k, so i have been texting my mom for like 2 days non-stop all this shit. and i do want to share cause it might be relevant to someone else? who knows. i am bored.

I have been trying to explain to mom that she is a bigot because she doesn't like people with different value systems to her.

It isn't exactly her fault. The media messages it so fucked up.

I mean, she really believes people vote for trump because they are entrenched in tjse white nationalist ideologies and the progressive truths threaten their white identity.

It just seems to me that most trump voters, don't have a confedrate flag and a copy of the mein kamf next to their bible. I think people are faith votes or people who want to protect their freedom. I don't claim to understand everyone's motivations, cause I am not a rural person and don't really demographically fit in with maga. But I try to be practical about what might be motivating voters other than their white identity.

I tried to get into how abortion policy for republicans is a faith based issue and people who are christian value faith and that is their right. I want to show her how she is trampling on the value system of Republicans.

She thinks she is trampling on backwards ideas that are not educated regarding a women's right to have abortion.

Anyway.

I got into "black or bust"

Ultimately

She is asking a bunch of people, who are white, and do have a right to vote in their own self interest without being racist.

I thought maybe alot of trump voters don't live in the city and most black people live in the city. So they don't really interact and race relations are not such an issue in rural communities.

I tried to show her how Trump people felt about liberal imposition of their moral code. She doesn't see it that way, she thinks it is just the right way to make the world a better place.

I brought up 1619 and suggested maybe it is okay to add more information about black people into the education system, but it made people uncomfortable because it centers the entire education process around race relations. She went on and on. I did get her a bit because I forced her to question why discussing black race relations was better than talking about all race relations. I wanted to understand or critique the need for it to be a black thing. What about the chinese who built the railroad and panama canal and stuff. She gives me some shit about them not being oppressed in 2020. Anyway. the only way I could crack it was to explain she was scaring people with alot of the stuff liberals want to educate with because it isn't just 1619, it is radical sex ed. They call it sex education, but it has nothing to do with reproductive organs or responsible behavior. it is about non-science stuff like homosexuality. that is called an education about love. but I think I won by showing her that she was being pushy by trying to tell everyones kids about homosexuality in the 3rd grade.

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I convinced her to consider prayer in school. She was all about these rules about how the kids could and couldn't pray, but she ended up looking foolish. She said they couldn't pray during school hours. I asked about recess and lunch hours. She said no, that is school time, no prayer. I asked if they could have a bible study on the playground. She didn't know, it was more of a legal issue than a moral one. Absolutely nothing led by an adult though. She was very adamant that kids could pray by themselves at school, but not with a group during the lunch hour. I asked her if a table of 9th grade kids that went to youth group together could pray at their lunch table together before they eat? she thought that would be okay maybe, it depended on the district. I asked her what constituted prayer. Could people pray in silence? Like if the bible study is okay but there is no prayer allowed during bible study, what constitutes prayer. like can you bow your head in a moment of silence. anyway. crazy ass shit. she looks pretty silly talking about whether highschool kids have a constitutional right to say a prayer together at their lunchroom table. and all these special factors come in to play to dictate her decision about right or wrong school prayer. we talked about buddhist doing meditation together, okay, now what if they are saying mantras out loud together?

the bottom line for me though and I think for alot of people.. they don't care about the stupid interpretations of the constitution designed to target some dominant christian theology. But she expects trump voters to "get it", that "they can't do that", because there is "separation of church and state". She doesn't understand, and I could be wrong, most people don't care about a bunch of laws. This is fucking america, i think the church youth group is allowed to say a prayer at the lunchroom table together.

If that isn't allowed in america. I think most people think it ought to be. She started going on and on about what is the buddhist supposed to do during prayer and im like i dont care. she wants to know all this stuff what about the buddhist. like, i don't give a shit if the buddhist meditates during lunch. but nobody is saying people can't meditate during school hours, cause that is a valid form of prayer. Or a silent form of prayer, unless they are sayin' stuff while they meditate. You better not be speaking in tongues during school hours!

this shit. i dunno america.

it really is.

it is a bigoted war being conducted by liberals against christians

it is crazy though, cause honestly. these people don't know they are wrong.

the elitist can't see their own elitism

the elitist liberal wants to shift the value system of the trump voter

it isn't about respecting your neighbor as a liberal

it isn't cool with liberals if their neighbor votes for people because they are doing more jesus and america stuff

the liberal believes the value system of prioritizing god and country is improper.

it is super difficult to communicate.

i have developed a role playing thing.

cause i can play her dumb little language game all day where we say words and change them and recontextualize and metaphoricalize and whatever.

it is this intellectual elite crap

they got this special set of words and ideas from the university

and i don't think most people hear out people with fancy words talking about socialism and calling them nationalist.

i told her that shit too. wtf is this nationalist shit. I really don't even think alot of people who say they are nationalist even know what that means totally. it is just like nation, yes. country, yes. america, yes. nationalism, yes. I like my nation. I am nationalist. But she turns it into this whole thing where nationalism is bad but patriotism is good. but I can't seem to inform her that i didn't think many trump voters were trying to differentiate themselves between nationalist and patriot cause they are kinda the same thing. it just means fucking america, whatever.

she is convinced everyone is engaged in white nationalist, but i am pretty convinced most the people getting called white nationalist is, don't even know what fucking nationalism is. it is just a fancy word for liking the country.

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it is super weird.

i am trying not to play the game

i am trying to force common sense

instead of liberal logic

cause maga people use common sense and make decisions for themselves.

socialist retards use some backwards liberal logic they learned at the indoctrination station and make decisions for everyone else.

she thinks that the "rednecks" are gonna "figure it out" someday.

i don't really think that way lol

like i think the "rednecks" have a different value system than her and that she doesn't respect it very much.

she doesn't listen to what the redneck people are telling her about their political opinion

she doesn't want to know how they feel or what they think

she wants them to learn to do better stuff or something.

i dunno.

i guess i do too. but i don't have some fucked up twisted view that i need to erase someone elses value system.

i guess i am just choosing to articulate the opinion of a bunch of maga people to my mother. big deal.

but most maga people don't speak libtard

and of course all she see is like "faces of wal-mart{" maga people and opinions.

she knows everyone is in the secret kkk that operates in the basement of their church and they are waiting to come to an urban area near her and radicalize the youth with neo-nazi propaganda

but she can connect anything to racism with words.

but it is kinda alright, cause she barely knows she is doing it and you gotta call them out. they constantly recontextualize and tell you what they actually said or actually meant.

but they will also tell you how important words and language are.

but if you try to pin them down on a word they have this magical way of manipulating the nature of reality in which they can really prove any point they want if you let them.

i swear to god america. I asked my mother if a history lesson about alexander graham bell needed to mention race relations. she really had to think about it. she couldn't just say no. that is not right. she started going on about all these black inventors that don't receive credit. like that is great… but that had nothing to do with the question and you have to ask again to show them that they did the subject change thing. It doesn't work that way. They won't answer the question, they answer with a fact that makes the question irrelevant. anyway. so i ask the question again. instead of saying, something about whether or not there should be race relations included in the education about alexander grahahm bell. she responds by telling me a black person invented the light bulb and told me how important the lightbulb is in my life. like wtf. that is not an answer, that is a fun fact or something. then you ask the question again. "Should race relations be included in an education about alexander graham bell?" I shit you not. Tears in the eyes. Total shutdown. Can't handle it.

It isn't one issue. It is alot of them.

Today. We argued over whether or not the democrats were pro-choice and republicans pro-life. she kept telling me that she knew republicans who were pro-choice and how she didn't know if the RNC was pro-choice. and i was like yea. but in general mom, the republicans have always been pro-life and the democrats pro-choice. i fucking shit you not. she argued with me for 20 minutes telling me that she just didn't know which side was which.

but she has been a lifelong democrat and always been pro choice and i know that and has always known the republicans vote pro life. but why was it so difficult to establish something that seems like common knowledge. yea the left is pro-choice and right is pro-life. but i couldn't say it. it became about the RNC and a few republicans she knows who are not that way. it is just insane america. this is my mother. my normal moderate liberal mother. and they got her so washed out by this shit she can't figure out what is real anymore. facts that were facts to her a month ago are not facts anymore. but they are facts. and she knows they are facts. and then she gets real weird when i point that out. i try to tell her i am not mad at her or anything. i am not trying to convince her that she knows already that the left is pro-choice and the right pro-life. it doesn't strike her as odd, that for 20 minutes we argued over whether that was true or not. maybe i am crazy america. i am the nutjob with a keyboard. it is just so weird cause my mom has never been that way, but maybe she is getting old.

like life is super confusing cause i call my family and they are all super brainwashed and can't even have a conversation about abortion cause they can't decide which political party represents for and against abortion.

i don't really need to have a conversation about abortion.

but i call my family. for some fucking stability.

like i am a schizophrenic. i dont know what is going on right now with the nature of reality cause it is confusing.

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and it is crazy cause I am not talking to my family

i am talking to people who are not acting like my family

and my family says things like facts matter, but they never have any facts for me

then they tell me turn off the computer and quit playing terrorism with the neo-nazi, but the neo-nazis have more facts and i dont think they are very racist facts.

so i am a schizophrenic being asked to choose a better reality the being a Q-head. i dunno. i dont know anyone in real life to help me figure out what is real and not.

like ya'll are cool and you tell me everything is alright, that is fine and dandy if i want to trust a bunch of terrorist on the web

but i would rather trust my own mother to tell me reality is.

but she isn't offering me some lefty opinion… it is weird stuff america. like super weird. i mean. i hope this is a one-off and not the state of the progressive psyche.

like i see that i can be a bridge between liberals and maga folks. so i try to do that some. i am bi-lingual or politically transexual or something.

>>12511373

good

go back to the field and grow my food

>>12511391

i can't

i really can't

i got a problem where i can't figure out which reality is real and so i am a bit psychotic and stuck between two fake mockingbird realities or something

i dont know. it is really weird feeling and maybe it isnt true.

but i am like clinically crazy, but i feel more stable than all the Q-plan fanatics and my socialist mother.\

it is just stressing me out

like i am supposed to be the crazy one and i am having crazy problems

but everyone else just fucking whacked out too.

anyway.

i am way to gpne to construct a sentence

and i dont really care

i am just rambling and i dont want to proofread everything

>>12511426

Yea dude.

It is so stupid to post things about talking to liberals. They are all demon pedophiles and Q is gonna put them in prison forever!

Fucking moron. You sound like one of them. You gotta talk to them and make sense of eachother.

Go ahead. be the big man. tell me you are gonna do the civil war and raise the christian nation on behalf of us all.

you can call me stupid for posting about aconversation with a liberal

but i think it is relevant to anyone who might not live in hillbilly america surrounded by trump people. some people are in cities, surrounded by fucking socialist and have real problems to deal with while you sit their on your fucking keyboard telling me to stfu

>>12511504

You don't know what bread shitting is. You should learn before spewing crap around.