>>12056870

Then you are to be removed from our nation. Personally, I would have you executed, but people do not understand the necessity of such things as wisdom is beyond them.

If you believe that man has no right or standing to make law, then you are fundamentally engaged in an insurrection against our entire concept of governance.

While I will offer that man's laws are arbitrary attempts to reflect the divine laws underwriting our existence, any man professing to know what that divine law is, precisely, should also know it is beyond any language yet known and impossible to codify thereby.

All that ever comes of claims such as yours is smooth brained "I am the messenger of god, do as I say" fiat fraud. Or, more accurately, "HE was the absolute messenger of God, and this is what he said!"

The idea that man can't author law is fundamentally inconsistent with the concepts underwriting our Constitution. It precludes our Constitution as invalid.

Again, while man's capacity to enact law is not boundless or divine - and will be shattered upon the rocks of divine laws it defies - no person can prove his or herself to be the voice of divine law beyond the right of others to retain their own thoughts and wisdom. As such, it is a certainty that any god's law will be challenged by sufficiently motivated individuals and anything that is not god's law will be found to lack divine teeth.

>>12057028

Organizing to take down the government is not exactly something a group does before it's necessary to do so. Literally no revolution in history has been "planned for many years" by those who joined it. It was quietly plotted and planned by people who may have exchanged ideas - but who were the people with the plans when the masses demanded action. Revolutions "come together."

We only know who has what position, what resource, etc when the time comes. Planning can only exist as arrays of contingent ideas that condense as the situation becomes known. I can plan all day what to do with teams of armed men and women, but until I have those men and women in front of me, with the resources we have, in the time and against the opponent the situation demands - the overwhelming majority of those plans are wishful thinking entertaining the ideal.

For example - I could start the revolution in prison, largely preparing for a time in which I will be broken out or in which I can prepare my escape. It would be a horrible way to start - but the idea it is entirely impossible for some operating group to take me unaware one day before the shooting really begins would be naive and to ignore the fact that surveillance is a thing.

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>>12057087

>When you speak of the favour of the gods, we may as fairly hope for that as yourselves; neither our pretensions nor our conduct being in any way contrary to what men believe of the gods, or practise among themselves. Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can. And it is not as if we were the first to make this law, or to act upon it when made: we found it existing before us, and shall leave it to exist for ever after us; all we do is to make use of it, knowing that you and everybody else, having the same power as we have, would do the same as we do. Thus, as far as the gods are concerned, we have no fear and no reason to fear that we shall be at a disadvantage. But when we come to your notion about the Lacedaemonians, which leads you to believe that shame will make them help you, here we bless your simplicity but do not envy your folly. The Lacedaemonians, when their own interests or their country's laws are in question, are the worthiest men alive; of their conduct towards others much might be said, but no clearer idea of it could be given than by shortly saying that of all the men we know they are most conspicuous in considering what is agreeable honourable, and what is expedient just. Such a way of thinking does not promise much for the safety which you now unreasonably count upon.

The only law is that the strong do what they can while the weak suffer what they must.

The foolish thus assume that the arbiter of "Nature" or "divine" is purely the point of the spear or the boots of an army.

Our Constitution is an effort to create a more universally strong nation such that the just prevail and the evil suffer. It requires us to codify that which results in strength and to preserve our integrity of office.