Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 17, 2021, 6:38 p.m. No.13689240   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0859 >>1036 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

RE-REVIEW VID OF EMBANKMENT ON 16 MR 2014.

 

Note items 3 and 4.

 

  1. NO TRAF CAM.

  2. NO ADVERT BOARDS.

  3. SHROUD BEHIND BIG BEN.

  4. VIEW OF BIG BEN FROM SOUTHBANK.

 

If that particuar traffic camera took the ROT series of pics, then, it could not have been done 16 MAR 2014; camera also not on perch in SV MAY 2014 but back in summer 2014. Possibly no trafcam on that pole between these two dates.

 

So far no evidence of advert boards on HISPANILOA's handrails before 2 MAR 2014. Evidence of Q-matched boards in place in early APR 2014 and through to AUTUMN 2014.

 

Shrouded scaffolding on rooftop of Westminster behind Elizabeth Tower appears in slightly different form than in EMBANKMENT pics.

 

View vid on bitchute

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DNHMrk5j99Mp/

 

https://youtu.be/SrTpJu6YmSg

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 18, 2021, 5:57 a.m. No.13691914   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13691036

 

Night vids on EMB that captured GOLDEN EAGE show the following, so far.

 

9 MAY 2012 LIT

DEC 2012 NOT

28 FEB 2013 610PM LIT

18 OCT 2013 NOT

2P 2014 LIT

5 NOV 2026 NOT

 

Also, that pink object - floodlit building - in 24LONDON was captured in night vids/pics both before and after JUN 2014. Sometimes not pink during that interval. Sometimes purple or blue or not lit up. Thinking that the 2-MAR 2014 night drive vid prolly showed that the facade was setup for purple lighting rather than the bright pink seen in 24LONDON. But have pics that show pink in SEP 2015, NOV 2015, and JAN 2016 - all after the additional floors were being built or were done on the top of that hotel.

 

So that colour scheme likely won't narrow the broader time interval for EMB, however, whatabout within a year, such as a season or month or special eventsโ€ฆ IDK.

 

WEAR IT PINK is annual late OCT fundraising event but lots of landmarks go pink for that โ€“ located along THAMES and within EMB camera frames. For example, the building behind THE EYE and the GOLDEN JUBILEE FOOTBRIDGE itself. So that rules out 23 OCT 2013, as for dating 24LONDON.

 

Prolly not pink in future as the building's new facade lends itself to darker colours like purple and blue. On the other hand, the neighbouring building is also a hotel and its logos and motif is very pink. Could have been that hotel, which went through an upgrade around same time as 24LONDON was posted in JUN 2014.

 

For now, thinking that the RAF MEMORIAL is a better bet for dating EMB and 24LONDON.Will try to get back today with links to those vids and pics listed above.

 

The presence of two, possibly three, cranes in 24LONDON make for a set of markers. As anon said in prev comment, there is no red signal light where that bright objects apears above ST T hospital. It does look too large to be a safety light, but would need stronger evidence one way or the other.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 18, 2021, 6:10 a.m. No.13692008   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5653 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

>>13691764

Comparing AUG 2013 with JAN 2018, the hospital's two tall buildings did reach parity in height by the time the crane was gone. So the crane could have appeared just over the rooftop of the front first building during JUNE 2014.

 

And, as anon said upbread, longer exposure and other factors such as glare off the rooftop might have made the crane's white light appear larger than actual. Still, depends on that lunar evidence and the path in the night sky.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 18, 2021, 6:13 a.m. No.13692025   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13690859

 

Interdasting, isnt it, that the various night images of that skyline do not show a large bright object, on either of the cranes. Process of elimination, frens.

 

Will work on getting back to post the list of night vids showing red dotted skyline but no large white bright objects next to.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 19, 2021, 5:07 a.m. No.13700623   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0636 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

Very clear view of the state of the shrouded scaffolding on the rooftop behind Big Ben on a solid 'take on' date.

 

Sunday, 13th APRIL 2014.

 

The pic was posted on the following Tuesday but based on the notes about events that day, with a stop near a church on Sunday, the date of this pic can be directly deduced.

 

Significance is that this provides a close-up that shows the shroud has been peeled back and the scaffolding underneath is partially revealed. The shroud is in the correct location but it is in a state that is post-Q pics of the EMBANKMENT. This is a very tight bookend.

 

We might extrapolate that because the work on the rooftop of the Houses of Parliament were restricted due to noise, if the House was sitting in APRIL, and if it did not sit during non-weekdays, then, this work was prolly undertaken during that weekend.

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2014-04-10

 

If my reading of the Hansard record/calendar is correct, then, the Commons sat during the previous week, 7-to-10 APR 2014, and did not return to the House until end of month, 28-to-30 APR 2014. This would provide a period during which the work overhead could be done without interfering with the politicians hard at work below.

 

Seems to fit with the pictorial evidence that produced the bookend of 'late-MAR/ early-APR 2014'.

 

See screencap of HANSARD page; marked-up with date of photo and with speculation of when work could have been done on rooftop while House Chamber not in use.

 

While this is the reasoning, really need direct evidence, which may be available, and, if available, would help secure this bookend, lock and key.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 19, 2021, 5:20 a.m. No.13700662   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13700636

 

VID that compares close view of the shroud in the four EMBANKMENT pics.

https://youtu.be/SSfVL0_ZBwc

 

Interdasting to mark progress made from scrutinizing within the camera frames via old vids and solidifying with new pictorial evidence' and all supported by non-pictorial evidence from an 'official' sauce.

 

More than we know, frens.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 19, 2021, 6:38 a.m. No.13701027   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1112 >>4780 >>5022 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

The other end of the shroud interval is approximately SEP/OCT 2013. it is vague because of the differences between posted dates and taken dates of the incidental pics online.

 

Stock photos have a taken date; so do those organized in FLCKER but not as reliable as uploading mistakes can be easily made.

 

Here are two caps of a page that shows phases of the moon, very simplified, just for broadstroke illustration. The dates witin the red boundary might be viable re the shroud's interval. It first appeared in its current form in the AUTUMN 2013 and then was dismantled during APRIL 2014.

 

LUNAR-ANON has a much better handle on this and just laying out a sort of whiteboard for digz.

 

The HISP ADVERT BOARDS appeared in Q's EMB pics but do nott seem to in their place on 16 MAR 2014; the earliest found pic with these boards, so far, is in a vid posted on 18 APR 2014; it must have been taken earlier, based on the shourd captured int aht vid as compared with the new closeup that confirms the form of the shroud was altered by 13 APR 2014 sufficiently that it was no longer a Q-match.

 

The first appearance of the ADVERT BOARD marker is now pushed back to early APR and no later that 13 APR 2014.

 

IF this holds, then, the interval for the EMB pics would be between the no-show of the advert boards on Sunday 16 MAR and the earliest signs of the dismantling of the shroud on Sunday 13 APR 2014. Both the boards and the shroud's form must match Q's pics.

 

And if the waning moon applies, then, that narrows down the interval to sometime late MAR 2014. See graphics for ruff idea.

 

VERY IMPORTANT than anons re-look at the ST PAT's Day vid and assess whether or not the BOARDS were on the handrails.

 

On a scale of 1 to 7, with 7 being certain no boards and 1 being certain boards are there, how do you score that bit of evidence?

 

Sometimes the lack of direct evidence can be treated as a sort of evidence that is compelling. But too often such things rely on assumptions and subjective judgements that intrude upon the hard facts. In short, we lack evidence and should be cautious not to make up stuff to fill in the gaps. Yet those gaps must be tended o resolve the interval.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 19, 2021, 6:52 a.m. No.13701112   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0410 >>4991 >>2994 >>1781

>>13701027

 

For emphasis.

 

IF the advert boards were not on the handrails on 16 MAR 2014, then, they must first appear after that date.

 

We have Q's pics as evidence that the boards were in place while the shroud was till intact. The shroud was being dismantled by 13 APR 2014.

 

And that would mean the advert boards appeared sometime between 16 MAR and 13 APR, not including those two dates.

 

We do need direct evidence of the preence of the boards, independent of Q's pics, just as we have evidence of the shroud's appearance. At this moment, we have such evidence BUT that pictorial evidence is situated outside the shroud interval - SV MAY 2014 and onward to at least AUTUMN 2014.

 

That said, of course, the EMB interval could be pushed back farther IF those pics are separated from the pics of the Corinthia Hotel, as discussed last bread. My emphasis here is that it dawned on me that we must treat Q's pics as direct evidence of some things. And that means details such as the shroud, the boards, and the Millbank lights all agree if they mark the same interval.

 

Stating the obvious can help settle the heart/gut if you know what I mean, frens. Process of elimination. I feel we are very close to resolving EMB-CH pics now.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 3:07 a.m. No.13708392   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

>>13705022

>There does appear to be boards in that vid, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjUwLHFsAMI .

 

It is quite the challenge to read that vid. Thanks for taking another looksee.

 

Been going back and forth with that vid ever since it was dug here. There are 3 positions on the handrails that can be seen very clearly in an image from the bridge found in GOOMAP. You have isolated that area in the ST PAT's vid.

 

Behind each position there are 'steps' or a type of concrete platform that buttresses the entrance area and the 'block' behind the entrance. These appear to be what you have identified as signs. But IDK the images are very hard to read, for me.

 

Here are some reference images with which to compare and to 'redraw' the three signs.

 

Also a slightly enhanced version of ROT1. You are quite right to detect colour, see the limits in that route, and then look at patterns. I concur that those pixels could be at least two of the advert boards.

 

In addition to colour and pattern, re-look at positioning. Perhaps I'm mistaken about how the vid remaps to the ref images.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 4:54 a.m. No.13708630   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8635 >>8704 >>9007 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

Ref pics for mapping or re-drawing advert boards onto the vid screencap.

 

From the backside, vantage point on bridge, can see how there is a step-like structure between handrail area and the riverside. From the other side, streetside, this can be seen through the handrails in SV MAY 2012, which is before these boards first appeared in SV images.

 

Next is from SV MAY 2014. On this one the handrail positions are drawn with upticks so as to leave clear the actual uprights that hold up the rail. The A, B, C arrows point at common areas across these pics.

 

Then SV MAY 2012 which shows no advert boards and so we can see what is on the riverside - the step-like structures - in relative position of the boards that would later appear.

 

And then the cap from ST PAT's vid 16 MAR 2014 with additional marks.

 

Arrows A and B point at the steps behind the handrail position. This may be what can be seen through the rails in the vidcap. If so, then, there are no boards blocking the way. In the two SV images, look for the lightly shade blue area that indicates where in those images the step-like structure can be detected. This runs across the backside of the positions that the boards would occupy. It may be where you have pointed arrows to indicate position of the boards. Hard to see one way or the other, I think. But for now count those two areas as occupied by boards.

 

Arrow C is lower down where there is an ornate wall that is built into the riverside wall. The SV JUL 2014 image from the bridge shows this nicely from the back side. The prev post including a cap from the same SV sequence. Now map the hand rail poles, or segments, from the SV bridge views, marked yellow, to the board positions on the streetside SV images; and then to the vid cap. Now look at the ornate structure pointed at by arrow C.

 

Seems that the purple advert board blocks the view from the streetside in SV MAY 2014 but is open and can be seen through the handrails in SV MAY 2012. Looks like that part of the ornate structure, where it terminates at the step-like structure, can be seen in the vidcap. If so, that would mean that particular board is missing on 16 MAR 2014.

 

That purple board occupied position 5 as per the yellow marked up SV image from the back side of the handrail area. Map that to the other images.

 

Please scrutinize as this is a key bit of evidence. If none of the boards are in place, the vidcap can not be a Q match. If only one of the three board positions is not occupied, then, it is a close match but still pre-dates the Q pics.

 

That is the reasoning. But do the images provide the facts upon which that thinking can be based?

 

If the image facts show a partial board setup, then, we can compare that with the partial shroud dismantling image facts. Things were not static. Hence close matches might be considered either as pre-dating or post-dating the Q pics. For the shroud we now have both pre and post images showing the shroud in different forms, plus the form that is a Q match. That is a noice complete set, before, during, after. With the handrails we have empty positions in SV MAY 2012 and filled positions in SV MAY 2014 and later; plus we may have partially occupied handrails in the vidcap of 16 MAR 2014.

 

While that would not represent a during, it would represent either a before or an after Q match.

 

Please checkout these images and be skeptical with the reasoning I've outlined. Test it for holes. This is a key bookend and it ought to be nailed as well as possible.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 6:16 a.m. No.13709007   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9074 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

>>13708630

 

Vid cap from 2013, posted MAY 2013, but mixed clips including some summerish and, based on trees, some winterish. Fortunatey, the view of the handrails is from when trees had less leaves. The vantage point is a bit due east of the ST PAT's vid and more east again in comparison with the TRAFCAM. However, can see how the structure behind the handrails could resemble the boards given certain shadows and such. The angle is pretty gud.

 

https://youtu.be/iifCcDCtD7I

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 6:31 a.m. No.13709074   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

>>13709007

 

Here is a vidcap from APR 2013, close seasonally to currently estimated EMB interval, with view from bridge of the back side of the handrails. As you can see, at least one board was up at that time. It was wider and taller than each of the advert boards of 2014 that together occupied the same position as this one in 2013.

 

>>13708704

compare with prev posted markedup view

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 7:04 a.m. No.13709237   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

Vid cap from save vid as prev post, but from the street side. Also a bit east of the ST PAT's vid view but closer to the TRAFCAM view. Depending on how you take into account differences in lighting and such, it is a pretty close match to the ST PAT's vid in terms of seeing through the handrails at certain places and being blocked by a board in other places.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 10:38 a.m. No.13711043   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13678409 pb

 

That is an amazingly detailed photo you found of the Corinthia Hotel - with the frame bollards and with the memorial, plus the first aid sign and the 'extra sign'. It has all the markers of a 2 MAR 2014 or later.

 

Very noice find. If there are more where that came from, with dates attached, please post and add to the collection of evidence.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 11:08 a.m. No.13711294   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2186 >>2194 >>0410 >>4796 >>4991 >>1781

9TH MARCH 2014: The outside of Westminster in London from Westminster Bridge. A taxi and people can be seen.

 

https://www.dreamstime.com/editorial-image-westminster-london-taxi-uk-th-march-outside-bridge-people-can-be-seen-image47397875

 

Check the rooftop shroud on left edge, southeast corner, of the HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT. That is not in LisaMi6, if not mistaken, and this pic was taken before 2 MAR bookend for the CH set.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 11:40 a.m. No.13711582   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1707 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

Here are some ref pics with markups.

 

LAYOUT of the Palace of Westminster, aka Houses of Parliament.

 

Aerial view of the building with yellow markup lines to match the markup on the layout.

 

The shroud behind BIG BEN is marked - it is above the House of Commmons where the elected reps do their thing.

 

The other shroud at issue is at the back of the building, along the riverside behind the SPEAKER'S HOUSE - an actual apartment used by the Speaker.

 

So the first shroud we have interval that ends 13 APR 2014 when it was being dismantled.

 

The second shroud not so sure about oddly enough. But prev post shows it was in place 9 MAR 2014 - AND does not appear in LisaMI6 nor in her sister pics found online recently.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 1:08 p.m. No.13712276   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2623 >>2784 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

After that far back shroud first appeared, it stuck around for a long time.

 

FEB 2014 - PREV POST

https://youtu.be/afy-P7Lg1Iw

 

MAY 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He_H6ScUa9o

 

OCT 2014

https://youtu.be/SkW-in2v838

 

DEC 2014

https://youtu.be/MazK2DWCD2U

 

JUN 2014

https://youtu.be/BH3hPf9tFr4

 

So, when did it first appear and does it help with the interval for EMB pics, esp LisaMI6?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 1:24 p.m. No.13712416   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2842 >>3036 >>3166 >>3632 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

>>13712186

 

Interdasting. The FEB 2014 pic may be very nearly a Q match on both shroud positions. The one behind BIG BEN, in the FEB pic, has the same number of levels and is below the top of the spire. The one at the southeast corner looks like in prep mode, not yet shrouded, and so may be in LisaMI6 afterall.

 

Take a close look. What do you see, anons?

 

Compare it with the two recenty found pics, the SISter to Lisa and 24LONDON.

 

Winging it today. May have be away for awhile so trying to jam more in with time available just now.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 2:05 p.m. No.13712784   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

>>13712276

>when did it first appear and does it help with the interval for EMB pics, esp LisaMI6?

 

If this southeast shroud showed-up before 13 APR 2014, then we would have a new bookend for the end of this particular interval.

 

If the southeast shroud showed-up on or before 16 MAR 2014, then, the handrail issue in the ST PAT's vid would becomes moot. We'd be hunting for evidence of an earlier bookend to start the interval.

 

That would mean opening things up all the way back to SEP/OCT 2013.

 

But if the southeast shroud showed-up AFTER 16 MAR 2014 and BEFORE 13 APR 2013, it would narrow the interval by becoming a new bookend for the end of the interval.

 

Have done quick search of pics archive but not sure this shroud appeared until the one behind Big Ben was partially down or all the way down. There is a gap, for that southeast corner, in what I have between SEP/OCT 2013 and MAY 2014.

 

Except, perhaps, for that vid posted 5 FEB 2014. So we are hunting for that shroud position between in FEB-MAR-APR 2014.

 

In short, LisaMI6, and her sisters, would have been taken before the southeast shroud showed-up.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 2:12 p.m. No.13712836   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3056 >>0410 >>4991 >>1781

>>13712623

 

Noice.

 

NO SHROUD southeast postiion, 21 JAN 2014

https://media.8kun.top/file_store/a199e567674fa79d1fb15664cddfa1da0069ea49d815d33d10a7d3e33ca69600.png

 

SHROUD present, 22 APR 2014.

https://media.8kun.top/file_store/b17f62c00cd5ff10c4b8a8df02d57ed78ef6175870598ace453e52298ab76d35.png

 

And then the spanner in the werks. Kek.

 

SHROUD sometime in MAR 2014.

https://media.8kun.top/file_store/7404b425f956eb0f549047c88a04f9e496f9d0b546bc415e8c7c6965d9f86083.png

 

THAT one changes the bookend that ends the interval. Drop APR and open up MAR 2014.

 

Lisa was taken BEFORE APR 2014.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 2:39 p.m. No.13713056   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3138 >>3395 >>0410 >>1131 >>4991 >>1781

>>13712836, >>13712623

 

Upbread we have a pic taken 13 APR 2014 which shows both shrouds. The one behind Big Ben is partially dismantled, on its way out of the picture; and the southeast corner is well-shrouded.

 

This is at odds with the date on the pic at dreamstime just posted, 'Taken March 2014', which shows the southeast shroud less built in the stages below the top seen on 13 APR 2014.

 

How to reconcile? it could have been partially dismantled in APR 2014.

 

Then look at the shroud in the north, it looks less shrouded in the MAR 2014 photo than in the APR 2014 photo. See the four windows.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 20, 2021, 2:52 p.m. No.13713138   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3860 >>0410 >>1131 >>4991 >>1781

>>13713056

 

The APR pic shows the shroud partially dismantled, and yet also more built-up than the prev month pic of same position. In MAR the four windows can be seen above any scaffolding that might be just out of sight. The comparison pic illustrates this discrepancy.

 

How to reconcile? The MAR photo is dated wrong? The scaffold was torn down a level or two during MAR but then built back up and then taken down again later in APR? IDK.

 

Need more evidence.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 21, 2021, 5:04 p.m. No.13722771   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2802

>>13722544

CHICOMs own IRANIAN REGIME.

Iranians and Chinese people are enslaved.

Centuries.

Unravelling in our lifetime.

Do not mistake the apparent rise of these adversaries to be anything but a last stand made with backs against the wall.

As the ancient Chinese saying goes, we live in interdasting times.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 21, 2021, 6:34 p.m. No.13723625   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4991 >>4776 >>1781

>>13723321

We have another upgrade in the surroundings that occured end of MARCH and, it would appear, continued through early APRIL 2014.

 

See the roadwerks in front of the entrance to the TATT.

 

Guessing that bit of difference means that the EMB pics were taken before 30 MAR 2014. And that is in accord with previous dig on the first aid sign, also in this 30 MAR pic; and with the missing trafcam, also in this pic, and the Marquee on the Playhouse โ€ฆ and the three advert boards on the handrails at HISP.

 

Now think back on those yellow suspended parking signs, temporarily attached to various posts, that were noticed in previous scrutiny of the EMB pics.

 

I do think that at least one of the foldable bollards can be seen through the tree branches.

 

Yes, we have already dated the CH pics as pre 2 MAR 2014. But that roadwerk now means that the EMB pics were taken pre 30 MAR 2014; well this is confirmation of prev figurings.

 

Now to dig on that roadwerk, frens. Spot anything on the deck of the HISP or the TATT?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 21, 2021, 7:10 p.m. No.13723962   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4362

>>13723035

 

Sorry, ANON, got distracted with the new pics with all those markers, 30 MAR 2014.

 

Yeh, I think there was a pic or two from FEB 2014. There was bread, noted in notables, where all kinds were posted to narrow the interval by the appearance of the shroud. It took a slightly diff form in FEB, if I recall rightly, but the differences were not seen in EMB pics so did not confirm. Might look into that past bread.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 21, 2021, 11:20 p.m. No.13725684   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4991 >>1781

>>13724362

 

Excellent notion, anon. Yes, think an early pre-shrouded version of the scaffolding would be useful for comparision. The earliest find of the north shroud was back in SEP/OCT after its form had changed from a taller version to the Q matched version. Might learn something about the stage of the southeast corner,, through such a comparison.

 

>>13724796

 

>between 6FEB, when only the small North tower was shrouded until the appearance of the other shroud on SE tower on 9MAR

 

See vidcap. The vid was posted 5 FEB 2014. It shows both positions occupied, with the southeast corner mostly unshrouded, and the north position very close to a Q match. Could even be a full on match. Will need a better comparison night for night or day for day.

 

Haven't the time just now, but a gud start would be comparing the daytime pic of 13 APR 2014 with this one as so much of the scaffold structure is exposed in both, without ocmpletely shrouded in either.

 

13 APR 2014

https://i0.wp.com/lesliecikra.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/img_1213.jpg

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 21, 2021, 11:47 p.m. No.13725762   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5772 >>5779 >>2007 >>4991 >>1781

VID posted 5 FEB 2014

https://youtu.be/afy-P7Lg1Iw

 

Photo taken 13 APR 2014, posted 15 APR 2014

https://i0.wp.com/lesliecikra.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/img_1213.jpg

 

Based on these pics, thinking the interval for LisaMI6, if not all of EMB, now pushed back to month of FEB 2014, if not earlier.

 

We may be looking at the Winter Wonderland Timeframe, afterall. Possible that the HISP advert boards will marke a further segementaiton of the EMB pics such that Lisa may pre-date ROT1. Looking for both shroud positions PLUS the position of the boards in same image or taken same day, perhaps by same source, as way to corroborate. How close can we narrow this down?

 

https://www.kensington-chelsea.com/index.php/winter-wonderland-hyde-park-returns-2013/

 

Timeframe may also includes hours openned.

 

10am to 10pm daily

Friday 22nd November โ€“ 5th January 2014

(opens at 5pm only on 22nd November and closed on Christmas Day)

 

www.hydeparkwinterwonderland.com

 

Note that the pic included in the blog entry was taken previous season. Not 2013/2014. But 2012/2013.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 22, 2021, 12:58 a.m. No.13725945   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5951 >>0435 >>4991 >>1781

Street level vid, tourists, amature, but captured a tree stump at corner of EMB at Big Ben.

 

https://youtu.be/d5DzpW2Fof4

 

Mark 5min22sec

https://youtu.be/d5DzpW2Fof4?t=322

 

Vid posted 6 FEB 2014.

 

--------

 

Here is a good day-to-day comparison pic for 13 APR 2014. iT has similar vantage point/view of the two shroud positions and was posted 30 MAR 2014.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/90613508@N04/13644363743/in/photostream/

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 22, 2021, 3:18 p.m. No.13729932   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4425 >>4991 >>1781

>>13725951

>https://youtu.be/d5DzpW2Fof4

 

Yes, a tree stump appeared in that vid which was posted 6 FEB 2014. That could be a marker.

 

VID posted 6 FEB 2014. Featured a large tree stump at corner of VICTORIA EMBANKMENT and PARLIAMENT. It and the nearby handrail at kerbside were removed sometime after this recording was made. Both the cutting down of the tree and the removal of the stump could serve as markers for the EMBANKMENT interval. Compared with SV images, this video appears to have been recorded before MAY 2012 and so is outside of that interval.

 

Too bad. Woulda made a kewl marker. That vid predates the target interval for EMB by a few years, prolly.

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/lKDwyD9yP1Zt/

 

https://youtu.be/BA7E8m7Lsqg

 

NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE NEW PICS OF THE JUNCTION THAT WERE ORIGINALLY POSTED 6 FEB 2014.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 22, 2021, 4:34 p.m. No.13730435   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0586 >>0756 >>0856 >>4991 >>4776 >>1781

>>13725945

 

The new 30 MAR 2014 pic shows the southeast shroud as more developed than that seen in LisaMI6. This is also true of the snippet captured in the ST PAT's Day vid of 16 MAR 2014.

 

This would indicate that LisaMI6 was taken before 16 MAR 2014.

 

The 30 MAR 2014 pic of the shroud is part of a set of images posted by the same originator; at least one of that set of photos shows the First Aid sign which appeared in a stock photo of 2 MAR 2014.

 

That would move the bookend for LisaMI6 to before 2 MAR 2014.

 

Also in that set of 30 MAR 2014 pics is an image that shows the advert boards on the handrails at HISP. It is the same image that shows the First Aid sign. That would mean the ROT series of trafcam images dropped by Q, and which show the advert boards, were taken before 2 MAR 2014.

 

The EMB pics, including LisaMI6, shows two shroud positions. The north position has been covered extensively in our digs; it retain the form seen in LisaMI6 until 13 APR 2014 at which time it was already partially dismantled. The southeast position, discussed upbread, in the EMB pics is fairly matched by a pic posted on 5 FEB 2014.

 

See pic attached.

 

Note that this was posted on, BUT WAS CAPTURED BEFORE, 5 FEB 2014.

 

The southeast position changed considerably by the time the pics mentioned above were taken on 30 MAR and on 16 MAR 2014.

 

This would place the new bookends for the EMB pics approximately at 5 FEB 2014 and 16 MAR 2014. And the best lunar dates run 15 to 22 FEB 2014.

 

See

>>13725418

 

And we have new evidence of roadwerks right in front of the TATT entrance which means it was well within the camera frames of the EMB pics. But not seen in those pics.

 

The 30 MAR 2014 pic showing roadwerks underway is followed by signs of that work completed by MAY 2014. There is a scar on the pavement in that location as per SV MAY 2014; was not there in SV MAY 2012.

 

See infographic.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 22, 2021, 4:55 p.m. No.13730586   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0632 >>4991 >>4776 >>1781

>>13730435

 

Related images.

 

In LisaMi6, the paved area scarred by previous roadwerks is visible but the scar is not; it might be there but it can not be clearly seen. In the other EMB pics, the area at that kerbside in that position is covered by vehicles.

 

This 30 MAR 2014 pic also shows the First Aid sign that was captured in a stock photo of 2 MAR 2014; and the three advert boards at HISP which are not all in place on the handrails in a vid of 16 MAR 2014; and the empty perch from where the frafcam took the ROT series of EMB pics.

 

This suggests that the advert boards were first put in their spot between 16 MAR and 30 MAR 2014. And that would date the EMB pics.

 

The roadwerks did not appear in the EMB pics and so that suggests those pics were captured a day or more before 30 MAR 2014, which was a Saturday.

 

That all needs to be reconciled with the lack of close shroud matches on 30 MAR 2014 and better matches before 5 FEB 2014.

 

The stickler is the 16 MAR 2014 video that shows a difficult to read view of the HISP handrails. IF the three boards were not in place on that date, then, we have contradictions, apparently. IF the boards were hanging on the handrails but are just hard to perceive, then, we'd need corroboration for the proposition that those boards may have been in place before 16 MAR 2014.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 1:14 a.m. No.13733316   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13730887

 

Yeh, the southeast corner of Westminster Palace underwent rooftop repairs; scaffolding appears in the Q pics you listed; that was followed by quite broad shrouding, which does not appear in the Q pics. So establishing the time interval for that southeast corner would entail spotting first signs of scaffolding, even before a resemblance to what is captured in Q pics, and the progress with the shrouding both as it went up and as it came down.

 

The interval of the north position intersects with this southeast position. So the goal is to track both positions for changes; and then match the combination of markers on the two positions such that we get a fair match with the Q pics.

 

Finding a source that took pics on the same day or closely for BOTH the view of Westminister Palace shrouding AND the genral scene at the junction of NORTHUMBERLAND and VICTORIA EMBANKMENT would be a real boost. We had that with the 30 MAR 2014 pics just posted this bread; and something close with the 13 APR 2014 pics upbread. But we can't be overly picky at this point. Need well-dated evidence either by a 'posted on' date or a 'taken on' dated or by some key marker on which we can estimate.

 

Like the list you used to summarized. Gud way to keep track of the various twists and turns, and the spanners in the werks.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 1:29 a.m. No.13733342   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3376 >>4991 >>4776 >>1781

>>13730856

^^^

 

Werking list on evidence of rooftop shrouding as markers for EMB pics.

 

Here' an example of the north shroud in its pre-Q firn, Taller, had a 'roof' over its top level. Appeared similar durin much of summer 2013; seems to have been altered beginning in SEP/OCT and reached a form that is a close Q match by NOV 2014. That was the form, pretty much, up to the earliest signs of dismantling in APR 2014.

 

This shroud's time interval has been the key connecting point across the EMB pics since that position has some prominence in each of those pics. Best seen in LisaMi6.

 

Now that our attention is drawn to the southeast position, it too is a connecting point across the EMB pics. Establishing the intersection of these two markers may narrow the EMB time interval, very closely.

 

A third point is on the street in front of the TATT. The roadwerks at kerbside at the entrance to the river pub has made its first appearance in our digz; it appeared in a 30 MAR 2014 photo tht shows many other markers we have previously scrutinized. One such detail is the First Aid sign that was captured on 2 MAR 2014 in a stock photo. So while that roadwerks position first appeared in a pic with a 'taken on' date of 30 MAR 2014, this sign first appeared on 2 MAR 2014; and that reinforces that the First Aid sign had been there for weeks after its first appearance as per SV images. This 30 MAR 2014 pic helps display and tie-together the bits and pieces spread across our digz.

 

Kinda expecting same to happen with these two rooftop positions that were shrouded.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 1:41 a.m. No.13733376   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4991 >>1781

>>13733342

Here's the pic of early version of north shroud that I mentioned in prev post.

 

Date Taken Sunday, 8 September, 2013

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3666874

 

The Thames from Hungerford Bridge

cc-by-sa/2.0 - ยฉ Chris Allen - geograph.org.uk/p/3666874

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 2:39 a.m. No.13733487   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3501 >>3514 >>4991 >>1781

>>13722687

>LISA, 24LONDON and SISter pre-date 16MAR2014 (St.Pats vid)?

 

LisaMI6, yes, the others I am uncertain because images look a bit too manipulated. But yes the scaffold features in 24LONDON and SISter would also pre-date the evidence we have for 16 MAR 2014.

 

>work effort clearly begun prep on the next tower (SE) before finishing the small tower(North-behind Big Ben)

 

Yes, and that second shroud position persisted for a few months, at least, beyond the Q-match north shroud form. So, its progress from scaffolding/staging to shrouding reinforces the timing we've established for the dismantling of the north shroud.

 

Moar evidence of that intersection would help narrow down the EMB interval, I think.

 

>all those pre-St. PAT dates in MAR2014 are bad

 

Yeh, process of elimination. Turns us toward FEB or earlier. Thinking Winter Wonderland Timeline. But as we establish the NOT AFTER bookend for EMB, we move next to FEB 2014.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 2:58 a.m. No.13733514   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3541 >>4991 >>1781

>>13733487

 

Keep in back of mind the intervals for the other subsets of these London pics.

 

RED BUS was captured before 23 MAR 2014. And we have cirucmstantial evidence that the bus stop sign in RED BUS changed AFTER 31 OCT 2014 when approval from the CITY was given at a meeting on that date. Prolly did not mean the sign changed next day, but sometime shortly after, perhaps. This interval is still rather wide but for current discussions am thining that the 23 MAR 2014 bookend may be significant. That said, the WW Timeframe fits neatly within the currently wider RED BUS interval.

 

The Corinthia Hotel pics, that is those Q pics that include the hotel, pre-date 2 MAR 2014. And these pices were taken after the blue bike hire stall was removed from the Northumberland kerbside, sometime before 4 AUG 2013, prolly spring but need moar evidence of that.

 

We now have evidence that the advert boards were on the HISP handrails by at least 30 MAR 2014. We have evidence that is hard to read that shows the handrails on 16 MAR 2014; a bit ambiguous on whether the 3 boards, or even if 1 or 2 boards, if any, were in position. I am inclined to say, not a Q match, but can see how others might disagree. If the boards were in place, that would eliminate a contradiction whereby the EMB pics, based on the shroud evidence, pre-date 16 MAR 2014, BUT ALSO SHOW THE THREE BOARDS IN PLACE. For me, that is goes to back of mind with the hope it will be resolved as our digz progress on other markers.

 

The PICCADILLY CIRCUS pics, apparenty related closely with the RED BUS, do not show signs of Chirstmas season; nor does RED BUS although that street was festooned with overhead light decorations. Yet, the scene shows people wearing winter overcoats and such. At the moment i have reviewed our dig on Piccadilly but thinking the interval was based on LG G2 advertisment and the release/availability of that product. The interval is not very narrow yeT.

 

The BLACK BOX pic time interval is JAN to JUL 2018, if remembering rightly. Quite reasonable to assume this one is loosely connected with the other London Pics.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 3:13 a.m. No.13733538   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13733532

>>13722660

 

General view of the Houses of Parliament seen from the BT Tower, London PRESS ASSOCIATION Photo. Picture date: Tuesday March 11, 2014.

 

https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/general-view-of-the-houses-of-parliament-seen-from-the-bt-news-photo/853146422?irgwc=1&esource=AFF_GI_IR_TinEye_77643&asid=TinEye&cid=GI&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=TinEye&utm_content=77643

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 4:03 a.m. No.13733618   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13712842

^^^

 

Such minutia is the stuff of a marker. There are loads of TATT pics online for 2013/2014, fren. Well worth a dig if you have an eye for it. Potential significance based on seasonal changes as well as hours of operation across seasons and special events.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 4:17 a.m. No.13733642   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13733634

That is the image that got me a bit too excited about the stump vid. Kek. The tree stump position would have been in the bottom right corner. In any case, that pic from end of NOV shows better the ground-up scaffolding staged at the southeast shroud position AND shows the Q-matched form of the northj position.

 

This helps narrow the interval start for EMB to about NOV/DEC threshold, maybe.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 4:21 a.m. No.13733659   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3685 >>3691 >>4991 >>1781

>>13733634

 

Gud series of 23 NOV 2013 shroud images at that website.

 

https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/st-george-wharf-tower-london-united-kingdom-architect-news-photo/929384856?adppopup=true

 

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/st-george-wharf-tower-london-united-kingdom-architect-broadway-malyan-picture-id929462568?s=2048x2048

 

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/st-george-wharf-tower-london-united-kingdom-architect-broadway-malyan-picture-id929462608?s=2048x2048

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 4:28 a.m. No.13733685   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>6745 >>4991 >>6933 >>6963 >>1781

>>13733659

 

For scrutinizing comparisons with 23 NOV 2013.

 

Date created: 25 December, 2013

 

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-sun-sets-across-westminster-and-the-london-eye-on-christmas-day-picture-id459313295?s=2048x2048

 

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-sun-sets-across-westminster-and-the-london-eye-on-christmas-day-picture-id459313291?s=2048x2048

 

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-sun-sets-across-westminster-and-the-london-eye-on-christmas-day-picture-id459313293?s=2048x2048

 

Gud for shroud positions but also Millbank Tower lights. These night images are from the day before Christmas Eve.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 4:43 a.m. No.13733717   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4991 >>1781

>>13733691

 

Date created: 21 January, 2014

 

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-houses-of-parliament-and-the-river-thames-on-january-21-2014-in-picture-id464142921?s=2048x2048

 

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-houses-of-parliament-and-the-river-thames-are-shrouded-in-early-picture-id464142929?s=2048x2048

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 6 a.m. No.13734003   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4058 >>4081 >>4143 >>4991 >>1781

Date created: 21 January, 2014

 

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/the-houses-of-parliament-and-the-river-thames-are-shrouded-news-photo/464142929

 

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-houses-of-parliament-and-the-river-thames-are-shrouded-in-early-picture-id464142929?s=2048x2048

 

Alternative view with moar skyline

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/the-houses-of-parliament-and-the-river-thames-are-shrouded-news-photo/464142925

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 7:19 a.m. No.13734425   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13729932

 

Anons please note the prev post re the tree stump. It provides an example of how we must be careful to corroborate our findings. The vid was posted at YT in 2014 but was actually recorded in 2012.

 

Now, we seem to be narrowing in on FEB 2014 in our hunt for a narrowed time interval for the EMB pics. Think ahead to when the London Pics will be explained and our work will provide the foundation for the chronology. What if we had relied on that one video, wrongly dated, so as to pegged the interval in FEB 2014? As of yet we have not narrowed it truly to FEB 2014, but imagine that we do and that it relied partly on that vid. Anyone who'd seek to discredit the hard work done here would highlight that error.

 

Fortunatey, the recorded time is now established for that vid and we can avoid such a scenario.

 

Always approach our thinking and our evidence with a skeptic's eye and attitude, please. No offence should be felt even when our best notions are burst like balloons. The evidence will stand if we uncover it and make due diligence with corroboration.

 

That said, we are gaining ground at a noice clip and all lare encouraged to jump in, dig for FEB evidence as that is our target currently, and challenge, challenge, challenge to make our work as firm as humanly possible.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 7:24 a.m. No.13734457   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13734143

 

My thought on that opening in the north shroud is that it was prolly there as an entry point for work pieces, such as newly cast iron roof tiles, and for tools as such. If the panel is dropped aside, it prolly was setup to hinge out of the way for transport purposes. On the other hand, that scaffolding is extensive and prolly provided much room within the hoarding to manipulate lifts of heavy or awkward bits and pieces. Note the lower stage outside of the shroud; looks like panels of a different kind thanthe rest, or covered pieces of materials, IDK.

 

If anons find other examples of a partial opening like that, please post with sauce. TYVM.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 10:01 p.m. No.13740125   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0189 >>4991 >>1781

Not sure but looks like the sign in ROT1 is basically the same as in the 22 DEC 2013 image; but the latter may have been modified in the top portion. Maybe a label of some sort was stuck over the original poster or graphic.

 

if that is so, then, within this marker, there may be another marker.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 23, 2021, 11:18 p.m. No.13740513   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0536 >>1061

>>13740266

 

Concur on location. The count of ornate spindels is very nearly the same. Difference of 1 more or less, is due to difference in angle of view.

 

Concur on content of poster/sign. Top part of the poster/sign does not have a sticker on it but is slightly obscured by tree coverage - end of a branch. That might give impression of a modification. But that is only apparent; not a real difference.

 

>Identical

 

In sum, yeap.

 

  1. Now, since this particular poster/sign has been so difficult to find any other month, let us indulge in convenient speculation so as to focus our efforts.

 

The poster/sign made a brief appearance during the latter part of DEC 2013 and possibly during the very beginning of JAN 2014.

 

  1. The phases of the moon in DEC 2013 would eliminate the first half of that month, anyway, and prolly most of the last week, too. See pic.

 

  1. The DEC night views in Getty photos posted upbread are such close matches with LisaMI6 it appears they are sisters rather than distant cousins. Millbank lights strongly support that as discussed upbread. Scaffold/shroud evidence of NOV 2013 does point to DEC as the best match.

 

But that still leaves JAN 2014 as a possibility. Not sure we can also eliminate FEB 2014, yet. The Getty photos for JAN cause me to pause; the sparcity of FEB 2014 images so far, also causes me to pause. However, for focus of effort, DEC 2013 seems a better candidate at this time.

 

Which means we shift from FEB and JAN and dig on DEC 2013 for corroboration or for elements that eliminate portions or all of that month.

 

That's my thinking on it. Anons contribute any which way you are capable.

 

WWG1WGA

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 1 a.m. No.13741047   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1113

>>13740203, >>13740514

 

>'catch anons up' on how you got to where you are and why it matters. A brief intro - as simple as possible - would help do this.

 

AND

 

>timeline of discoveries

 

Both are gud notions to develop here. Between dif efforts. In spare time. Kek. Still will be worth the effort made.

 

Also provides test basis for enhancement of vid series upcoming. May be time to start an eisodic approach, open ended. Considering.

 

Tech issues are a plague but am a stubborn ole bastard. Kek.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 5:26 a.m. No.13741757   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1785 >>1949 >>4991 >>1785 >>3000

>>13741002

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pumpkin8/8357391689/in/photostream/

 

Here is link to very high res photo that shows what is behind the GIANT OBSERVATION WHEEL in the skyline beyond the limits of the Winter Wonderland attractions at Hyde Park.

 

While this image is from the 2012/2013 season, taken on 3 JAN 2013, the camera is facing the same direction as it would have during the following year's theme park.

 

The image at the link provides the best view of the skyline, which is part of what can be seen in the background of EMB pics in 2013/2014. The left edge is approximately the middle of the camera frame of ROT1 or LONDON, for example.

 

So this image might serve well as a reference for orientating oneself within the theme park and so within London, but also in terms of the skyline beyond the darkness of the Winter Wonderland pic of the Wilde Maus ride. Might be useful for figuring that bright object in the night sky.

 

These snippets give a small 'eye-dea' of the bigger picture and its higher res details found at the link.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 5:33 a.m. No.13741785   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1949 >>4991

>>13741757

 

The pic was taken from the GIANT OBSERVATION WHEEL, looking toward the camera that took the Q pics. So the view of the skyline is over the shoulder/head, as it were, of the camera's vantage point, which would have had a gud view of the WHEEL and would have been almost lined-up to look right back eye-to-eye. Not quite, but very close to that perspective.

 

This means the bright object is behind and to the left of the camera position that took this high res pic at the link.

 

Misspoke when wrote that this โ€ฆ

 

>shows what is behind the GIANT OBSERVATION WHEEL in the skyline

 

It is actually the reverse view. Think mirror. Means that the scene of the JUNCTION pics is in the skyline of this high res but, therefore, to the back of the Q camera position.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 6:15 a.m. No.13741949   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2193 >>2245 >>1785 >>3000

>>13741785, >>13741757

 

The scene of the JUNCTION pics is in the skyline of this high res and, therefore, that skyline is overhead and behind the position of the Q camera in the WINTER WONDERLAND pic of the WILDE MAUS ride.

 

In effect, the 2013/2014 Q camera position looked into the face of the 3 JAN 2013 camera position. And vice versa.

 

This is the basic view that the high pic would have had a year later, when the Q WW pic was taken.

 

Think reverse view. The Q position looked toward the GIANT WHEEL; and in the night sky above the Q camera captured a bright white object. The rest of the night sky appeared a blank black. This would be due to the bright lights on the ground, prolly, and yet that white object came through anyway.

 

Might be something, might be nothing.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 6:28 a.m. No.13742007   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2111 >>2509 >>1785 >>3000 >>9970

VIP Preview, 21 NOV 2013.

 

Cara Delevingne attends the Winter Wonderland VIP launch in Hyde Park on November 21, 2013 in London, England.

 

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/cara-delevingne-attends-the-winter-wonderland-vip-launch-in-news-photo/451313597?adppopup=true

 

Think it was open, officially anyway, 5PM to 10PM. But, ya know, muh VIPs.

 

>>13725762

 

10am to 10pm daily

 

Friday 22nd November โ€“ 5th January 2014

 

(opens at 5pm only on 22nd November and closed on Christmas Day)

 

The park was closed due to winter storm during at least one day of the 2013/2014 season.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 6:51 a.m. No.13742111   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2120 >>2154 >>8801 >>1785 >>0395 >>3000

>>13742007

 

Re WW opening week.

21 NOV THURSDAY = VIP PREVIEW

22 NOV FRIDAY = PUBLIC OPENNING

26 NOV TUESDAY = GETTY PHOTO

23 DEC MONDAY = CLOSED FOR STORM

25 DEC WEDNESDAY = CLOSED CHRISTMAS

5 JAN SUNDAY = END OF SEASON, CLOSED

 

St George Wharf Tower, London, United Kingdom. Architect: Broadway Malyan Limited, 2013. Thames view with city landmarks.

 

Date created: 26 November, 2013

 

โ€”

 

Winter Wonderland to close ahead of stormy weather

https://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-12-22/winter-wonderland-closes-ahead-of-stormy-weather/

 

23 DEC 2013

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 6:58 a.m. No.13742154   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2605

>>13742111

 

The night of the stormy weather in DEC 2013 was also the night that at Piccadily Circus the CHRISTMAS plastic bubble over the statue - the 'snowglobe' structure - was damaged and deflated; don't think it was put back up but was prolly dismantled soon after. Green hoarding around the statue, if I recall rightly.

 

Don't think there is much in the way inclement weather depicted in any of the London Pics. So perhaps bracket the storm day of 23 DEC and treat it as 22-24 DEC?

 

On the other hand, there may have been a calm before the storm. Or clear skies after it blew through London.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 7:14 a.m. No.13742245   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2257 >>4991 >>1785 >>3000

>>13741949

 

Here is a 2012/2013 aerial of the theme park. Spot the BIG WHEEL, WILDE MAUS, DOUBLE DECKER CAROUSEL, and BAVARIAN HALL.

 

Almost same layout as in 2013/2014. So the Q camera would have been approximately at the carousel and looking toward the GIANT WHEEL. And the high res view of the skyline behind that position would have been taken by a camera on the GIANT WHEEL and looking toward and past the Carousel.

 

Just keep in mind the diff between 2012/2013 season and the 2013/2014 while also recognizing the close similarities for the sake of orientating between the high res of the earlier season and the Q camera of 2013/2014.

 

Sorry for the earlier confusion; thinking mirror is a bit confusing and I turned the description inside-out.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 7:16 a.m. No.13742257   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4991 >>1785 >>3000

>>13742245

 

AERIAL VIEW OF WINTER WONDERLAND, HYDE PARK, LONDON

http://stock.jasonhawkes.com/media/ead13ad6-67e0-11e3-b8c6-d796cb182655-aerial-view-of-winter-wonderland-hyde-park-london

 

The poster did not provide date taken, but analysis of the layout of the theme park indicates 2012/2013 season.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 7:22 a.m. No.13742288   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2370 >>2787 >>3448

>>13742247

 

Yeh, got that feeling, but haven't got enough evidence to satisfy it goes that far back. Posted that for sake of complete record; it may be nothing. What are your thoughts, ANON? Still think ought to focus on DEC 2013? Or work to eliminate earlier dates? Based on WW Timeline, possibly eliminate pre 21 NOV 2013?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 24, 2021, 7:13 p.m. No.13746980   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>7862 >>8156

>>13745360

>Millbank, SE tower scaffolds, North tower shroud, it seems pretty close to Christmas Day. But what astronomy sites tell us about when the Moon would be seen in London on Dec.25, 2013 is that the ROT1/EMB set represents a very late portion of the evening, as the Moon rises at 12:44am.

 

Please help me unpack those thots.

 

  1. Markers in surroundings/updates suggest Christmas Day, 25 DEC 2013.

 

  1. That day the moon rose at 12.44AM.

 

Anon, would that be 12.44AM in the early morn of 24, 25, or 26 DEC 2013?

 

Would 1 be at odds with 2 to a great extent?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 8:03 a.m. No.13750173   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0279 >>0386 >>1783 >>2980

>>13686365 old bread

 

>bus sign, it is weirdly cut, with a Gumby head shape which draws the attention. Next notice he sign's top portion is cut off by half. Missing the part which says, "SWITCH OFF." Now here is an important part: Notice some background where the top of the sign is missing. Not sure but I think this particular "portion" of the sign could be added in to the image. This one is the most puzzling.

 

PARKING at the EMB scene.

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5059774,-0.1226082,3a,65.9y,122.8h,86.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sbTvM5bQ6D-tYX_HGaj4Q7A!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

 

See anon's markup of the SV snips of that same sign position, SV MAY 2012 and SV MAY 2014. Compare with close up. It is odd. The SV imagery has been altered rather specifically. This is not an anomally from different angles or weird alignment as the camera passed by. The perspective on the copy-paste over is a giveaway.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 8:31 a.m. No.13750343   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0349 >>1783 >>2980

>>13750332

 

SAUCES

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5054726,-0.1228145,3a,15y,47.97h,87.67t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smIHEGKpn4gFCCLEK4lctvw!2e0!5s20120501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5055626,-0.1227791,3a,58.9y,110.67h,87.84t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sez4LdVg8iy4T-nRHf8vw3g!2e0!5s20120501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 8:34 a.m. No.13750364   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13748801

 

Almost definitely, as the EYE has been recorded as moving, for whatever reason, via the timelapses done last year from the Plaza Hotel. Might have been some sort of maintenance on mechanices or housecleaning done within or around the capsules. Would be movement of that sort, though, and not likely the regular open for business movements.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 8:39 a.m. No.13750402   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13748801

IDK, but do we have any other images of TATT while her gate on gangplank was closed or while she sat in darkness? Something to compare against EMB pics? My impression is that prior to 2014 the TATT was dimly lit at the best of times but not as dark as on the night of the EMB pics. Note that the HISP entrance had some lighting under the canopy even if it was closed or near closing/opening.

 

Thinking that lights out around Christmas Day would make sense but need direct evidence of that timing either from other years or a close Q match.

 

This darkness is absolutely a marker, Anon, and has been puzzling.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 9:12 a.m. No.13750648   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1339 >>1752

>>13750279

 

Parking signs.

Ref SV MAY 2014 and the common parking times listed from SV sequences previously and subsequent to SM MAY 2014.

 

Bus parking

8.30AM to Midnight

 

This would mean if there are no buses parked in Q pics, then, between 12.00AM and 8.30am.

 

Other PARKING?

 

Mon - Fri = 8.30AM - 8.30PM

Whatabout the opposite 12 hours?

 

SATURDAY = 8.30AM - 1.30PM

Whatabout the rest of the afternoon/evening/ night/ early morning?

 

The blue symbol, I think, is directly related to the lines on the street surface at kerbside. And the sign/lines combo govern bus parking.

 

The parking areas that do not show the lines on the street are governed by the rest of the signage?

 

Could a local London Anon help clarify how to read these signs, please? Might be loads diff from current parking signs.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 10:41 a.m. No.13751339   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1378

>>13750648

 

The info at the following link is current, so not for 2013/2014, however, shines a bit of light on how to read the parking zone signs.

 

The hours indicate charge times and applicable rates.

 

https://parkright.westminster.gov.uk/parkinglocator/8389

 

https://parkright.westminster.gov.uk/parkinglocator/6274

 

That parking app for City of Westminster probablly pre-dates 2013/2014, but not sure. Anyway, doesn't show a way to access old info on the zones on Embankment.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 10:46 a.m. No.13751378   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1472

>>13751339

 

sauces

https://www.westminster.gov.uk/parking/parking-fees-and-charges

 

https://parkright.westminster.gov.uk/parkinglocator/8389

 

https://parkright.westminster.gov.uk/parkinglocator/6274

 

http://transact.westminster.gov.uk/docstores/publications_store/parking/parking_zones_map.pdf

 

https://www.westminster.gov.uk/media/document/parking-fees-and-chargesโ€”changes-jan-2021

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 10:55 a.m. No.13751472   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1726

>>13751378

 

https://www.westminster.gov.uk/media/document/parking-zones-and-controlled-hours

 

NOTE: - Where Bank/Public Holidays are included this also means Christmas Day.

  • Coach Paid-For Bay charges only apply between 0830 - 1830.

  • Resident bay signage displays zone info only, not sub-zone.

  • Where a sign states 'Resident permit holders only' with no days or times quoted, this indicates that

the bay is controlled at all times, every day.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 11:22 a.m. No.13751634   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2433 >>3594 >>4776 >>1783 >>2980

>>13750712

 

Lamp out in LisaMI6 is in close proximity to the kerbside at which roadwerk was underway in pic of 30 MAR 2014.

 

Related? Could be.

 

Would fit current analysis because got other indications that LisaMI6 pre-dates the pic of 30 MAR 2014.

 

While not a new bookend but this is a find that reinforces the direction in which we have moved the bookend.

 

Interdasting that all the other lamps along the route are lit but this one is dark. Right there within the camera frame.

 

May be dark in ROT1, too. London, also.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 11:37 a.m. No.13751726   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13751472

 

OPERATING COACHES IN LONDON

https://content.tfl.gov.uk/operating-coaches-in-london.pdf

COACH DRIVERS

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/coach-drivers/?cid=coachdrivers

 

RED ROUTES

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes

 

ADVICE FOR DRIVERS

https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/coach-drivers/advice-for-drivers

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 11:51 a.m. No.13751817   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13751752

 

Yes, it looks like the symbol on the yellow sign with the coach in it refers to setting and alighting; so drop-off only rather than parking spots.

 

Check the map that was produced during consultations on revamping the JUNCTION of Northumberland and Embnakment.

 

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/cycling/a8130262/user_uploads/csew-northumberland-ave-map-print.pdf

 

A TfL stop was eliminated. And parking along the east kerbside eliminated with the cycle-only lanes that side of the Embankment. Some of it was moved toward Houses of Parliament. Lots of that planning go pushed aside, temporarily, due to the Tideway Tunnel project that took up loads of space between the JUNCTION and the new mooring location of the TATT. But piecing together the 2013/2014 scenario, appears that the lack of coaches in the Q EMB pics is a significant marker that suggets off-peak hours, natch.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 6:17 p.m. No.13754727   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4818 >>1783 >>2980

>>13753594

 

JUNCTION of Northumberland / Embankment, 10 APR 2014.

 

Gone was the 30 MAR 2014 roadwork hoarding on kerbside lane and back were the coaches in the parking spots in vicinity of the TATT.

 

Look for the partially obstructed view of the north shroud position near the end of the short snippet.

 

https://youtu.be/_Okx5xuyo_0

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 25, 2021, 6:24 p.m. No.13754776   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4818

>>13723625, >>13730435, >>13730586, >>13733342, >>13751634

 

The evidence of some roadwerk underway in front of the TATT's entrances began with the 30 MAR 2014 pic of the general EMB scene, a sort of reverse view looking back toward the trafcam position of the Q pics. Now we have two vids from early APR 2014 that show the hoarding gone and the lanes freed up for coach parking again.

 

This roadwerk interval began some short while, presumably, before 30 MAR 2014 and was done before 10 APR 2014.

 

Might have no bearing on our anaysis and conclusions other than reinforcing the direction in which we moved the bookend for EMB pics. Or there may be more than we currently know. Time will tell.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 5:11 a.m. No.13757424   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>7639

>>13754854

That is a gud detail that could serve both as a clock-by-the-hour, almost, and as a tidal marker, as you say re direction.

 

When it comes to water I could not kick myself out of a wet Echo, but when the tide swells and dispells, within the confines of a seawall, such as that a few metres from the dingy, might it wander away from the TATT's platform toward the seawall and at times wander back toward the TATT; the larger vessel is moored and so rises and falls with the tide but does not wander vis-a-vis the seawall.

 

Asking due to the observation that can see space between dinghy and platform in two of the closeups and not in the other in which the dinghy is resting against the platform.

 

I do like your observ re stern of the dinghy. It may well be worth a deeper dig, fren, (I said sternly).

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 5:20 a.m. No.13757469   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13751492

Yes, there are various markers that indicate the season of the Winter Wonderland pics Q dropped is 2013/2014. A very deep dive documented many of these in pics and vids. At some point will prepare a sort of index that can be posted at top of breads so that new eyes, or eyes returning, can become directly acqainted with those older digs and the conclusions drawn.

 

One of our difficulties, here on this site, has been the loss of links to most of our graphics. Early on we sorta just posted pics and kept moving. Now need to revisit and make the material easy to access.

 

TY Anon for poking around those vids. Can be grueling but also quite satisfying when you make a discovery such as the one you noted.

 

WWG1WGA

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 7:53 a.m. No.13758190   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8277 >>8474 >>8505 >>8697 >>8855 >>1783 >>7148 >>3006 >>0452

>>13756614

 

Contemplating the meaning of the London Pics is what we ultimately will need to get through. Glad you are sharing now, fren.

 

The black box pic is at a bus shelter. Shelter S is on the coach route out of London but going through London from VICTORIA station. That shelter is not a regular TfL bus stop for city traffic goers. Since Shelter S is near Victoria Station, one could get on there for a journey out of town. There is a corresponding shelter on the other side of the road for deboarding from out of town. The road is Victoria Street but going toward Parliament, enroute to destinations beyond, the traffic passes through Sanctuary and Broad Sanctuary; and then reaches Bridge Street at Victoria Embankment; the route continues up the Embankment and onward.

 

This route must go through sanctuary. Is not a sanctuary a refuge, a shelter, a safe intermediary destination that can turn into a terminal destination of sorts. Yes, and that is the history of the area within Westminster known as The Sanctuary. If you check a street map you may discover various place names that tie-in to that history very neatly because these are derived from what may be largely forgotten context around the ABBEY. The scale of London can obscure the significance of its landmarks which, for most, are tourist attractions and not matters of life and death - of refuge.

 

Yet in the CH pics our attention is drawn to the pedestrian islands. These are also known as refuges. And nearby there is the Junction refuge that the targets used to cross the well-known and very public Embankment that leads to the foot of Big Ben and Westminster PALACE. This palace is a castle, a green castle. We learned in our digs that there have been 'incidents' at the pedestrian refuges; that signs - or signals - came and went, sometimes due to damage and sometimes due to upgrades - while the route remained in constant use. There's the then-recently revived building turned into a hotel, another sort of shelter, across from the cabmen's shelter, and there's the First Aid station, a type of refuge, as indicated by a temporary sign on a post at the foot of the footbridge stairs.

 

Beyond Northumberland, captured over the shoulder of the Corinthia Hotel in CH1, is the NEW ZEALAND embassy in a building known as, NEW ZEALAND HOUSE. It was built from ground up for its ambassadorial purpose. And, with its 18 floors, it is also noteworthy as the only tall building in this part of London.

 

See the attached pics and the views available from the balcony on upper level of the building's tower. The scenes of Q pics are well sighted from that vantage point - the JUNCTION, the EYE, PICCADILLY CIRCUS, the RED BUS at Whitcomb/Coventry streets, and even Hyde Park which, in season and at night, provides a sort of beacon through the GIANT OBSERVATION WHEEL.

 

One might infer that the appearance of New Zealand House, NZH, in the daytime pic of CH, portends meaning as the view from its balacony is a sort of in-between watch tower that, like a virtual 360-degree bridge, connects or links various sites of Q pics.

 

UK diggers are encouraged to explore the various views from, and of, NZH, that are available at sites such as geograph.org.uk. Search by criteria that might fit our overall dig on London Pics.

 

WWG1WGA

 

https://www.geograph.org.uk/of/new+zealand+house

 

PIC

Top of the Tower at 80 Haymarket

https://www.buildington.co.uk/london-sw1/80-haymarket/new-zealand-house/id/3005

 

View toward Picadilly, from New Zealand House tower

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/6326986

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 8:06 a.m. No.13758277   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8329 >>8419 >>8474 >>1783 >>3006 >>0452

>>13758190

 

Will add that on the way between CH and NZH, there are several locations of interest.

 

  1. Canada House, reduced the 'CH' would confuse with Corinthia Hotel - double meaning.

  2. Another bus Shelter S across the street from Canada House.

  3. The Roundabout, which is also the centre of London re surveys and development, and, if you consider comparison between the layout of Winter Wonderland of 2013/2014, is in a position relative to the double decker carousel or roundabout.

  4. Trafalgar Square - which in the pic post previously is just out of sight and partically obscured by the cut-out or close-up copy-pasted over it.

 

And moar. For example, here is another view from the watch tower of NZH which shows the well-lit GIANT OBSERVATION WHEEL in Hyde Park during WW. The wheel would be differently situated in 2013/2014, but you get the idea.

 

Might we also, then, have a link in meaning for the Q pics regarding wristwatches, IDK. The watch, of course, also has significance as a naval practice and term.

 

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/6326992

 

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5114836

 

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5115099

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 8:16 a.m. No.13758329   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8474

>>13758277

 

NZH is situated at a location which has a very storied past. It was the site of the Carleton Hotel, which was destroyed in bombings of WWII. But long before that there were comings and goings and habbenings that capture the imagination, again, as one contemplates the scale of London both in time and place.

 

TIME AND PLACE, which is part and parcel of digging these London Pics so as to date and find potentially intended meaning of their having been posted by Q.

 

For a tasted of this, and just by focussing on one small area within the boundaries, take a looksee at the following account of this area of HAYMARKET.

 

Foreign Ambassadors in Peril

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/old-new-london/vol4/pp216-226

 

During the riots which ensued on the accession of William and Mary to the throne vacated by James II., the house of the minister of the Duke of Florence, which was in this street, had a narrow escape of being burnt and sacked by the mob, as was also that of the Spanish ambassador. Sir Henry Ellis, in his second series of "Original Letters," quotes one from an eye-witness, dated December 13, 1688, who describes the scene, the "train-bands coming up only just in time to save the house from destruction, and that only after the officer at their head being shot through the back." The attack, however, was renewed a day or two afterwards, when Macaulay tells us that the house above mentioned was destroyed by the infuriated mob, who paraded the streets, almost unchecked, with oranges on the top of their drawn swords and naked pikes. "One precious box," he adds, "the Tuscan minister was able to save from the marauders. It contained some volumes of memoirs written in the hand of King James himself."

 

The authors of the "Rejected Addresses," in their imitation of Crabbe, as shown in the line quoted as a motto for this chapter, would seem to give a bad name to the Haymarket and its inhabitants, on the score of moral character, if we are to take literally the expression "rogues in grain." But if the meaning of the adjective "canting" as applied to them is to be understood in its ordinary sense, some explanation of it is certainly required; for we never heard of the Haymarket assuming even the appearance of rigid virtue.

 

ALSO spot the anecdote about 'Thackeray on Addison' which describes the impetus for a famous poem, at least within the realm of UK historians, which closes as follows -

 

And all the thunders of the battle rise.

'Twas then great Marlborough's mighty soul was proved,

That in the shock of charging hosts unmov'd,

Amidst confusion, horror, and despair,

Examined all the dreadful scenes of war,

In peaceful thought the field of death surveyed,

To fainting squadrons lent the timely aid,

Inspired repulsed battalions to engage,

And taught the doubtful battle where to rage.

So when an angel by Divine command,

With rising tempests shakes a guilty land,

Such as of late o'er pale Britannia passed,

Calm and serene he drives the furious blast;

And, pleased th' Almighty's orders to perform,

Rides on the whirlwind and directs the storm.'

 

Loads moar. The general idea is that attached to locations are stories and, sometimes, these carry meaning beyond the day of the habbenings.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 8:32 a.m. No.13758419   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8474

>>13758277

 

>1. Canada House, reduced the 'CH' would confuse with Corinthia Hotel - double meaning.

 

Another FVEY member.

 

Along with NZH and AUS would be consider a junior member. Canada might even be considered a bridge between the two senior members, USA and UK.

 

Whereas, AUS and NZ is a bridge to the PACIFIC for both the UK, in terms of LONDON being financial capitol of the world, and the USA, in terms of being the Superpower of the world.

 

By the by, has it struck anons how, in the aftermath of the fall of the SOVIET EMPIRE, there was great effort in our news media and in academia to protray the USA as the only superpower? And, thus, misdirecting our gaze from the CHICOMs and instead toward the Western Civilization's navel? This was either a goal that was pursued and achived by design at the outset, or, to be moar open to 'coinkydinks', a western tendency that was taken full advantage of by those for whom adantages would be pressed longterm.

 

The second Bus Shelter S at Canada House may be related to the one at NIOC House to which Q drew attention. The building then occupied by NIOC is now under re-development; it has quite a view from its London Pentagon floor; but in the past it served as a UK government office for the COMMONWEALTH and, by extension, the British Empire. There, in this building, the legislation for the Dominion of Canada was hashed out; and, after WWII, it was also where the independence of INDIA was eventually negotiated, in part, with UK legislators and foreign office officiandos.

 

And, just as much of London, including sites of Q pics, have been undergoing upgrades in surroundings, and in the guts of buildings, Canada House has seen changes both to itself and to its neighbour on Cockspur Street, OCEANIC HOUSE, OH.

 

An occupant of between CH and OH is The Serious Fraud Office. I know, sounds like a setup for a Monty Python sketch.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 8:39 a.m. No.13758474   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13758190, >>13758277, >>13758329, >>13758419

 

It seems to me, fellow UK anons, that we are to serve as the builders of a sort of encyclopedia for the sites of these London Pics, as well, natch, of the dating of the scenes in those pics.

 

Think, Sherlock Holmes and his brother Mycroft. Only far moar humble.

 

I alwlays thot of 'Mycroft' as a crafty play on my craft, as in spy craft.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 8:44 a.m. No.13758505   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8524

>>13758190

Redevelopment of NZH

https://www.buildington.co.uk/london-sw1/80-haymarket/new-zealand-house/id/3005

 

The original design of New Zealand House will be preserved and key features restored, such as the Grand Stair ceremonial staircase. The interior will be transformed to deliver modern workspaces designed to meet the needs of businesses now and into the future, and The Crown Estate also plans to create a dedicated entrance for office customers on Pall Mall.

 

The New Zealand Governmentโ€™s spaces in the building will be sensitively refurbished and consolidated to meet the functional and technological needs of a 21st century High Commission.

 

As part of its plans, The Crown Estate is also proposing to replace all windows in New Zealand House. The upgraded glazing will deliver improved acoustic and thermal performance, delivering an 80% improvement in the buildingโ€™s energy performance, thereby reducing its carbon footprint and emissions.

 

Royal Opera Arcade will also be sensitively refurbished and will continue to offer a series of amenity services for the local business and residential community. The renovations to the arcade will also enhance the connection between Pall Mall, St Jamesโ€™s Market and the broader St Jamesโ€™s area.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 9:51 a.m. No.13758855   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8977 >>9010 >>1783 >>3006 >>0452

>>13758190

 

CH1

 

Here is a marked-up pic showing where to find New Zealand House within the camera frame of the daytime Q pic of The Corinthia Hotel. It is visible just over the shoulder of the hotel, during daytime, but not during night time. This is possibly one of the reasons for this particular image to have been dropped by Q.

 

It also draws attention to the season because the tree branches are not full and so do not obscure the view down the length of Northumbrland.

 

For comparison, here is a summerish view of the same scene from about the same vantage point.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 10:12 a.m. No.13758977   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9010 >>9299 >>3006 >>0452

>>13758855

 

Actually, the lights, at least, can be seen in the night pic of The Corinthia Hotel as captured in ROT3. Not so well, if at all, in the night pics of CH2 and CH3.

 

And, to continue with the previous thot of previous post, this view of the lights, if not the building, of NZH may be part of the meaning of Q dropping this 'repeat' of The Corinthia Hotel. Prolly moar going on in these pics than just NZH, natch, but it is a surrounding detail and part of the physical landscape - and NZH was and will continue to be undergoing upgrades.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 10:15 a.m. No.13759010   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1783 >>3006 >>0452

>>13758855, >>13758977

 

Taken together, then, CH1 and ROT3 provide a view through the tree branches that would have been obscured at almost any other time of the year in London during 2013/2014 - and perhaps mostly likely true in other years as well. The Timeframe is one in which the foilage did not prevent a view of NZH from the vantage point from which both day and night pics were taken.

 

This helps to further reinforce the interconnection, timewise, between the ROT series and the CH series of Q drops. Not that we needed that reinforcement, but it is there nonetheless.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 12:55 p.m. No.13760039   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13759319

 

The NOAH SMITH article within that thread is nonsense. PCR results did not track illness nor infection. So the premise that lockdowns did not do the damage and that, instead, fear of the virus did the economic damage is based on falsehoods.

 

What induced the fear and kept it stoked, if not the newsmedia harping on and on about PCR results. Yeap, and what inflated the death count, if not the misleading death 'with' covid vs death by covid. The continual use of government imposed lockdowns was unconstitutional and based entirely on fearmongering.

 

The fear was not caused by particularly deadly virus. It was caused by government reaction to it, including lockdowns, that amounted to feeding the fear rather than curtailing it. So, yes, you can still place the blame at the foot of government reaction rather than some magically induced fear people had of something that did not overburden hospitals nor was overly lethal nor made most peole sick.

 

That article, if it Dominic Cummings first part of his data dump, is good only so far as to highlight the weakenss of the thinking behind it.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 1:09 p.m. No.13760122   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0133

>>13759299

 

NZH is two London Pics. Would not be if the images were taken at different time of year such that the greenery on the branches of the trees would have blocked the view of NZH. Early on, UK anons took note of the trees to determine time of year.

 

Monitor the trees through the seasons and can rule out half of the year and, possibly, refine down to a few months. Which is what most of the markers have done for our digz. And that might be a touch or two better than the bike hire docking station/s or the pink/purple building on the Albert Embankment. Those are two examples of things emphasized earlier than NZH, but NZH has always been in the pictures. Likewise the bus shelter S very close by NZH. That is one connexion with the 'outlier', black box pic, that is much more recent than the rest. Likewise, the view of WW from the centre of London is fairly unusual, because it was the only tall building in that part of London. It can be seen from afar, quite well, and from it one case quite far also. It is on the way between CH and Piccadilly; and as much on the way from CH or Piccadlly Circus to the corner at which the RED BUS pic was taken. As for dating these various pics, there are changes at NZH not yet explored in the way that we have explored the lights at Millbank Tower.

 

What is there not to get, fren.

 

NZ is a member of five eyes. From the tower of NZH you can have eyes on almost all of the scenes of the London Pics, as illustrated above. NZ is an often overlooked player in the sharing of intel within this US/UK led coalition.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 1:21 p.m. No.13760186   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13759319

>Sweden: data shows despite no official 'lockdown' behaviour changed enormously.

 

Sweden is not a remote island. Its population lives in the midst of much fearmongering, including the PCR stats game, and it woud be hard to miss the influence of other places locking down severely. This overflow effect had its influence within the 50 states of USA.

 

Also, in some of the countries being compared the previous years of exposure to influenza would have had an impact on herd immunity; that is, unless you buy the hopelessly flawed notion that this COVID-19 was some super killer virus and that the world was populated by virus virgins, as it were, with zero immunity to resist. And that notion was central to launch of the fearmongering campaign. Government reaction stoked the fear and that is a huge contribution to how the populations behaved, whether locked down or not.

 

The impact on the economy could have been far less if more governments in more countries shook off the fear and relied instead on fact gathering that was reliable instead of based on so many fundamental falsehoods and abuses of scientific and healthcare 'expertise. Classic examples, over and over, through this foolery that someone expert in some narrow field is hardly qualified to alone dictate the broader field of play in any complicated system such as interconnected economies and such as societies based on openness rather than closed and nontransparent tyrannies steeped in sudden impuse to censor and quash science and public debate.

 

Dominic Cummings may have dump some data but his misinterpretation concedes far too much to the neutrality of the massive intrusion of fearmongering and government foolery. The graphs are noice but he uses them misleadingly.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 26, 2021, 2:57 p.m. No.13760857   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2400

>>13760161

 

Tanks.

 

Fren, as a naval guy, could you please explain The Watch and, if not too much trouble, the tradition for the retirement watch, from your own firsthand perspective? US or UK or whichever other you may have served. Insight is always welcomed.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 7:17 a.m. No.13765486   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>5522 >>7131

>>13762994

 

Premise - each marker found within the camera frame of a Q pic is a means by which to date that pic.

 

Premise - the cluster of dated markers found in the same Q pic will define the time interval of that pic.

 

The interval is the period between the earliest it could have been captured and the latest.

 

That said, there are different means of assigning dates to markers based on an explicitly reported date.

 

The 'date posted' is often the date a picture or a video is posted online. This reported date is usually automatically generated during upload to a website or service such as YT. The 'date posted', would indicate the latest that the content could have been recorded. The dating of the video in which a tree stump was noted, upbread, is an example of a 'date posted' being years after the recording was made; this was checked by reviewing the content against other sources such as GOOMAPS.

 

A news source, blog source, and the like usually have a posted date or a published date. This date could be misleading but often is reliable. Sometimes the lag between content creation and publishing is a single day, with headlines and body text, and quite different with photos or other images included in the article or entry. Verification of the date of each element within the article might show the photos are days or months or even years older than the published date. A common example would be a company's use of recorded content captured during the production of an advertisement or promotion. See the previous bread for the example of a night video that was within a promo video for the Corinthia Hotel, as a recent example.

 

The 'date posted' on YT was about 10 months more recent than the date on a newspaper recorded in the video; that newspaper was record in a different shippet from the recording of the exterior of the hotel at night but the season, generally, matched.

 

The 'date taken', or sometimes published as 'date created', must be verified, ultimately, through some means of corroboration. For a subtle example, see the ST PAT'S DAY video which recorded events in London on the day before 17 MAR 2014; the parade and celebration was held on the SUNDAY before ST Patrick's Day. This was corroborated with that year's calendar, various notices by the City and in news sources and in event promotions.

 

There are other means of generating a reported date, and various methods to corroborate, yet sometimes the options are very limited. The result is a less trustworthy reported date and the fallback to the broad notion that the content could have been captured AFTER the reported date. Even that could be a problem if the reported date could be altered without an automatically generated update date.

 

Sometimes the use of reverse searches, searches by image, can dig up instances with reported dates. Tineye searches generate reported dates; but each instance still needs some corroboration and that can run into the problem of broken links and the like.

 

Poorly corroborated dates are less reliable and sometimes that is the best that can be done for a given marker. Even weakly established dates can be useful in digging on related markers within the same pic. And, where the content of two or more pics can be linked either in time or in place, markers that are poorly corroborated, if at all, can still be useful in the digz on related markers.

 

Okay, so with those cautionary notes about dating images, and on the note of related markers, let's return to the two premises above.

 

PS - Anons plese feel free to test/question, or to disagree with, these premises, Likewise re the cautionary notes re dating markers. Sharpening and refining methodology is a continual process.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 7:21 a.m. No.13765522   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13765486

> fallback to the broad notion that the content could have been captured AFTER the reported date.

 

Correction.

 

fallback to the broad notion that the content could NOT have been captured AFTER the reported date.

 

Will add that this is less reliable where that date is not generated during upload.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 10:56 a.m. No.13767131   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1783 >>2980

>>13762994

>>13765486

 

>How do you see the recently discovered markers' effect on the the bookends for EMB and how that could influence the CH bookends?

 

Or vice versa.

 

The EMB series of pics includes all pics that show the EMBANKMENT plus those that show the area around the Corinthia Hotel, CH.

 

However, there is reason to treat the CH pics as seperate, or potentially seperate, from the rest. The content within the camera frame has not yet provided a time-link to connect ROT3 with ROT2; but the content of ROT3 has many connexions with the other CH pics via markers only found in pics that include the hotel.

 

Interestingly, there is only one daytime pic in the EMB/CH series. CH1 shares the markers found in the other hotel pics; and it may reveal a difference measured in hours rather than days, weeks, or months. A good starting place for that evaluation seems to be the appearance of the NZH tower in both CH1 and ROT3. That view would place both in the winter 2013/2014 timeframe, certainly, as the view of NZH would have been blocked by more fulsome warm weather leaves of the Northumberland tree canopy. And that leads to comparison of ROT3 with CH2 in terms of the light pattern on the NZH tower. In ROT3 the open air balcony at the top floor was lit while several floors immediately below it were in the dark. But it would appear that in CH2 the balcony was in the dark and only one window, if any, was lit up a few floors below. That detail has yet to be fully dug, but this difference between ROT pics would suggest the lights were turned on/off during the time interval shared by ROT3 and CH2. That interval could be minutes, hours or days or longer.

 

So while ROT3 has strong connexions with the other CH pics, it also may serve as a point of departure WITHIN the CH group. This is a new issue. It resembles that of the MILLBANK tower light patterns.

 

A recent issue that also touches ROT3 is whether or not it is seperated from the time interval of the other ROT pics, and of the other views of the EMBANKMENT. ROT3 has been dated as taken BEFORE 2 MAR 2014; but the HISP advert boards, which appear in LONDON and ROT2, may not have appeared until AFTER 16 MAR 2014.

 

Also, we have evidence that the trafcam was not on its perch on 16 MAR 2014 nor on 30 MAR 2014 inclusive, suggesting, and only suggesting, that the trafcam was missing during those 15 days. If that trafcam was missing, then, ROT3 could not have been taken during that period of time. Nor CH1.

 

With more digging on the two ROOFTOP shrouds on Westminster Palace, the time interval for the EMB pics was moved earlier. But that is at odds with the evidence that the HISP advert boards did not appear until after 16 MAR 2014; these are captured in the Q pics that show the shrouds.

 

At this point, we invoke the two premises above. The Q pics show the boards and the shroud in the same camera frame. The shroud info is firm; the advert board info is not corroborated; the shroud controls the interval. At the same time, still need corroboration that the boards were in place before 16 MAR 2014.

 

Further, a Sidewalk Signboard was also captured in the same camera frame as the shroud markers. We have evidence for it being in place on a reported date, 22 DEC 2013. Thusfar we have no direct evidence that it appeared before nor after that date. The best we can do, now, is to take the reported date at face value, with due caution, and use it to say that particular photo was not taken AFTER 22 DEC 2013. Does not narrow the EMB time interval. And it returns us to the problem with the HISP advert boards.

 

So we go with the stronger evidence; the Sidewalk Signboard was clearly captured in a pic with a reported date we as yet have no reason to doubt, whereas the HISP's advert boards were ambiguously captured, if at all, in a vid with a well-documented date. Clarity prevails over ambiguity. The Sidewalk Signboard moves the interval to before 16 MAR 2014 and at least as far back as 22 DEC 2013.

 

There are stock photos with the reported date of 24 DEC 2013. These captured a pattern on the MILLBANK tower lights that is very close to matching the Q pics. So much so that there is some good reasons to suggests that the pics may be narrowly dated by the 24-48 hours that bracket the usual office closing time around Christmas Day.

 

There is loads more to discuss, but there's a stab at a start to the conversation.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 12:02 p.m. No.13767621   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>7631 >>7869

>>13766933

 

Anon, the GETTY site explicitly provide a 'Date created' for their photos. The 24 DEC 2103 is a reported date and as a single datapoint it calls for corroboration to firm it up. The filename says Christmas Day, but maybe we can do better, IDK. If it the interval is narrowed that tighty, a day or 48 hour duration, then, we will need to be very servere in our assessment of any evidence that would corroborate - to be on the safe side. Or, if we can take it only so far, at least we can be factual about that limitation.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 12:12 p.m. No.13767701   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>7804 >>7869 >>7899

>>13766933

>This can still leave the possibility of Christmas Eve open due to no one likely reporting for work on Christmas since getting off work at 6pm (a ballpark figure) on Christmas Eve.

 

Yes, and more than that, potentially.

 

Guess could try to find out how the date created field is filled at the GETTY site. It seems a deliberate effort to distinguish it from date taken or date posted.

 

If it is automatically generated with upload, then, that pic was uploaded 25 DEC rather than taken on.

 

If it is automatically generated by photo archiving software, that some sites provide for their originators, then, its an archival date rather than a taken on date.

 

And, natch, sometimes the orignator provides the date, manually, and so could archive and upload on different dates while over-rideing and assigning his or her actual date taken. I think that created may be an aspect of a particular type of archival software for images, but can't be sure at this time.

 

So default would be a very cautious taking at face value that the reported date is the latest the image could have been taken. It is a soft date, in that sense, and so, yeap, corroboration will be needed.

 

Thinking you are on the right track and am ready to lend support for your leading charge into the fray, fren.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 12:34 p.m. No.13767869   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8106 >>8168 >>1783 >>3474 >>2980

>>13766963

>You say those Millbank matches are "day before Christmas Eve" but the links say Christmas.

 

Depends on how we read the phrase, date created.

 

see

>>13767701, >>13767621

 

And keep in mind the stormy interval of about 22-24 DEC 2013. That interval is longer than the actual storm, but concerns were raised at the time, according to news reports, on the 22nd; so might have been gathering on night of 22nd, IDK. Could use some more evidence of the weather conditions. Pics or vids.

 

The theme park was open 24 DEC and am thinking that there might have been some physical indications that a strom had come late 22 and had passed late 23rd and so would crossover to at least early morn of 24. The bracketing of this interval may be too generous. Skies can clear really nicely after a windy storm.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 12:47 p.m. No.13767956   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13767804

 

Yeh, could be largely empty after 10PM on most nights during Christmas season. I think the vendors might have been restricted on hours of operation; but you know if there was a crowd ready to pay to play, vendors might have stuck around longer.

 

Keep in mind that loads of people do not celebrate Christmas Day in London; there's a tradition of keeping some things open for non-Christians, for example. But I get what you are saying about a Christmas-themed location.

 

I think we'd need to figure the time of night so as to rule-out very late night and very early morn on days before or after Christmas Day as the reason for low pedestrian traffic in that location.

 

Still, could be early Christmas morn before sunup.

 

If it was a daytime shot, the emptiness would prolly increase the odds it was on Christmas Day, I think. Night just leaves room for some ambiguity, which could be overcome with more evidence.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 1:26 p.m. No.13768204   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8215 >>8222 >>8691

>>13768106

 

Right on.

 

That list of weather and dates does make Christmas Day moar and moar the candidate for the EMB pics and, by extension, the CH pics, too.

 

The ground mats in the WW pic of the lower torso/legs showed dry cover, not wet nor puddled. And that bright object in the night sky kinda suggests mostly clear skies at least in that direction.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 1:29 p.m. No.13768215   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8299 >>1783 >>7148 >>2980

>>13768204

 

And the RED BUS pic was clear weather as per the bright reflections on the shiny bus panels. Have not noticed umbrellas in the crowds in the PICCADILLY CIRCUS pics. Can't be certain, but the deflated snowglobe might have caused people to move differently if that was being cleaned up or dismantled during those pics. So thinking shortly after Christmas week. The globe thingy was setup to deter vandals from messing around with the statue.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 6:59 p.m. No.13771122   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1496 >>1640 >>1783 >>6996 >>2980

>>13769665, >>13769930

 

Here is are all the EMB/CH pics lined up according to the night sky captured within the camera frames.

 

CH1 is positioned on the right edge for no other reason than it is the only daytime view.

 

I have adjusted each image to affect a similar lightness in the sky so as to enhance the view of the cloud cover, if any, in each image. CH1 was darkened a touch to enhance view of the various tones and subtle shades in the daylight sky.

 

Not going so far as to 'paint' a different picture of what is in the original, but to bring out contrasts that may be hidden in the shadows and overly darkened portions of the pics that are that way due to the camera's general focus on the traffic lanes - esp with the trafcam.

 

It is almost a uniform adjustment in the night skies and that can be tweaked further on request. Please be specific. A gud idea might be to compare with the original pics and see if you can spot the same distinctions as can be discerned with these adjustments.

 

What has jumped out at me is that ROT3 sky has more in common with the CH night pics than with the rest of the EMB pics.

 

What do you see, Anons?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 27, 2021, 8:36 p.m. No.13771945   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1982 >>2278 >>7643 >>2980

Funny how looking for one aspect can lead to possibly finding something quite different altogether.

 

Here I rearranged London and ROT1 to show sequence based on the pedestrians crossing, rather than trying to piece together the night sky. So in approx order of habbening, at least for London plus ROTs.

 

Check out the red circled vehicle. Is it the same across the pics?

 

Then note that the HZH LIGHTS are lit up across the top balcony in ROT3 but off in CH2.

 

Next, the pattern of lights immediately above the ground floor 'Corinthia Hotel' sign appears the same across the CH pics; and in the CH1 PIC he central lower window is open. Seems that the lights behind the drawn curtains were on across the night pics as well as the day pic.

 

Just observations and a bit of 'magic eye'; could be something; could be nothing.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 28, 2021, 5:51 a.m. No.13773624   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3886 >>2980

13 JUL 2013, view of CH for reference purposes. Provides view from a different vantage point, street level, moar of the Playhouse side of the street, day time, during SPAMALOT. https://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-image-busy-london-intersection-england-july-whitehall-gardens-people-traffic-motion-blur-image33356736

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 28, 2021, 6:07 a.m. No.13773767   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13771785, >>13773474

 

Yes on 22 DEC WW was open. May have closed early due to possible daylight preparations for storm.

 

If I recall rightly, there was something about peole showing up the next day, anyway, kek, to get into the theme park. So perhaps the weather had turned but the call had been made already to close that day, 23 DEC 2013.

 

Good details to pursue so as to refine the elimination for WW.

 

Noticed in the damaged snowglobe vid that the police showed up to tie a yellow tape barrier around the display there. Not sure that this tape would have been inside the camera frame for the Piccadilly pics, but the crowd in those pics does not seem to be detering around that area but I could be mistaken.

 

The weather does look a little overcast in the Circus pics. But that sort of thing can be a passing cloud or brief period during a sunny day, too.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 28, 2021, 6:36 a.m. No.13773886   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4897 >>1147 >>2980

>>13773624

 

Another CH ref for comparisons.

 

May 1, 2016: Long exposure at night of a street with illuminated buildings and car trail lights viewed from above at springtime.

https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detail/photo/long-exposure-at-night-of-a-street-with-illuminated-royalty-free-image/537895418?adppopup=true

 

What is that blue light in the central window?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 28, 2021, 12:13 p.m. No.13776473   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>1404

>>13774897

>https://operationdisclosureofficial.com/2021/05/22/reader-e-gobsmacked-in-canada/

 

Can just make out a few of the lights on an upper floor in NZH. Doesn't look like top floor. So could see through tree canopy during early MAY 2016. Leaves possibility could be done in 2013/2014 so this feature would then be a fairly soft marker for winter. That leaves the on/off timing of those lights in ROT3 and CH2. Diff time of day โ€ฆ or back to the Christmas timing.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 28, 2021, 12:30 p.m. No.13776590   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>6628

>>13767804

 

Along those lines, pretty much every year some publication does a 'ghost town' photo essay on areas of London that are the busiest in London during most other times of the year.

 

Example 1

 

Deserted London turns into a 'ghost town' from a movie scene over Christmas

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-12-27/deserted-london-turns-into-a-ghost-town-from-a-movie-scene-for-christmas

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 28, 2021, 12:34 p.m. No.13776628   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>6722

>>13776590

 

Tue 24 Dec 2013 22.24 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/24/storms-britain-dead-christmas-travel-chaos

 

PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sun, Dec 22, 2013

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/449815/Snow-warning-Winter-2013-will-see-a-White-Christmas-across-UK-says-shock-weather-forecast

 

24 December 2013

https://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-12-24/christmas-2013-celebrations-in-britain/

 

Wed 25 Dec 2013 13.20 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2013/dec/25/christmas-day-east-london-2013

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 28, 2021, 12:46 p.m. No.13776722   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13776628

 

snippets

 

Flights were badly affected on Monday night, with a number diverted to alternative airports due to the storm. Passengers recounted storm-tossed descents into airports including Gatwick, Heathrow and Bristol, with some planes diverted at the last moment. One passenger on a flight from Stockholm to Heathrow told the BBC "everyone thought they were going to die", with the plane being "thrown about like a toy".

 

โ€”

 

BRITAIN is on course for its first proper White Christmas in DECADES with forecasters now predicting widespread snow across the country on Christmas morning.

 

โ€”

 

The festive predictions prompted bookmakers to slash the odds of snow falling next Wednesday.

 

Bookmakers Ladbrokes last night slashed back odds of snow falling in London on Christmas Day from 12/1 to 8/1.

 

โ€”

 

Britain faces a stormy run up to the festive season with more gales and heavy rain on the way.

 

โ€”

 

There has only been a widespread covering of snow on the ground four times in the last 51 years - but that could all finally change in winter 2013, with a traditional Yuletide scene a real possibilty as families wake up on Christmas morning.

 

โ€”

 

Much of Britain has been beset buy wind and rain over the past week sparking travel mayhem, flooding and structural damage.

 

โ€”

 

โ€œHowever there is more very stormy weather due on Monday with strong winds and rain likely to cause disruption.

 

โ€œThis looks likely tor return on Boxing Day as another Atlantic low pressure comes in.

 

โ€œSo it is a very mixed bag, with the good news of a distinct possibility of a White Christmas.โ€

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 28, 2021, 1:41 p.m. No.13777171   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13776996

These weather issues could explain lights out for TATT. IDK, but hard to imagine much trade during windy weather. In which case, a manager would prolly have discretion to close up early on such low traffic nights.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 28, 2021, 3:21 p.m. No.13778021   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>8029 >>3002 >>0446 >>8546

>>13777148

 

Another example from DEC 2013. Original recording posted 10 DEC so recorded before Christmas week.

 

Watch for LG G3 Billboard ad, no shack at RIPLEY'S, Cool Britannia, and the 'net' of bright decorative lights strung across Coventry at approx where the RED BUS pic was taken.

 

Those lights were not reflected in the sny panels of the doubledecker. RED BUS was a day light pic, but those decorations were almost directly overhead; and going by how the windows reflected the bus/street and the bus reflected the windows/buildings, would expect some of those decorations to have been reflected - if those overhead items were present at the time of the pic.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 7:57 a.m. No.13783216   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3376 >>3534

>>13782073

Noice focus, looks good.

 

>25DEC2013- Weather quite gud- KEEP

 

Yes, for weather. Not open for customers that day. AND the 24th is interdasting.

 

It is amazing that the park does get raid, real downpours, but people still stay and go on rides. The show stopper was the wind. Now, can imagine how a bit of rain followed by a modest breeze would actually help dry up well on those ground mats they started using that season.

 

Anon, on those days, how soon do you think the sky would got pitch dark like in the Wilde Maus coaster pic? 8pm or maybe earlier?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 9:18 a.m. No.13783741   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>4040 >>3006 >>0452

>>13781404

 

Give the camera positions, yes, reasonably certain that there was a change in the lights at the top of NZH.

 

CH2 closer to ground than ROT3.

CH2 more to right than CH1.

 

Looks like there was enough of an open view to capture at least some of that row of lights up there even if partially obscured by some of the tree canopy.

 

Might look for examples of all lights out on that floor of NZH tower. Or that side of it. Could be common. Could be fairly common for it to be ony partially lit at certain times of night or year. Haven't dug deeply yet.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 8:40 p.m. No.13788891   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0395 >>3002 >>0446 >>8546

>>13781376, >>13780927, >>13768339, >>13768299, >>13768321, >>13782073, >>13783809

 

CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AT PICCADILLY CIRCUS / COVENTRY STREET, DEC 2013.

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ijlBuhRelNOt/

 

Look for the following details in this night time scene from DEC 2013: LG G3 ad on the bright billboard; no shack at RIPLEY's and at the stairs to UG; COOL BRITANNIA shopfront; sheets of bright white lights strung over Coventry Street at or near the corner of the RED BUS pic.

 

The original vid posted 10 DEC 2013 so recorded two weeks or more before Christmas Day.

 

The 'giant snow globe' was already in place at time of this recording. It was installed 18 NOV 2013 and was scheduled to remain until 4 JAN 2014. it was torn and deflated in strong winds.

 

In the original video a portin of the snow globe appeared momentarily when camera entered Piccadilly Circus.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17pDy-8LBtI

https://youtu.be/foE8lCvpnzA

https://youtu.be/foE8lCvpnzA

 

https://advancedtextilessource.com/2013/12/20/londons-giant-snow-globe/

https://standoutmagazine.co.uk/piccadilly-circus-eros-statue-transformed-into-giant-snow-globe/

https://www.architen.com/projects/eros-snow-globe-piccadilly-circus-london/

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/03/eros-worlds-biggest-snow-globe-london-christmas

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 9:11 p.m. No.13789094   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9130 >>9355

>>13780927

 

PICCADILLY CIRUCS

Fsurv_london_ps2 - 1406-1407

 

Anons, compared to other images found open source and such, the crowd in Q's Piccadilly Circus pics look more bundled-up against cold weather.

 

Please examine the bits and pieces and make observations about what is depicted in terms of the following.

 

  1. Crowd dynamics, movement, attention.

  2. Weather on ground and in sky, both directly observed and deduced.

  3. Comparison with what we know to be in evidence on the edges, or just beyond, the camera frame. Think immediate physical landscape and context.

 

Plus other observs.

Enter into the scene via other vids and pics posted upbread and in prev breads. Walk around inside the camera frame. Hover above the scene. Zoom into the details and out again.

 

WWG1WGA

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 9:25 p.m. No.13789194   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9207

>>13789130

>>13781376

 

What is habbening in that bit of the pic?

Does body language tell the story?

There is no crossing at the point of the kerb. Where or on what is attention of those individuals? Why might they position themselves at the point of the kerb, anyway?

 

Time of day?

 

There is moar to this pic but what does this bit tell us on its own?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 9:34 p.m. No.13789252   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13789130

 

Enlarged bit, toward the underground entrance.

Busy or light traffic coming up/down stairs?

Busy or light around toward the ner side of the underground fencing?

Compared to normal traffic re tube at this location.

 

Public transit habbenings?

Compare with traffic on the street in pic.

 

2013 or 2014?

DEC or JAN?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 9:49 p.m. No.13789355   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9717 >>7724

>>13789094, >>13789139

 

3x enlarged bit from across width of the camera frame, centre field.

 

Describe vehicular traffic within the pic.

Context at edges and immediately beyond edges.

 

Follow the direction of the pedestrian movement, from A to B. Basic pattern kinetic or static?

 

Height of individuals. Stride. Deduce pace and destination/route pursued.

 

Chilly or comfy. When does a walker stand still when going somewhere?

 

Crowded? What would draw a crowd?

What can draw London traffic to a standstill?

What can not?

 

What can bring a crowd to its feet?

If you stand still in Piccadilly Circus long enough, you are bound to see someone you know.

How changeable is London weather at this time of the year in pic? Predictable or bundle up expecting warmer weather? Arrive prepared or grin and bear it?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 10:02 p.m. No.13789443   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9470 >>7724

>>13789139

 

PICCADILLY CIRCUS

Fsurv_london_ps - 1406-1407

 

Picture in Picture.

 

Please examine the bits and pieces and make observations about what is depicted in terms of the following.

 

  1. Crowd dynamics, movement, attention.

 

ATTENTION. Whose turn?

 

  1. Weather on ground and in sky, both directly observed and deduced.

 

CH1.

WW.

 

  1. Comparison with what we know to be in evidence on the edges, or just beyond, the camera frame. Think immediate physical landscape and context.

 

Plus other observs.

 

WWG1WGA

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 10:40 p.m. No.13789648   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13784040

 

Moar tree branches to look through and still enough open area to view some of the lights, if they were still on, from the open balcony at top of the NZH tower.

 

Compare the pair of lamp posts circled. One looks higher than the other in CH2. Look for the small lit area pointed at with yellow line; compare against far corner of building on left which is distant; compare with tree trunk area on the right, circled. Refer back to lamp posts for change in perspective. Can see moar of the space between buildings, down length of the street, in CH2 than in CH1; look for the top of the canopy in ROT3 and CH1.

 

No doubt that the lower perspective changes the view of the top of canopy/tower. Bright lights across top of tower not visible in CH2 but in ROT3 and CH1 that area of tower is visible despite tree branches.

 

Have you dug night pics of the NZH top floor?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 10:44 p.m. No.13789671   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>9853

>>13789470

 

What are the odds that in MAR 2013 and in DEC 2013 the same pattern in vehicuar traffic and in UG traffice at entrances would repeat in both captures? What would increase the odds?

 

Lights on, lights off.

Compre the vid of high res pic, from high vantage point, with Q pics.

 

What can thin/stop traffic in London?

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 29, 2021, 10:53 p.m. No.13789717   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun

>>13789355

 

Pant cuffs. Trouser type.

 

Beneath the missing halo of a street lamp

I turned my collar to the cold and damp

When my eyes weren't stabbed by the flash of a neon light

That'd split the night

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usN-pKfw6Q8

 

Collared

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 30, 2021, 12:33 a.m. No.13790099   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3006 >>0452

VIEW of the playing field or sand map from the vantage point of the open balcony of the New Zealand House tower.

 

This vid shows how much can be seen from one pivot; easy to view 360 degrees with a small change in position up there.

 

Play at half speed to get feel for how advantageous it would be for anons to dig from that vantage point, kek.

 

'Filmed at the reception for the opening day of Doug Richard's School For Creative Startups.' posted SEP 2011

https://youtu.be/J5vOMsmHc_g

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 30, 2021, 1:56 a.m. No.13790372   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2980

POSTED 4 MAY 2014

https://www.wallpaperup.com/349171/United_Kingdom_Rivers_Bridges_Houses_Sky_London_Big_Ben_Cities.html

 

NORTH and SOUTHEAST shroud positions in high res. The posted date may not be very useful for our purposes. The view is quite detailed.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 30, 2021, 2:07 a.m. No.13790395   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3002 >>0446 >>8546

>>13788891

>The 'giant snow globe' was already in place at time of this recording. It was installed 18 NOV 2013 and was scheduled to remain until 4 JAN 2014. But it was damaged in strong winds. In the original video it appeared momentarily when camera entered Piccadilly Circus.

 

Time interval for fthe giant show globe in Piccadlly Circus.

 

INSTALLATION = 18 NOV 2013

DAMAGED IN STRONG WINDS = 23 DEC 2013

SCHEDULED DISMANTLING = 4 JAN 2014

 

18 NOV 2013 to 4 JAN 2014

 

Interdasting coincidence.

WW = Timeframe

>>13742111

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 30, 2021, 3:30 a.m. No.13790613   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>2980

Pink/ Purple building in Thames Skyline

25 SEP 2014

 

Westminster abbey and big ben in London skyline at night

https://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt=2BDYXE7&imgt=0

Date taken: 25 September 2014

 

Pretty clearly we nailed that building which showed up in the Photo24 London 2014 photo that was mis-dated re the photo contest, aka LONDON24. It was present on the night view from sometime in 2011 right up to this pic which was taken SEP 2014.

 

1min mark - misdated by few months

https://vimeo.com/98942743

 

https://www.e-architect.com/london/riverbank-park-plaza

https://www.e-architect.com/images/jpgs/london/riverbank_park_plaza_extnite_huftoncrow.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtbnlmOVa9Q&t=334s

https://youtu.be/hrFKmrkOSc4?t=141

https://lesliecikra.com/london-calling/

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 30, 2021, 4:11 a.m. No.13790709   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0806 >>5962

>>13785403

 

Fren, can you mark THE EYE's movement across these very similar images or does it appear to have remained unmoved?

 

Any other suspected marker of time passage?

 

Could test such markers with pics/vids of other seasons/years because the mechanism on The Eye is prolly unchanged since installation. SURROUNDINGS have changed, obv, but if we can detect lack of change in any part of the surroundings that would ordinarily change, then, that too is a marker of time passed in 'stillness'.

 

Perhaps watch the water.

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 30, 2021, 4:46 a.m. No.13790806   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>0824 >>8071 >>8722

>>13790709

 

Possible point of comparison in close proximity to Christmas Day/ Week, might be the big splash on NYE THAT YEAR.

 

BBC high res vid available. Lots of pics available.

 

Christmas EVE to NYE = 7 days/nights.

Lunar comparison well developed re waning moon.

Tidal comparison โ€ฆ IDK.

Shroud/S comparison over those 7 days, IDK.

MILLBANK TOWER LIGHTS โ€ฆ would narrow this interval.

Movement of Cranes, likewise.

Loads of things are re-arranged during that week.

 

Timeframe.

Not timeline.

 

The one and only use of 'Timeframe' = Q 1456

https://qanon.pub/index2.html#1456

 

When deployed, capitalized.

 

Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: e623e7 No.1700867๐Ÿ“

Jun 11 2018 12:47:23 (EST)

Anonymous ID: 5c1418 No.1700690๐Ÿ“

Jun 11 2018 12:33:29 (EST)

strzo 2015.PNG

 

POTUS already told us. Dec 2015.

 

CLAS_WW_UK_ACTIVE_T.png

Good.

Tweet meant to provide time guide.

What event occurs in Dec (London)?

Think Hyde Park.

Think prev pic [2] people.

Provides Timeframe.

Q

 

Provides Timeframe = PT

Who or what is PT?

PT = PREZ T

 

See twattle

https://qanon.pub/data/media/4c393499c76907180240b6a03ca457c5b8eed561c2aad7cb47b25594ced3dfe6.png

 

'way back to DECEMBER 2015'

'SPYGATE is in full force.'

 

In other Q posts a diff term is used, Timeline.

 

EX 1.

 

Q 1925

https://qanon.pub/index2.html#1925

Timelines change.

Watch the budget.

Q

 

EX 2.

 

Q 2776

https://qanon.pub/index2.html#2776

 

Barr to Mueller:

โ€œWas the Steele report a โ€˜trusted and verifiedโ€™ report per Intel to continue especially considering the funding party was the opposition party?โ€

Mueller to Barr:

โ€œThose facts were never taken into consideration.โ€ โ€œFISC granted auth to conduct based on conclusions presented.โ€

Barr to Mueller:

โ€œWas FISC made aware of all details surrounding the dossier?โ€

Mueller to Barr:

โ€œNo.โ€ โ€œWe believe there was urgency placed on the auth given the gravity and timeline of events that those involved negated to populate fully.โ€

 

EX 3.

 

Q 2802

https://qanon.pub/index2.html#2802

 

Timeline attached.

What has since occurred?

Future proves past (track & update).

Think calendar.

Q

 

EX 4.

 

Q 3763

https://qanon.pub/index2.html#3763

 

page1-926px-Gina_C.Haspel-_CIA_Career_Timeline,_1_May_2018.jpg

Geo location 2015-2017?

Q

 

EX 5.

 

Q 836

https://qanon.pub/index2.html#836

 

Q !UW.yye1fxo ID: 4bebe1 No.545335๐Ÿ“

Mar 4 2018 00:48:04 (EST)

Expand your thinking.

Who leaked Vault7 to WL?

Who returned fire?

OP Name: Fiddler

@Snowden

Mission 1: Infiltrate

Mission 2: Centralize

Mission 3: Secure

Mission 4: Expose to HARM

(Date)

(WH interference)

(WH directive)

Mission 5: Russia LINK

(2013 timeline of events)

(1/17/14)

Think.

Learn.

Mission 6: Fiddler Ghost-PRIME

Mission 7: CLAS

Mission 8: Whistle Blower traps - jobs C-3567k

Mission 9: Censorship

CLAS +relay

Q

 

For emphasis.

Mission 5: Russia LINK

(2013 timeline of events)

(1/17/14)

Anonymous ID: 982b86 May 30, 2021, 6:16 a.m. No.13791151   ๐Ÿ—„๏ธ.is ๐Ÿ”—kun   >>3002 >>0446 >>8546

>>13791030

 

Shows the area in the aftermath of wet weather, during overcast skies, in three clips from 8:00am, 12:00 noon, 2:00pm & 6:30pm on 19th January 2013.

 

So a year before the winter of 2013/2014. Note the overhead decorations still hanging about 3 weeks after Christmas Day. The bus stop sign was not a Q match then, but was changed later in the autumn/winter 2013. Note the street and sidewalk area shown in vid and which would be in the background of the RED BUS pic. That bus'es very shiny red panels did not show reflections of an overhead set of decorations such as what appears in this vid from 19 JAN 2013.

 

Right, now here is another vid, from 2015, which shows the view from an open top tour bus, The Original Tour, as it completes its route through central London and returns to the bus stand on COVENTRY STREET. Note that the area that is the background of the RED BUS pic was, by this time, changed by the construction work, including a large white shroud, on the building kitty-corner to the RED BUS bus stand. In the background are other bus stands used by The Original Tour.

 

This vid shows the reflections of the building from which the RED BUS pic had been taken; the camera was at street level and could have been one of the two security cameras at the entrance to the Casino next door to the KFC. Or taken by a mobile camera/phone or such.

 

The short snippet shows the end of the route from Piccadilly Circus to the bus stand. By this time there was a ticket shack by the UG Entrance; that area was empty in Q's Piccadilly Circus pics.

 

https://youtu.be/kimhVcvI7gM

 

And, this vid has some sound.