The downside of intelligence/counter intelligence is that you can't trust any of them. We can never tell when they're being honest or playing their part.
Good point. It might be hear say knowledge. The NewsMax CEO said they met. But he also said he didn't speak to the President, so how does he know they met?
https:// www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/politics/trump-robert-mueller-fbi-director-interview/index.html