Anonymous ID: 2c9c1a Bridges & Maps # 7 Nov. 16, 2021, 9:19 a.m. No.15012526   🗄️.is 🔗kun

Good day to anons reading this,

 

This thread is going to be an attempt to build the Qmap by building the bridges and making the connections between different issues & threads, as well as finding out the truth about the REAL history of mankind. It’s all about digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs, digs…

 

Link to:

Bridges & Maps 3: https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/6687429.html

Bridges & Maps 4: https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/9207873.html

Bridges & Maps 5: https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/13198790.html

Bridges & Maps 6: https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/13718828.html

 

Archives of :

Bridges & Maps 1: http://archive.is/yzA4B

Bridges & Maps 2: https://archive.is/VbcWi

Anonymous ID: 2c9c1a Nov. 16, 2021, 9:24 a.m. No.15012547   🗄️.is 🔗kun

This is the old man,

 

Bridges & Maps thread 7 is a continuation of the long dig started in Bridges & Maps thread 4. I will pick up where I stopped in thread 6 for old readers. For new readers, I would be asking them to go back to thread 4 and start reading from the very first page or they will be unable to fully grasp what it’s all about since this is a long chain.

 

When the lights go out, I will keep on working, keep on posting as long as I can.

 

I thank everyone for their patience. Hope you will enjoy reading this thread.

Wishing you a good day.

God bless you all.

Anonymous ID: 2c9c1a Nov. 16, 2021, 9:28 a.m. No.15012575   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>2609

(Please read from the start)

 

Next, I’m going to show you a study made on the teeth of the dead infants. Please note whom is saying this is an infant burial ground, and look whom is insisting these are sacrificial victims. Check out the dates, the names and the big shot establishments. Also, I would like to point out how messed up the understanding is in this specific article when the history of Carthage is concerned = foundation. We’ve already been through all of it so I’m not going to repeat it. I’m going to comment only when necessary.

 

https://www.livescience.com/23298-carthage-graveyard-not-child-sacrifice.html

 

“Ancient Baby Graveyard Not for Child Sacrifice, Scientists Say

By Tia Ghose 19 September 2012

 

A Carthaginian burial site was not for child sacrifice but was instead a graveyard for babies and fetuses, researchers now say.

 

A new study of the ancient North African site offers the latest volley in a debate over the primary purpose of the graveyard, long thought to be a place of sacred sacrifice.

 

"It's all very great, cinematic stuff, but whether that was a constant daily activity ― I think our analysis contradicts that," said study co-author Jeffrey Schwartz of the University of Pittsburgh.

 

The city-state of Carthage was founded in the ninth century B.C., when Queen Dido fled Phoenicia (along the eastern Mediterranean shore) for what is now Tunis, Tunisia. The empire became a powerhouse of the ancient world and fought several wars against the Romans.

 

When archaeologists began excavating the ancient civilization last century, they found urns with the cremated remains of thousands of babies, young goats and lambs at a graveyard called the Tophet, which had been used from 700 to 300 B.C. At its peak, the Tophet may have been bigger than a football field and had nine levels of burials.

 

Based on historical accounts, scientists believed Carthaginians sacrificed children at the Tophet before burying them there. For instance, the Bible describes child sacrifice to the deity Baal, worshipped by a civilization in Carthage. A Greek and a Roman historian both recount gory tales from this time period in which of priests slit the throats of babies and tossed them into fiery pits, Schwartz said.

 

However, those accounts came from Carthage's enemies. "Some of this might have been anti-Carthaginian propaganda," Schwartz told LiveScience.”

 

>> Bull’s eye = it’s all propaganda towards the enemies of the Jews and the Bloodlines. The Bloodlines used to run things behind the curtain in Hellenic, Hellenistic and Roman times. Alexander the Great was given to you as a sample.

 

“In 2010 Schwartz and his colleagues used dental remains from 540 individuals to argue that the site was not primarily for ritual child slaughter, and they reiterate that stance in this month's issue of the journal Antiquity. In the new article, the researchers cite several older studies to validate their methods for estimating infant ages from tooth fragments.”

 

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Anonymous ID: 2c9c1a Nov. 16, 2021, 9:32 a.m. No.15012609   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>2628

>>15012575

 

(Please read from the start)

 

“The team argues that many tooth fragments found at the Tophet were actually developing tooth buds from the jaws of fetuses and stillborn babies who could not have been live sacrifices. As evidence, they showed that half of the teeth lacked a sign of birth called the neonatal line. The stress of birth temporarily halts tooth development in newborns, creating a tiny, dark line in their tooth buds; however, the line doesn't form until a week or two after birth.”

 

>> Examining the teeth is one of the methods. No traces on the bones were found too – that’s another method.

 

“Other researchers still believe the Tophet was a place for sacred killing.

 

"This is not a regular cemetery; the age distribution suggests they were sacrificing infants at the age of 1 month," said Patricia Smith, an anthropologist at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

 

Smith's team published a 2011 paper questioning Schwartz's dental analysis. The incredible heat and pressure generated during cremation usually erase the neonatal line, she said, so its absence isn't a reliable measure of age. Schwartz's team miscalculated how much teeth shrink in cremation, leading to an underestimate of infant ages, Smith argued.”

 

>> The age distribution only indicates this was a special cemetery for infant burial, there are no tangible indication linking the age of the dead infants to ritual sacrifice. There isn’t a single infant, NOT A SINGLE INFANT, burried in the necropolis where the adults and teens are.

 

Just look whom’s talking. See how it works?

 

“Smith also doubts Carthage would have routinely cremated stillbirths or infants. Because of sky-high infant mortality rates, babies were probably not considered people until they were at least 1 or 2 years old. The Carthaginians chopped down most of their trees to plant crops and wouldn't have used the precious wood to burn babies, she said.

 

"The Carthaginians were seafarers; they needed wood for ships, they needed wood for cloth, they needed wood for their tools," she said.”

 

>> Lack of wood is not an argument my dear. Carthaginians were traders and traders have access to all types and quantities of goods they wish for. And how many times during the wars with the Greeks, then the Romans, was the Carthaginian fleet burned/destroyed and then rebuilt by them? Not to mention all of those siege weapons used in all of these wars.They weren’t made of plastic you know. I never knew that wood is needed to make clothing though. Wood was plenty available for the Carthaginians as long as their trade was flourishing. So yes, there was plenty of wood to go around and yes, it was constantly used to cremate infants whom were dead prematurely or any similar reason like being stillborn. So my dear, your argument of lack of wood is nothing but hot air and you trying to twist facts and cast shade of the findings of Schwartz. How much were you paid my dear?

 

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Anonymous ID: 2c9c1a Nov. 16, 2021, 9:33 a.m. No.15012628   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>2636

>>15012609

 

(Please read from the start)

 

Here is what Schwartz and co. worked on. Please keep an eye on the names, places/”establishments” and dates mentioned. It’s long but I’m putting it as it is for anons to read: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0009177

“Skeletal Remains from Punic Carthage Do Not Support Systematic Sacrifice of Infants

• Jeffrey H. Schwartz ,

• Frank Houghton,

• Roberto Macchiarelli,

• Luca Bondioli

 

Published: February 17, 2010

 

Abstract

 

Two types of cemeteries occur at Punic Carthage and other Carthaginian settlements: one centrally situated housing the remains of older children through adults, and another at the periphery of the settlement (the “Tophet”) yielding small urns containing the cremated skeletal remains of very young animals and humans, sometimes comingled. Although the absence of the youngest humans at the primary cemeteries is unusual and worthy of discussion, debate has focused on the significance of Tophets, especially at Carthage, as burial grounds for the young. One interpretation, based on two supposed eye-witness reports of large-scale Carthaginian infant sacrifice [Kleitarchos (3rd c. BCE) and Diodorus Siculus (1st c. BCE)], a particular translation of inscriptions on some burial monuments, and the argument that if the animals had been sacrificed so too were the humans, is that Tophets represent burial grounds reserved for sacrificial victims. An alternative hypothesis acknowledges that while the Carthaginians may have occasionally sacrificed humans, as did their contemporaries, the extreme youth of Tophet individuals suggests these cemeteries were not only for the sacrificed, but also for the very young, however they died. Here we present the first rigorous analysis of the largest sample of cremated human skeletal remains (348 burial urns, N = 540 individuals) from the Carthaginian Tophet based on tooth formation, enamel histology, cranial and postcranial metrics, and the potential effects of heat-induced bone shrinkage. Most of the sample fell within the period prenatal to 5-to-6 postnatal months, with a significant presence of prenates. Rather than indicating sacrifice as the agent of death, this age distribution is consistent with modern-day data on perinatal mortality, which at Carthage would also have been exacerbated by numerous diseases common in other major cities, such as Rome and Pompeii. Our diverse approaches to analyzing the cremated human remains from Carthage strongly support the conclusion that Tophets were cemeteries for those who died shortly before or after birth, regardless of the cause.”

 

>> Here, they are making it clear that they didn’t solely rely on examining the teeth but also on cranial study and others. They are also saying that we are putting the cause of the death aside and focusing simply on the bones and the message it’s giving us. But…remember what Smith from the University of Jerusalem wrote just a page earlier? See how the mafia works when someone present the truth? And I disagree with disregarding the cause of death, it’s an important factor which could lean the case for or against child sacrifice taking place at Carthage. I also would prefer stop calling it Tophet since Tophet means open air sacrificial ground….but would like to call it from now on infant/child burial/cemetery.

 

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Anonymous ID: 2c9c1a Nov. 16, 2021, 9:34 a.m. No.15012636   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>9097

>>15012628

 

(Please read from the start)

 

“Introduction

 

Some biblical scholars maintain that the Carthaginians frequently and systematically practiced infant sacrifice perhaps as early as Queen Dido's founding of the Phoenician colony on the northern coast of Africa in the 9th or 8th century BCE until 146 BCE, when the Romans won the third and last Punic War [1]–[5]. This interpretation derives from the following: 1) Kleitarchos (3rd c. BCE) described Carthaginians throwing live infants onto a pyre, Diodorus Siculus (1st c. BCE) told of infants' throats being slit prior to cremation, and non-eyewitness reports claim the simultaneous sacrifice and burning of many children; 2) since the Eastern Mediterranean Phoenicians were the Canaanites described in the Old Testament as actually or potentially sacrificing offspring, and specifically first-born males, they continued this ritual as Carthage and its colonies; 3) the centrally situated Carthaginian cemetery contains remains of children and adults while a geographically separate area (the Tophet, Figure 1A) presents small urns (Figure 1B) with burned bones of very young animals (usually lamb or kid), humans (single or multiple individuals) (Figure 1C) and, occasionally, both; 4) inscriptions on some Tophet grave markers (stelae) (Figure 1D) suggest an offering was made to one or both primary deities, Ba'al Hamon and Tanit; and 5) one stela depicts a man, interpreted as a priest, carrying a child. The “all humans were sacrificed” thesis also rests on the argument that, since the animals interred in the Tophet were surely sacrificial victims, so too were the humans also interred in the Tophet [4], [5].”

 

>> We’ve already seen these. Anons are now familiar with them. And these are the arguments the Phoenician/Carthaginians enemies present to the public to support their accusations, from long ago, till nowadays. Good summary.

 

“Other biblical scholars [6]–[14], upon reviewing the evidence from the Tophet at Carthage and others at Carthaginian settlements in Cyprus and Sardinia, admit that humans may occasionally have been sacrificed, but also argue that sacrifice alone was not the primary factor underlying human interment in Tophets because: 1) perinatal humans, perhaps stillborn, have tentatively been identified at these sites; 2) the general age-representation of these human samples is consistent with infant mortality, which would have been high; 3) the presence of the very youngest humans in marginally rather than in cross-generational and centrally located cemeteries attests to attributes specific to the young, such as death before at age at which they would have been accepted into society as real individuals; 4) postmortem human cremations were offerings to the deities; and 5) the classical “descriptions” of repeated, large-scale infant sacrifice were exaggerations if not anti-Carthaginian propaganda.”

 

>> Faced with the new findings and studies shedding light on the truth, some have started to realize the error they made in blindly accusing the Carthaginians of practicing child sacrifice. So faced with facts, some have started to retract and tried to take a middle ground position. There is no in between fellows. It’s either white or black. You cannot have it both ways.

 

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