>>13833718 ALL QR GEN #17512
>>13833744
>>13833777
Q 364
https://qagg.news/?q=%23%23364
[10] Wardour Street = W Hotel
W Hotels in China
https://w-hotels.marriott.com/destinations/
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Looks like Montreal, Quebec. Could be wrong.
Yeh, little hint of Christmas season in the Piccadilly Circus pics. But the lack of vehicles is distinctive, if not for that day but for even that moment. The roadways that criss-cross the view of that location during daylight is usually full of busses coming and going. Schools let out during busy time of day/week at that spot.
Time of day is a marker, took, and your observations are great start.
>bus stop sign that was changed
Could have been changed before construction start, but I think DEC 2013 is a reasonable narrowing of the time interval. Needs direct evidence, if we can find that.
What is more important, I think, is finding an RML with no ads on its board-side panels. An RML has that extra squarish set of windows on both decks near the middle of its length. The livery of the RED BUS pic is yellow and red, not white and red, so keep an eye out for that.
Thinking that by that time there may have been a Private Hire fleet on the streets that might stop at that bus stand, which is not a TfL stop on a regular city route for general public transit. In some cases, at that time around 2013/2014, there could have been portions of a private fleet brought back to serve TfL routes, but this is not on such a route.
To triangulate would need a shiny RML that picked up or dropped off at a bus stand at Coventry/Whitcomb during the daylight in the winter of 2013/2014 prior to 23 MAR 2014 but after 31 OCT 2013.
>>13810746 PB
>>13810855 PB
PICADILLY PIC
LG billboard showed LG GS advert in Q pic. That model of phone was released in UK in OCT 2013. Its successor phone, LG G3 was released around JUL 2014.
In vids of that time, the LG G2 advert appeared with an advert showing the device had won the GAGET AWARD; that win was announced 4 DEC 2013 and so the ad appeared on or after that date.
The question then is, did the LG G2 advert first appear before the award? Guessing yes, as the release was in OCT 2013. Next question follows that train of thought; is there any reason to pin the LG billboard advert for G2 on any date prior to 4 DEC 2013? Do we have evidence inside the camera frame or outside that would lead to eliminating OCT/NOV 2013?
Another thought - the Piccadilly Circus pics and the RED BUS pic were dropped by Q in a series. Other than that commonality, is there any indication that the two scenes were closely connected in chronology and/or in sequence?
>livery of the RED BUS pic is yellow and red, not white and red
Each Routemaster has an ID number on front plate at least. IF this particular bus had been in use in the vicintiy, and had been refurgished with new shiny panels, it might have been previously adorned with advert boards and a different livery. These are aluminum bodies and panels. So a refurbishment would be followed by new painting at which time, if that happened to that particular bus, the lviery could be altered.
So, for now, if you look, look for RML and if you can manage get a view of its ID number. Then could search databases for that particular bus and its history.
I think that bus stand can be used by all manner of vehicles, especially buses, however, the stand was primarily for the tour bus operator. The RED BUS stand was for picking up passengers; the two other stands were for dropping off passengers at end of the route. Often in vids around that time you will see multiple open top buses on the same route or criss-crossing different routes. This particular bus stop was the terminus of a particular route that included the Embankment. These tours allow passengers to hop on and then to hop off at different places, return to the stop or pickup on the route at another stop and hop back on.
Thinking that the shiny red double decker was unsuitable for tours like that; its top is not cut off. But it is a genuine London icon and so is its own attraction.
Wondering if we are meant to spot passengers, or people who seem to be moving toward the rearend passenger alighting platform, and spot them in other pics.
The only individual I think can be in more than one pic, is the man with dark jacket, tan-coloured trousers, and red cap. He is in RED BUS pic as well as the WW pics plus at least one CH pic. Well, at least the same red cap and black jacket, if not the same individual, whomever that would be.
There are annual old bus festivals and such where people who have restored RMLs and the like congregate. But that's summerish.
Have seen RMLs on EMBANKMENT in vids around 2013/2014. Couple might match, but these had white stripes in their livery. Think we've got pictorial evidence of such double deckers standing at the Corinthia Hotel, too.
To bring that back to hard evidence to help narrow the interval through elimination, perhaps we need digz on private hires on Coventry Street, or at least in Piccadilly Circus. Would make sense that a route go through the circus and then stop nearby for people to get off to visit the circus.
Kek, see what I did there. Clowns.
>change in the sign's rules which a pending construction disruption might necessitate?
Yup. The planning doc discussed taxi ranks, for example. There is one between the RED BUS stop and Piccadilly Circus, which you can spot in the vids of Coventry Street, near TGIF and the steakhouse area, but on other side of street. There was talk of converting that into a bus stand; so they did, the sign changed, and the idea was temporarily tried. Don't know why that seemed to be abandoned later.
On Whitcomb, beside the building that would be gutted, the planning necessitated repurposes the sidewalk and the kerbsie bus stands, there were two, for scaffolding and for moving construction gear and materials. Trailers were setup on the Lecester Square side of the building. So in the background of RED BUS pic there's these two stands that would be covered with scaffold and shrouded.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5100852,-0.1312665,3a,75y,64.39h,99.26t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNgqIs5oPwAnIZYu1XX1KEg!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i13312!8i6656
That meant the bus route had to find alternative places to park the tour buses. They found space on side streets and the signs there were also changed to reflect that.
Ruperts Street
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5106773,-0.1324081,3a,52.7y,197.99h,93.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slT7996dytbWky2h6qy0CAQ!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Oxedon was also suggested and prolly used but not heavent spotted sign changes yet. Thinking that they also had to find a new place for the motorcycle parking and Oxedon would have been good candidate. IDK
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5097598,-0.1318053,3a,79.9y,303.72h,99.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZJapMoA9oP0It-iPnzDHWQ!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Also there is an alley that connects with Whitcomb.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5100017,-0.1314752,3a,65.4y,74.24h,85.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNmCTUaCaFQFFjhLUXcm7WA!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i13312!8i6656
In addition, the tour company could have traded off the two stands for additional space near Hyde Park Corner, also a prime location for their various tour routes.
As can be seen in vids from around the time, plus 2015, the open top tours continued to use the RED BUS stop but it doubled for both hopping on and hopping off at the start/end of a particular route. This stand is where driver and tour guide might take breakes or switch at end of shifts and the like.
As always, traffic gets pretty chaotic with all the different kinds of vehicles and Coventry Street is a good example of that. Mix in the passengers with a few one-way streets and makes for some complicated use for those many uses.
There is a chance that a private hire outfit would make a call to the tour company and gain permission to use the stand with a bit of notice and scheduling. The advantage of a private hire is that you do not have to go on a big tour when the group just wants to hit a few common destinations, like, say, Piccadilly Circus, China Town, Hyde Park, and Embankment. And there might be a little more looseness in waiting for passengers to come and go at different meet-up locations. On the other hand, if you miss your ride home from, say Winter Wonderland, you might have to find an alternative means of transport late at night.
Heck, can imagine a group hiring a bright lovely double decker just to go to Piccadilly and then to Winter Wonderland, and then a 'stoaway' asking for a lift to but not from. Esp if the hire was waiting at the posh Corinthea Hotel.
Here is the view from the doorway of the 'cafe de paris' right at the bus stand, next door to KFC.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.510449,-0.1317977,3a,16.2y,169.1h,108.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipMp9qwO0C3i9KxePy5vVr-qt5K3mGPLlpa5lxey!2e10!3e11!7i13312!8i6656
Cafe de Paris. Another french connexion.
Note position of security cameras and type. Also note that at window of KFC is a seating area that is comprised of stools/ table facing outward from window pane.
Guessing that the prime position from which to have taken the RED BUS pic was that window pane. Not certain it was THE spot but seems best candidate.
That is an excellent marker, fren. Maybe there is a bit of a shadow forming that shape. If it is all fixings, then, find a pic with date that includes it coz it does not appear in other SV images.
A possible differentiator, that might help determine time of day or possibly weather conditions in RED BUS pic, is the awnings at KFC. The close-up pic here, without awning, that was posted SEP 2017 but maybe taken few years earlier, not sure. Compare with the SV MAY 2014 image of the shopfront from other side of street - with awnings open.
Compare both with reflection in the double decker's side panels in RED BUS pic. Awnings or no awnings?
Reference for time of day / weather. This pic shows early morning, given the relative quiet on the street. This is SV MAY 2014 image so, if we adjusted for time of year, and looked for time of day that might roughly match the position of sun and the highly reflections on the eastern side of Coventry, might have some idea of time of day of the RED BUS pic … ???
There is at least one shadow in RED BUS, under the child who is striding forward. Sun more or less directly overhead and to the right, north, of that position.
The reflection in the bus windows is very sharp. Polarized filter might achieve something tuned but if, as I think, the camera was on the other side of the pane of glass in KFC shopfront, then, would be neat effect. So there's no indication of glare from interior behind the camera which might be due to a sort of back cover, like a body, or open book, or some such dark enough to block such plays of light.
Put aside the pane of glass, for now, if this was taken outside, note there is not much distortion as with a fish eye so not a fisheyed security cam, right? Check the verticals in objects - not the reflection, but the objects. No distortions that I can spot.
Instinct telling me this was taken from a doorway with sun to the right of camera, a bit over the shoulder of camera. Note the 'bleaching' of whitish parts of the image to left and in background.
See pic, this is adjusted to simulate lower exposure and it suggests the day was quite a bit darker than depicted in the more washed RED BUS pic. Looking a little more stormy, maybe. Just a simulation.
Observations, anons. Note the still washed out upper reaches of the building that would undergo shrouding. Reflections in those windows. Where is the sun in the sky … ???
Almonds stimulated. Contrary to first impression noted in prev post, is sun casting shadow onto the side of street from which camera has taken this pic? IDK. Maybe dark sky but sun broke thru the clouds to bathe the COMM building's upper floor/roof. The angle produced those reflections in the windows up there.
More exposure just to see what pops out.
Why no reflection on the panels of the bus toward the rear?
Comparing different simulations, might the RED BUS pic, as dropped, have been adjusted to allow enough contrst to see inside the upper deck? To draw attention?
Not sure of these comparisons help with dating the pic, but almonds stimulated, yes.
Alright, to state the obvious, looking like the calm before the storm that happened DEC 2013. Might indicate the bracketing of that storm and of Christmas Day.
Note the long-haired ladies; not a windy day at time of pic. Calm.
Reference time of day/year.
18 OCT 2018 looking down Coventry toward Whitcomb. Slight cast onto the eastern side of street, upper windows, mostly blue sky with some cumulous clouds.
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GOODBYE PICCADILLY
https://youtu.be/-su9tq_-OJQ
Fren, as a simple exercise that might help confirm what we are seeing, please attempt to indicate on the following image the position of any reference points that you can line-up with the RED BUS pic.
13 January 2015
Building New Coventry Street London Leicester Square
https://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt=EE6D9H&imgt=0
Image ID: EE6D9H
Click on the image for the details.
https://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt=F5DT4W&imgt=0
17 September 2015
Pedestrians walking through Leicester Square.
Looking toward Whitcomb/Coventry Streets.
Grosvenor Casino Piccadilly
3 - 4 Coventry Street London W1D 6BL
https://www.yelp.com/biz/grosvenor-casino-piccadilly-london
https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/grosvenor-casino-piccadilly-london
^^^
Lovely contribution by a one of a kind.
Infuses meaning, again, into WWG1WGA.
Tanks, Bakes.
When does a map become useful.
By now, UK anons can spot and identify the various landmarks and pic scenes on the different kinds of maps available of London. When you visualize proximity in terms of travel time, on foot, on bike, on bus, on motorobike, on car/truck/lorry, the element of passage of time and space becomes powerfully linked to the time intervals.
Pictures tend to be static in the most obvious ways. However, look for movement in each of the London Pics. Go through them. Movement might be implied by objects within the frame; it might be deduced from changes in the markers; and it might even be suggested by positions and postures of individuals in passage. Time lapse, in your mind, the sequential movements that you discover.
Nothing is without potential meaning in our digz. So throw your observs and notions ont he whiteboard. Time travel.
MAP, streets, landmarks.
Project yourself into the pic scenes.
Movement of time. Passage through space. Intervals.
We are approaching the significance of these intervals cross-referenced with public statements and documented whereabouts. Think how we go about dating these pics. Now think how that might apply to dating movements from other sources; think of the high value targets and potential contradictions.
Example. What did LP, precisely, in sorn testimony vs others who have made careful statements about whereabouts.
Was LP in London during her tenure with FBI. Howzabout while with other fed govt agencies. Privately. Lies of omission serve purposes yet to be substantially acknowledged.
When you are asked to recall something from your past, you time travel to provide firsthand account. But what if your recall is distorted by a glitch in time-space. What if that glitch was a blank in your official recall.
If you travel on business, do you claim expenses. What sort of expenses provide NOT BEFORE and NOT AFTER bookends, frens.
The map in your mind may not be the may in your recall and neither might represent the useful map of your true movements/attentions. Think like a tourist with so much to see; process of elimination; confirmation of time available plus time to get there and to go there and to be there.
Enter into the pic scenes. Then pull out and ask what means would have dropped you near the scenes into which you'd enter. Are you there as clearly in recall as in the live stream recorded. Gaslighting is not always a by-product of efforts made; can be collateral but also peripheral.
Remember the joke about the drunk on his hands and knees under a lamp post. Why are you down there, he was asked. Because I am looking for my car keys. Where did you park your car. Three blocks over there. Where did you visit. The pub on the other side of the road. Then why are you not looking there and on that route. Because the light is better under this lamp post.
Darkness to light, frens, multiple meanings.
see >>13820452 PB
Vid shows portion of RED BUS scene. Taken from entrance to the W Hotel. Posted 14 MAR 2014. So taken before that date. Taken before the 23 MAR 2014 dropping of the shroud. Before the erection of scaffolding on Whitcomb where the two other bus stands had been in use previously.
Element in the background match SV MAY 2012. Can you spot diffs in SV MAY 2014 ... IDK. Scaffolding, yes, but across the street near corner adjacent to the entrance to the Thistle Hotel, maybe moar. Just out of camera view is entrance to theatre; alley way toward motorbike parking; and in backstreet, half block away from RED BUS, a docking state for bike hires.
In vid at >>13820452 look for a double decker Routemaster on Haymarket. Is it an RML - with that extra squarish window on each deck as per the RED BUS pic ... IDK. Look for the tanks snippet.
Double decker bus is shown as imagined in the bus stand at kerbside; the camera position is roughly plotted; and the location of two individual are represented with headless stickmen - headless because not yet identified. Yellow lines mark location of the bus stop sign and the traffic light on opposite side of street.
These diagrams are based on SV MAY 2012. So the overhead banners were not in RED BUS nor the Blue Box - police utility I think - at the bus stop sign. But other features are carried over from SV to RED BUS. SV MAY 2012 just provides a fairly blank foundation on which to draw the figures and such.
This one sketches the view from behind the bus, vantage point on other side of the street, taking in the camera position - blue line shows approx centerline of camera frame - as well as the position of both stick figures relative to the sign post and the traffic light post.
>>13873427, >>13874233, >>13874109
So looks like the woman is paused at the kerb in front of the RED BUS and near the bus stop sign. Almost seems to be standing on the kerb itself.
Perhaps getting tickets from a ticket agent right there.
Meanwhile, in the background, the Red Cap Roger is striding as if to catch-up. Looks like hands in pockets of black coat. Shoes/boots do not appear to be as high up his shins as they are in WW pics. Is walking toward the crossing over Coventry Street.
So what is behind him, in the background, perhaps even out of camera frame.
Thistle Hotel entrance. Also a Stage Door. And an alleyway from/to Oxendon Street on other side of the city block. Note the taxi stand loation in front of the Thistle entrance. Now, around the corner is the ODEON theatre and a boris bike hire docking station. And a bit farther down Whitcomb is a Q parking garage entrance. Couple of small pubs are located on the other end of the alley on Oxendon Street.
So could be that the place the targets stayed was THISTLE HOTEL. Could be where they had a bit to eat. Maybe they arrived via bike rentals. Or just walked that way from TRAFALGAR SQUARE. That the man resembles the man in WW, and that the woman represents the woman in WW, may be a coinkindiy, however, assuming they are together, then, whence the man comes is a clue in terms of passage in time and space.
She is standing on her heels, cooling her heal as it were, so maybe she awaited him at a rendeavous point. There are others in the RED BUS pic that resembles individuals in the WW pics. The older fellah; the young guy with the hooded jacket; and a woman in white coat. These may be part of the target group or maybe just serve as personified markers from one pic scene to the next.
The woman with long blonde hair in the foreground of RED BUS looks a bit like a certain CIA figure. IDK. But here are working with resemblances in a context Q instructed us to dig.
So, we could use human beings as markers, too. These individual are in the pic, that is what Q has documented for us. Wonder if one or more resided in the vicinity - in apartments or in apartment/hotel rooms.
Given the bits and pieces in the background, and mostly out of camera frame, that show different modes of travel to arrive at this scene, perhaps the image of the RED BUS, all shiny and reflective, is merely a surface on which to draw a map.
The casinos of the western world have a track record of being money laundering machines. There is moar than one such establishment in the vicintiy; one is right there at the bus stand. As such, the specter of CHICOM presence via gang-type cartels would be behind the camera position.
Makes me wonder if the hidden enemy is not an actual governmnet/authority entity.
Appreciate the notion of a double decker serving as a projection screen; there is a double decker in the WW pics and it helped date those pics. Would love to identify and then get history of this particular RML.
>>13818555 PB
The overhead windows show one on left with single pane and the one on right with double pane. The second is above the blue panels. Those panels are white text on blue field. It looks like one is the currency sign and the other is its reflection.
See pics. The MONEY EXCHANGE has two tellers, it seems, each is the mirror or twin of the other. So the sign and reflection prolly appeared in both.
The pics used here are SV JUL 2014 just because got a clear view. Scene in SV MAY 2012 looks very much the same.
So the windows help line up the view of the MONEY EXCHANGE which helps ID the blue signage.
But, frens, what is that yellow object that can be seen at the front of the bus? I thought maybe it was a mirror or somesuch attached to the bus at the driver's cab. But nope, looks like it is beyond the bus, again on the other side of the street.
Considering that there were changes made with traffic lights at that crossing, as per the stockphoto of 23 MAR 2014, I am thinking that a small scissor lift was used to lift workers so could work on the lights. Looks like the yellow is a cab atop such a lift. IDK for certain.
Like the pic attached, but more of an enclosed cab.
IF that is correct, then, the RED BUS pic was taken on or much closer to 23 MAR 2014 than previously thought.
It is possible that the changes in the traffic light took place a few days prior to the 23rd if it was part of street prep given the changes in traffic flow.
Does that yellow object look like a lift or something else, anons.
By the way, for anons who might be interested in keeping eye open for a shiny new looking RML so as to identify the one in RED BUS pic, take a close look at the encircled area in prev post.
On the right is the cover of the bus engine; the driver is on the other side of the bus where his cab 'window' serves as his entrance. So on the camera side of the pic is a red hood with a bright whitish reflection. Might that be an overhead Chrismtas decoration?
Oye, hang on, to complete my thought, on the side of the engine hood, below the whitish reflection, is white lettering. That is where you can find an RML's identification. It would be a combo of number and letters. Also appears on a plate between the front wheels. The res in the RED BUS pic is so low that can't make head or tail. But if you are looking that is a prime place to find the identifier.
Kek, alright back to the interuption in my train of thought - the glare on the hood. It is a horizontal survace, more or less, and so unlike the shiny side panels it might reflect from above.
That might change thinking on the time interval. The decorations go up in Nov, I believe, and come down as late as March. Need to better bracket those decorations for 2013/2014 if we are to use them as a marker.
A = YELLOW OBJECT. its edges are well-defined curves.
B = GLARE, possibly from an overhead source. Plus the white lettering of the RML's ID.
C = FOOT TREAD over the wheel well area used by mechanic to climb up for access into the engine compartment.
Relevant stock photo, 23 MAR 2014, shows changes to the traffic lights.
Welcome to the UK bread, fren. There are Aussies who also stop by. This is a checkpoint for anons from various breads. Always a pleasure to say HULLO to GEN.
>I did find what I think are the fixings for it, note window frames. Guess that fixings are multi purpose, i.e. Christmas lights, bunting etc etc.
You spotted something of significance, fren. I surfed SV images way too late for our time interval for RED BUS, however, did find precisely what you had first thought that object could be.
And it appears in a JAN image (unlike other SV years which show spring/summer images) which is of interest to our time interval.
Here the decorations remain in place. I think there are MARCH images, someplace, that show the decorations still up in some years.
What does this mean, fren, IDK for certain but here is a guess. The decorations were either just going up or just coming down. I know, vague. But it would give us a great bookend either way. I don't think it is a toss of a coin; I tend toward coming down.
Turning to look over the bus stand, it appears that if there were decorations overhead, that particular fixing would have held lights directly over the double decker bus. But not if the decorations had come down, or were not up yet, even as the fixing was attached to the bulding.
Previous post I thought that there might be a reflection from something overhead that looked like a glared shape on the horizontal surface of the bus's engine hood. Of course, that might be so or it might not; depend son whether that surface could reflect the second to last string of decorations which might have been in place before the last string directly over the bus stand. The second to last looks promising, if JAN 2018 is a worthy ref point.
Second to last string of decorations would have been over the bus and in a position that could have cast a reflection onto the engine hood.
Now, could have is not the same as actually was as per direct evidence, but it is a beginning, perhaps.
Anons, feels like more progress. Will need to work together on a summary listing of the various markers and the dates associated with each.
This decoration in SV JAN 2018 suggests that OVERHEAD lights would have remained in place after Christmas season of 2013/2014. The fixing that is hanging in the RED BUS pic suggests that the lights had been taken down; so we need direct evidence for the latest the fixings were up there - or at least the decorations.
Am now also thinking that the yellow object in RED BUS, that might have been a lift, could have been associated with taking down or putting up those decorations. Would make some sense to undertake that work around the time that the LSQ construction project got underway.
Based on the stock photos of 23 MAR 2014, some of the scaffolding was already in place on that day. And none of that appears in the Q pic. That means we have a potentially super dooper bookened that would be very firm if we get direct evidence for those decorations being up/down.
The bus stop could have been changed as eary as 1 Nov 2013, RIGHT AFTER city approval for the change; but I think it would have been closer to the onset of the redevelopment project because that is when the disruption in bus stand usage would have taken place. Say, sometime in December, on that basis alone. Might be a thin reed.
However, if DEC 2013, then, that would have been after the decorations went up, I think in November. SO some work cut out for us there, too.
This marker is a bookend. Just gotta figure at which end, kek.
SV JAN 2018 again. Tried to find an angle that was closer to that in the RED BUS pic.
Process of elimination. Red Bus shows the fixing; is it under tension with wires attached? Or is it hanging loosely while still retaining a hinged-like shape?
If it is attached to guide wires, then, the decorations are up.
If not, then, this shows prep for putting decorations up, or a stage in their coming down.
Interim question, where would the guide wires be attached and in what direction would they have been pulled? Specific to 2013/2014. Check the pic in which have drawn approx location of wires as per the SV JAN 2018 image, which looks like a different setup than for 2013/2014 as per prev posted vids.
Based on these images, there are two strings of overhead decoration that run directly over the bust stand. For example, the image with th purple arrow and text shows shwere bus would have been parked, behind the posts, behind the bus stop sign.
There is a reflection on the horizontal surface of the engine hood, beside the driver's cab, that shows as a white glare and generally takes the shape of those overhead curtains of lights. The RED BUS pic was taken in daylight so the lights were prolly not energized but would have presented a multifaceted source of reflection beneath it as it would have hung between sunlight and horizontal surface.
The fixing for holding the decorations, of both of the last two strings, is visible above the rooftop of the double decker and so would be within a meter or two of the top of the bus. If there had been cables attached, these might have been noticable in a snapshot, however, RED BUS exposure has bleached out background surfaces that are grey to white; the guide wires are designed to blend in and in some images online these tend to become difficult to see in daylight.
A question then becomes, doe sthe fixing appear to be hanging loosely or is it under tension such that it may be supporting a strong or two of decoration.
Not sure either way. If this question can be answered with direct evidence, then, we can use the process of elimination more precisely. As its stands, there is a fixing hanging there in the RED BUS pic but does not remain there; it was either in place before decorations were added or it was there after decorations were taken down; or it is under tension in the RED BUS pic and indiating that it was supporting those decorations seen in the Canadian's video recordings.
Seems to me that there is a good possibility that the overhead decorations of at least the 2nd sheet or string was reflected onto the horizontal surface of the bus.
I do not see the guide wires in RED BUS yet that fixing does not look like it is hanging entirely loosely. That could ljust be the nature of that device as it might have a spring-like tension built into it. Its presence is a marker; and it could be a bookened either side of the interval, which could be very short, if the device was not supporting decorations.
It appears that there was some road maintenance work undertaken before 31 DEC 2013 as indicated by the presence of a small blue structure inside metal barrier at the corner across from the RED BUS pic bus stand. The worksite was located on the sidewalk at the corner occupied by MONEY EXCHANGE and PRET A MANGER. In SV images from 2012 to 2015 there are various areas showing disturbances in the sidewalk pavers on that corner area. The precise location appears to be closer to the pedestrian crossing area than would be indicated with these surface marks.
This would rule out a period of time extending before and after 31 DEC 2013; perhaps a week or so on each side, given the season, IDK. Maybe it was just for a day or two, so will need more direct evidence.
>going up to remove the decorations, would you also not remove the black strap fixings?
Sure, and those were removed eventually. Just possible that the decorations came down before return to remove the fixings from their attachment points. OR the reverse on setup of decorations; setup the attachments first and then bring the rest with increasing tension at each anchor position. Prolly done in stages given weight of decorations.
sauce was embedded in pic but here it is for easy access to the short vid from which the cap was taken.
https://youtu.be/OxTVxhBfoXA?t=24
Note the location of the bus stop sign vis-a-vis the casino signage. Note the 2nd to last sheet of decorations in relation to the casino signage.
Compare the approx location of the guide cables coming off each sheet of decorations. The 2nd to last sheet is over the bus stand.
Next note there is another sheet that returns with the guide cables back to the other side of the street over the MONEY EXCHANGE. That sheet of decorations also is over the bus stand.
Each of those sheets is in position to reflect onto horizontal surfaces of the double decker in RED BUS pic. The particular surface that might have reflected unlit decoratons during daylight would have been the only such horizontal that appears on the bus in that pic - the hood over the engine compartment beside the driver's cab.
Whether or not that is a reflection from the decorations, if these sheets were in place at the time of the pic, then, they were in position to have possibly cast a reflection down onto that surface.
Not saying the decorations are visible directly, in RED BUS pic. However, the device use to securely attach cables to fixed points on the building is in RED BUS pic but discerning the guide cables is quite the challenge given the over-exposure of the lighter areas.
If that fixing is under tension, then, the decorations are overhead of the bus stand - two sheets worth. More than enough.
Can see what you are pointing out. And, yeh, the lift could have been related. Also there is the need to access the underfoot power cables - for the decorations but also for any traffic or street lamps.
Map of Coventry bus stand overlaid by approximate location of the last two sheets of decorations.
In SV JUL 2012 there was a similar blue structure over access hole in sidewalk. At that time it wason the side of the street near the bus stand.
The year before, the overhead decorations remained at least until 19 JAN 2013 and prolly longer. Not lit-up after NYE, maybe. Seem to recall they appeared in vids as late as MARCH some years.
Need direct evidence for the bookends.
Here is a vid recorded on that day.
https://youtu.be/98N1145ZOfY?t=387
6mins 25secs
Wonder if Anons might search for city docs regarding the decorations that year; and perhaps something about the blue structure and underfoot access at Coventry/ Whitcomb / Wardour streets.
Might be a temporary police box.
The one in JUL 2013 had an odd metal structure above its walls. Like the 31 DEC 2013, the blue box is behind temporary handrailing. Looks like the same labels on side. This is the same deal, I think.
What is it?
London,UK,9th December 2020,Police use a vantage point in Regent Street in London’s West End, 9th December 2020.
https://www.alamy.com/search.html?qt=2DH223T&imgt=0
Brief history of the police box
https://www.oldpolicecellsmuseum.org.uk/content/history/police_history/brief-history-police-box
Appendix Dr WHO and the TARDIS
https://www.britishtelephones.com/police/boxes.pdf
Time And Relative Dimension In Space.
Kek.
Alright frens, so we have two new markers for the RED BUS pic. These were under our noses for how long? GUD WERK, UK bread.
Fixing on attachment points that served to hold up the Christmas decorations overhead.
Whereas we once thot there was no sign of Christmas in the RED BUS pic, except indirectly as per possible connexion with the Piccadily Circus pics and the WW pics, we now have direct evidence of a Christmas Timeframe for RED BUS.
There may be a reflection on the engine hood of the double decker; and that may be from the overhead decorations. This is an indirect bit that supports the fact of that fastner device visiblel over the top of the double decker. It looks like it may be under tension, at least partially, and so might be a marker going back to when the decorations were being setup up or, more likely, when these were being taken down several weeks after New Year's Eve.
Another bit that MAY SUPPORT the presence of the decorations, and which has yet to be firmly established, is what appears to be a lift on the opposite side of Coventry on the sidewalk outside of MONEY EXCHANGE. If that is a lift, with a yellow cab, it might also be associated with the prep work done before the scaffolding and shroud was dropped onto the COMMUNICATIONS BUILDING, aka LSQ, on 23 MAR 2014.
Connecting these three markers would be an amazing way to narrow the time interval for RED BUS pic. If that cannot be done, but instead these are somehow connected with the timing of the demolition/construction werk across the way, then, that would be just as powerful in service of the time interval. Quite a vein to dig moar deeply, anons.
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… continued, Two new markers for RED BUS.
The absence of a blue police box on the sidewalk at the kerb, corner of Coventry and Whitcomb streets; its absence is noteworthy in the RED BUS pic because we have pictorial evidence of its PRESENCE on 31 DEC 2013 in a video that recorded the blue box on the spot where we think we have also discerned a man with red touque, black jacket, tan trousers, and dark shoes. It is virtually the same spot on the sidewalk across the street from and in the background of RED BUS.
At the very least, this video eliminates 31 DEC 2013/ 1 JAN 2014 from the days during which the RED BUS pic could have been captured. Am thinking that this police box may have been put into service at that location because of the crowds that pour into and out of LEICESTER SQUARE and CHINATOWN especially during Christmas Season. There was a mini-theme park in the park; it included a carousel and other rides.
The location of that box is significant and it absence could eventually serve as a marker in support of new bookends.
Sometimes it occurs to me that our analyses of these London Pics is like doing a jigsaw puzzle in reverse and doing so with more pieces that can fit. Hence the process of elimination has figured prominently in our efforts.
Scrutinize, frens, and dig, dig, dig.
>we now have direct evidence of a Christmas Timeframe for RED BUS.
The Timeframe runs across many years. In our attempts to put a date taken on each LONDON pic, we werk to narrow the time interval during which the pic could possibly have been taken. Narrowing the time interval might bring us to a very gud idea of an exact date or at least a short time span that certain events were captured.
So the Timeframe helps us learn about each scene as we can compare different years against the markers within the camera frames. But we tune in the timing with our bookends. The firmer the bookend, the stronger the estimate for dating each pic.
Christmas is a Timeframe, not an interval. While keeping that in mind and scrutinizing for markers, some details just pop-out from the pictures the more we learn about each scene's upgrades/surroundings. Feeling that eventually we will cross-ref the London Pics with other info that sheds light on these time intervals. We may not have enough to tell the story; but we will have the background to support the story that outs with future proves past. That something is so well hidden in plain sight through these snapshots tells me that its significance is huge. Or will yet prove to be huge. Biblical - Christmas Timeframe.
Anons, please note that the date, 23 MAR 2014, is a firm NOT AFTER date. The shrouding was dropped over the top floors of the Communications Building and that would have been within the camera frames of RED BUS pic.
Note that there was scaffolding erected on the upper floors and THAT would also have been within frame BEFORE the 23rd. However, at that time, the street level on that same side of Communications Building was not blocked by scaffolding within the frame of RED BUS pic. So these two features of the prep for demotion and construction did not appear together at the time of this pic. The setup of the ground level scaffolding on the sidewalk and the area of the two bus stands was soon put in place; see the stockphoto that showed the purple-coloured crane, the chainlink fence, and the vehicle/s within that area. So that much was already in place; that prep looks advanced by a few days but IDK for certain how long before the 23rd that aea was blocked off enough that it woud have been within RED BUS camera frame.
Ok, but pause on that. Would it have been possible to show as much as can be seen in that area in RED BUS without showing the chain link fece, the vehicle/s in there, and the crane? Definitely not? Definitely yes? MAYBE?
Note the crowded sidewalk in front of MONEY EXCHANGE on 23 MAR 2014. The traffic light post was taken down and left roughly in place on the tilt and was fenced in with an orrange barricade. That was located on the kerb itself and at the pedestrian crossing for passing across Coventry to the corner in front of the double decker bus. This suggests, to me at least, that pedestrians were 'detoured' to Swiss Court if they needed to cross Coventry at that location; or they could have crossed earlier at points toward Haymarket. If that is correct, then, the intersection itelf might have been blocked off and/or occupied by gear related to the construction work.
None of that appears in RED BUS and it does look like people might have been able to cross Coventry at the pedestrian crossing at the kerb in front of MONEY EXCHANGE. That is not certain as we do not have an open view of that area in RED BUS. And that doublecdecker would need a way out of its spot; presumably moving forward and then perhaps a left turn, if the right side was blocked by construction staging. But based on RED BUS alone, the bus could have gone either left or right as we see no blockage on the street.
Just some observs that might inform digz.
>Would it have been possible to show as much as can be seen in that area in RED BUS without showing the chain link fece, the vehicle/s in there, and the crane? Definitely not? Definitely yes? MAYBE?
The crane, if it was in the same place as in 23 MAR stockphotos, would have been visible in RED BUS. The crane coud have been near and not quite in position and ready to start on the scaffolding that was erected on exterior of the upper floors over Whitcomb, POSSIBLY.
Meanwhile, in RED BUS, the traffic lamp is in its place. It would be taken down and then during the construction it would be put back in place as seen in SV MAY 2014.
The pedestrians could have been moving past the chain link fence, just off camera, in RED BUS. I say that because of a straight forward comparison of the two stock photos where one shows eople in the sidewalk without also showing the fence that appears in the other stock photo.
So, the shroud did not appear in RED BUS nor the scaffolding on the exterior of the building, nor was the traffic lamp upset. That suffices to rule out the 23 mar 2014, which was a SUNDAY, and quite likely rule out the work days of the previous week, 17 to 22 MAR, and possibly the previous week or more.
Depending on how much work would have taken place before the scaffolding was ready on the exterior, IDK. Seems possible that work had been underway gutting the interior during DEC-FEB. There might have been another way into and out of the building on the ground floor around the other side of the building. That would make sense as construction tends to be restricted re disturbing traffic and pedestrians as little as possible. With a project like this can't see the developers not being busy as soon as possible even if restricted. But to put those scaffolds on the upper floors would require a safety zone beneath - ie on the sidewalk and that bus stand area - even if some traffic could go by on Whitcomb during the daytime and part of the evenings.
Anons have some means of estimating the scaffold work time prior to what we see on 23 MAR 2014? How far toward DEC could we reasonably push the NOT AFTER bookend for RED BUS?
Seems to me that most of DEC can be counted as within the interval even though the developer had the ok to get started on the project during that month. The Canadian's vids seem to support that notion at least to 1 JAN 2014.
https://www.buildington.co.uk/london-wc2/48-leicester-square/communications-house/id/4027
https://www.buildington.co.uk/images/projects/9d5ac63a731976bf19d3197284db5955.jpg
Photo of The Communications House aka LSQ on 2 FEB 2014.
That is the date attributed to the pic on the website. Presumably this is the date taken. In the pic, can see customers inside the McDonald's.
Think need moar on this date and prior. Anyway, if we take the dating at face value, then, can eliminate all of JAN 2014, also, and first two days of FEB 2014.
A minor and perhaps trivial curiosity.
FANUM HOUSE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanum_House
Fanum House is the headquarters of the Automobile Association in Basingstoke, in the English county of Hampshire.[1] It is one of several current and former AA buildings named "Fanum House" around the country. The original headquarters in Leicester Square, London, was also called Fanum House, "Fanum" being the call sign of the AA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_signs_in_the_United_Kingdom
Interdasting history of the AA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AA_plc
In 1998, as a result of enquiries by James Birkin, an AA member[13] it emerged that members had the right to stand for the executive committee. It also emerged during correspondence that there was no record of any member of the AA ever having stood for election. At that time, the committee had the right to veto those standing and had in fact always appointed new members. Birkin stood for the committee in 1998, having first issued a press release reported in the London Evening Standard highly critical of way the system operated. He was duly rejected by the committee as a candidate they wished to be permitted to stand. Criticism followed at the annual general meeting in May 1998, describing the executive committee of behaving like a "self-perpetuating oligarchy."[13] The meeting repeatedly criticised chairman Sir Brian Shaw for having said that members who were unhappy with this arrangement could "vote with their feet".[13]
For emphasis.
SELF PERPETUATING OLIGARCHY.
VOTE WITH THEIR FEET.
FANUM HOUSE
An odd artifact found on the Open Street Map of that part of London.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.509162179&mlon=-0.13064953#map=19/51.51016/-0.13155
https://www.streetcheck.co.uk/postcode/wc2h7ep
The main electrical substation for the West End is beneath the Square. The electrical cables to the substation are in a large tunnel ending at Leicester Square, and originating in Wimbledon, at Plough Lane, behind the former Wimbledon FC football ground, before which the cables are above ground.[62]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Square#Infrastructure
https://web.archive.org/web/20071031103221/http://tdworld.com/mag/power_tunneling_london_developments/
Tunneling Under London Developments in cable tunnel design provide an economic and environmental solution to system reinforcement.
Jul 1, 1996 12:00 PM
John Mathews, C Eng, London Electricity.
Transmission & Distribution magazine
London Electricity has undertaken a number of major system replacement and refurbishment programs over the last six years to upgrade electricity supplies in the capital city. One of those programs involved the installation of 132-kV cables in the central areas of London using tunneling methods. The tunnel design provided a cost-effective and environmentally friendly solution to cable installation works in a major urban area.
Stage 1: Leicester Square Substation In 1989, as part of the project to construct the underground 180-MVA substation under Leicester Square gardens, London Electricity needed to install three 132-kV cable circuits from an existing substation in Duke Street 3 km (1.9 mi) from the substation and adjacent to the main Oxford Street shopping area. Streets in this area are relatively narrow and are heavily congested with traffic 24 hours a day. The requirement to construct a 1.2 m (3.9 ft) wide by 1.5 m (4.9 ft) deep trench over a distance of 600 m (1969 ft) per cable section length in this important commercial area was not received with enthusiasm by Westminster City Council, the authority responsible for this area of London.
London Electricity invited Howard Humphreys & Partners, a firm of consulting engineers (now part of the Brown & Root organization) to perform a feasibility study to see if a tunnel could be constructed that followed the highway and avoided the mid-level sewers and the four underground train tunnels in the area. The study concluded that a 2 m (6.6 ft) dia tunnel could be constructed in the London clay at a depth of 20 m (65.6 ft). It also concluded that the cost of a tunnel, hand-driven within a hydraulically operated shield and lined with wedgeblock concrete rings would cost approximately 25% more than constructing a conventional trench, taking into account the considerable amount of other utility apparatus already occupying the highway.
The adverse impact on the business community and the difficulty of forecasting the timescale of constructing a conventional surface trench in this area lead London Electricity to proceed with the deep tunnel option.
Four intermediate access shafts were constructed along the 3-km (1.9-mile) route to assist with the cable installation and to allow easy access to the cable jointing positions. In order to accommodate the 132-kV joints, the tunnel diameter was increased to 3 m (9.8 ft) at the jointing positions. The section lengths were approximately 500 m (1640 ft).
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London Electricity's Public Electricity Supply (PES) license allows it to excavate or tunnel under the public highway without seeking further planning permission. The contractors, J. Murphy and Sons, were able to accommodate this license condition successfully, but the tight corners on the route necessitated the use of bolted rings rather than the conventional wedgeblock arrangement (Fig. 1). The cables were buried in a 14 to 1 cement bound sand mixture to eliminate fire hazards and to assist with the heat dissipation through the tunnel lining.
Although original construction plans called for two 10-hr shifts per day, single shifts were used because residents near the site objected to the background construction noise level during the night hours. However, the civil construction of the tunnel still took only 12 months to complete at a cost of o3.9 million (US$5.8 million).
Stage 2: Duke Street/Carnaby Street Cable Tunnel After construction work was completed on the Leicester Square project, London Electricity had to replace a 66-kV paper-insulated cable route between Duke Street and Carnaby Street substations, which was approaching the end of its useful life. It was decided to spur off the existing tunnel and construct an additional length of tunnel to Carnaby Street to house this 66-kV cable. Figure 2 shows the four 66-kV cable circuits supported on steelwork fixed to the tunnel lining and one set of the 132-kV joints at a joint bay area.
London Electricity's policy is to apply two coats of a fire protection paint to all exposed 132- and 66-kV cables in tunnels and substation basements because the medium density polyethylene (MDPE) sheath material used on these cables is a combustible material. Figure 2 shows the 66-kV cables already painted with the fire protection paint. The 132-kV cables and joints were painted shortly after this photograph was taken.
Stage 3: Barbican Substation Uprating A second refurbishment project authorized in 1993 involved uprating an existing 33/11-kV substation in the Barbican development in London to 132/11-kV operation. Initially equipped with two 60-MVA, 132/11-kV transformers, the substation provided for a third unit to be installed within the next 10 years. The utility decided to adopt a similar design of cable tunnel to accommodate the two 132-kV cable circuits as it would allow the third circuit to be installed at very low cost. This tunnel was only 1.2 km (0.75 miles) long and had one intermediate shaft of 3.5 m (11.5 ft) dia.
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Like the route on the Leicester Square project, the tunnel was to follow existing roads, but in this case this meant going beneath a section of road that was bridged by a car park. The tunnel had to steer a narrow course between the piles supporting the car park.
London Electricity had to back up its contractual guarantees on safety with a stringent procedure to test for any vertical or horizontal movement in the road structures above, which comprised 30-story-tall blocks of luxury flats.
Because the tunnel had only a 600 mm (23.6 inch) horizontal clearance from the piles and because it lay 4 m (13 ft) beneath a load bearing slab, the Corporation of London and many of the Barbican residents were understandably nervous. To satisfy the Corporation staff, who were responsible for the buildings, an initial structural survey of the buildings was carried out, and then mechanical strain gages were installed to record any movement in the buildings. The gages were checked on a daily basis during the most critical stages of construction.
No discernible movement was detected in the buildings and the settlement of the slab was half the 4 mm (1.6 inches) predicted. The success of this work is attributable to the use of a unique grout developed for the Channel Tunnel project, which provides very high load transfer properties and sets within 20 minutes of application. The grout reduced the time when there is no support beneath the surface to an absolute minimum.
The cable tunnels were fully serviced with lighting and power. At each shaft position sump pumps were installed to drain away any groundwater entering the tunnel. A leaky feeder was installed in each tunnel to provide telecommunication facilities. Hand-held mobile telephone units were able to dial into London Electricity's internal telephone system from any point in the tunnel. Contact with system control or other ground-based crews will be possible at all times during maintenance inspections.
Gas monitoring equipment was also installed at each shaft position. The intermediate shafts, which were capped on completion of construction with a single manhole cover (900 by 600 mm or 35 by 23.6 inches), provide access for personnel. A combination of covers provide plant access measuring 1.8 by 1.2 m (5.9 by 3.9 ft). These covers are locked with special keys. An automatic alarm system is being installed to detect any open pit cover.
Stage 4: Southwest London In 1994, London Electricity commenced work on a major refurbishment of the primary distribution system (132 and 66 kV) to upgrade electricity supplies to South West London at a cost of œ52 million (US$76.7 million). The main part of this project involved the construction of a 2.5 m (8.2 ft) dia. tunnel, 10 km (6.2 miles) long. The tunnel connects three main substations at Wimbledon and Wands-worth on the south side of the River Thames to Moreton Street, located in Pimlico on the north side (Fig. 3).
With the increased length of tunnel and the need to drive under the River Thames, London Electricity's consultant engineers, Howard Humphreys & Partners, opted for a larger diameter tunnel of 2.54 m (8.3 ft) allowing the use of a tunnel boring machine (TBM). The increased diameter meant the joints could be installed within the tunnel bore and no enlargement was needed at the joint bay position.
The TBM allows a faster construction speed and, since the machine chosen was a Lovat full faced machine, reduces the risk of delays because of the possible presence of scour holes in the clay. Scour holes are fissures of loose sand and gravels, often containing water, which can seriously affect ground stability when encountered. The use of a full faced machine allows the machine doors to be closed in seconds, thus protecting the machine operators and maintaining the ground stability until a decision can be made on how to overcome the unstable ground. Invariably, this will mean fixing a tailskin to the rear of the machine where the ring erection takes place to support the ground until the segmental bolted rings are in place and grouting is completed (Fig. 4).
The tunnel construction work was carried out from two main working shafts located on industrial sites away from any residences, with good access for material delivery and spoil removal. Four trains with six spoil wagons serviced the tunneling crew, and each train carried enough segments to form one ring at the face to carry away the spoil. Ring segments were one m (3.3 ft) wide on this tunnel.
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The TBM had a specially designed arm at the back that lifted the segments into place, driving home the key segment with the aid of hydraulic rams. The machine then pushed itself forward via another set of hydraulic rams, engaging the last set of concrete rings installed. On a good day the team installed 50 rings during a 12-hr shift.
As the route of this tunnel again followed a major road system in South London, the intermediate shafts were constructed in side roads where disruption to traffic flow was minimized. The shafts were then connected to the main drive via short, hand-dug, side-entry tunnels.
Experience gained from the first two tunnel projects demonstrated that the installation of the 132-kV XLPE insulated cables in formed concrete troughs was both expensive and time-consuming. Therefore, London Electricity decided to affix the four 132-kV circuits required in the section of tunnel between Wandsworth and Pimlico directly to the tunnel lining, as shown in Figure 5. The cables were then covered with the 14 to 1 cement bound sand mixture, providing a level floor across the tunnel width.
Longer cable section lengths could be installed if the cable drums (weighing approximately 20 t or 22 tons) could be lowered to the base of the working shaft (7.5 m in dia or 24.6 ft). Motorized rollers spaced along the tunnel could then be used to install the cables rather than a conventional bond pull. Figure 6 shows one of the motorized rollers in situ pulling the first cable length along the tunnel.
Section lengths of 1000 m (3280 ft) were ordered from the cable supplier, Pirelli Cables Ltd., while the civil contractor, J. Murphy and Sons Ltd., constructed the tunnel and installed the cables. Motorized rollers spaced at approximately 50-m (164-ft) intervals along the tunnel over a distance of 3000 m (9843 ft) were used to install up to three section lengths in one pull. The cables were then placed into trefoil cleats spaced at 5-m (16.4-ft) intervals with short circuit restraining straps fixed at 1.25 m (4.1 ft) distances.
The cost of providing lighting in the tunnel was estimated at œ1 million (US$1.47 million) and, since the tunnel would only be accessed for inspection every six months, was considered to be uneconomic. Instead, a two-person electric vehicle equipped with inspection lights was developed. The vehicle was fitted with gas detectors that shut the machine off immediately when gas is detected. The vehicle carries a drum containing 500 m (1640 ft) of flexible lighting cable, which can be connected to a shaft power source and can provide floodlighting and power to any point along the tunnel should work be required. In order to support the vehicle, the top layer of cement bound sand has had a layer of stronger mix concrete skimmed over it.
Figure 7 shows the vehicle and cable drum prior to lowering it into the tunnel. Outrider arms can be lowered when the vehicle is in the tunnel to ensure it drives along the middle of the tunnel and does not damage the tunnel walls or attached equipment.
Cable Circuit Monitoring Ventilation of the tunnels and dissipation of the heat produced from the cables has required considerable attention as the amount of information available is limited and tends to be theoretical. Calculations for the first tunnel route to Leicester Square indicated a possible maximum temperature of 35øC (95øF) _ design value of 30øC (86øF) _ if two out of the three circuits were operating at the maximum cyclic rating of 450 A.
It was therefore decided to rely initially on natural ventilation from the two end shafts but to make provision to install a forced ventilation system if conditions dictated. Experience to date has shown that a very good flow of air is maintained throughout the tunnel and operating temperatures are well below the design criteria.
For the longer Wimbledon, Wands-worth to Pimlico tunnel, each intermediate shaft has a roadside cabinet equipped with fans capable of providing the shaft area with two exchanges of air per hr when access is required in the tunnel. The shaft at Wandsworth will have a housing placed over it on completion of construction and the facility exists to install suitably sized ventilation fans to provide a forced ventilation system, if required.
On this route a fiber optic cable has been placed in the middle of the trefoil grouping of each circuit, which will be used to continuously monitor conductor temperatures of the four circuits. A separate fiber that will be used to monitor tunnel ambient temperatures and operating experience over the next few years should provide valuable information on the parameters affecting cable heating and cooling cycles when installed in tunnel conditions.
The construction cost of the 10-km (6.2-mile) tunnel was œ14.5 million (US$21.4 million), and the cable supply and installation cost amounted to œ8.5 million (US$12.5 million). The first circuit was commissioned at the beginning of May 1996. All work was to be completed by the end of May. London Electricity currently has two more major tunnel projects under construction _ a 6-km (3.7-mile) route between Willesden and Fulham Palace Road that will initially house three 132-kV cable circuits and another 4.5-km (2.8-mile) route between St. John's Wood and Holborn substations. Different types of TBM are being used on the two projects because of differing ground conditions. In particular, ground conditions approaching Hol-born, where the London clay disappears and loose sands and gravels are known to exist, dictate that a high-level pipe jack will minimize the risk of ground subsidence and the need for expensive tunneling techniques.
In all these works London Electricity has emphasized informing the local business and residential communities about construction and has provided a 24-hr telephone contact to handle complaints speedily. Brochures describing construction plans are given to all involved around the shaft sites, and meetings with local residents have helped maintain good relationships with the local community and minimized their inconvenience.
The construction of tunnels to accommodate London Electricity's primary distribution cables has successfully reduced the impact of construction on a congested urban area and will allow future maintenance work on its cables to be carried out economically. In constructing an asset with a useful life of at least 100 years, London Electricity will also be able to refurbish its primary system cables in about 40 years with minimal installation costs. TDW
John Mathews is London Electricity's network projects manager responsible for the design and construction of all major project work associated with its electricity distribution network. During the 1970s he spent five years working in the Far East. He is a chartered engineer and a member of the Institution of Electrical Engineers.
HIGHLIGHTS
Main electrical substation for the West End is under Leicester Square. The Communiations House, aka LSQ, provides access to this power grid via its sub-ground levels.
Huge and deep tunnel was dug for the cables to the Leicester Square POWER substation. Shafts were built at cable jointing positions. The route followed existed roadways.
Facinating account of tunneling beneath the densely populated landscape. Power flows like an underground river. Because of the many interests of the citizens and the businesses, there was extensive public consultation and loads of communications. The project outlook was toward 100 years, at least, of useful life and so relative ease and cost of refurbishment was engineered into the facilities.
Now, re-read the account of that project and think of security services with the power that surges through the secretive underground operations. The Communiations House, a name that carries multiple meanings, was once known as FANUM House, a name derived of call signal for a mobile automobile association's mobile radio services. The building was gutted, its facaded reained, and its roof or cover updated. All engineered cheek to cheek with citiens and businesses packed in that part of London.
Demolition is expected to commence in January 2014 upon full vacant possession of the site, together with the remaining site investigation works in the retail areas. Completion is anticipated in early 2016.
https://www.watermangroup.com/news/49-leicester-square-gets-green-light/
https://www.watermangroup.com/news/lsq-london-wins-the-structural-steel-design-award/
LSQ London, designed by Make Architects, occupies the entire West side of Leicester Square in Central London, offering over 90,000ft2 of Grade A commercial space and 40,000ft2 of retail space.
Waterman was appointed by an overseas client and CORE, as Development Managers, and we worked closely with Multiplex Construction Europe, to provide structural engineering consultancy services.
The scheme included part demolition, maintaining a 4-sided retained façade, and reconstruction of the new internal structure to provide a nine-storey building, including a new two-storey basement. The contemporary roof design is supported by a central steel core and new perimeter stanchions to create a completely column-free office space, spanning up to 12m and providing efficient floor space to appropriate market standards.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/LSQ+Rooftop+-+Leicester+Square/@51.5107288,-0.1306522,3a,40.2y,330.57h,87.59t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipPhVGydNPZzEWO9n-T4ZKZlGpj0ZEhKnLo2a3VV!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipPhVGydNPZzEWO9n-T4ZKZlGpj0ZEhKnLo2a3VV%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya186-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352!4m17!1m9!3m8!1s0x487604d23e35625d:0x8935fc0dd3c700ed!2sHotel+Indigo+London+-+1+Leicester+Square,+an+IHG+Hotel!5m2!4m1!1i2!8m2!3d51.5107215!4d-0.130929!3m6!1s0x487604d23fd25623:0x2a06797b955136fb!8m2!3d51.5106829!4d-0.1308645!14m1!1BCgIgARICCAI
This 360 degree view from the interior of a rooftop restaurant includes a view of THE EYE/CHARING CROSS STATION as well as a very cool view of NZH over the head of Communications House.
Looking back toward the EMBANKMENT from the approximate location of the RED BUS pic.
SV IMAGES of Whitcomb Street, for comparison between before construction and during construction.
MAY 2014
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JUL 2012
>>13875943, >>13876518, >>13879103, >>13876596
vid
https://youtu.be/Pq_U_uaqQgk?t=48
The vid provided gud view of overhead decorations; these would have been above the double decker. RED BUS was a daylight snapshot so lights not on; however, the panels on the bus were very shiny; overhead decorations would have been in position to possibly cast a reflection downward onto horizontal surfaces. There is a reflection on the hood of the engine compartment.
In RED BUS, on the building across the street, seen above rooftop of double decker, there is a fixing that provides attachment to anchor points. The guide cables that hold up the decorations run to that type of fixing on buildings along Coventry Street, as per SV images and pics from other Christmas Seasons. Such fastners are taken down and put up each year.
This provides a marker that means RED PIC was taken during Christmas Season. Could have been at the start or end of season, depending on whether or not the fastner, as captured in RED BUS, was under the same sort of tension it would have been during setup/teardown; or the decorations were in place at the time of RED BUS.
There appears to be a scissor lift, or other type of lift, at the sidewalk on the other side of the street from the double decker. Its yellow cab can be discerned near the front of the bus at the approximate location of the pedestrian crossing and the traffic lamp. This may have been in use during either setup or teardown of the decorations. Or in use for some other purpose unrelated to the decorations.
On other years both before and after 2013/2014, the decorations went up in NOV and came down in MAR. So to use this fastner as a marker, will need pictorial evidence of the earliest and latest that the decorations were in place on Coventry. Better yet would be evidence of setup/teardown with lift that has a yellow cab. And better would be an example of a daytime reflection from an overhead decoration onto horizontal surface of a vehicle – think back to our scrutiny of reflections on cars and vans in the CH pics.
Another thot, it may be that a lift was used to re-adjust tension on the guide cables AFTER a very windy episode. That woud make a very useful marker right smack in the middle of Christmas Week, maybe.
Closer look at the guide cable arrangement for the Coventry Street Christmas Decorations shows that in addition to the 3 sheets of lighting, there were/are tensioner cables that criss-cross the sheets and attach on or near the same anchor point locations on the buildings.
Given the pattern and the danging weight these sheets represent, can expect that the tension on the guide cables would require some adjustment after significant changes in temperature and/or the rise and fall of a gusty wind storm. Maintenance would require release of tension to adjust damaged parts or to replace parts.
Not understanding. The cables support the decorations. There are tension cables that criss-cross the decorations. There are anchor points on which the fixings are attatched. And anchor points apart from those.
Check out SV JAN 2018 and compare with the other sources of images.
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SV JAN 2018 provides loads of images on these cables and attachment points. The anchor positions have been used and reused for more than a decade. Some changes, sure, but the basics are right there.
Regardless, the decorations in 2013/2014 were hung over the bus stand.
The open top tour is less capable of displaying a reflection as it has less horizontal surface area given that it lacks a roof. And its design does not include an engine hood placed beside the driver's cab, which is part of the design of Routemasters and, in particular, the shiny panels of the particular RML in RED BUS pic.
Have you looked at the engine hood in the RED BUS pic and have you some other explanation for the reflection or glare on that horizontal surface? What source of white have you identified, if any?
If there is some other source, then, you have a fair point that goes into the mix, certaintly.
There is pictorial evidence of such reflections on cars beneath such decorations in the daylight. Again, check SV JAN 2018.
During the daylight, there are many possible sources of reflection on shiny surfaces. Some are closer than others. Some are more colourful and easier to discern. And some are of such shape as to not be architectural but something additional.
The evidence from SV JAN 2018 suffices to establish the distinct possibility that a more or less horizontal surface could reflect the overhead objects - including the lusterous Christmas decorations which would catch and throw light from other sources when the decorations themselves are unlit.
But alternative possibilities might exist to account for the gleem on the engine hood of the shiny double decker. What might they be, at that particular location?
>>13880870, >>13881171, >>13881021
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hisgett/8280916895/in/photostream/
Temporary police box present 14 DEC 2012 at the same place it appeared in JUL 2012.
Interdasting that it was there in JUL-DEC 2012 and removed by at least 19 JAN 2013 as per open source video. But not there during the rest of 2013 until the end of DEC. Have yet to see images of that type of box on Coventry Street in 2013/2014 except on NYE. Maybe overlooked because was not looking for it specifically.
So if Anons spot that type of blue box during the winter of 2013/2014, please post.
https://youtu.be/Q9YQA2qTQjk
>the pic of a modern tour bus underneath Coventry decorations is no more capable of showing a reflection of decorations than the red bus was.
Vid recorded from behind the engine hood on a Routemaster with shiny panels.
https://youtu.be/Wy5TFFbFvuo
While the bus in that vid rode under all kinds of overhead Christmas decorations it did not drive down Coventry Street. Still, it showed how overhead reflections off decorations strung across the streets could reflect onto that horizontal surface. Now, this vid was recorded durng night darkness and the decorations were lit up, so take that into account, natch. But this shows how it is possible.
On the other hand, it is possible, perhaps, that the W's various lusterous surfaces had cast a reflection onto that part of the double decker parked in RED BUS pic. The shape of the reflection doesn't match W, in my view, but still a possibility. Another is that the bright white building at KFC cast a reflection, though the angle doesn't seem right to me. Looking for other possibilities that might be more apt than the two sheets of decorations overhead at that bus stand position.
The last sheet of decorations is almost in perfect alignment with the bus stop sign post and the fastner up on the building across the street. So there's plausibility and, in my view, likelihood. But direct evidence could firm it up.
In any case, the fastner is on the wall and can be seen in RED BUS pic. That in itself indicates decorations overhead were being setup, taken down, adjusted, or hanging there regardless of reflections. See previous point about supporting the Christmas Timeframe which is an annual marker by its very nature.
Reflections in daylight.
Double decker's engine hood.
https://youtu.be/DowatcJO3Mg
For anons who might be interested, here are pics of the engine compartment and the driver's cab on a Routemaster.
sauce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6JWslvCQV8
Yellow signs attatched the bus stop sign post.
SV JUL 2012
Pre-LSQ redevelopment project.
Two plates, indecipherable.
SV MAY 2014
During LSQ development project.
Top plate, 'No stopping 9.30pm-8am except taxis.'
Lower plate, 'No standing 8am-9.30pm except local buses.
BASED ON the 2014 yellow signs, which are attached to the sign post, that shows the bust stop sign that matches Q, the daytime hours durng which the double decker, a local private hire bus, was parked in that bus stand would have been between 8am-930pm, minus the twilight-to-dark hours duirng the winter of 2013/2014. That can be narrowed further by narrowing first by month.
What are the daylight hours that would match RED BUS pic during DEC 2013?
>Just noticed another sheet of decorations, but it is unlighted.
Fren, please state your observation with specifics so we can find and scrutinize what you have noticed. Is it in the CDN vid? Which quadrant; what helps us to pick it out?
RED BUS ref pic SV JAN 2018.
Showing the snowflake, looks like very similar decorations wre used in 2013/2014.
Here is a ref pic of the fixings and attachment points. Notice the tension on the fixing; does look like it is hinged somehow. Clevis pins perhaps under rubber tubing. Also note the use of turnbuckle for tensioning. These appear at other points on Coventry. It occurs to me that we might also look for the electrical lines/connexions along the way.
Ref pic from SV JAN 2018.
Here is street map with the sheets and criss-cross tension cables, labeled, as per the SV JAN 2018 reference - and an attempt to label the corresponding sheets and cables from the 31 DEC 2013 vid.
I think there is another sheet just out of camera frame, above and to the left, which runs perendicular to the street and connects between the anchor point over KFC and the anchor point over Money Exchange. Could be mistaken, please review the vid to verify.
Anyway if that first and out of frame sheet exists in 31 DEC 2013, not sure how it lines-up with the JAN 2018 reference.
All that is a way to plot the sheets that appear in the vidcap that shows the unlit sheet. That sheet, I think, is the same position as a non-sheet cable that was captured in the SV JAN 2018 images.
So significant differences between what was captured in the NYE vid by the CDN. Could be a marker.
I think that in his other vids of Piccadilly Circus on countdown NYE, the CDN did catch a view of the statute without the snow globe. The plastic was wrecked BEFORE Christmas Day in that wind storm.
You know, hafta rethink that object. Yeh, the cab is intact and can see the steering wheel inside. On the outside, on the lip of the body, there does appear to be a soft tool bag of sorts resting just at the corner of the cab window. So not a lift on the sidewalk.
The colour of the object roughly matches the livery colours. No driver in the pic. Might have been a decoration of some sort across the front but leaning toward a toolbag. No driver. Hmm.
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I see what you mean about length of the RML cab, however, the bus is parked on an angle to the kerb and to the camera. That might 'shorten' the viewed length.
The forward portion of the hood slopes and is obscured by the pedestrians between it and the camera, I think. Check the front wheel vs the shiny step tread above the wheel well.
Snowglobe went up in NOV 2013. Exact date was published in different news articles; posted in past bread.
CHAMOIS CLOTH OR SHAMMY.
Thinking, shiny bright red bus panels. Four Hire bus might have occassional need for on the spot buffing.
But also think yellow mack. Where did we see a yellow mack before, in a Q pic, frens?
Spitballin.
Definitely an RML in the RED BUS pic. There is such a bus that can be found in vids around 2012-2015 on the streets in vicinity of Corinthia Hotel, EMBANKMENT, Northumberland, White Hall Place, and TRAFALGAR SQUARE, and so forth. The square middle window in the upper and lower decks is a telltale feature; likewise the original windows that passengers could open/close.
A huge feature that is not in the camera frame of RED PIC is the open platform in the rear. Note that the shiny panels do not reflect much on the right part of the double decker that does manage to stay within camera frame. Odd. What might account for that? Maybe something non-reflective was temporarily draped in-between bus and building. The casino entrance is dark black but there are prominent and highy reflective white areas too, but these don't apper in the bus's side paneling nor, I think, in the windows.
TY anon. THAT alone narrows the time of day from the bus stop info, 8am to 9.30pm for local buses now narrowed to 8am to 430-ish in afternoon. That would be before the wind storm really hit London during 23 DEC 2013.
I think. Need to verify.
Yes, in this view there are cable paths A thru E, in reverse order; E and D exchanged.
So there are variations in stars, shapes of sheets, and also which cable paths were occupied by sheets and stars. The anchors points appear to have persisted for about a decade.
Fantastic observ, fren. I do think the calm before the storm carries meaning in these pics. Approaching that with skepticism, despite my bias.
Everybody loves a parade.
What has the power to pause traffic in one of the busiest spots in London?
Weather. Main line break. Cyclists. Lights. Calendar. Moar.
Around corners
https://youtu.be/hIEmTMuSXVo
Anons, what is reflected against the bus panels, the front or the back of the bus stop sign? When exposure shifts, for whatever reason/s, what appears, re-appears, disappears?
Is there a light side and a dark side in the reflections against the side panels? The side dark area almost looks redacted but can you see around corners? Why is the Casino not reflected? Why not the mirror-like Cafe door?
To see a reflection, rather than a shadow, one must have an angle on a mirror. Source of light. Source of darkness. Sun overhead.
There is enough in that one pic to wonder if the view is of what is behind the camera rather than in front of the camera. But the reflections, are they front and rear? The upper deck windows almost look glazed over but they are not really. What is meant to be 'exposed'?
Questions without answers.
WWG1WGA
>we have some very gud diggers with us
Indeed. Welcome all to the London pics digz. Lots rummaged and tuned and moar yet to sort out.
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View of Thistle Hotel / NZ House
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SV MAY 2014
Sorry, anons, posting probs. Please check SV for images looking around the corner. Compare markers with RED BUS pic. Angles horizontal and vertical.
WWG1WGA
>RB picture taker might have been in the doorway of the Cafe de Paris?
Possible, yes. Could have been on the other side of the KFC window. Could have been at the entrance to the Casino. Might depend on use of zoom-in or cropping, also. But I do think that streetlevel in that area against the building is a virtual certainty.
The looking around the corner aspect comes in when you realize that the back of the bus stop sign is reflected in the red bus panels. Not the front that we see from the camera position.
Think of the reflection as a second camera position. We see two views, in effect, as one is from the corner of the building - the reflection - and the other is from the KFC window/Cafe doorway area.
The reason this dawned on me is that I searched for how it was possible for a large portion of the building was not reflected on the bus; the area you noted as the likely position of the camera. If you were the picture taker, would you not try to avoid placing yourself in the photo?
Well, given the back of the sign is reflected, and given taht the reflection is from a view at or around the corner, then, how to account for the largelyh 'blank' area on the bus panels and near the right side of the RED BUS pic?
I think I can illustrate a strong possibility. See pic.
A = Back of bus sign and nearby bus surface. Note that the bus front wheel is close to the limit in the kerb. Fair match with the position of in RED BUS.
B = Black blank area that would not create a strong contrasty reflection on the panels in RED BUS. Above that dark overhand of the Casino, are windows that do reflect in the RED BUS windows.
C = Arched window which is reflected in the RED BUS windows. The area between B and C is also reflected. Below is where the dark nonreflected area and the white facade are demarcated in the RED BUS reflections.
D = Narrow horizontal part of the window set above the white facade is reflected in RED BUS.
E = Red painted doorway of the KFC is reflected in RED BUS.
The puzzle was how a blank was 'drawn' on the right side of the RED BUS pic in terms of the reflection on the double decker. I think this is the solution.
The significance is not at once clear but I do think this shows us that the picture taker took care not to be in his or her own photo. Now it could be that we see a cropped image after the photo was produced. But I think not; I think the camera was aimed just so. And, interestingly, reflections helped to provide cues to locate the scene.
A phrase used in Q posts comes to mind, of course. Think Mirror.
What is the significance of a photo shared by Q which strongly suggests that the person on the camera was careful not to photograph him/herself?
In the foreground of RED BUS is a lady with long blonde hair and who shares a striking resembles with a certain CIA Director. If that is she, then, what is the additional significance of the photo taker being careful not to capture hime/herself in the image?
Might this picture have been taken with one of the two security cams near that position? Myabe, and yet it was not in the final picture. Where would it have reflected if it was a security camera?
Well, possibly the various bodies in the foreground managed to obscure the camera whether it was a security camera fixed to the building or a handheld camera on legs. Seems to me that a fixed camera would not have 'flexibility' to position itself out of the shot. But that might have been happenstance. On the other hand, it would be odd for someone with a camera not to draw attention of at least one or two of the passersby.
What do anons think? Do the reflections tell a story of significance or not?
I think it is useful to look at SV images that depict the scene in the same Timeframe, that is winter 2013/2014 - or around Christmas, perhaps.
So JAN 2018 is useful because of the overhead decorations captured. A look from around the corner illustrates the points in previous post. You can almost make out the reflection of the bus sign on the Tour Bus in this image. And in the second image you can sort out the various reflected parts of the building as seen in RED BUS.
This might assist with the dig on reflections from the decorations onto the rooftop or edge as seen in RED BUS.
Place the camera in the position you plotted and then show the angle at which the camera captured both the foreground sidewalk, the middleground bus, and the decoration fixing on the building across the street.
The yellow line is an estimate. Was the camera held at eye height or was it held lower in a sort of 'I'm not taking a picture' position?
RED BUS enhanced with much greater contrast.
Can anons see the round sign with the LETTER G reflected in the red panels of double decker?
^^^
In this comparison the traffic lines in the SV image are circled.
Drawn lines correspond with straight edges in RED BUS found in SV.
Unfortunately I messed up the straight edge of the kerbside against which the bus parked but it is close enough, I think, to help anons find the correspondending straight edges.
Find lines b and a in the comparison.
a = white line that cross the street
b = short yellow line that is perpendicular to white line
The angle of the camera view skews this in RED BUS and is less obscured in SV.
Keep in mind that this bus is parked at kerbside for the sake of passengers hopping in and off from the double decker's open platform in the rear. There is no passenger entry at front nor middle. Also, the driver pulls out of the spot toward the right, natch, hence the angled kerb ahead of front of the bus. Imagine pulling into and then out of the spot and how you might position against the kerbisde so as to not obstruct traffic but also hang the open platform just so for your passengers.
Prolly this explanation makes it seem moar complicated than actually is. The lady stood in the circle or partly in the circle drawn on the SV images discussed. Maybe she cross the street and stood on the kerb ahead of the bus. Her feet are more or less planted with hint of a small shuffle as if she was waiting there rather than moving into/out of that spot just out of the way of the pedestrian crossing.
Which of the memos are you intent on discussing and what is its significance? Thanks anon.
The Conservative MPs also insited on a cost-benefit analysis on lockdowns. The government hummed and hawed but finally produced a superficial analysis with little, if any, substantive backup. Very shoddy treatment of its own members and that should not be forgotten as future measures are floated, proposed, enacted, implemented, challenged.
Anon, the drawn lines are for reference. To point to the edges/lines that exist inside the pictures/images used to compare RED BUS with SV. These drawn lines are not boundaries plotted to pinpoint positions. Best to refer back to the edges/lines in RED PIC to which these drawn lines point.
Here are two SV images with drawn lines. Unfortunately it is difficult to get SV images that line-up with precision so am resorting to a flat look up Coventry to capture both sides of the street. If you can, enter SV 2014 and 2018 and compare notes to detail the two lines at issue - the broken yellow and the pedestrian crossing line.
You are right with your observation and should persue it and resolve it as best you can. Confusion is a gud starting place, always, for any dig or analysis. In fact, seeking points of confusion or points to reconcile are key to past discoveries in the London Pics digz all along the way.
Brilliant observ, fren.
We are all working this out. If my illustrations add to the confusion, it is important to fix that. And, if in the clarifications moar comes to light, that is a productive result.
Here is another illustration. Compare with RED BUS. Rough estimation of location of the front wheel and the front bumper.
This SV image is fairly flat from above. Note the shadows and where the light falls on the buildings.
The building and kerbside at bus stop are not parrallel as an anon pointed out upbread. Bus drivers sometimes leave the tailend hanging out but that would not be gud for the RML style open platform at the rear.
Could try aligning the yellow line in this pic with the RED BUS even if that means turning one or the other image upside down.
Consider not only the angle of the building/kerbside but also distances. Might take a shoebox, or imagine one, and draw evenly spaced lines on its flank. Then line it up parrallel to a table's edge. Mark the position of the camera in your model. Then reset it to mimic the building/kerbside angle. Observe the shortening effect in the view. Then push the front a bit away or bring the rear a bit closer. The shortening effect becomes more noticable.
Ooops, here's that above view.
^^^
Possibly the yellow line underfoot in RED PIC is the line along the kerbisde. See overhead pic. Turned the prev pic partly upside down with angle approx matching Q pic. From there imagine moving from above to streetlevel. I think this may resolve the puzzle.
The location is where three lines intersect. The yellow line at kerbside, the broken yellow line that demarcates bus stand, and the white line across the street for pedestrian crossing. In RED BUS only two of these are visible underfoot.
The 'yellow' line in RED BUS is barely yellow, in my view of the image. It might be the kerb itself, which is taller than the surface of road, of course, and may appear to intersect 'earlier' due to that height difference. IDK.
Now, all of this consideration is for the purpose of figuring the possible angles involved in the refelections on the bus.
I like what yo did there with the mirror doorway. The frame is dark and the bus panels could reflect into the mirror and so back onto the bus panels. Mirror mirror.
But there is the contrasty sign lettering that would undo all of that, I think. However, there are people in between that would have obscured the reflections at that lower level so might be neutral, in effect.
I think that the reflection as source and as 'view' projected onto the bus will provide us with moar than we know.
Above the doorway is that overhang which, on the portion near the building and the white facade is a sort of blank black. That is the area that seems blank on the double decker panels; above that can be seen reflections of the windows above the overhang. Not crystal clear but roughly.
By the way, the red-red reflection notion is validated, I think, by the appearance of the red painted areas, such as the KFC doorway, and how it is a blank red on the shiny bus panels.
Here is another attempt to line-up markers on the building and on the RED BUS shiny panels and windows. The RED BUS pic is flipped horizontally for ease of drawing the lines between markers.
I think there is distortion that stretches and shortens parts. The blank area on the panels may just be the blank side of the dark overhang; that aligns with the multipaned window above the overhang where there is a small balcony.
Then there is the demarcation between that blank area and the reflected white facade Again can align with wall between the windows reflected on the windows of the double decker. Perhaps due to the angle of camera and angle of bus to the building, there is an elongation that seems to have occured in the reflection.
Next can align the Coventry sign on the building, above the doorway area with the reflections on the bus panels and windows. Above is the set of broader windows, each with the narrow window across its top. To get a better view of those narrower windows, go to SV JUL 2014 and try different views of that area.
Now this serves just as a rough way to align certain markers. It can also show distortions in the reflections. It is a challenge to figure the angles but maybe that is not the main task in the analysis.
We are looking for markers to date the pic. The KFC facade underwent changes and some of these may not be very easy to detect in RED BUS. Thinking of the awnings for example which were either missing or were retracted during the moment at which RED BUS was captured. I do not see signs of those awnings and so that would be a possible basis for a closer Q match with pics we come across.
I like the examination of the possible reflections of overhead decorations and the associated support cables. I think we can say that given that there was a fixing on the building across the street, the pic was taken in Christmas Season, natch, when the overhead decorations were in place or being put in place or being adjusted or being taken down. I know, that's a very broad interval. Narrowing it may come when we figure thoe reflections on roof and in windows.
An observation about the man in the dark jacket, red touque, and tan coloured trousers. Seems have hands in the pockets of his jacket, which seems to be unzipped and open. He seems to be walking AWAY from the bus stand. Toward Swiss Court or Leicester Square; possibly heading to the McDonalds at the opposite corner. He is not heading to the front of the double decker.
The question might be where he going; but it coud also be whence has he trotted. His heading is contrary to that of the women in the foreground, long blonde hair and glasses, who is moving toward the rear of the double decker or more generally toward Piccadilly Circus.
Recall that the movement of a few individuals in the Piccadilly Circus pics was toward the Tube stair area, not necessariy the tube itself, and on the same side of the road as the RED BUS bus stand. If these Q pics represent a sequence, might the movement suggest following a target from the opposite side of the street; and possibly doing so in a team that crossing the target's path criss-cross but also passing by and so forth.
What if the sequence was movement from Piccadilly Circus to the bus stand.
Yep, the camera position is fairly well established by that method.
The pic does not appear to be doctored as far as the blank area on the shiny panels of the bus. Seems that upbread we found the likely cause of that effect. The established camera position supports it. This provides a good basis for new eyes who might ponder the possibility. Just another detail that strengthens the analysis overall.
Including how RED BUS shows a good deal of intentionality, such as avoiding the capture of the camera and the picture taker in the shot which features strong reflections that served as markers.
The camera position also helps with weighing the roof reflections that anons were digging so as to date the pic.
The sequence in which Q dropped the pics prolly carries more meaning than we have figured. The sequence for the EMB pics did not match the chronological sequence as per the movement within the camera frames. I think that holds with the WW and Piccadilly and the RED BUS pics. The cards were dealt and it is up to us to sort the hand, as it were.
All of these London Pics, with one exception - the black box pic at bus shelter - have been dated to winter of 2013/2014. Some dated more narrowly. Here the effort was aimed at narrowing the interval within the Christmas season. Until the fixing across the way was identified, we had no indication that RED BUS was taken during Christmas. Turns out that the interval for overhead decorations is roughly the same as the interval already established via the redevelopment of LSQ and the LG G2 sign in Piccadilly Circus. Might still have enough to narrow down to Christmas Week.
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The line at kerbside in this SV image, taken from doorway of Cafe, is a fairly gud Q match.
From Cafe, look up, connect the positons of the fastenings that anchored the decorations overhead. The decorations crossed over the bus stand and this may account for the white glare or reflection on the engine hood of the double decker bus in RED PIC. The positioning seems pretty gud and would support more direct pics of 2013/2014 that depict Christmas decorations that would show a reflection that resembled that in the Q pic.
Thinking the RED BUS was taken with an over-exposure due to the need to capture detail in foreground, incuding reflections in windows, at the cost of blowing out the details in the upper portion of the image. That is based on playing with the exposure of RED BUS as per vid upbread.
That said, anon suggested that 4.30-ish was a fairly gud estimate of time of day for Piccadilly Circus given that lamps appeared to be lit during daylight. The lamps were being lit up. If PC is in close sequence with RED BUS, which would make sense for other reasons, then, perhaps the overhead decorations were also being lit-up during daylight. That might account for the strong white reflection on the engine hood of the bus.
Camera position may not have been as far into the sidewalk as the camera positon evident in the SV 2017 pics from Cafe entrance.
Soooo.
Security camera on wall at that entrance may be better match with the perspective in RED BUS.
There were two security cameras at that spot. Different types. In SV 2014 images one camera pointed away from the scene of RED BUS while the other appears to provide potential for a gud Q match at street level. Need more direct evidence but looks ok.
The SV image is from MAY 2014. Wondering the awning came AFTER the RED BUS pic.
Re awnings at the KFC might suggest something about the sunlight that is cast on that building at certain times of day/ year. Thinking that the awnings were either not part of the facade at the time of the RED BUS pics or were not unfurled.
Apart from the presence of awnings at the time of the pic, what does the use of awnings at that location mean in terms of time of day and season.
In comparison with RED BUS, which might have been taken DEC 2013, the background looks more sunlit than the foreground. The shadow under the small child in foreground is soft and almost directly under. Where was the sun in the sky during DEC 2013 at, say, 430-sih, is one question. Was the bus stand in a shaded position, is another. What might the reflections suggest in terms of both questions.
SV MAY 2012 shows no awnings and shows KFC facade under refurbishment, including the whitening of the portion over the windows.
SV MAY 2014 shows awnings.
That would appear to leave a space of time during which the facade had been refurbished, at least partly, prior to installation of the awnings. Maybe anons can spot other facade markers that could date RED BUS. Anything in the Canadian's vids, IDK.
Grist for the mill. DEC 2016.
Decorations overhead of the bus stand.
Awning was present before 27 MAR 2013, as per this pic of exterior from under the awning at night.
Another pic showing awnings in place before 28 MAR 2013.
This infogrphic shows a tourist pic at the corner of the KFC building. On the right side of that pic is an awning; this is one of a set that appeared over the windows on both sides of the corner building. Compare with SV JUL 2012 without awning - and SV MAY 2014 with awning.
Next, in the tourist pic there is a reflection in the window above the corner entrance. That depicts the building kitty corner, THE COMMUNICATIONS HOUSE, before redevelopment had begun. This can be compared with a view of that building in SV JUL 2012. Of course, by SV MAY 2014 the building was shrouded for construction work.
So direct evidence that the gray awnings over the KFC windows were in place sometime before 28 MAR 2013, which is the date on which this tourist pic had been posted.
Anons will recall that 23 MAR 2014 is the date on which a stock photo captured the dropping of the shroud over the roof and upper windows of THE COMMUNICATIONS HOUSE. So this tourist pic predates that event.
Not sure can spot these awnings in RED BUS. If they were not installed at that time, then, this is a new marker. Not in SV JUL 2012 but in tourist pics posted 27 and 28 MAR 2018, the latter pre-dating redevelopment across the way.
Oye, of course 28 MAR 2013 pre-dates redevelopment of COMMUNICATIONS HOUSE, which started in MAR 2014.
Doh.
Awell. Still, the awnings were not unfurled in RED BUS pic. Or were they. On closer scrutiny, yeh, prolly were in place just distorted a lot in the reflection.
Kek.
This SV MAY 2014 pic sums-up quite a lot, if anons look for the markers that have been discussed, such as the anchor points for decoratin fixings, the sign for hours of local bus use of bus stand, the intersection of traffic lines on road surface, the black 'blank' side of the Casino overhang, and the location of a security camera on wall by entrance to Cafe de Paris.
Sauce please.
Focussing on the lower deck windows in RED BUS pic. Looking into the interior to compare the windows in the foreground with the windows in the background. The offset suggests the angle of the parked bus to the plane of the camera view; from that can infer the reflection angles.
The effect is to ''compress' the left side of the camera frame's capture of the reflections; or, stretch the right side. By compress and stretch I mean in comparison with the bus dimensions at the kerbside.
This PIC crops the windows for the sake of discerning the offset of the near side of bus and its farside; from this discern the angles.
The purpose is to support the next post which overlays drawn lines that represent the nearside of the bus, but looked at from the farside of the bus and looking through to the building. The trick is to imagine the reflection returning off the building back to the panels and windows on the nearside of the bus.
Pictures may reduce the confusion. Willl try to illustrate with as little clutter as possible.
THE POINT is to find markers to date the pic. Not exactly a needle in haystack but more like looking through many pieces of jigsaw puzzle to sort out which puzzles fit and which to put aside for now.
Yes, that could be a very effective marker. Had thought about it because that KFC signage was in different position in 2012 and in other images of the shopfront. Stands to reason that at some point it was not on the facade because of moving from one spot to the other.
For now, can we say with certainty that this 3-letter signage does NOT appear in RED BUS?
And, yeh, the awnings are very difficult to discern. I have gone from seeing them to not seeing them and back again. So, this is another potential marker that first has to be established with greater certainty. Are the awnings in place in RED PIC?
>But if anons should ask, we can maybe have an answer.
That is wise. Where there is possible confusion, best to be prepared to either clarify or to concede ambiguity; and then to understand how that impacts the dating of the pic, if there is any impact, and possibly also, as future proves past, how it might have bearing on anaysis. Even if we do not arrive at a clear answer, we can have anticipated the confusion for new eyes. In the meantime, this helps our digz because it opens our minds, and eyes, to apparent contradicitons that are likely resolvable.
TY Anon.
Here is an infographic with an attempt to illustrate the relative position of the reflected facade onto the nearside, or kerbside, panels and windows of the double decker bus.
Feel free to mark-up as needed to communicate observs or to highlight areas of ambiguity that may need to be reconciled with what we think we already know.
This infographic is skelatal. From the lines of perspective you might infer the angles of the nearside of the bus and the camera plane and, by futher inference, the buillding's reflection onto the panels and windows.
The drawn lines further support the deduction of the location of the camera that captured RED PIC. Keep in mind that the open platform at the rear of the bus has been left out of frame, for whatever reason. Also, based on these lines, where might you expect to see the camera's reflection? Is that position in frame?
Appreciate the use of three sauces, fren. Very interesting. The notion of a colour scheme returns. It was useful in past digz.
Between summer and Christmas the 3-letter signage changed. Thinking you may be right about the change in bus sign providing a tighter bookend, but if we can find pictorial evidence of this KFC change, that would lend support. For now we have only indirect evidence for the earliest that the bus sign changed. There's the 31 OCT 2013 approval of the change; and there's the start of prep for the redevelopment in DEC-MAR period. For KFC, can imagine the signage on shopfront would be ready BEFORE Christmas just as a seasonal upgrade some shops in high traffic areas would undertake. Only inference and indirect evidence. Conjecture. So, direct evidence of either change, bus sign or 3-letter KFC signage, would firm-up the interval for RED BUS.
>where might you expect to see the camera's reflection? Is that position in frame?
See pic. How much of what is seen in the window is the other side of the street and how much is a reflection of ths side of the street, IDK.
As an aside, this sort of detail impresses me by how clever the picture taker was - or at least the selector of this image was. If you have ever fimed or recorded scenes in which it would be intrusive, for the viewer, to notice the camera or the camera work, you might appreciate what I mean here by 'clever'.
While we can see through the lower deck windows to the other side of the street, the perspective of the camera in RED BUS means we see through the near windows but not the far side windows; instead we see the roof of the interior upper deck and so that allows for the reflections to be better dileneated on the pane of the nearside windows. That said, there is quite a bit of light shone on the other side of the street such that we have a well-lit view of that side through the lower deck windows.
This illustrates the area of the double decker's rear platfrom that is just out of frame in RED BUS pic. The winder staircase up to the upper deck is prolly seen thru the last lower window in RED BUS. There appears to be at least one lady, back to camera and facing the platform, who is about to step into the bus.
Fren, please mark on this pic where would you expect to see the 3-letter KFC signage in the RED BUS pic, if it was in its position as per the Cdn's vid?
Keep in mind that the bus stop sign's backside is reflected on the bus panel, not the side that faces the camera. There appears to be a lot of 'compression' of the reflection as captured from the camera's position.
Looking for either red or white KFC signage in that lefthand or front part of the bus, I think.
Excellent photo, fren. The view out of one of the KFC windows remains a possible camera position, natch. Check the perspective lines in pic posted upbread. Suggests that the camera position was at the 4th-from-left window, which is near the right side of the RED BUS pic. That is under the 'blank' area on bus panels.
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The position highlighted would be over the entrance to KFC, below and to the left of the Coventry street sign, looking toward the building from the kerb.
see >>13935832
The red 3-letter signage appears to be over the window that is closer to the corner of the building, as per SV JUL 2014. That is the position of the white version of that signage, as per CDN's NYE vid. In SV JUL 2012, the 3-letter signage was over the other window, next to the Cafe entrance.
Have you spotted the 3-letter signage over the KFC entrance?
The corner edge of the building shows in the reflection as a white highlight near front of the bus. There is a quite a bit of compression in the reflection, due to perspective and the angle of the building-to-side-of-bus.
In these pics, the corner edge is in yellow circle and the coventry street sign is in black square. Track from the 'blank' area of reflection on bus panel, which is the dark portion of the overhang above cafe entrance. Werk from there to the building corner.
The upshot is that, to my eye, the 3-letter signage, if it is in the RED BUS pic, would b e over the bus engine hood, reflected below the uppder deck window. The reflection is 'compressed' and hard to read there. IDK one way or the other if I see the signage or not. Red or white.
In the reflection in the upper deck windows, what is above the the Coventry street doorway ie side entrance? And what is above the 1st window?
Anons, do you think the woman in white coat, with phone to ear, also appeared in WW pics near the tree sign/map display? That's a notion raised in prev breads and it has grown on me.
Added two highlights for two positions on the facade and corresponding positions in reflection on bus. See rectangles on right side of RED BUS pic and corresponding left side of the infographic that looks through bus outline toward building facade.
https://www.mooncalc.org/#/51.5066,-0.1227,16/2013.12.23/01:52/1/3
Will attempt to use your basic data to produce a short video on the lunar werk to-date. Please advise on the essential starting data and the variables.
Q 1720
When does a bird sing?
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Q 1721
Keep your promise.
This is not a game.
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Q 1722
Public awareness forces hand.
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Q 1723
PS round 2.
[Lead investigator HRC/Russia].
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Q 1724
Warning to UK?
Decipher re: last.
[Redacted FISA].
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Q 1725
07949FC4-4787-4F9B-B8C8-C81724DAA4BA.png
Q 1726
9804A8E8-0FEF-4858-90D7-CB8790361DE9.jpeg
Q 1727
Anonymous ID: 10fc9e No.2311235📁
Jul 27 2018 11:32:54 (EST)
Gina Haspel
The CIA London Station is the main centre of the US Central Intelligence Agency in the UK.
Station chief (COS) Un-named woman c-2009
Those ordered to testify include the former CIA chief, Porter J Gross. Another is a woman who is not publicly named who heads the agency's London station. She previously worked as the chief of staff for the head of the CIA's clandestine branch, Jose Rodriguez, who is the focus of the investigation.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/03/cia-al-qaida-guantanamo-interrogation📁
Q 1786
Q !CbboFOtcZs ID: 55f6a6 No.2359109📁
Jul 30 2018 15:57:32 (EST)
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf📁
>Nicholas Rasmussen (IMPORTANT name to remember)
>Former Director of NCTC
https://www.mccaininstitute.org/staff/nicholas-rasmussen/📁
Think FISA.
Think NO NAME.
WH visitor logs: NO NAME/HUSSEIN (dates?)
WH visitor logs: NO NAME/BRENNAN/HUSSEIN (dates?)
WH visitor logs: NO NAME/BRENNAN/COMEY/HUSSEIN (dates?)
WH visitor logs: NO NAME/BRENNAN/CLAPPER/RICE/HUSSEIN (dates?)
Replaced by:
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/nctc-who-we-are/director-nctc📁
>Defense Intelligence Liaison to British Intelligence in London
Think UK.
Current Director of the C_A.
https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/leadership/gina-haspel.html📁
(UK bio removed)
>CIA's station chief London, UK
"Furthermore, Haspel is seen as a Russia expert and a close ally of Britain’s MI6, having being London station chief from 2014 to 2017."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/08/gina-haspel-cia-director-atone-past📁
The more you know.
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Q 3762
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: d073d4 No.7643247📁
Dec 28 2019 12:33:17 (EST)
DjYhS_OUUAAFgwK.jpg⬇
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1210593915008638976📁
Haspel made Dir for a specific reason?
Brennan 'tapped' directly for support?
Brennan CLAS SEC DIV spy_T?
IF C_A WAS RUNNING BLACK OP [spy_T] IN UK WOULD HASPEL [STATION CHIEF] BE INFORMED AND INSTRUCTED?
MI6?
Meeting(s) w/ Durham?
The only way to restore faith is through transparency and accountability.
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Q 3763
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: d073d4 No.7643289📁
Dec 28 2019 12:35:25 (EST)
Q !!Hs1Jq13jV6 ID: d073d4 No.7643247📁
Dec 28 2019 12:33:17 (EST)
DjYhS_OUUAAFgwK.jpg⬇
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1210593915008638976📁
Haspel made Dir for a specific reason?
Brennan 'tapped' directly for support?
Brennan CLAS SEC DIV spy_T?
IF C_A WAS RUNNING BLACK OP [spy_T] IN UK WOULD HASPEL [STATION CHIEF] BE INFORMED AND INSTRUCTED?
MI6?
Meeting(s) w/ Durham?
The only way to restore faith is through transparency and accountability.
Q
page1-926px-Gina_C.Haspel-_CIA_Career_Timeline,_1_May_2018.jpg⬇
>>7643247
Geo location 2015-2017?
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Q 582
Q !UW.yye1fxo ID: f2d4bd No.127154📁
Jan 22 2018 14:05:49 (EST)
:stay at home<
[-7]
DR_noon_clear_sky^
Safe comms_SAT-re_Bz985300^00
Q
23 MAR 2020, Stay at Home, UK PM Address
https://youtu.be/PPhf8LfrS_c
Q 784
Q !UW.yye1fxo No.99📁
Feb 16 2018 20:26:57 (EST)
NSA_Traf_CAM_LONDON2847.png⬇
[UK] - Stay Alert.
Q
11 MAY 2020, Stay Alert, UK PM Address
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8HC5sOHzus
STAY ALERT
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-what-the-uks-five-covid-alert-levels-mean-11996272
The UK introduced a COVID alert level system in May 2020 to reflect the degree of threat to the country from the virus.
The system involves a scale of one to five, with five being the highest threat, and determines how much pressure the NHS is under and how strict the levels of social distancing need to be.
There was no plan to return to pre-covid normalcy. Control this virus; tracing contacts, testing hundreds of thousands daily; conditional plan re toughness on restrictions.
Detect local flare ups.
Q 3086
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI ID: dc4561 No.5703651📁
Mar 15 2019 13:26:40 (EST)
/CM/ stay alert
Q
Note that there are the 'essential workers' who can't work from home and who are thus more exposed than those privileged to stay at home. Not even remotely reasonable in concept much less in implementation.
This gives new meaning to the Q message, UK - Stay Alert.
https://www.conservatives.com/news/stay-alert-control-the-virus-save-lives
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1264441895603888128
Note the hinged mechanism on the underside of the awning that opens and closes. If I am not mistaken, there is a flap at the end that overhangs when awning is open and, it would seem, also when the awning is closed against the top of window. So this flap would appear in images whether open or not. That could explain some of the odd shapes in the RED BUS reflection; not that the flap was blowing around as there does not seem much wind in the the long hair of pedestrians, but that the aluminum sheeting might have more to distort, if you see what I mean.
Need direct evidence re awnings open vs closed 2013/2014; preferably during daylight.
Given the posts upbread regarding Cafe De Paris, aka CPD, I think the hidden camera, as it were, may have moar meaning re Secret Societies. No hard evidence just inference from coinkidenks.
Awning over window that is situated between the side entrance Coventry Street and the corner entrance Wardour Street. Enhanced to better reveal hinged mechanism for opening and closing the awning. Note the flap on upper left side of photo. Pic posted 27 MAR 2013.
https://www.cafedeparis.com/private-hire/
Double decker bus likely a PRIVATE HIRE. Cafe de Paris also does PRIVATE HIRE. Perhaps the origins of the surveillence depended on PRIVATE HIRE/S. The double decker may or may not be the transport for the event at the CDP, if that is what is meant by a mirror reflection on the bus, but it does have an open platform.
Note the crown in the logo.
Noice observ.
25 Mar 2013
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-chortle-comedy-awards-2013-at-cafe-de-paris-featuring-duncan-jameslee-70655260.html
Chortle Comedy Awards 2013 at Cafe de Paris
Looting was rife in London during WWII.
https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/10-facts-about-crime-on-the-home-front-in-the-second-world-war/
On one day in November 1940, 20 of the 56 cases listed for hearing at the Old Bailey concerned looting offences. The total number of cases for the four months of the Blitz to the end of December was 4,584. When the Café de Paris restaurant and nightclub in Piccadilly suffered a direct hit by the Luftwaffe in 1941, rescuers had to battle their way through looters that were fighting to tear rings and other jewellery from the dead revellers. There were many cases in which looters weren’t just criminals and members of the public: firemen, wardens and other members of the defence forces often joined in too.
https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/7/2018/01/WW220crime202-0018191.jpg?webp=true&quality=90&resize=581%2C413
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caf%C3%A9_de_Paris_(London)
https://www.bighospitality.co.uk/Article/2020/12/21/Maxwell-s-Restaurant-Group-collapses-due-to-Coronavirus-impact-400-jobs-losses-Tropicana-Beach-Club-Cafe-de-Paris-and-Maxwell-s-Bar-and-Grill?utm_source=copyright&utm_medium=OnSite&utm_campaign=copyright
The Cafe de Paris, the Trial of Elvira Barney and the death of Snakehips Johnson
http://www.nickelinthemachine.com/2009/09/the-cafe-de-paris-the-trial-of-elvira-barney-and-the-death-of-snakehips-johnson/
The Cafe de Paris, unlike the majority of theatres and nightclubs in the West End, remained open at the start of the second world war. This was probably because of the rich and famous patrons having a slight influence on the wartime licensing regulations, however it was said that the dance-floor was so far underground that it would be completely safe when the air-raid sirens sounded.
On Saturday 8th March 1941 Ken ‘Snakehips’ Johnson and the West Indian Orchestra were playing at the Cafe de Paris as usual. While carefully not mentioning the actual club or the band leader (due to wartime censorship) Time magazine reported what happened subsequently:
The orchestra at London’s Cafe de Paris gaily played Oh, Johnny, Oh Johnny, How You Can Love! At the tables handsome flying Johnnies, naval Jacks in full dress, guardsmen, territorials, and just plain civics sat making conversational love. The service men were making the most of leave; the civilians were making the most of the lull in bombings of London.
Sirens had sounded. Most of London had descended into shelters, but to those in the cabaret, time seemed too dear to squander underground. Bombs began to fall near by: it was London’s worst night raid in weeks. The orchestra played Oh, Johnny a little louder.
Then the hit came. What had been a nightclub became a nightmare: heaps of wreckage crushing the heaps of dead and maimed, a shambles of silver slippers, broken magnums, torn sheet music, dented saxophones, smashed discs.
A special constable with the rather splendid name Ballard Berkeley was one of the first on the scene. He saw Snakehips Johnson decapitated and elegantly dressed people still sitting at tables seemingly almost in conversation, but stone dead. He was shocked to see looters, mingling with the firemen and the police, cutting the fingers from the dead to get at their expensive rings. Ballard Berkeley many years later became famous as the actor who played the major in Fawlty Towers.
In 1929 British International Pictures released Piccadilly starring the beautiful Chinese-American actress Anna May Wong. The scene where Wong’s character Shosho performs her exotic dance in front of an adoring nightclub crowd was filmed in location at the Cafe de Paris. The film also includes a brief appearance from Charles Laughton playing a gluttonous diner – his first feature film performance.
In 1948, the Cafe de Paris was refurbished and seven years after the tragic death of Snakehips Johnson the doors reopened. Although it was again graced by royalty, notably Princess Margaret, the club never really regained its sophisticated aura it had before the war.
The only evening of note I can find was on 29th September 1965 when Lionel Blair introduced, to an extremely grateful public no doubt, his new dance called ‘The Kick’.I’m not sure but I don’t think it was a storming success.
Eyes Wide Open: Welcome To London’s Latest Secret Society
MAR 2014
http://www.thisiscabaret.com/eyes-wide-open-welcome-londons-latest-secret-society/
As you approach the door of Cafe de Paris on the bustling pavement of Coventry Street you will be greeted by friendly door staff. You will need to bring evidence of your purchased tickets and some identification. You will be invited to leave your coats and bags in their complimentary cloakroom, after which you will be walked through into the world famous ‘Titanic Ballroom’ or up to the glorious mezzanine space.
When the show has finished, the second round of debauchery begins and guests are encouraged to enjoy the atmosphere of this iconic venue until 3am.
Cafe De Paris - Soho, London
Opening Times : Fri & Sat 6pm-3am, Dinner 7pm, Show 8pm
he VIP area offers plush red beds to get recumbent on, a great vantage point from which to view the dancefloor. The music tracks toward the commercial yet avoids any overly pungent fromage. For a taste of the Parisian heyday without the haute-couture pressure, Cafe de Paris is a prime suspect, worthy of your investigation.
https://www.innerplace.co.uk/social-concierge/clubs/cafe-de-paris/
>close-ups of the Millbank building with labels please?
Will get on that. Any other images needed?
Some vids in the meantime.
JAN 2013, NIGHT VIEW
https://youtu.be/sKkwBNf7qVE
MILLBANK TOWER, DUSK, Reference
https://youtu.be/zgJWut2jqmE
LisaMI6 Enhanced
https://youtu.be/WLIkiqwZ_3Y
EMBANKMENT PICS COMPARED
https://youtu.be/SSfVL0_ZBwc
EMB OVERLAYS v1, BB as ref, start/end LisaMI6.
https://youtu.be/3q7cdC6MbGg
Big Ben used as ref point for layering EMB pics down according to drop sequence. LisaMI6 presents largest representation of BB and is used to start the overlay; it is the last in the drop sequence and so ends the overlay.
Look for details that distinguish each EMB pic; and details that bridge it to any othere EMB pic. The sequence in this version, OVERLAY v1, shows a movement from centre to left to right as the camera rotated; the LisaMI6 view of the TATT from the footbridge was taken from the left of the other EMB pics, of course, but that is not animated here with BB as reference point for the overlay sequence.
>>>13943613
Thinking could do an 'overlay' based on close-up on Millbank Tower, if that would help illustrate what you had in mind.
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>13943721
SV DEC 2017
FIXINGS and anchors and decorations overhead.
Moar fixings, SV DEC 2017
Fixings, SV DEC 2017.
SV JAN 2018, position of open top double decker in the bus stand vis-a-vis the kerbside at CAFE DE PARIS.
Unlike the opent top double decker used for modern tours in streets of London, the RML in RED BUS does not have a front door for passengers. It has a rear platform that is doorless. As a consequence, the orientation of these two types of buses differ when pulling into and out of the parking area next to the kerbside.
In RED BUS the passenger entry is just off camera. Quite specifically, that platform is the demarcation line on the other side of the camera frame. It is a precise cropping, whether by an edit or by framing while the photo was taken. Also cut off is the sign that is positioned above the entrance which would have narrowed the identification of that particular vehicle. What has been ommitted may carry sufficient significance that it could unlock the past for our dig.
Looking closely, you might just makeout the side of the winder staircase that takes passengers from platform on the lower deck to the upper deck seating.
The way an RML used to operate was to have a driver focused on driving; he or she would sit in a cab out front, over the front wheels, with no obstruction in view of the streat ahead and peripherally on three sides. The cab is divided from passengers by a window behind the driver.
Meanwhile, standing at the rear platfrom, and also wandering the aisles between seats, a conductor interacted with passengers. This meant collecting fairs for tickets and such; this meant aiding passengers in finding their stops or even figuring out which bus connections to make and the like. The conductor also communicated with the driver through a simple two button code. The conductor would let the driver know when a passenger need to step off; and when a passenger stepping on was safetly aboard.
Another part of the communications included the dispatch radio; at dispatch there would be individuals on the radio but also supervisors who'd sort out traffic and passenger loads during peak and off hours. For isntance, a driver might loop back on a short portion of the longer route so as to help during rush periods. Or pick up the pace where another bus got locked into jams or taken out of the route due to mechanical issues. The efforts behind the scenes kept the fleet moving thorugh the streets of London.
For a private hire one might expect much less coordination via dispatch as the fleets are smaller and typically one vehicle would suffice with each assignment. Quite possibly the conductor would play a different role for 'guests' or members of parties who'd travel as passengers on a double decker. Likey the driver would have more interaction as part of the service. Private hires prolly did not rely on individuals purchasing fares and had less interaction on the basis of helping passengers with stops. Uusally a private hire would include a tour, so as to give the double decker experience, and take a designated group to various events or venues, as a group, rather than as individuals flowing in traffic.
Both driver and conductor would be 'costumed' as part of the package, natch. THE BUS itself would be a big 'character' in the notion of riding a vintage London iconic vehicle.
In RED BUS there is neither a driver nor a passenger in the camera frame. But there is a building due to be gutted and redeveloped with portions of its facade preserved, THE COMMUNICATONS HOUSE. Also, this pic was taken with the camera's back to the entrance to CAFE DE PARIS. We have discussed the french connexions in previous breads.
For now, in my mind, this RED BUS gives us the message of a transit point, to which passengers have arrived and from which they will depart for other destinations. This, I think is a key part of the context this pic holds in the sequence from Piccadilly Circus to Winter Wonderland.
We have seen in SV that such double deckers have been parked outside of The Corinthia Hotel. In open source vids, such buses, including the open top ORIGINAL TOUR buses and the shiny vintage buses, have been captured on the streets of London such as EMBANKMENT and WHITEHALL.
Here is the related pic of bus in space at kerbside, JAN 2018.
There have been no people in Australia who have caught COVID and passed away.
Direct quote from Australian government's Health Minister.
How then was it ever declared a pandemic? By gutting useful words of their meaning, that's how.
Happy father's day. Oh, wait, what is the meaning of the useful word, father?
Odd isn't it, that the difference between men and women must be ngated, that the meaning of words like mother and father must be gutted of significance, for the vast majority of us. BUT the difference between man and woman MUST be paramount when the cultural marxists insist that same-sex attraction is just what someone is born with; THEN differences really, really, really matter. Or when someone desires to 'transition' from one sex to the other THEN the difference is of such world-shaking importance that drugs and surgery must be endured for the sake of having been 'born that way'. Gut useful words of their meaning. Destroy the very notion that arises out of reality - born that way - and undermine society as thoroughly as possible when it comes to something as basic and essential and sexual complementarity and its significance to the lives of children and families. Throw these neutron bombs in schools and in courtrooms around the world. The half-life of the radioactive poison outlasts the initial blasts. AND ALL IS LOST.
Today we have witnessed the gutting of the useful word, pandemic; the useful medical term, case; the useful viology term, vaccine, the useful political word, vote, and the useful legal term, rights and freedoms. Gut the words of meaning and the neutron bomb effect will persist for generations until we lose the vocabulary to describe real things and to describe our experiences and our own lives and our hopes and aspirations become empty space punctuated by grunts and thumps.
This is the world we created.
EVERY THING HAS MEANING.
Fight, fight, fight.
Happy FATHER's Day.
Letter to Indian Prime Minister, from eminent Indian Doctors.
It is our humble appeal to stop the spread of misinformation and fear amongst the citizens. In the absence of any evidence to prove deaths due to the Novel Coronavirus, the need of the hour is to halt the ongoing vaccination drive, uplift the lockdown, bring back the normalcy and promote natural immunization.
https://biswaroop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Open-Letter-to-Honble-PM-Narendra-Modiji.pdf
Indian Bar Association serves legal notice on WHO for 'disinformation' - British Ivermectin Recommendation Development group
https://bird-group.org/indian-bar-association-serves-legal-notice-on-who-for-disinformation/
AIRBNB HAS A SECRET “BLACK BOX” TEAM TO SHIELD NEGATIVE PRESS BY PROVIDING MILLIONS IN HUSH MONEY.
https://liveandletsfly.com/airbnb-black-box/
>AIRBNB
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/05/airbnb-homelessness-renting-housing-accommodation-social-policy-cities-travel-leisure
https://www.alamy.com/london-uk-18th-december-2013-the-widow-of-murdered-soldier-lee-rigby-image64678302.html
https://www.alamy.com/london-uk-18th-december-2013-crowds-flock-to-wonderland-to-enjoy-the-image64673827.html
https://www.alamy.com/london-uk-18th-december-2013-boris-johnson-attempted-to-answer-questions-image64589232.html
https://www.alamy.com/london-uk-18th-december-2013-crowds-flock-to-wonderland-to-enjoy-the-image64673826.html
>>13897904, >>13934566, >>13898430
RED BUS pic, Bus stop sign.
Anons, we have already documented the evidence that the flag on the bus stop sign changed after the City approved the need for bus stands during the upcoming redevelopment work on THE COMMUNICATIONS HOUSE.
>>13897904 depicts the flag before and after that change which occurred some time between 1 NOV 2013 and 23 MAR 2014.
The time interval for this marker can be narrowed based on the scheduled start of redevelopment, which in turn was based on the then-planned start of tenants vaccating the building, which was DEC 2013. It turns out that there was preparation work, on the outside of the building, in anticipation of scaffolding and shrouding in mid MARCH 2014. Without direct pictorial evidence, we can reasonably surmise that equipment had been moved into place BEFORE 23 MAR 2014, which was a Sunday. Make that about 2 weeks prior. Now, I think that as tenants moved out, the work prep began inside the building and so various access points were setup. Would love to have more on that process. Trailers were setup on the park-side of the building, eventually, and an entry point was established on Whitcomb Street, eventually, as per SV images of 2014. None of that happened overnight, natch.
That said, here is an infographic based on the calendar from 1 DEC 2013 to end of MAR 2014. Have bracketed for the prep work outside the building prior to 23 MAR 2014; have bracketed the appearance of the Police Box, as per Canadian's vid of NYE, perhaps too generously altho previous appearances of such a box persisted for about 6 months, such as in 2012. The rest is pretty much a work in progress with mostly blanks.
And here is an additional tidbit that might help diggerz who are all over the KFC facade and any changes that might have occured in features there.
The bus stop flag change is one thing; there was also a change to the ORIGINAL TOUR signage on the same sign pole. Recall the vid of the long steadicam of SEP 2012. The camera moved past the KFC/Bus Stannd area and recorded the face of the tour signage and this can be compared with the tour signage in RED BUS. See close-up pics.
Perhaps anons can take a looksee for significant differences. To my eye, the earlier sign might depict a regular double decker bus rather than a double decker; and the later sign, in RED BUS, has no image of a bus. Anons might disagree, which is all good, on the depiction of the bus in the earlier sign. Looking for your observs.
In any case, there were at least two changes to the signage on the bus stop sign pole. The flag at top was changed; and the original tour info was also changed. These may have changed at the same time or not. But both changes are depicted in the RED BUS pic.
Got moar on the KFC shopfront.
>To my eye, the earlier sign might depict a regular double decker bus rather than a double decker; and the later sign, in RED BUS, has no image of a bus.
Typo correkshun -
To my eye, the earlier sign might depict a regular double decker bus rather than an open top double decker …
Steadicam vid, for reference, mark 3 minutes.
https://youtu.be/IYPdnZVwB3c
The 12 SEP 2013 vid shows how busy was the route from Piccadilly Circus to Coventry Street/ Whitcomb Street. On a Sunday night, no less.
The KFC shpfront was well-captured in the vid. Interestingly, we get a great view of the moveable awnings on the Coventry side of the building. The one closest to Cafe de Paris (CDF) is shown as open; and the other near the corner is shown as folded closed. So in the vid we have views of awnings open and closed.
Compare against the reflection shown in RED BUS. There is much distortion in the shiny panels of the bus, however, some features can be discerned. There is a junction box above the window nearest CDF and that appears in RED BUS. The entry on this side of the building is setback from the windows; over the entry, at the facade, is a permanent overhang that prolly serves same purpose as awnings re the intrusion of harsh sunlight at certain angles. This overhang appears to be captured in the distorted reflection in RED BUS.
And there is a big of KFC signage on a bracket between entrance and window. This is just barely discernible in RED BUS, as anon discussed upbread. Not clear cut; ambiguous enough to obscure the marker.
Anyway, I think comparison of 12 SEP 2012 with RED BUS, and with other images such as from SV, help to match-up the shopfront with the reflection on shiny panels in RED BUS.
That said, seems the moveable awning, next to CDF, was not open in RED BUS. On that basis, can speculate, that this would be in accord with the notion that a windy storm was either on its way or had just been experienced. Call it 'battening down the hatches'.
Coincidentally, that phrase is a nautical term and refers to protecting the lower deck in times of trouble, such as rough seas.
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/batten-down-the-hatches.html
Example
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/715288/UK-weather-Britain-storm-wind-gales-rain-October/amp
The challenge for diggerz is to find evidence of the earliest appearance of the police box structure. When it appeared in DEC 2013 would provide a potential marker for the latests that RED BUS could have been taken, if taken in 2013. On the other hand, evidence of the latest appearance of the police box, after NYE 1 JAN 2014, could provide a marker for the interval prior to the 23 MAR 2014 at which time changes were made to that street corner that persisted well into 2014 and beyond.
So the police box is a stake in the ground, diggerz. Its first appearance could mark the latest that RED BUS could have been taken during 2013 or its removal could mark the earliest that RED BUS could have been taken during 2014.
In its own way, this marker is like the advert boards on the handrails at the HISPANIOLA. It provides the demaracation between one of two very close intervals of which only one can be true.
Thots, anons?
>>13878947, >>13881021, >>13879375, >>13971180
The BLUE POLICE BOX marker.
When did it first appear in 2013?
When did it last appear in 2014?
Decisive marker that does NOT appear in RED BUS.
The fixing in RED BUS indicates that the overhead decorations were in place. Those got installed during NOV 2013. The flag on the bust stop ple changed no earlier than 1 NOV 2013.
Anons, please confirm the earliest that the overhead decorations could have been in place. Mid-NOV is my recollection but this was documented in news stories linked in previous bread.
Both the changed flag and the decorations appeared in RED BUS. Plus the change in the Original Tour's signage on the pole at bus stand. ALL 3 must be present to provide the best starting point for the time interval for RED BUS. If we get 2 out of 3, that would be a big step forward. Get 3 out of 3 and boom.
For emphasis, the awnings over the KFC shopfront are heavily distorted in reflection on the side panels of double decker in RED BUS, but if the awning nearest CDF was folded closed, THAT would lend support to the CHRISTMAS WEEK interval because of the wind storm of that month. Is not decisive, but supportive. Not direct, but indirect.
The lack of strong wind is evident in RED BUS when you observ the long hair on pedestrians. Not blowing around. THIS could depict the still before, or after, the wind storm.
This would support the chronological connexion with the EMBANKMENT pics as per the unique appearance of a sidewalk signboard in ROT1 which has been documented as having been in place 22 DEC 2013. No other pics of that signboard have been found, so far. See >>13836339
The very high tide depicted in EMB pics also lends support to the time interval that is based on the wind storm.
See >>13788891 and >>13781376 and >>13782073 prev bread.
Bracket 22-24 DEC 2013 re storm pending, happening, aftermath.
Also note, for reference, that the Piccadilly Circus snowglobe was installed mid NOV 2013, on the 18th. Its plastic bubble was wrecked in the storm on 23 DEC 2013 but was scheduled to stay up until 4 JAN 2014. Its reduced form was recorded in the Canadian's vid of NYE.
If we are leaning toward DEC 2013 for dating the London Pics, then, while feeling the momentum please also maintain a sketpical attitude and test each factoid being uncovered. Make this rock solid, anons.
^^^
Winston Churchill Speech 'The End Of The Beginning' 20th November 1942
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3rw83g
Now, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Anons, what if the Original Tour company made a calculated decision to deploy a vintage double decker, with its closed roof, during the day or two of the pending wind storm? Might have been better for business than the open top tour buses.
Two instances of '27', stylized somewhat.
Black Triangle
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/7/21-0096_article
See FIGURE, 'black triangle indicates ferret, open triangle indicates mink' re SARS-COV-2 study.
Natural SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Kept Ferrets, Spain.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/7/21-0096_article
What is the difference between ferret and mink?
Noice find. So turning on Christmas lights would have the power to empty a popular street of traffic. Could explain people milling about seemingly waiting for something. But not in 2013/2014 winter.
Still something to keep in back of mind, perhaps.
>https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-23rd-june-2021
Was there not a 75th anniversary re WWII and the spitfire? IDK thinking of UK icons in a tourist shop.