These concepts are not easy to articulate. We do not shared a common vocabulary for these abstract complex concepts. Where people try, they get attacked for not using words that others like. Miscommunication is the bane of our existence. Try to be patient. A great many people can't discuss more that what is on TV or what they have been told. When you hear something new, it might be worth try to understand even if not correct or doesn't fit your perceived notions.