.

 

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Apart from the Texas suit, you must keep in mind all election-related lawsuits can be distinguished by the the stage during the election period they are brought, the parties bringing them, and the court in which they are brought.

 

There are three defined stages to this fight: (A) pre-election litigation; (B) post-election, pre-certification litigation; and (C) post-election, post-certification litigation.

 

The parties relevant for our purposes are (1) POTUS in his personal capacity/Trump campaign and (2) all other third parties (e.g., state-level GOP, private citizens, such as Sidney P and L. Wood and their plaintiffs, etc.).

 

The courts are obviously distinguished between State (S) and Federal (F).

 

[I will occasionally combine these alphanumeric references to discuss particular litigation strategies. For example, a reference to an (A-1-F) lawsuit would reference a pre-election lawsuit (A) brought by POTUS (1) in Federal court (F).]

 

Most of the attention-grabbing litigation has been post-election, pre-certification lawsuits brought by third parties in Federal court (B-2-F). From a strategy standpoint, these suits puzzled me.

 

First, Federal court was always less desirable of a venue than State court, because Federal courts almost never intervene in post-election matters. (The only exception to that general rule is an appeal from a state court of last resort to SCOTUS, such as Bush v. Gore.)

 

Second, these (B-2-F) lawsuits sought to enjoin certification of the state election results. I am unaware of any court ever granting this type of relief. The reason no such relief has ever been granted is because the laws of almost every state require certification of results before one can file an election contest in court. (Some states also require certification as a condition precedent to requesting a recount and/or for an automatic recount to occur.)

 

While POTUS did attempt to stop PA and MI certifications, several factors diminished the feasibility of those suits as time progressed, a subject which I do not discuss here.

 

The key lawsuits to watch have always been the election contests.

 

First, an election contest was how Bush v. Gore got to SCOTUS, which demonstrates how these types of lawsuits present a more plausible path to SCOTUS review.

 

Second, standing is almost never a problem, because most state statutes only permit the candidates to bring election contests. The candidate always meets the three key requirements of standing (injury in fact, causation, and redressability).

 

Third, election contests must be brought in state court. Another issue with Federal court is that many of the arguments in the post-election lawsuits have focused on violations of state law. Federal courts do not interpret state law, cannot be called upon to enforce state law, and do not remedy violations of state law. The only time a Federal court examines a state law is when the court is examining whether the state law violates the Federal constitution.

 

Fourth, and this is the good part, POTUS has at least four active election contests that have been filed sort of under the radar:

 

-There is one in Wisconsin (10 EV), which the Wisconsin supreme court is set to hear tomorrow.

 

-There is one in Georgia (16 EV), which has a better chance of success than Sidney P or Lin Wood's suits, precisely because POTUS is a party to this suit, suing in his personal capacity.

 

-There is one in Nevada (6 EV), which the NV supreme court rejected, making it now prime for appeal to the SCOTUS.

 

-There is another one in Arizona (11 EV), which the AZ supreme court rejected, and which AZ GOP Chairwoman Kelli Ward said they were appealing to SCOTUS.

 

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I would be lying to you all if I said this was not an uphill battle. It always has been. And I am always cognizant of us not turning into the "here's how Bernie can still win" type of people from 2016. But objectively speaking, it is still not over.

 

And I will say…

 

WE DESERVE OUR DAY IN COURT GODDAMMIT!

Anonymous ID: 000000 Dec. 12, 2020, 3:02 a.m. No.11993586   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>3588 >>3701 >>4261 >>4310 >>4327

https://thedonald.win/p/11R4NowlR3/as-an-american-citizen-in-a-stat/

 

As an American citizen in a state that follows the constitution, I was just told I have no legal standing to protest against states that disregard the constitution. They can cheat however they want, and as long as enough of them do the same, their guy wins and our guy doesn’t.

 

RogueLikely 306 points 5 hours ago +309 / -3

 

This is so simple to understand, and it's why I don't believe the bullshit about the SCOTUS dismissal being some sort of "hint" to try again. Texas DID have standing, and any layman can see that.

 

It's time we red states and counties join together, form a Union, remove the current corrupt establishment from power, and reform it with true constitutionalists in every position.

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Harper42190 130 points 5 hours ago +130 / -0

 

I read an interesting article… "Standing" was made up in the last 100 years… Basically as a way to not take cases that the courts didn't want to take a side in.

 

2ScoopsofCovfefe 22 points 5 hours ago +22 / -0

 

Have a link? I would be interested to learn more on that

 

Harper42190 36 points 5 hours ago +36 / -0

 

https://t.co/zA3P7lOi7S?amp=1

 

Briana_Raymaker 34 points 4 hours ago +34 / -0

 

Yes, thanks! As an attorney I hadn't heard of how the standing requirement was created. I should have known it was BS just like the political doctrine.

 

Harper42190 45 points 4 hours ago +45 / -0

 

As not an Attorney, and furthest thing from it (PhD Stats), I feel like standing is a joke. I do not know as I said I am not an attorney, but to throw a case away like they did today when America is split 50/50 and none of the lower courts want to touch any of the cases brought, I feel like it does a great disservice to our country. Every case thus far has been dismissed due to standing. Ohh you sued before the election… No damages, dismissed standing… Ohh you sued after? nope shoulda brought this up before the election, dismissed standing.

 

Once again, I don't know but I feel like SCOTUS should have heard it as it involved 4 states acting unconstitutionally that affected an election for federal office.

 

That's my take.

Anonymous ID: 000000 Dec. 12, 2020, 3:02 a.m. No.11993588   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4261 >>4310 >>4327

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Liberty4All 36 points 4 hours ago +36 / -0

 

Exactly. Judges are using the technicalities of law to avoid actually looking at the evidence and taking a tough stand, even thought the result of these dismissals is to deny the constitutional rights of the whole nation to free and fair elections.

 

It's maddening.

 

I know Trump and his team have other legal avenues left to pursue, but I'm feeling the ticking clock very acutely.

 

day221 8 points 1 hour ago +8 / -0

 

It's not even technicalities. It's just mental gymnastics and word salad to avoid the real rational and logical conclusion that should have been made here. Their argument puts enough of a spin on things that they can fool the "average" person who won't think twice - but upon scrutiny it is easily torn to shreds.

 

When states joined the union they agreed that elections of their common federal government would be subject to certain common rules, checks, and balances. SCOTUS basically said the way one state runs their elections is not the business of any other state, EVEN WHEN it's in violation of this agreement.

 

It's completely absurd.

 

Lenny_Kravitz2 7 points 2 hours ago +7 / -0

 

It is also a question of Original Jurisdiction vs. Appellate Jurisdiction.

 

TX seeking original jurisdiction would have allowed SCOTUS to review evidence. Appellate jurisdiction, which would be where Trump's cases would end up, won't.

 

The core issue is two fold. One is the election fraud and the evidence therein and the second is violations of the constitution via constitutional powers being usurped by branches of the state governments.

 

So far, none of those issues have been actually reviewed and decided on.

 

KYMAGApatriot1 19 points 4 hours ago +19 / -0

 

Number one: SCOTUS should have heard this case because it involves the most sacred right as an American citizen: the right to vote. And to expect that vote to be counted in a fair and ethical manner. That you are entitled to one vote, and only one vote, and one that shouldn’t be stolen from you. AND that the ballot you cast is counted for the person you voted for. Number two: To hear the election fraud and allow Trump to take office in 2021. As much as we want Trump in office, number one is the most important reason and SCOTUS should have stepped up to the plate

 

Briana_Raymaker 14 points 3 hours ago +14 / -0

 

SCOTUS should have heard it because they are literally the last step between war among the states. SCOTUS exists to peacefully resolve differences between sovereign powers. Now they have given no option but death. Hopefully the legislatures will finally step up and do their jobs. If not, we are officially at the 2nd American Revolution. Stay low and pick out the worst traitors now.

 

Harper42190 9 points 3 hours ago +9 / -0

 

The lawsuit had so much merit, it is crazy to me they wouldn't hear it based on that alone. Seems like standing was solved by adding Trump and the electors clause… I just don't get it

Anonymous ID: 000000 Dec. 12, 2020, 3:14 a.m. No.11993644   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>3666 >>3764 >>3808 >>3813 >>3826 >>3870 >>4300

https://thedonald.win/p/11R4NrD0Vh/stop-dooming-some-info/

Stop dooming: Some Info

posted 1 hour ago by Nekroziz (edited) +115 / -0

 

I cannot be very specific because I have started recently working with a team of programmers among other I.T people on reverse engineering that is NOT officially affiliated with DJT’s campaign or lawyers. I’ll drop a hint that I’m primarily working in Michigan and somewhat Georgia remotely.

 

That out of the way, just some inside chatter I have gotten after seeing the outcome of SCOTUS and being very disheartened- this Texas lawsuit was not expected or planned, but was welcomed. When I say expected or planned, there have been many things set in motion from over two years ago, this was not one of them. No one had preconceived opinions on its outcome, but welcomed the show of support that was not previously present.

 

The outcome to the few people who are relevant to any of you was definitely slightly depressing (just that the fight may be over), but not a blow in the least to the ongoing efforts.

 

If you would, please look into Trump’s EO a bit more and SPECIFICALLY, look at the required positions mentioned in the EO, and cross check them with who Trump has recently fired and who he has replaced them with. Any lawyer will tell you this EO is extremely well written.

 

The question many of you may ask is (like myself), why hasn’t Trump just gone directly to the EO? Mostly because the EO you can think of as the nuclear option, and if you’re intelligent you don’t start a war generally with the MOAB, you go in and see what you can do on the ground and gradually step up with resistance. And you need to prove to the people the MOAB is required.

 

Also, these state and local hearings allow three things, as Trump is basically blacklisted from all media, it ensures the public witness what Trump has witnessed for support of the people, this Texas lawsuit and the effort put into a lot of these small time hearings everyone knew would be shot down can be used to disperse information to the public and secondly, find the roots of corruption to pull from America’s soil with the EO. Lastly, the growing frustration of the populace is seen as a giant help.

 

Take this with a giant grain of salt as these people are not right next to Trump, but they were happy to see the non-Trump appointments in Alito and Thomas were at least willing to hear this case when it had MANY flaws.

 

The top down opinion on ACB and Kavanaugh, the two most seem the most surprised with is, they don’t want the appearance of impropriety at any cost (this includes Gorsuch who I don’t see much about), and that puts things into jeopardy. That is why they didn’t join Alito and Thomas. However, they are still confident with the PLANNED lawsuits heading to the Supreme Court, as they are based very fundamentally in the constitution which ACB is a dedicated student of, that it will win. The TX lawsuit dismissal is also seen as a giant gift to the primary Trump lawsuits as it is seen as an “out” for ACB, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh to show they aren’t blindly helping Trump, they are trying cases based on their merit. Roberts..anyway,

 

To wrap this up, Flynn has a lot more involvement than many of you think, I would recommend listening to him more.

 

And lastly, Trump’s options are many, but the SC case is the last before the EO, December 18th is also not its intended date of execution. ACB is currently looked at as she’ll call it down the line (which is good), Kavanaugh will most likely side with Trump this next go around, Gorsuch as well, and Alito and Thomas are basically locks. Roberts, uh, he’s with Barr at KFC.

 

I leave you with this: Michigan is the key, and there’s very, VERY good reason why that judge doesn’t want you to know what was discovered. Remember the testimony of owners in Dominion being in Michigan- didn’t hear that elsewhere (for good reason). Also a delay tactic to stop it from reaching SCOTUS. It’s extremely important to say the least. If you think you’ve seen the smoking gun, if we can get the findings out of Michigan, it will all blow all your lids off. Sheryl Guy isn’t happy.

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Anonymous ID: 000000 Dec. 12, 2020, 5:32 a.m. No.11994059   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4070 >>4097

>>11993998 (lack of ammo)

 

Shouldn't this be a dig? What's going on with those companies? Is demand so high they can't keep up? Or is their supply chain being choked? Who owns them or has bought them in the past four years?

 

Gotta run for RLfagging but if we don't have a dig started, I get something going later.