Anonymous ID: 20faa7 Dec. 15, 2020, 5:18 p.m. No.12044468   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>4510

>>12044254

Without Mary saying "Yes" to God's will, as illustrated in the Gospel of Luke, we would not have Jesus coming into the world to redeem it. God specifically chose Mary to become to "New Eve" to undo Eve's sin of disobedience, just as Jesus is the "New Adam." If you took the time to read the early Church theologians and fathers you would see what you just said is utter bullshit.

Anonymous ID: 20faa7 Dec. 15, 2020, 5:47 p.m. No.12044900   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>12044510

Explain "free will" then. If God knows everything from beginning to end, then why allow us to have free will? If we do not have free will because God knows what will happen, then does that not mean he created certain people to go to hell? If that's the case, then why bother kicking out Adam and Eve from paradise and forcing them to a life of struggling, if he knew that they would eat the apple?

 

That's the problem with people like you. Logic is warped to fit your narrative that nothing we can do can save us. It's only up to God to save us. So anyone who goes to hell, well, that was God's will.

 

And that's bullshit! He gave us free will because without it we're no better than robots. Free will gives us the choice to know, love, and serve God truly, not by coercion. If he has to force us to love him, it's not true love. Again, it's no better than someone building a robot just to say how much they love their creator, but there is no truth behind their words.

 

Adam and Eve chose to sin. They put their pride and disobedience ahead of the love of God and for a time shut the doors of heaven to mankind (that's why ancient Jews believe the faithful dead went to "Abraham's Bosom" not heaven). To undo the sin of our first parents and redeem mankind and to set the example of selfless love towards God, their needed to be a perfect act of obedience and love to God from a man and a woman. That is why Jesus was referred to as the "New Adam" and Mary the "New Eve" by early Christian theologians. Mary's fiat, her selfless acceptance of God's will and all the sorrows that came from it allowed God to send his Son to ultimately die on the cross and redeem us.

 

Again, go read the early Christian theologians and Church fathers. Read their own words. You will see the Truth in what I'm saying.