EMB/CH pics.
Comparison re reflections.
CH3
https://qanon.pub/data/media/fd969e3c4f6a4eea625d8ab67269e4771ca1dd268268d91edac710a2877c2820.png
CAP of vid before sunrise, MARK 42 seconds, 2020
https://youtu.be/MR3NrpzhR38
CAP from vid OF Marathon route. mark 1min 4 secs, 13 APR 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaHZB91HsK4
Night pic, long exposure, date 4 FEB 2011
https://media.8kun.top/file_store/91cc68daaafa46dbfef8c5ccafe8b666ed31e4b7f815b2e89dd276e64318fc83.png
^^^
CH3 shows reflection off marquee, same area as in the high res CH at Night vid.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/X2K4RvjMCMRL/
PIC related.
The front facade and signage of the PLAYHOUSE is angled and sort of opens toward the position of the side/rears of the vehicles captured in these images.
This supports anon's assessment that the reflection in CH3 is very good resemblance to the SPAMALOT signage. The distortion appears like a horizonal compression or 'squeeze', like might see in a fun house mirror.
TY Anon, gud catch. Find MORE typos if I post pics as I DIG. Maybe I shud showmorepatience, kek.
Correction made to grahic, here.
15 NOV 2012 TO 12 APR 2014.
The SPAMALOT marquee indicates the earliest that for CH3 would be opening night, 15 NOV 2012.
Bookends, 15 NOV 2012 to 2 MAR 2014, possibly excluding all of 2 MAR 2014.
MEANWHILE, take another look at ROT1. I think we might agree that, at the very least, the reflections from that side of the street and from the vicinity of the marquee are quite different in colour and shape than the reflection cast by SPAMALOT.
ABCD and E = 5 Reflections of note
Of particular interest is the bright reflection on the surface of the roadway in the oncoming right lane.
ABCD are on the theatre side of the vehicles and look like a repeated reflection from the marquee.
E looks like a reflection from the windows up the side of the hotel.
The exposure might contribute to the washed-out effect which may not be due to greater intensity from the source. On the other hand, some marquees appear to be self-lit, from within/behind, while others are flood-lit and so are reflective rather than projecting.
I think. But could be mistaken. THE various vectors involved form a triangle between the vantage points of 1. sign surface, 2. vehicle surface, 3. camera lense. The angle of the sign, mounted flat on a curved building facade, and the angle of the passing vehicle, contribute to the distortion captured at the camera position.
THAT said, I think that ROT1 is populated by reflections that are different, at source, from CH3. This could signify a marker within the interval for the EMB/CH pics as a set.
Given the differences in ROT1 and CH3, could proceed with the notion that when the show changed there was at least a short period of time during which the signage was more or less blanked as the old was taken down, the front of the building prepped, and the new was installed. For example, if, as anon previous mentioned, the intensity of the lighting was altered, there would be some electrical work done either way. Might mean a blank white space for awhile. A duller reflection might simply be the result of few, if any, new lighting switched on but some ambient lighting helping to throw off reflections.
Spitballing.
Apologies for the typoh. ROT3 shows the hotel, not ROT1. Guess the ROT subset goes where ROT3 goes as far as bookends, but that was an error on my part in prev post.
ROT3, not ROT1.
Excellent observation, anon. If you have pics to nail that down, please post them. A subdued lighting would help with process of elimination as per below.
LONDON PICS, Playhouse signage.
Compare SV MAY 2012 and SV MAY 2014. Within this 2 year interval there would have been 3 different marquees in the signage.
DREAMBOTS installed.
DREAMBOATS torn down; blanked.
SPAMALOT installed.
SPAMALOT torn down, blanked.
1984 installed
Note that SPAMALOT was not captured directly in the SV imagery. Some user-pics may have been attached to locations in this part of London which might show this marquee. Something to look for.
The installation of DREAMBOATS would have occured outside of CH3 interval given the SPAMALOT reflection. So that full-on display is elminated along with its intallation, i.e. item 1 in the list above.
The tear down of SPAMALOT would have occurred beyond 2 MAR 2014. Item 4 eliminated along with a blanked display and item 5, the installation of 1984.
That leaves just items 2 and 3, plus the regular SPAMALOT display during most of the musicial's continuous run after 14 NOV 2012.
The recently posted night vid of the hotel area shows a reflection that resembles the bright white reflection of ROT3.
https://media.8kun.top/file_store/1e65bc054241b636f340928718dcbef8ac8e4f394ed6320c1940826f94f6a512.png
https://www.bitchute.com/video/X2K4RvjMCMRL/
That vid was recorded before 2 MAR 2014 as per the lack of the first aid sign. But this reflection does not closely resemble CH3.
Could be 2, DREAMBOATS torn down; blanked.
On the other hand, for completeness, must include CH2 in which hard to see a SPAMALOT reflection. There might be a partial near the rear of the dark cab in lower right of CH2; and maybe a partial colour match, blue, on the front side window of the vehicle in the other lane, lower left corner.
Also note the lack of very bright reflection on the surface of the road as seen in ROT3 by the cabman shelter. So reflections in CH2 is a bit like CH3 and a bit like ROT3.
This means, for now, item 2 not eliminated, but is weak support, if any, for the SPAMALOT signage; could be a blank, more or less, during tear down of DREAMBOATS and setup of SPAMALOT; that would push the bookend to shortly before 14 NOV 2012.
IF can eliminate item 2, that would leave only item 3 as a possible marker.
SPAMALOT reflection in CH3 is fairly dim which could be an indicator of an incompleted installation not fully lit prior to opening night; or a more subdued new installation that began its run on or shortly before 14 NOV 2012.
Guess can't rule out a power problem on one particular night at the theatre, IDK.
The presumptive 'blank' between DREAMBOATS and SPAMALOT could have occured within ROT1 interval if it can be seperated from CH3.
>>13633029, >>13631807, >>13632313
Keep in mind that ROT3 does not show the location of the first aid sign; but it does show the location of the other sign on WHITEHALL PLACE which appeared on or before 2 MAR 2014. It would be on that basis that would rule out the SPAMALOT tear down and its replacement with the 1984 signage. Otherwise, the shroud on the rooftop behind BB would remain the bookend for ROT3 given its close association with ROT1 and ROT2.
Now would be a good time to confirm that ROT3 was captured within moments of the other two traf cam pics. Have we already covered that ground well enough? Eliminated the possibiity that ROT3 was taken at a different time?
Here is an examle of a 'blank' marquee between shows.
https://www.theatre-london.org.uk/Siteadmin/EventsImages/Playhouse.jpg
https://www.theatre-london.org.uk/theatres/Playhouse-Theatre-London.aspx
Closer look at the SPAMALOT signage.
DAY
https://www.london-infoguide.de/playhouse-theatre/playhouse-theatre-london/
https://www.london-infoguide.de/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/playhouse-theatre-london.jpg
NIGHT
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g186338-d1654976-Reviews-Playhouse_Theatre-London_England.html#photos;aggregationId=101&albumid=101&filter=7&ff=64473321
Unlike other shows, SPAMALOT had a sign above second level and it was very bright white self-lit line. Makes a bit more sense of the ROT3 reflections, perhaps.
Compare same spot with the stock photo of 2 MAR 2014. Bright white at night, dull yellow by day. Excuse my pointing so gratuitously. Carry on.
Previous 'blank' found earliest, JUN 2014
Not necessarily when it was shot, but at least posted no later than 25 JUN 2014. Could be the signage between SPAMALOT and 1984. Or from earlier, between DREAMBOATS and SPAMALOT.
Another example of a 'blank', 2016
http://c0056906.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/351333-3.jpg
Interdasting detail about the PLAYHOUSE. Its upper floor was added on to finance its rennovations; the third band is not the theatre but is comprised of units sold or leased. Developer, Robin Gonshaw. Occupants?
http://www.thisistheatre.com/londontheatre/playhousetheatre.html
Would post the whole article, but for now here is the gist of what caught my attention.
During the five years after the BBC stopped using it, a number of owners and managements considered various possibilities of using the Playhouse, including converting it into a 'theatre restaurant', but nothing materialised, usually because it was reckoned it was either too small to be profitable or else too far off the beaten tracks of the 'West End'. But then in early l98l property developer Robin Gonshaw drove past the boarded-up building: "I saw the 'For Sale' board, got a key and fell totally in love with the place, even though it was in a state of terrible disrepair. I'm not a theatre man, though my sister and daughter are actresses and my wife and I have always loved going to plays. But as soon as I saw the Playhouse I knew that I wanted to get it back to being a live theatre again, and I began to think about how that might be achieved. The asking price was £700,000 cash, and I knew that we'd need about another million to get it into working order, so the first thing I thought about was the New York system of 'air rights', whereby you make use of the space above a building to help pay for it."
The result was a whole new floor was added for offices and apartments that could be sold - visually from the outside the complete 'third' floor band, added to match the original - and the benefit of this was that the theatre could be renovated so that, after a gap of some 40 years, legitimate theatre could return once again to the stage of the Playhouse.
Apart from sdome benign and undistinctive story behind the presence of the yellow bike in that location in all of Q's pics feature that particular hotel, The Corinthia Hotel, to quote our fave anon, what about the notion that it served as a signal.
A bit clock and daggerish, yes. Seems a rather novel thing to do, leaving a bike at such a location. Not seen in other pics/vids of the area, as far as I recall.
Thinking that a courier would ride something more road-warrior.
LondonLP
Q 2794
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#2794
https://qanon.pub/data/media/57732ac96567ed1993028a8700edf1bb3bf38b593a79832eaea2c66cc6d5a3a7.png
It has only just dawned on me.
Another future proves past?
What if the counter move predated the apparent move?
LP
[HE]LP
VIVA
[SUR]VIVA[L]
VIVA
[RE]VIVA[L]
Viv[a] vs Viv[e]
en francais, sur = on
HE & RE = HERE
HERE L
La vs Le
She versus He
Search results for Q's use of viva = 6 x survival and 1 x revival.
Other than the LP viva post.
Looking at the bike, and road warrior notion, thought suvival of the fittest. Looked for it and there it was.
Q2811
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#2811
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: 441976 No.5266509📁
Feb 19 2019 13:48:03 (EST)
Anonymous ID: a68890 No.5266411📁
Feb 19 2019 13:43:13 (EST)
>>5266371
In control of what?
NOTHING. That's what.
>>5266411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LIzKEc4n_w📁
Are you ready, shill?
Survival of the FITTEST.
Q
Q 1559
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#1559
Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: 9ddda6 No.1813048📁
Jun 19 2018 10:53:55 (EST)
DECLAS
LP “Viva Le Resistance.”
Viv[a] vs Viv[e]
[J C]
Why classified by intel comm @ highest level?
Define title.
Define role w/ Mueller.
Exchange shelters VERY senior member.
Q
Q 1538
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#1538
LP released after…..
PS will be released after…..
Just because something isn’t public doesn’t mean…
Q
Q 96
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#96
Amazing how things make sense once you are asked a question.
That's the entire point of this operation.
It's up to you all to collect, archive (safely), and distribute in a graphic that is in order with the crumb dumbs.
It will all make sense.
Once it does, we look to you to spread and get the word out.
Time stamps will help you validate authenticity.
Your President needs your help.
He wants full transparency for the great people of this country.
Everything stated is for a reason.
God bless, Patriots.
Q
Q 1589
https://qanon.pub/index2.html#1589
Coming soon to a theater near you.
PS/LP texts are only scratching the surface.
Threats of assassination?
They are preparing for this by activating progressive activists.
RED LINE.
Q
That was part of Q's re-posting of Q 1588
JetBlue Airbus A321
Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: 388aee No.1915880📁
Jun 26 2018 20:04:01 (EST)
>>1915774
Coincidence?
Review image/location.
Nothing provided is random.
SFO>JFK
A321
Direct
Q
There are direct flights to/fro London, A321?
PS/LP
Exchange shelters VERY senior member.
[a] exchange [e]
shelters [plural]
VERY, think [E]VERY
senior member, think BIDEN 'acting' president
Has not yet come to past?
That solitary sign resembles a sign later used at the HISP entrance. It was an OPEN sign. In and old bread zoomed in on the newly used sign and found it had a graphic of the bow of the HISP which was also featured on the menu back in 2013/14.
But, have not seen it other than during the big lane changes made for the TIDEWAY project that parked itself right there and necessitated the HISP's change in entrance from sidewalk. The sign was used to remind passersby that there was a restaurant open despite the disruptions.
But have not yet go a clear pic of that solitary sign from 2013/2014. That means it could have been a road sign related to a special event on Embankment, like a marathon or a holiday celebration. Have not seen it up for other events, though. Still even one-ofs are valid once we have the evidence of a standalone situation. Keeping an eye out, fren.
Yeap, my mistake.
13 APR 2011, NOT APR 2013.
The bike stall at kerbside was a dead giveaway, too.
That bike hire docking station had two stalls, originally. The one remaining is actually split into two parts. The one that was removed is one of the very few that did get eliminated in the early years of expansion of the system. Down Embankment at the corner of Horse Guards was another kerbside stall but that one was on the street and took up car parking space. When the car lanes were reduced to make way for the bike-only lane, this stall was also removed but I think it got relocated nearby. Would have to doublecheck that. These installations, and de-installations, are very reliable markers or updates as per Q's general instructions to date the London Pics. Another stall is on a side road in the vicinity of the RED BUS pic on Coventry. It could have been used by a visitor, if so inclined, in a quick trip from the Junction area to Leicester Square or Piccadilly; at the time the trip would not have cost a cent because could do it in under half hour, taking a hire from the Corinthia Hotel to that docking station by Coventry. Very convenient and a pleasant way to move about in good weather.
Made me think that the man in the Winter Wonderland pic may have clipped up the cuffs of his trousers on such a trip to a bus stop for a private rental double-decker to the theme park. But only time will tell on that possibility.
>re-visit FEB 2014 then for lunar dates coinciding with a Waning Gibbous Moon
You are onto something there, fren.
At this point, FEB 2014 looks the most promising, now that APR was eliminated and then MAR 2014.
The shroud could date the pics all the way back to NOV 2013, but the advert boards at HISP were likely for spring menu updates. Maybe not so much spring as start of a new year, IDK.
So, yeh, think you are right to re-visit FEB 2014 coz seems most promising. Of course, could still be 1st of MAR with possibility of early morning 2 MAR 2014 before the dawn.
A more recent example of a 'blank' sign on PLAYHOUSE.
CAP of a vid post 13 MAR 2018.
Exploring Charing Cross, March 13, 2018 https://youtu.be/jwNuh89R9qs
>It closed on 4 August 2012.
DREAMBOATS closed AUG 2012 and SPAMALOT later opened on NOV 2012. That would be the interval for a blank sign; at the start of the interval there'd be the tear down of DREAMBOATS and at the end the appearance of the new SPAMALOT sign/s.
So, maybe 2-3 months of blankish.
Just for completedness. Not applicable for bookend of this set of Q pics coz shroud would not permit it.
Progess made by elimination of MAR 2014.
The vid of the night view of the hotel originated with a promo vid of the CH. It was not dated specifically. The kerbside bike hire stall appears in the lower left corner of frame when the rest of the docking station is in the shot. The very bright white reflection that fell on the passing vehicle in that snippet of the CH promo vid suggests that it was recorded during a 'blank' interval at the PLAYHOUSE. Looking like it was shot between 4 AUG and 14 NOV 2012. Close enough for a valid comparison with the night pics that Q dropped.
Kek, but no yellow bike. That showed up about a year later.
"'It's rare to see a JetBlue A321 here in Long Beach.'"
Info:
JetBlue B6 6114
Airbus A321-200 (N990JL) 2.6 years old "Seize the Mo Mint"
Depart: Long Beach (LGB) 8:03 AM (PDT)
Arrive: Newark (EWR) 3:51 PM (EDT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7943LSkt_eM
JetBlue has moved ops from Long Beach to Los Angeles airport because of impact of the slowdown with anti-travel re COVID.
JetBlue's time at Long Beach Airport has come to an end. After serving the airport for almost 20 years, they elected to move their focus city over to LAX.
JetBlue Airways arrived at Long Beach a year after it commenced operations. The airport was designed to act as an alternative to flying into LAX.
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Seat: 4A (Even More Space) & 24F (Economy)
Flight Number: B6232 & B6231
Route: Long Beach Airport (LGB) to Salt Lake City International Airport (SLC) and back
Flight Time: 1 hour, 26 minutes going there, 1 hour, 25 minutes coming back
Date of Travel: October 6, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HnUJNaUnAk
>Cabmen's Shelter 1st Aid sign persisted for months.
TY for delving in again, fren, always good working with you and our persistent team of UK anons. Tippytop query.
There is overlap between these signs and the change in bollards/islands. Think of it like a hand-off in a relay race. We are catching segments of the race, sometimes starting later than earlier, and vice versa. Laying the segments together we form a sequence through the apperance of the overlaps or hand-offs. In retrospect, the bollards changed permanently to one-legged type; but that was preceded by the memorial which overlapped with the frame-type bollards that may or may not have shown up first; and now we see that the memorial and the frames showed up with this 'extra' sign on a post at least on, or before 25 MAR - and that may be due to a road event, we do not know with certainty; but on that same date, the first aid sign remained in its place; this overlap, in turn, took us back to 2 MAR. The yellow bike is a marker across the Q pics in this area and it was there all this time without getting our attention until those signs were noticed.
Amazing how we have had so much more than we knew. It is possible that the yellow bike came and went during the interval covered by this sequence of hand-offs. It was inits place for each of these hand-offs.
My text does not do this justice. Needs to be illustrated. Werking on that and welcome suggetions or examples of what works for anons who'd have had the same query. This is how the digz pay-off, through communication of the info; from there, when future proves past, the comms become easier for new eyes.
This, seems to me, is the mission we have from the instructions in Q's London posts. To my eye, that's a worthy project to become dedicated to carrying forwards and the team here has been marvelous. Truly.
1/3
>March 1 or 2 dates is not gud for lunar match on ROT1. THAT IS IF WE ARE STILL CONNECTING THE CORINTHIA HOTEL PICS TO EMBANKMENT PICS. Those March lunar match dates were MAR17-20
I confess that I was very happy with those dates; and yet concerned with the timing of the appearace of the HISP advert boards, which cannot be demands attention, because two Q pics show the boards on the handrails. This is like the TATT's funnel and the shroud; each seems a deliberate overlap to hint at the sequence being communicated to us. To prompt anons to firm-up the connexions. When the pices are put together then meaning may be discovered and we will all slap our foreheads and say, it was right there all along.
The magic eye of the anon who spotted the consistency of the form of the shroud, even as it changed across time outside of the interval we discovered, meant we had the connexion between LisaMI6 and the other EMB pics right through to the CH pics. This gives me reason to believe this can be done with ALL of the London collection. We know the hazard of jumping to conclusions through experiencing the first lesson that the 2015/2016 assumption was hinted at by Q only to prompt us to question it by digging deeper. And so with each of these connexions, we are mean to search for more confirmation to firm it all up as solid ground to build on.
Developing the lunar evidence, bringing it to bear on each overlap, seems to be necessary but very constraining at the same time. One pic and only one pic with that bright object in the night sky. And then there is the sky of London2847. We have more than we know. When these pieces fall into place, it will be very satisfying, am sure of that.
The start of MAR may not help with the lunar dig, natch, yet it is a piece that wass noted for the sake of completedness, lest it be overlooked or forgotten. May turn out to be trivial and useful, at most, to confirm a new conclusion drawn with process of elimintion.
Yes, the MILLBANK lights and shroud are fantastic connexions across these pics. The sequencing gets weaker as we move from the ROT subset to London2947 and to LisaMI6, which may not be a weakness in the fuller picture, because these connexions can be developed as we continue the dig and analysis. Geography links them, natch, and these markers add chronological links, strong links.
>There was a man in a YELLOW MACK at the bike rack which helped tie that (ROT3?) pic to one of the CH nighttime pics. Then another gent at the bike rack in a RED CYCLIST JACKET W/HOOD seemed to match two of the CH PICS.
These are gud, yet see them with new eyes and ask if that would be strong enough to see a connexion. The ole 'MAGIC EYE' - a term that the originating anon ought to trademark - can cause distractions and even handwaving dismissals of the whole effort. But these are markers that we do have to start with. Personally, I have connected the red hat to the RED BUS pic and that screams to be linked to the WW pics. More hand-offs. Each needs corroboration and I think that this can be found through sequencing; and vice versa, discovering such links, no matter how tenuous at first, leads to developing the sequences.
>MILLBANK building lighting matches. … I had felt all of the 3 MILLBANK pics were "not in contradiction" with one another.
My previous query was asked from perspective of new eyes. The werk is solid enough for our digz; is it solid enough when we lay out the full picture in the future to prove past, IDK. Am convinced it helps, a great deal, and want to keep a skeptical approach so as to forearm us with the means to back up all of the connexions. Relying on all the team here to apply that ruthlessless so as to keep the standard high.
Recall the pictorial evidence that the lights on the tower, on the floor that is well-lit in the Q pics, went on before dark. This supports the notion that the bar up there was open for business on the nights these were taken; but it may not need to carry that burden and may serve to links some pics which are linked to other pics through other means. Those lights did lead to a dig on occupants and that may prove invaluable. The scope and depth of the digz goes beyond dating the pics, but the dating project has prompted so many offshoot digz that am convinced that familarity with the dating and sequencing will be a huge contribution when the time comes.
Always open ourselves to challenges to what we have found. Can be annoying but almost always such queries become productive lines of pursuit.
And you made a fantastic point about showing what we have learned about the tower lights. Finding the bits and pieces can be hard enough; communicating with clarity - and with potential confirmation bias lurking - is always gonna be harder for the likes of this anon. But it comes with the mission, here, I think.
2/3
>lunar match of ROT1's Moon, using bearing, time of evening (after business hours of TATT/HISP) and moonphase that would be in that portion of the night sky at that time of evening, are: The evenings* of FEB16, 17 and 18.
TY FREN.
The previous MAR interval has been eliminated even though it was based on gud evidence. At this point, there is no evidence to limit ourselves to FEB, for now, but there is a practical reason.
Focus of effort.
Unfortunately, not sure we have much to go on within FEB 2014. Focus can generate what is needed, perhaps.
There is a contradiction in the evidence. The HISP advert boards are in two Q pics and can be well-established as persisting on the scene beyond our current 2 MAR 2014 bookend. Yet the do no seem to be in evidence on 16 MAR 2014, a date for which we have excellent video recording that has a solid 'date taken'. The contradiction is that the HISP boards show up in our evidence only AFTER the current time interval for those two Q pics that show them in their place on the handrails.
How to reconcile? There are three boards. At best, if I were to really, really, want to see it, there might be one board on the handrails in the 16 MAR vid. Maybe others can see three boards there, comfortably. Seems too ambiguous given the significance of these being in those Q drops.
This bit of contradiction could throw a spanner into the werks that produced the connexions across the series of EMB/CH pics so far. This contradiction may be apparent, not real, but it needs to be reconciled some way.
So anons please feel aditional encouragement to take a closer look at the 16 MAR video. If the evidence is unclear on the presence of those 3 boards, then, will need more evidence BEFORE 2 MAR 2014.
We went through this with the shroud. Process of elimination helped but that produced a very broad interval going back to SEP/OCT possibly - with greater certainty back to NOV at the latest. NOV is a firmer date than SEPT/OCT but it does not rule out those earlier months. At the other end, the memorial and then the first aid sign narrowed the interval from the shroud's late-MAR/ early-APR possibity. Recall that we developed a working notion that the memorial and the bollard changes occured almost immediately after the documented fatal accident. That helped open up the middle of MAR for matching with lunar evidence.
3/3[+]
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And that is something like what we may be up against with the advert boards.
So far do not have evidence of 3 boards up earlier than MAY 2014. That's in SV so it could be anytime of that month, as far as the info available at this moment. The same boards persisted well into the summer and, based on a posted-by date with a title that refers to the autumn, possibly into SEP/OCT 2014.
Started with the working notion of the boards changing for spring men updates, possibly new year updates, at least in the subsequent two years. Then RETROACTIVELY applying that notion to the first year the boards appeared on the handrails. Conjecture based on currently gathered evidence. Still, just a working notion.
That could be reconciled with Q pics, but the apaprently lack of these boards on 16 MAR contradicts. Boards could have gone on, been taken off, put back on, IDK. Maybe the boards are in the 16 MAR vid and their visibility is obscured, IDK.
If you have gotten this far in this text, consider a potential contradiction in another subset of London Pics, by way of a comparison only.
The WW pics were intermixed in Q posts with the RED BUS pic and ROT/CH pics. The first London pic in the series, LONDON, preceded these, and the last, LisaMI6 followed the Q pic we know was taken more recently than the others, Black Box. Q posted text specific to the significance of the WW pics. So the integration of the series, as a series, and as subsets within that series, begs for sequencing through connexions across the board.
WW timeframe is basically the holiday season, Christmas, and, specifically, the middle of winter 2013/2014. The first contradiction is with the assumption that 2014/2016 was definitive for the pics. Not so, we learned, through the WW pics themselves. Another contradiction persists.
The first WW pic, of the feet of two individuals, was posted closely, integrated directly, with PICCADILLY pics. Yet there is no evidence of Christmas at Piccadilly in those images even though the statue at the centre of the circus was, that winter, encased in a plastic bubble to resemble a snowglass. That was just out of camera frame, if it was there at the time the pics where taken. The closest London Pic, geographically, was RED BUS, and it was posted with the first WW PIC, closely integrated in Q's posting sequence. And it, too, lacks evidence of Christmas, even though Coventry Street was decorated overhead with bright lights that would have shone spectacuarly on the shiny surfaces of the Red Bus. If those decorations were present at that time, they were just out of shot, overhead, and certainly not switched on. So why obscure signs of Christmas if that was the timeframe? The lack of evidence of the Season could be reconciled even if the timeframe was Christmas, I suppose, but these bits and pieces can not stand in contradiction as factual pieces of the puzzle.
Close examination of the contents within the camera frames is very tedious but also rewarding. Looking for other sources of the same scenes is a search for corroboration and, by comarison, of discovery for details that connect, or disconnect, one Q pic from another. Sameness and distinctiveness work together to inform us. Pics, on their own, carry little direct meaning; but in context, where that context can be confirmed, shines a bright light. Or can if we follow the crumbs along the path intended.
And so the contradictions prompt us to acknowledge that we do not know what we do not yet know. Reconciling bits that are in contradiction may come down to distinguishing between apparent and real contradictions, of course. Hence the significance of context.
Noticing details can be an intuitive thing that can not be learned as a skill. BUT searching with blunt force is within all of us. The camera frame provides a limitation, a boundary, and Q seems to have used that to push us just beyond the edges of the London Pics. Just over there, possibly, is a bit that makes more sense of what is inside the boundary.
This comparison can bring us back to the lunar evidence and, now, the propsect of a traiing or associated Mars in the night sky. THAT is a wonderful addition to the dig that may pay off enormously. Or, to keep us sketpical, it may become a stumbling stone for new eyes even if its value comes to light.
Contradictions find us. And, I think, we should be open to finding them ourselves.
Cheers to all.
WWG1WGA
Recall that Q confirmed the trafcam that took the ROT pics. That confirmation was made with an image taken from SV MAY 2012. It would not have been possible to confirm with SV MAY 2014 because the trafcam was not on its perch then. But confirmation via a later SV image or some other way was possible. While I DO NOT claim the anon post to which Q had replied by making that confirmation is in any way a frauduent post; not at all; however, sometimes I do think that Q has posted as a regular anon to help setup responses; but not even that much needs to be accepted to acknowledge that Q could find many different ways to confirm something that Q decided is useful to confirm or to communicate with anons.
So, as everything has meaning, consider that the trafcom was confirmed in a specifc way with an image that long pre-dates the 2015/2016 timeframe that was implied, and not confirmed, in text Q posted during the various postings of London Pics.
Why post an image from 2012? To prompt comprisons, perhaps, based on updates and markers within the camera frame. To point to a camera that would go missing for a period fo time? To situate LisaMI6 that would come later but would be taken with a handheld camera instead? To prompt anons to go to higher ground, as it were, to view the scene? Can be many gud reasons.
One that comes to the foreground, just today, was prompted by the new TATT pic that anon posted. It is a remarkable image.
The source provided is a link directly to the image. Would be very useful to have moar along the path to that image. The original source, as it were. Tineye finds nothing.
Meanwhile, substatively, this new image looks like a composite. I can not say it is with 100 percent certainty and am not making a claim of fact. Looking at the lighting of various parts, it is very difficult to stage such a shot much less to have all factors needed to just happen on their own as you are there waiting with a high res means of capturing the image.
Please examine it with care. Compare with other images. It may well be genuine and might be authenticated and myh skeptical note answered with gud evidence.
If I were to describe my initial reaction to the image, it would be along the lines of, that is just what we needed, then a turn to, how could that have been capured, and then to, it has a lot of everything useful found in many different pics but not in any single pic of a single moment in time.
It is a beautful picture. And, if it is a composite, would still be useful in re-imagining the scene. It is almost painterly.
Would be very happy if it was not a composite and would congradulate the imagetaker for great timing and foresight. It would be quite the achievement and one to make the originator very proud, to be sure.
>The jackets DO NOT match as the anon's graphic says they do, the hairlines DO NOT match for the girl at WW.
Agreed.
Basic rule is to verify, verify, verify.
>it is a great mistake to think that just because Q responds to an anon, they are confirming everything the anon has posited.
That would be a mistake, yes.
In this instance, as in many others, seems to me that Q communiated something by the choice of image to repost. Very doubtful that Q's purposes was to confirm all that the anon had posited.
Let me tell you a brief story.
Upbread I lamented that the image was lost, in the universe of SV; the short sequence in which it existed had been 'disappeared'. Gave up looking for it.
Moved on to hunt for details around the corner of the junction where the motorcycle parking zone used to be. Unexpectedly, came across the short MAY 2012 sequence that included the particular and hard-to-find image that Q had reposted. That sequence lasted on so long as to cover that very short stretch of the route.
And it was redundant. There is a more thorough and long sequence for SV MAY2012 and it is far, far, far easier to find. Nothing wrong with the long sequence. So why the redundancy, IDK.
In the sequence there is a person waiting at the corner of WHITEHALL GARDENS; as the camera arrived, he looked into the camera and gave a thumbs up, and then wandered away in the other direction.
Looked to me like a re-take.
Could be a coincidence. Could be nothing. Time may tell why of all the available images and ways that Q might have confirmed the trafcam and he did already by reposting a map of the scene and pointing to the hotel and using trafcam in the filename of the images he chose a very hard to find image in a hard to find sequence that was redundant. Q did so to communicate … something.
At that time the trafcam appeared in SV images in multiple sequences within 2014, 2015, 2016 … and then disappeared for good.
It was in SV images pre-dating 2012. Also, the trafcam appeared in MAY, JUL, and AUG 2014, but just not in MAY 2012.
No show in the short sequence of SV MAY 2012, the one that covered EMBANKMENT from HORSE GUARDS AVE to NORTHUMBERLAND only as far as THE CORINTHIA HOTEL.
And confirmed gone in the much longer sequence of SV MAY 2012.
Come to think of it, redundancy can be another way of saying, well, corroboration or confirmation.
In the vid of ST PAT's DAY, recorded on Sunday 16 MAR 2014, the view up the stairs to the bridge showed no trafcam.
This means we have three sources that it was missing in MAY 2014. Two sequences of images from SV; and an independent vid of the area in MAR 2014. Better than most of the details we discuss in our digs.
From this we do not know if it went missing earlier, nor if it stayed missing during these two dates, nor if it returned early or late during JUL 2014. Could operate on the conjecture that the trafcam stayed missing between these two bookends - 16 MAR 2014 to MAY 2014
As it turns out, that interval is beyond the interval for the Q pics of EMB and CH which we now have evidence to say that those pics were not taken after 2 MAR 2014.
Logically, the trafcam was on its perch to snap the Q pic files labeled as trafcam images. But this too might be verified somehow.
On one hand we are digging and we can trust Q's posts and take certain leaps to find useful information. On the other hand, we should not expect new eyes to follow such leaps; not necessarily because of lack of faith or trust but because many will be indifferent to Q as a source; better that we can verify without relying on Q's direct confirmations.
I do not mean during our digs. I mean when future proves past and our mission to explain to others gains a different emphasis. We are a bit like historians but the battles are habbening now while we research the crumbs.
DRAT, mistake.
We have three sources that the trafcam went missing in 2014. TWO sequences from SV MAY plus an independent vid from 16 MAR.
For the EMB pics, there is a broad time interval based on the SHROUD behind BB; and a more narrow, almost moment-to-moment interval, in some instances, that is based on the vehicles on the street. Important not to mix up broader links and narrow links.
Think of the broader intervfals as the larger Matryoshka doll in the set.
LONDON2847 and ROT1 are linked in these two ways. And, by direct evidence, those links apply to ROT2.
Neither the cars nor the shroud have linked ROT3 to the other EMB pics. Thas has been discussed and could continue to be explored.
Meanwhile there are details that overlap between ROT3 and the CH pics. The yellow bike is a recent example. Another example is the apperance of two temporary signs that hung on posts for awhile after 2 MAR 2014 but which do not show up in ROT3 and CH pics.
Anon upbread described a few more links across ROT3 and the other pics that incude the hotel. Also have been considering reflections of light sources, such as the PLAYHOUSE signage, as possible connections via the time interval of SPAMALOT.
Connecting ROT3/CH with EMB based solely on what is in the camera frames is another matter. Some great observations have been made in past breads. For me, these are good connections but need corroboration.
Those observations now can have a strong impact given the disconect, as it were, that arises when the ROT3/CH pics are dated no later than 2 MAR 2014 but the EMB pics, via LONDON2847 AND ROT1, include advert boards on the handrails at HISPANIOLA that do not appear there on 16 MAR 2014.
At the moment, to two things stand as evidenced.
1) that the EMB pics were taken when the boards were on the handrails AND
2) that ROT3/CH pics were taken before the date on which the advert boards were on the handrails.
One way to allow both to stand as factual would be to verify that the boards were actually on the handrails on 16 MAR. That is, to re-examine the handrails in the ST PAT's DAY vid and come to the directly opposite conclusion.
Much encouragement to anons to take a good looksee to figure for themselves; and to find another source to do the job on this. If it can be done, this team will find the evidence. My assessment is that the boards are not there in that vid.
Another way for both things to stand as factual would be to separate their time intervals. That is, EMB would have been taken after ROT3/CH.
ROT3/CH before 2 MAR 2014
EMB after 16 MAR 2014
To accomplish that would mean to support a disconnect, of sorts, between ROT1/ROT2 and ROT3.
What feature, if anything, appears in ROT 3 and matches the other pics? And what does not? Is there enough to separate them by about two weeks? Is there something that binds them together on the same time interval?
End of shrouding was late-MAR/ early-APR.
There could be evidence of a more clear lack of shrouding by a specific date in APR or before end of MAR, but so far only got 'posted dates', hence the ambiguity on the bookend.
Sometime ago, an anon noticed an object in all of the EMB pics, including LisaMI6. A tiny purplish object in the distance, on the other side of LAMBETH BRIDGE. At the time we took stabs at figuring it; there were a few candidate structures but nothing was actually nailed down.
.>>13014271 OLD BREAD
https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/12926638.html#13014271
>Nice new look at MILLBANK. Not to distract but I have been meaning to ask if we could use the pastel purple item circled in pic provided. Is it on Westminster Bridge? Could it be seasonal decoration lighting or at least some lighting change we could date? Sorry i never asked or if it already was mentioned.
>UK BAKER? Can you identify it?
This object is purple, to my eye. Well check out the attached screencap from a vid recorded 2 MAR 2014.
That is the Park Plaza Riverbank hotel on the Albert Embankment. It underwent an upgrade to its facade and more floors were added to its height. Its shape no longer looks blockish. But that vid recording, made in 2014, showed it shining purple, quite clearly. However, earlier pics show it shining a distinctive pink. See pics from 2009/2010.
If these images accurately depict the colour of the facade before and after, then, the latter looks like a fair Q MATCH. This is a connective detail for all the EMB PICS. It would mean that those were taken after work had been done to the facade such that its colour changed from pink to purple.
The city of LAMBETH approved the addition of more floors to the hotel in a meeting held on 23 JUL 2013.
https://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/6992
In FEB 2014, the plans were announced. The river front exterior would be upgraded.
QUOTE
Changes will be made to the facade of the hotel with the east and west glass screens removed streamlining the external appearance. The orange terracotta tiles that give it its current distinct colouring will replaced with dark blue, the finish of which depends on where the material is situated - tiles on the lower levels will be gloss and gradually fade to matt on the higher floors.
unQUOTE
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=3382
It appeared unchanged in SV JUN 2014; the upgrade was completed before SV MAY 2016, It could have been done during latter part of JUN 2014.
A professional photo of the skyline, taken from the vantage of the Golden Jubilee footbridge, shows the hotel shining pink. That photo was taken during PHOTO24 LONDON, a photography competition held on 20 JUN 2014.
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https://youtu.be/eDzV7cMRvHM
Special edition of the sponsoring magazine
https://issuu.com/brightpublishing/docs/photo24
The RIVERBANK appears purplish in the EMB pics, which may have been the case before the changes made to the facade. Seems to me that dark panels would have darkened the effect of the pinik illumination. And, depending on the settings on the camera taking the pics, that could be extenuated in either direction based on desired effect.
The purplish object is identified; Its shape changed with upgrades that would have taken place SUMMER or AUTUMN of 2014.
This does not effect our dating of the EMB PICS, however, it is yet another upgrade in the surroundings that eliminates 2015/2016. This detail is way off in the distance rather than just outside the edges of the Q pics.
Kek, when first found some of these bits and pieces, I thot, pink before, purple after, it dates the EMB pics. 2 MAR 2014 came up again. But .. Nah, the colour change and the buildings shape change both fell beyond the interval for the SHROUD, which still controls.
A little sauce.
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/public%3A/public%3A/PAWS/media_id_61623/riverbank_park_plaza_queensborough_house_report.pdf
SV
JUN 2014, APR 2015, MAY 2016.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4923878,-0.1215036,3a,15y,184.1h,115.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9uieRSoECJnw5wswwoqDWg!2e0!5s20150401T000000!7i13312!8i6656
SV
MAY 2012, JUL 2014, OCT 2015, FEB 2018.
So, the pattern of lights remained the same until after the hotel added floors and updated its facade. The illuminated variations in colour appear to be have due to floodlighting rather than structural modifications. Pink or purple or blue, the hotel is the object in the distance that shone bright enough to standout in the EMB pics, and as such, help to date these pics as pre 2015/2016.
The possibility of variations in colour might come into play in refinement of our dating of the EMB pics if there was a colour change within the interval controlled by SHROUD or other feature within the camera frames.
Purplish or pink object in the EMB pics matches up with the PARK PLAZA RIVERBANK hotel as can be seen in this high quality pic taken from about where the LisaMI6 pic was taken, on the footbridge overlooking the junction and river at EMBANKMENT and NORTHUMBERLAND.
The assortment of pics available of the skyline makes it clear that there were so many changes undertaken during or after the 2013/2014 timeframe, that the 2015/2016 skyline - with new tall buildings and loads of skycranes - would not match the Q pics.
Interdasting that this very basic conclusion can be drawn from details in foreground and background, and from broad strokes in foreground and background, and even from colour schemes of markers like the TATT's funnel, the reflections of PLAYHOUSE signage, the illumination of shrouds, the appearance of signs, and the livery of bike hires. This may be as much part of the form and meaning of the Q pics as the more literal signifiers; some of these distinctions woud have been nearly impossible to communicate/discern without the cover of night skies.
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There are photo techniques using long exposure and double exposures to achieve this type of painterly effect while capturing a scene in, for instance, subdued or dark ambient lighting. Post-production methods have greatly expaned with advances in lenses/sensors and software manipulations.
Would still be useful to have a path to the source of that new image of the TATT, because the image is masterful.
>This is a connective detail for all the EMB PICS
Excluding LisaMI6. The purplish object would have been out of shot, beyond left edge of the camera frame.
The shroud is the connective detail with the other EMB pics.
>pink object in the EMB pics matches up with the PARK PLAZA RIVERBANK hotel as can be seen in this high quality pic
>photography competition held on 20 JUN 2014
20 JUN earlymorn to 21 JUN earlymorn, prolly 6amish. Not sure how the competition ensures that the photos were not taken during a preliminary opportunity. Hundreds of photographers competed. Maybe the honour system. The event is to promo Nikon which is the primary sponsor; the magazine publishes the pics and has interests, too. But the wide array of very attractive photos suggests the sponsors would have little reason to permit foolery but also little incentive to disregard very good photos that serve their purposes. Just saying, have no idea if the 20-21 JUNE can be 100 percent counted on, but likely gud.
The COMPETITION started 20 JUN 2014 in morning and ran 24 hours.
The particular pic of the skyline from the bridge is at this link to the marker in the vid.
https://youtu.be/eDzV7cMRvHM?t=63
MAYBE not taken on Golden Jubilee. Maybe taken on WESTMINSTER. Prolly not on LAMBETH Bridge coz of width of view, but not sure. The vantage point is brilliant as there are no obstructions in foreground. Could have used a long focal length from greater distance.
>MAYBE not taken on Golden Jubilee. Maybe taken on WESTMINSTER. Prolly not on LAMBETH Bridge coz of width of view, but not sure. The vantage point is brilliant as there are no obstructions in foreground. Could have used a long focal length from greater distance.
Doh. That pic has the EYE in it. So taken from footbridge or nearabouts and on that side of the other two bridges, natch. Kek. Staring at the skyline waaaaay to muchoh.
You are right, This is a problem for dating that photo from the competition. The shroud and scaffolding was in place, but in different form, in the summer of 2013.
2013, not summer 2014.
So there is a problem there. For the competition and the photographer, perhaps, but moar importantly for our dig and attempts to date EMB pics.
The shroud was up there in the summer of 2013, in a different form, much higher, at times covering the top of the spire. It was altered and came down in APRIL 2014.
Did it go back up, IDK. Doubt it. But would need evidence for JUNE 2014 specifically.
Spanner in the werks, again.
Yes, can be done. First let's resolve the date prob of that new pic. Looking for evidence re shrouding on Westminster, PERHAPS of a second tower, not the first.
The vid for PHOTO24 LONDON, from Bear Photography, starts with a flank shot of Westminster and it does NOT show the tower shrouded.
Not sure if that first image is generic or meant to show an entry into the competition from JUNE 2014. No captions.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/101630712@N02/14479021186/in/album-72157644914487897/
Occurs to me that some of these photos were prelim scouting photos that were not entered but good enough the photographer included in presentations. The one at issue, with the pink building, does not show up in the sponsoring magazine's short list. It is in a video which is a step or moar removed from officialdom, I think.
https://twitter.com/Photo24London/status/482074867194671104
https://twitter.com/brownbearphoto/status/481640963006541825
Whether the start/stop of the PHOTO24 LONDON competition was precisely noon or aroundabouts, the dark time of the interval was dusk-to-dawn 20/21, Friday night/Saturday morn, 9.21 PM to 4.43 AM.
https://www.sunrisesunset.com/classic/calendar.asp?comb_city_info=London%2C%20United%20Kingdom;0.1262;51.5002;0;2&month=6&year=2014&want_mphase=1
^^^
>>13656613, >>13655112, >>13655008
Anons all,
The 'painterly' image upbread of the TATT looks like it may have been part of a series that included the skyline view with the pink building.
These THAMES shots make for an interdasting comparison. Before I say moar, and so as not to bias fellow diggers here, please scrutinize and make your observations, please.
Very, indeed. For instance, looks like the upper light pattern remained the same, between these two pics, and the action was lower where additional lights came on the same 2-3 floors, different rooms. And possibly another room to the lower left.
The 3 pics at issue are here combined side-by-side-by-side.
This panorama was taken during the dusk/dawn period of the 24hr interval for PHOTO24 LONDON 2014.
Check TATT's lighting.
And tide level.
GOLDEN EAGLE lit-up.
Shroud site.
Millbank lights.
Red Lights on Cranes.
Point 6 is significant differentiator between the EMB pics and the images during the heightened construction period that followed that spring/summer and onward. Think mentined that upbread.
Right, so do we have a match between the two new THAMES pics - pink building and Tatt? Close enough to have been same night/early morn? Or within say 48 hours or somewhat? Or too little of a match to use the term, match, even if heavily qualified?
Take those two new pics and decide based on points of comparison. THEN please compare each with LisaMI6 and make your observations re match-ups.
Yeh, for our purposes, this is a useful pic that has features that may help date the EMB pics. Would be gud to have the actual date taken. And some direct indication if same source for the two new pics.
As for inclusion of this pre-APR 2014 pic in PHOTO24 related presentations, well, it might have any number of explanations, including the quite benign and commonplace.
>>13657590, >>13657098, >>13657373
Check the lights shining at the upper rooms of the Speaker's House in these new pics. One shows them off and the other on. Off in LisaMI6.
The pink building pic has distortion on right half, like with a fish lense, and yet the left half is far less distorted; that indicates the image was centred on, say, ST THOMAS, and later cropped down the left side. Or some other skewing had gotten into the image if, for example, it was a composite.
The new pic of TATT has only slight distortion, if any, in the background w/BB. The funnel is well focussed and 90 degrees upright.
In addition to the shroud, and the almost craneless skyline, the coverage on the trees seems light for summer.
Look for a white-lit building in the distance, aboutg middle of the frame in upper third. In one of the new pics it is less lit than in the other.
The mirror-like surface of the THAMES in the pink building pic stands in contrast with the ripples on the surface of the water in the new TATT pic.
While the TATT's funnel is partially in the dark on its left side in the pink pic, it is lit with a source that appears to be on board, in the new TATT pic; that light source may be a strong reflection off a flash from the bridge, IDK. Other areas on the left side of the funnel are better lit, more filled-in, than in the pink pic.
And then there's the Golden Eagle which, for some reason, was not lit in either of these.
Some of these details match-up well with LisaMI6.
Hold on, my mistake, the GOLDEN EAGLE is lit up in the pink pic but not the new TATT.
Nor in LisaMI6.
>>13657706, >>13657687, >>13657666, >>13657650
Yeh, longer exposure as with multiple exposures would generally enhance the lighting that would otherwise be dim.
Are the lights switched off monuments like that. I could understand a lowering but off, IDK. if this was a one off - pun intended - then its a new marker for narrowly dating LisaMI6. If its a nightly thing, then, wow.
Recall playing with that image and the lights are far too high to be cranes. I mean, Londoners lurve to build but those would be almost interstellar cranes, kek.
Kidding aside, yeh maybe the much lower points of light were cranes or other construction lights. The three near the horizon, for example, which at one time looked to be part of ORION, if I recall rightly.
In a twit he said it was the first vid he made of his photos so he coulda got one in there in error. And, yeh, if he did not submit it, or if he did but it did not win anything, then, it could even come down to a promo effort, anyway, for all involved, inclduding small guys trying to make a buck with their better pics. That's along the lines of the sponsors anyway - Nikon and their gear, the magazine and its subscriptions, the photo school and its classes, and so forth.
Could reach out to him, I suppose, with genuine interest in the winter photo of the Thames skyline during an historically significant period of time. This was before the long construction 'season' for Nine Elms, so his pic wold mark a pivot point for the ALBERT EMBANKMENT.
All true; plus dating it and getting a background story about how he went about capturing it would all add colour to the image. Serves promo of the pic and of his werk anyway.
My hands are full or I would give it a shot.
Another PHOTO24 LONDON take with the shroud gone, 21 JUN 2014, 4.45AM.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/darrellg/14725724112/in/photostream/
Shroud down to scaffolding.
26 APR 2014
30 MAY 2014
11 JUN 2014
https://www.theregister.com/2014/06/11/london_cabbies_protest_uber_with_trafficstopping_central_protest/
BBC 11 JUNE 2014
Aerial view of the cab driver protest in London on 11 JUNE 2014 shows no shroud.
https://youtu.be/eYcS2wJEgoE
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-27799938
11 JUN 2014
Moar news coverage of cabbie protest.
Alamy STOCK photo shows no shroud.
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Here's a UK Bread summary for new eyes or returning eyes.
When digging on the London Pics, we look for ways to date those pics by details found within the camera frame of each image. Sometimes we find open source or news source images that are very closely matched with the scenes captured in the pics that Q dropped. When those are listed with a date attached, such as the date posted or the date taken, that provides a means to narrow down the interval during which the London Pics could have been captured - photographed or recorded in the case of videos.
In this instance, anons noticed a purplish object across a series of Q pics that show the street and the river at the foot of Big Ben, at the HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT UK. This purplish object in the distance turned out to be a building on the other side of the THAMES RIVER and which had undergone rennovations. Based on the timing of the changes to the building, anons thought it might be possible to apply the dates of construction to dating the Q pics. Very soon after that building was rennovated a very broad scale re-development went into full force along the ALBERT EMBANKMENT, on the other side of the Thames River from the VICTORIA EMBANKMENT. Q had advised anons to check for updates in surroundings.
In the subsequent dig, a very fine photo was found that very closely matched details in the various Q pics of the same area, especially on the skyline. And another image was found that is a very close match with the Q pic entitled, LisaMI6. Together, these images form the best found for our purpose.
However, one of these pics was dropped in our bread without a path to its source; we have the hyperlink but not its background info. This is the near-twin of LisaMI6.
And the other pic, the one which featured the purplish object/ building, call it Thames Skyline, was listed as having been taken in the summer of 2014, BUT the features that caught our attention, and that closely matched Q, mean that Thames Skyline could not have been taken later than early APR 2014. So we have this discrepancy.
The series of Q pics that we are digging here is called by us, the EMBANKMENT series, or EMB. This is named after the street, Victoria Embankment which is prominent in the images. So far we have narrowed the interval during which these Q pics could have been taken - SEP/OCT 2013 to late MAR/ early APR 2014. That's a span of about 6 months. We think we can do better than that.
IF these newly dug online images could be accurately dated, we might narrow that interval by a good margin.
For example, there is a pattern of lights on each of the buidings along the skyline in EMB and in these newly dug images. Some patterns might be stable across seasons or even parts of the week. Others might vary enough that a close match could mean we'd whittle down that 6 month interval with which to date Q's images.
Another example is the war monument that is on the riverbank along Victoria Embankment; it features a Golden Eagle, as a motif for the Royal AIr Forces and the aeiral war efforts during both world wars. It is well-lit in most night pictures we've come across, but in EMB it is poorly lit, if lit at all. And in one of the images just dug, it is shines brightly while in the other it stands in darkness.
Think of such things as 'the broken watch' in detective stories.
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A word about the side-dig that discovered that the wrong date was assigned to one of these newly dug pics.
It is likely that the Thames Skyline photo was mistakenly included in a video of images that a photographer claimed to have shot during the 24 hours of a London photo competition. Based on the details in this photo, it could not have been taken that summer.
When participating in such competitions, photographers tend to take way more photos than they actually find good enough to present to the judges; and plenty they may have captured in preparing for the day of competition but which would not qualify for submission. Some prep photos might be excellent examples of their work. The point of these competitions for sponsors and photographers alike is to promote their goods and services.
Errors can happen when dealing with a large archive of one's work which covers similar themes or locales.
The point of finding this pic, for us, is not to make allegations or anything of that sort. We are digging on an historical scene and just want to pursue the facts based on the pictorial evidence in-hand. And that particular image is useful for that purpose, as described earlier. If we could learn the date of the Thames Skyline pic, for example, our efforts to document this would be enhanced. If there were more related images, all the better.
So please, anons, let's focus on our mission. Personally, I've no desire to cause grief to someone who might actually find common cause with a mission to document history in the making. How fortuante we all are to be participating in these digs; how fortunate we are that such images have been taken and put online.
WWG1WGA
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Wasn't there a lights-off day or hour or somesuch during spring? It may be less of a thing now, but there was a time when governments turned off lighting they deemed not to be essential, as a symbolic gesture, save the planet and other virutue signalling.
Maybe that is why the lights were off on Golden Eagle and on TATT.
>When the hell was THAT video taken?!
So as not confuse new yes/ returning eyes, there are two vids. There is one that shows a slide show of images captured during PHOTO24 LONDON - the one of interest shows the THAMES SKYLINE from the vantage point on the footbridge which is where LisaMI6 was shot. Right, so there is a vid of a slideshow and in that series of pics there is one that shows the purplish building - or pinkish.
That building is very tiny in the EMB pics; it is in the distance and, to my eyes, looks purple and, as one anon described it, it looks blockish.
THEN there is a video a guy took while driving around London at night. He used that recording to make a sort of timelapse. It seems to have been an experimental first try at this. Anyway, he makes many such driving vids and this one took him to ALBERT EMBANKMENT where he just happened to record the building lit-up in purple flood lighting.
That location maps well to the spot in which the purplish blockish object sits on the middle distance, far away from the camera, in all of the EMB pics, except for LisaMi6 where that spot is just out of frame, left side.
These vids ar a bit long so will put snippets together for anons to ponder and, as always, for completedness of our record. While these will be archived at bitchute and yt, you might want to keep your own. SADLY, and to great frustration, our images tend not to stick with our breads after a short while. Going to be difficult as the work piles up but can't be easily found by visiting anons.
My hands are full at the moment WITH ANOTHER PROMISING DIG. Anons, please dig for dates for these new images that are so closely matched with EMB. Nailing either one will prolly help with dating the other.
Anons, how are we to interpret the parking zone signs on the TATT side of Victoria Embankment in MAY 2012 v MAY 2014?
How do YOU read the limitations on BUS parking?
On other vehicles?
Applied to the pics?
Check the SV images for the parking on EMBANKMENT as close to FEB 2018 as possible, as per Q 784, 2.16.18, see SV JAN 2018.
Pic related.
Here is the SV LINK.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5060677,-0.1227389,3a,73y,147.12h,103.16t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTBZkpA6iaQ29bCVlgk_zuw!2e0!5s20180101T000000!7i16384!8i8192
At that time there was no parking on that street.
Could be another meaning of 'car attack', albeit way more benign than a terrorist or other violent notion.
Well, that is one comparision between then, 2013/2014, and now, FEB 2018. Points rather blatantly at the changes in the lanes and in all types of parking that occured 2015/2016.
Re parking and vehicles on the street.
Motorcycle parking on EMBANKMENT went from a special zone near the corner of WHITEHALL GARDENS at the Junction with Northumberland, to a new zone embedded in the new meridian between the newly constructed bike only lanes and the remaining two lanes of regular car traffic. Whereas the old motorcycle parking zone transitioned into the left turning lane, the new setup transitioned part of the new meridian into a dedicated zone; well all of that reconfigured parking disappeared when the TIDEWAY PROJECT tookover one side of EMBANKMENT including the area that had been occupied by the bike only lane; so two lanes left for two-way traffic and NO PARKING on the street. Even the bike hire docking stall by HORSE GUARDS AVENUE that was once on the street at kerbside was removed.
2015/2016 was the period of transition from the long established setup on EMBANKMENT to the new temporary setup during the tunnel digging project; and soon all of that will be removed for yet another new setup for traffic and parking.
See this older pic and compare.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.W3-B0uz_ksLfWF3x0JBDGwHaE_%26pid%3DApi&f=1
https://www.thehandbook.com/best-beer-gardens-london/
Fren, your request prompted a series of overlays. Your specific ask is coming up soon.
First in series of overlays made for the EMB pics. This one used Big Ben as the reference point. LisaMI6 had the largest representation of BB and so used it to set the overlay positioning. However, the pics are laid down according to the Q drop sequence and so LisaMi6 also ended this version of overlay.
Observe the group that crossed the junction. The camera started on centre, looking down EMB with that group near bottom of camera frame; then panned left to show Thames River and THE EYE; then panned right to show the Whitehall Gardens side of VICTORIA EMBANKMENT.
OVERLAY v1 does not include ROT3.
OVERLAY v1
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AWc7ZFaUqqi3/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q7cdC6MbGg
UKAnons, might this be something that could help systematically counter the loss of pics dropped in UK BREADS and which seem to go missing?
https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/13664611.html#13665263
https://media.8kun.top/file_store/17f851c8097bd094574321f644e2229b0103706f5056f5614a7db75b6d9a318c.jpg
To illustrate the potential significance of the new pics that closely resemble LisaMI6, consider the following example.
A stock photo was found that closely resembles the daytime pic of the Corinthia Hotel that Q dropped; but there were three details that differentiated that stock photo of 2 MAR 2014 from each Q pic that featured the Corinthia Hotel.
A first aid sign was in the stock photo but not Q pics.
An 'extra' sign, back turned to camera, was in the stock, not Q.
A parked yellow bike was in each Q pic but not in the stock photo.
These markers were combined with previously found details to support the conclusion that none of the Q pics that included the Corinthia Hotel could have been taken BEFORE 2 MAR 2014.
Well now we have found two pics that closely resemble the scene in another set of Q pics in London. The starkest Q match is between LisaMI6 and another image taken from almost the same spot on a footbridge. This image frames the TATTERSHALL CASTLE, a floating pub in the river, in a way that is very close to LisaMI6; within the camera frame there are details that details that match and there are details that do not match.
In addition, a second image has been found that 'overlaps' the first one; many details match not only LisaMI6 but other Q pics of the general scene, including the skyline and riverside.
In this instance, we have a 'date taken' for just one of these two newly found images. But that date could not be correct, as we have figured out from a few details that indicate that the pic was taken at least several weeks earlier than the date assigned to it by the originator.
What are the odds of such a Q match? IDK. We have two, ot one, and at the moment we do not have a firm 'date taken' for either. If we had that, then, we could narrow down the time interval during which LisaMI6 was taken. That could also date the other pics of the EMBANKMENT area.
And, by exension, this can help with sequencing the EMBANKMENT pics, as well as the pics of the nearby Corinthia Hotel, and, in turn, that may help sequence the other Q pics in the London series.
But why does any of this matter to UK Anons?
In Q 1423, we read the instructions to 'Note the time' and to understand that there are [6] surv [value targets]. And in Q 1455, 'Find the markers [street/surroundings updates]'.
Read Q 1668, 1669, 1707, and 1708. Very carefully read Q 1724 (emphasized), 1725, 1726, 1727, and 1743.
Was the Truth revealed re FISA/Dossier?
Important marker.
Think connections.
D6
Q
Right, now apply that and the following to the London Pics, of which the last that Q dropped was LisaMI6 in post 3645.
Be ready, Anons.
Public awakening coming.
Q
Then backup and re-consider Q 1486 and 1487.
Think new arrivals.
Proofs are important.
Q
We have a mission to establish firm grounding for future proves past. By way of a cautionary tale, read Q 1460 and 1461.
Follow the facts by scrutinizing the details within the London Pics and be guided by Q texts on how to go about our business here.
WWG1WGA
TY Anon for re-visiting the available evidence.
HISP advert boards appeared in SV MAY 2014.
The first detail is that there were three of them hung closely together. Another detail is the colours, but that can be difficult to discern in ROT1, for exmple, if we treat it as a standalone colour sample. However, boards also appeared in later years in SV images and these are distinctly different in number and in colour and so serve as good comparisons.
Snippets, zoomed/slowed, from vid of 25 MAR 2014.>>13673972
>These markers were combined with previously found details to support the conclusion that none of the Q pics that included the Corinthia Hotel could have been taken BEFORE 2 MAR 2014.
Correction.
None could have been taken AFTER 2 MAR 2014.
All were taken BEFORE 2 MAR 2014.
>What are the odds of such a Q match? IDK. We have two, ot one, and at the moment we do not have a firm 'date taken' for either.
We have two, not one, and at the moment …
see prev correction
Correction.
None could have been taken AFTER 2 MAR 2014.
All were taken BEFORE 2 MAR 2014.
CH pics not AFTER 25 MAR 2014; then found details in 2 MAR 2014 stock photo that indicated CH pics not AFTER 2 MAR 2014.
Other EMB pics may be different time interval, see discussions upbread re the ST Pat's Day parade, held 16 MAR 2014, and the vid taken that day with view of handrails on HISP. No advert boards, it seems. Hard to be certain.
In EMB pics the boards are on handrails; if not on handrails 16 MAR 2014, then, EMB pics taken later because boards stil there in SV MAY2014.
If boards present before 2 MAR 2014 then possibly EMB pics can be connected with the pics with CH in them.
Post failed. Will try again in awhile.
>Was looking at the Northumberland to Victoria(from Trafalgar) vid from MAY2014. I think I see the colored advert boards.
Anon, those boards may well have been in that recording. If you can isolated them and identify them in a cap that would be great.
Had tech probs so will post a series of caps from a vid that was posted 18 APR 2014 and which has several significant details.
Can see back of the 3 advert boards on the HISP handrails.
Also a yellow temporary parking sign, notice for parking supension or somesuch, is on a post at the HISP that is close to the position seen in Q EMB Pics.
And a sign on same post that is facing the sidewalk rather than the street. In SV images this was a parking sign that can be seen facing different ways at different times in 2014.
Potentially a tidal height that is not long from either falling from high mark or climbing to it.
Partially dismantled scaffold/shroud on rooftop behind Big Ben.
New shroud behind Speaker's House. If this is in LisaMI6, it was not illuminated the way other active work areas have been on this rooftop.
The upper windows of the Speaker's House, north side, are darkened, as in LisaMI6; these are lit in the 'twin Lisa' pic that was just found and posted in this bread. When the windows are lit-up, the chambers are usually occupied/used.
Good view of the same skyline as appears in EMB pics as well as featured in the second newly found pic, Thames Skyline, that features the bright pink building.
The hotel that is the site of the bright pink/purple lights is seen in this vid as now under construction with crane on roof where dozen additional floors were to be installed.
This vid shows a skyline with just two cranes whereas soon in 2014 there would be many more.
Key takeaway is that we have evidence that the advert boards were on the HISP handrails at least by 18 APR 2014.
Other significant details either match EMB, match one or both of the new pics, or distinguish the time of this vid from all the other images to some extent.
Vid to follow.
The 'pink' or 'purple building' stands out because, having viewed many night pics of this area of the THAMES, haven't seen many instances of so much pink/purple on one building. Some lights, sure, but not to that extent. Same with blue lighting, altho there are examples farther afield and THE EYE stands out as a prominent exception.
Speaking of which, seems to me that the lighting on THE EYE has varied significantly. That may also have been true of this 'pink' building. It now shows a bright blue and in a different pattern. The purple in the vid upbread could be mistaken for pink, I suppose, under certain conditions, but what if it was pink in the wrongly dated pic AND purple in the vid of the same building? Just a matter of floodlights. But have yet to find such bright pink and purple on that spot over about a decade or so worth of vids and stock photos. I might be missing something that happened as a sort of one-off such as on a wear pink day sort of thing.
In any case, it is a marker that seems to have its own special time interval.
Here is a rough overlay that shows how the THAMES SKYLINE pic matches up with the cap from the 18 APR 2014 vid.
ALSO, do anons see a big moon that pic or maybe its just a bright construction light. IDK.
There may be multiple exposures either through a single image taken 'live' or by combining differning shots later in post-production. It is now possible to literally paint into or over one image with another image or one image's texture, hue, highights, and the rest. The levels of transparency available are seemingly infinite.
On the ROTATION OF THE EYE, I think you are right on. Very gud catch. I tmight be as straightforward as you described.
Looking for other indications of dusk or dawn timing.
It occurs to me that the camera for that shot is approximately in the spot that was taken by the BBC camera that recorded that year's NYE fireworks.
The camera location is relative to the position of the TATT's funnel. When you figured the line of sight from the trafcam positon and height, you may have used something very close to the funnel as a reference point, if I rightly recall.
The moon in this new pic is comparable in height off the horizon to that in the night vid of the bike riders on EMBANKMENT when the new cycle only lanes were paved.
Here's a coupla GOOEART MAPs – one dark and one light - for laying out your fiigurings. These are layed out with North being top of page. Flat perspective. Scale included.
The yellow outlines are the buildings from which cranes appear to have rose. Now, I do know that the pink building was under construction and the crane was on top of it but not sure where on that rooftop area. The other building, well, I think there was something behind it that was under construction.
But maybe all you need are the points on the roofts from the perspective of the camera on the bridge rather than actual, IDK.
The crane is not by building A but the one in the background between A and B, based on the view from Vauxhill Bridge.
There are two new tall apartment buidings there and the crane stood behind and between them. See attached GOOEART pic. Read their shadows.
See the red X to mark the approx spot.
Go to the backstreet, Randall, to view from behind the railtracks in SV.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4913346,-0.1197896,3a,59y,300.53h,128.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s7yV0rNGeWwAPRKPYOC9O7w!2e0!5s20140601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Noice find.
Memorial, check.
Foldable bollards, check.
First aid sign, check.
Back of sign on lampost by docking station, check.
1 = matched vid from 25 MAR 2014.
2 = matched vid from 25 MAR 2014, but also vid from 4 AUG 2013.
3 = matched stock photo 2 MAR 2014 and vid 25 MAR 2014.
4 = same as 3.
The 'extra' signs, re the first aid and the one at docking station, had a fairly short presence but appeared along with more lasting changes in the scene.
The foldable bollards have come and gone with road events but in SV imagery they were replaced, chronologically, with permanent one-legged bollards. Anons who are inclined to hunt, please find use of foldable bollards in addition to these permanent bollards at this site, which may buttress notion of road event usages.
The memorial continued to appear in SV images even after the one-legged bollards. But eventually dropped from the images available.
So the longer lasting details continued after the shorter lasting changes that differentiate this evidence from the Q pics.
At this point, this new image was taken at least on if not BEFORE 2 MAR 2014. Narrowing its date will be very useful, of course.
TY Anon for persisting. Happy hunting.
>call it, 24LONDON, for shorthand
I like that. Have stumbled with naming it. TY.
LONDON24.
The other close match for LisaMi6, almost looks like a twin but perhaps more a sister. That seems more appropriate given LP/PS texting about sister agencies. Plus Q's ref to SIS. Maybe call it LM, for LisaMI6, plus SIS, AS IN LM-SIS.
If it werks, good, if not, let's find a name to keep things straight in our own minds/discussions. We might figure something for new eyes later if this becomes clumbsy.
Your imagining the crossing of paths is quite useful. Compare the three images we now have in hand. Compare with other caps and photos from our past digs for pics that pre-date and post-date our intervals.
Seems a first differentiator is lense - wide angle vs standard vs telephoto effects. Another is tripod use vs handheld or in movement use. AND then there is the colour mapping which can indicate manipulations but also time of day esp dusk v dawn, which is almost an intuitive detection that photographers take into account when setting up for conditions. Many cameras of that time will have auto features for this sort of tuning. When you look at all of these factors, methodically, it is possible to figure out what the person behind the camera was focussed on.
An example. Have you ever been shown someone's holiday snaps and been at a loss as to what they were actually trying to capture, yeh? Then they point out something that they see but you thought was just part of a busy or random scene? Hard to get into the mind of the shooter but sometimes the tilt of the camera, upward/downward, gives it away. But for the Q PICS, I think they are chosen deliberatey for an effect on us - think about disinfo/info and think about coaching anons, such as ourselves, to learn our comms. To teach one must stand in the learner's shoes and then as a teacher LEARN to walk in their shoes. Means a decider on these pics would have had familiarity with anons that the actually photo-taker may not have had. Selection of pics, cropping of pics, and so forth all are meant to communicate to anons.
This is a fascinating aspect of comparing open source with Q images.
I do like how you strip much of that off to go to the cold hard facts that help discover the potential application of the lunar evidence. What you are dealing with, in effect, are universal - quite literally - universal truths as fixed upon these scenes.
Now I can image a crossing of the paths where Q might be nodding in approval as your interest and persistence was anticipated and prolly even hoped for as the comms were planned out.
Much encouragement, fren.
Fren, please describe the range of choices for the camera vantage point and how your choice of position was decided. Understand that this is your first and roughest estimate; your criteria would help with completedness as well as potential refinements. TY.
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Both very gud points. Process of elimination applies.
>link to the vid in cap provided?
Will prepare a vid hat shows the original as is and then with various adjustments so as to make it more useful. For resons can't get into I am a touch leary of posting the direct link but will provide it with the snippet being prepared. The sauce is good.
Will make snippet with your focus in mind, as well. And can further refine adjustements as per response to it. Original is starting point and link will be attached.
The vid will illustrate views from different positions on the footbridge. London24 appears to have used, at least in part, a wide-angled lense which distorts at the edges. You can detect this on the right side of frame esp with the funnel. To me, looks like such a lense was used with the focus, or centre more ore less, on the distant skyline, or could have been more simple with a focus on some part of THE EYE and the depth of field more or less set to infinity, IDK.
To keep it simple for our purposes, the narrow view is ok, but keep in mind the distortion that is in London24.
After comparing views from the footbridge with London24, beginning to think there is a possiblity that the camera was positioned higher than typical shoulder height and typical tripod usage; thinking possible camera position on the platform behind at the rail track. Might be too subtle to matter with the lunar figuring.
Kek you may have found a second moon due to more than one exposure. IDK for sure.
Anons will need to investigate what is behind and on top of these buildings.
By the by, if the originator used various non-organic techniques to accomplish the image, that is ok as long as we can account for things like two moons in the sky; and these can serve as hands on a clock, for our purposes. At the very least, for example, a second lunar object would indicate multiple times present or even duration of presence. iT MAY BE AN INTERNAL TIME INTERVAL.
But first, are these moons or something else?