Anonymous ID: 59b824 Jan. 1, 2021, 7:51 a.m. No.12267054   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>7156 >>7206 >>7238 >>7241 >>7815

https://t.co/wAM0s3u3u4?amp=1

 

one minute vid explaining crucial detail of gohmert lawsuit.

 

Game theory: Alot of Opinion but many unknown, here is anon opinion

very important ruling being requested for court to decide before jan 6/ how the house votes on the objections/competing electors- By state delegation (as constitution requires for the vote for president) or by house member?

 

the thinking is in a house vote for pres, potus wins vote by state delegation, but in votes to decide which electors get chosen, or which ones to throw out, etc. which will be required before a vote for prez, is it one vote per member or delegation?

 

so if pence tries to not count the 5-7 states with competing electors (or deviate from accepting the dem desired playbook), the house will try to intervene with a vote, they will want a member vote, not a vote per state.

 

it may come down to pence power alone, he presides over joint session, and can likely prevent certain debate and motions (on which electors to accept), he will try to appear fair, but there may not be a perfect way to achieve that.

 

here is my strategy, we have 2 ways:

at this point a good scenario imho would be for him to unilaterally not accept any electors from the heavily contested states, who have competing electors. by not opening, reading and accepting them, he may be able to avoid any debate/vote, etc. in other words he decides to not accept any, and prevents any vote (this can be greatly impacted by gohmert suit on how the vote occurs).

 

1- he moves things along with no debate, dems go nuts, he announces and accepts ONLY the electoral college vote of all non-disputed states Potus wins the majority 232-227. BOOM!

 

2- However, for Optics the better scenario may be for Pence to (deny all contested states) But, not name Potus Trump the winner, but rely on one (oft argued) Constitutional interpretation that a winner requires a majority (270) of total electors, Not a majority of accepted electors (230). Without the 270 majority, he can invoke the 14th amendment and send the election to the house for a vote by state delegation.

 

Either way it appears due to lack of precedent and a vague or arguable constitutional text re. what constitutes a majority, total electors or accepted electors, may be a supreme court issue/decision. By Pence interpreting it as total electors (and not the majority of accepted electors- which gives trump the win), that removes one Dem defense, and removes a Dem narrative of Pence/Potus rigging (that part) of the election.

 

Pence and PotusTrump can cite that they followed the Constitutional Process and let the House decide. The dems will argue to the supreme court that Pence overstepped his authority by unilaterally denying contested states, by denying debate and a vote, and that a house vote by member should have decided after debate, which electors from contested states should be accepted.

 

I am pretty confident the game theory being played now is ensuring (and thus preserving their neutrality) that when the supreme court inevitably has to make a ruling on Jan. 6 and Potus trump winning, they rule only based on clear cut and objective Constitutionality, and that any potential defense of the dems is quietly defeated. (as explained above whereby pence sends it per constitution to a house delegation by state vote instead of declaring potus the winner via moar accepted electoral votes.

Anonymous ID: 59b824 Jan. 1, 2021, 8:06 a.m. No.12267205   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>7235 >>7256 >>7371

>>12267140

sauce?

 

Pence asks judge to end GOP suit to expand his powers over Congress' approving election results

Pence argues he's not the correct defendant in the case.

 

 

Vice President Mike Pence asked a federal judge Thursday to reject an attempt by Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert and other congressional Republicans to expand Pence’s official powers to allow him to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s Electoral College win.

 

The lawsuit was filed earlier this week and attempts to expand Pence’s role in Congress’ meeting Wednesday to count states’ electoral votes and certify Biden’s victory over Trump, according to The Hill newspaper.

 

Pence argued in a filing Thursday to U.S. District Judge Jeremy Kernodle that he was not the correct defendant to the suit.

 

“A suit to establish that the Vice President has discretion over the count, filed against the Vice President, is a walking legal contradiction,” a Justice Department attorney wrote in the filing, The Hill also reported.

 

An 1887 federal law known as the Electoral Count Act has the vice president presiding over the congressional meeting.

 

However the suit led by Gohmert tries to invalidate the law as an unconstitutional constraint on the vice president's authority to choose among competing claims of victory when state-level election results are disputed.

 

Republicans in several key battleground states have disputed Biden's win and offered alternate "slates" of pro-Trump electors to be counted, also according to The Hill.

 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/pence-asks-judge-end-gop-suit-expand-his-powers-over-congress-approving

https://thehill.com/people/louie-gohmert

Anonymous ID: 59b824 Jan. 1, 2021, 8:29 a.m. No.12267484   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>7534 >>7566 >>7583

>>12267238

>WHY is there no TRUMP V BIDAN lawsuit in each state that changed its rules?

>

>seems like there should be - same as BUSH v GORE

 

guess is, again game theory is that potus would have if he could have at the state level, so absent any state court remedies perhaps one supreme court decision can wrap up all the unconstitutionality via state gov, secretaries, governors.

 

here is the Key:

Instead of having the supreme court offer a decision AND a Remedy (Potus Trump winner).

It may be much better for the supreme court to uphold a process (guided by Pence on Jan 6) that declares potus trump the winner!

Anonymous ID: 59b824 Jan. 1, 2021, 8:42 a.m. No.12267639   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>12267256

 

>what if because no courts will hear vote fraud evidence , the Congress House and Senate hold trilal / court on the issue ?

Trump campaign wants to air evidence to Americans before Congress certifies election

 

"These are the specific types of evidence that we want to be able to present to the American public on the national stage and not allow local politicians to sweep it under the rug," Miller said.

 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/trump-campaign-senior-advisor-wants-americans-hear-about-evidence-related

 

>>12267371

>the act is unconstitutional becuase it CONFLICTS AND CHANGES the 12th amendment which prescribes the exact process

 

so do u think pence in the preceding can do what he wants to, ignore what he thinks are non-constitutional measures to get trump the winner?

if someone objects can he ignore them and move on, and ram trump in, and let supreme court rule, not on the remedy of making potus trump prez, but only that the method employed by pence was legit?

tying to into bush gore, if pence decides things based on that precedent (in denying contested states who changed counting rules) maybe the supreme court can just support the events that transpire on jan 6, as constitutional and within power of VP Pence?

Anonymous ID: 59b824 Jan. 1, 2021, 8:57 a.m. No.12267815   🗄️.is 🔗kun

>>12267054

bottom line i am hopiuming for is Pence has publically expressed/stated that election was stolen/fraudulent

he has power available to remedy on Jan 6, based upon him presiding over joint session, and solely interpeting the vague rules, law and constitution for the benefit of the true winner- Trump.

whatever he does to arrive at a Trump win will be legal (but certainly argued) and likely will be upheld by supreme court, but will be met with outrage and Dems going full ape-shit, as in all violent assets deployed.

 

I do think this part of the Plan is all Pence, anything MF, Potus, etal., can do before that to gain support will add legitimacy to the events, and one major thing is a million Patriots in DC show Huge support!