>>15026110

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>> I see them as special burial for the ones whom were not “complete” as humans, either body, spirit, or understanding = less than 5 years old. And I see them as being put in the care of the deities so they would guide them to Heaven = the presence of the Beam is more important than anyone thought of. It’s like parents are asking the deity to open the stargate and help their “not completed” child to have a safe passage to Heaven.

Anyone reading has any memory of his life before his 5 years of age? My oldest memories are when I was 5 years old. The truth is, no one = not a single person, remembers his or her life before his 5th birthday. Which makes it that the persons memories are incomplete making him unconscious or should I say making him an UNAWARE human.

Being with the young man, we got to learn and understand better how the spirit “works”…well, that is not entirely true too, but…it’s hard to explain in simple words. I mean we got to know better the Spirit that our Heavenly Father has put into each one of us. And we know that our consciousness is linked to our Spirit. If you are aware, then you feel. When you feel then your Spirit grows and becomes stronger. The more you are conscious of everything and everyone around you and yourself, the more you feel. The more you feel, the more your spirit gets stronger and powerful and your connection gets stronger as well. If you are not compassionate, then you have no way of growing your spiritual power and to be compassionate you gotta have a big amount of awareness or if you want to say a big amount of consciousness. As in if you feel bad or wrong about something – does it bother you to hear that some innocents were killed on the other side of the planet or not? If it does, then what are you doing about it? Or do you ignore that feeling and go get drunk in a bar, go the gym, or simply go play a video game? As in doing anything to run away from your own consciousness from your own awareness – the Bloodlines trained you well to run away and not face the harsh feeling your consciousness generates. At first, it’s very painful, in a maddening way. When you start to absorb the pain in and tame it, it doesn’t go away, more pain will pile up on it, the flow of pain won’t go away nor will it stop….but….it’s going to build up inside of you, to form a spiritual spark and that spark when it reaches a certain level it will ignite your spirit and make it stronger. There is a reason why Christ had to live the torture and then be crucified. I’m not saying that should happen to you. Don’t get me wrong, but I’m saying if you don’t go through hardship and if you don’t feel with the hardship of others, then you will never grow spiritually and never be part of the Light. There is no FREE ENTRANCE to HEAVEN. That’s a myth created by the Bloodline. Christ re-opened the gates or if you want to call it: the stargate, for us, he made Heaven accessible to us. But it’s going to be up to us to “earn” the ticket = as in work to get a ticket to Heaven…sort of speak of course.

“Carthaginians did not sacrifice their children to Ba'al Hammon in the Tophet. This open-air site, accessible to all who cared to visit the place, was a sacred sanctuary presided over by Ba'al Hammon and his consort Tanit. The human remains found in the urns buried in the Tophet were of children recalled to the presence of the gods; that is why they were buried in the sanctuary. To this sanctuary came grieving parents, who gave their children back to Ba'al Hammon and Tanit. Sometimes the parents would offer animal sacrifices to the gods to solicit their favor. Then they had funeral stelae carved and inscribed with vows, along with the poignant request that the divine couple grant them further offspring.”

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>>15034970

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>> I slightly differ in a point he made which I already explained many time what the difference is, but in general, this is correct. The difference is I think the deities were asked for protection and guide the child during his passage to Heaven = as in putting the dead infant in the care of the deity whom will be leading him/her to Heaven = safe arrival to Heaven. Why I think that? = because of the care displayed for the remains. There is a huge dosage of feelings and care in and around each burial. These were not cold hearted parents sacrificing their children, these were caring parents mourning their lost child and worrying about the infant’s passage to Heaven.

“YES, The Phoenician/Punic practiced Child Sacrifice

The thousands of individual burials, the several mass burials and the animal burials all demonstrate that these were sacrifical offerings to the gods.

Lawrence E. Stager and Joseph A. Greene

“The evidence that Phoenicians ritually sacrificed their children comes from four sources. Classical authors and biblical prophets charge the Phoenicians with the practice. Stelae associated with burial urns found at Carthage bear decorations alluding to sacrifice and inscriptions expressing vows to Phoenician deities. Urns buried beneath these stelae contain remains of children (and sometimes of animals) who were cremated as described in the sources or implied by the inscriptions.”

>> My eyes are filled with tears from laughter. Let’s take a look at the arguments presented by the Phoenician accusers = the prosecutors:

1 – Classical authors…we’ve already seen them many times in this thread, starting with the tale of Queen Elissa (starting page 1 452). And we already read it from Wikipedia itself how their “accounts” were contradicting one another, inaccurate and none were direct eye-witnesses to the practice of child sacrifice in Carthage. These are the witnesses 1 & 2 in the court case against the Phoenicians and it’s been proven over and over again that they are the enemies of the Phoenicians and the Carthaginians. As well as the Bloodlines presence and influence can be detected or connected to those Classical authors. It’s up to you if you want to believe them or not. You are the Jury in this court case.

2 – The biblical prophets: I already know the Old Testament was heavily edited and subtle changes made to it to substitute Jerusalem with Tyre in Ezechiel. That’s just one example of how the substitution and the change were made. Ezechiel was cursing Jerusalem and calling it the City of the Evil One, whom ruled over it, the City of the sinners whom did unforgiveable things. But amazingly, a few well-placed changes and it became the Phoenician City-State of Tyre = Sur which was the city of sinners instead. Amazing! This is how the Jews polish their own excrements and make them look good and shiny. Sorry for the bad choice of words but it’s the truth. Here, the Jews took the horrible act (((they))) commit themselves and (((they))) projected it on the Phoenicians. And not a single mention, not a pip about the Tophet of Jerusalem which was not closed despite the supposed efforts of king Josiah to shut it down and to stop this nasty practice. Not enough….please go back and research yourself how Yahweh and the Evil One are one and the same deity. Go back and research how there is a big Jewish community in each HUGE center dedicated to the cult of the Evil Lady and/or the Evil One. Please go research how the apostles preached in those centers on purpose and they were “persecuted” and “fought” by the Hellenized Jews of those big center of cult. Go back and research how the Jews held onto the cult of the Evil Lady and mostly to the sacred prostitution = it was their favorite. The Jews are the witness number 3 in the court case against the Phoenicians. It’s going to be up to you dear reader if you want to believe the Jews or not? = find them credible witnesses or not against the Phoencians, despite the fact that they too have never been eye witnesses of the so called children sacrifice ceremony practiced by the Phoenicians. I can go on and on about them and their lies and their slander, but I’m not going to waste time on something so obvious.

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>>15035009

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3 – The Stelae in the burial ground: the symbols on it need to be re-evaluated depending on the new finding about Tanit which needs to be re-studied. As for the inscriptions: First, we gotta make sure the translation is correct because there is big difference between each translation. Second, once we are certain to have the correct translation, then the interpretation of the inscription should be carefully done not on its own, but it should merge with the results we will discover from the re-evaluation of the cult of Tanit. It’s like they complete one another. Loads of work to be done here.

4 – The Sources are not reliable and the inscriptions do not explicitly say the children were sacrificed = burned alive = killed for the deity. It all depends on the interpretation of the inscription which can be biased depending on whom is paying to get the interpretation they like to hear, not as it really is. As for the urns and the remains in them, this is a burial ground for “incomplete” humans, there are many reasons why the dead infants were cremated = as in the practice of burning the already dead body was used and they were not buried in a coffin or sarcophagus. One of the reasons could be their “incomplete” body…or…it could be to stop some deceases like the cholera to spread. We simply don’t know why this method = cremation was used for this specific category of deaths. So quickly jumping to conclusion that cremation is a sign of child sacrifice is nothing but pure stupidity….or….it might be serving a darker agenda = deliberate slander of the Phoenicians/Carthaginians and the deliberate act of destroying their public image; creating this MYTH that the Phoenicians sacrificed children so that the public, but mostly the American Christians (the puppets), would be brainwashed by this huge lie, this fiction. You think you are brainwashed by the MSM? Wait till you find out how brainwashed you are by your own church and the Bible, mostly the Old Testament. The only true thing in that book is Christ. His existence is the only truth in that book. I like St Paul too, but…there are some passage which reeks of alterations and manipulations = as in his words were twisted and edited. As for the Armageddon = that is not written by St John, this was written and added centuries later.

“Still, some scholars like Dr. Fantar deny that the Phoenicians sacrificed their children. They dismiss the texts as tendentious or misinformed, and they ignore the sacrificial implications of the inscribed stelae. The archaeological evidence, however, especially the bones found inside the burial urns, cannot be so easily explained away.”

>> What “sacrificial implications” are found in the inscriptions of the Stelae? It’s subjected to the interpretation of everyone = as in anyone can come in and interpret this according to their own views….including me. What is going to draw the line in all of this is the Cause of death of all of these children. When we determine what caused the death of all of these children, then we would be able to lean this or that way once and for all. Until then, the inscriptions can be considered ambiguous and open to any interpretation.

The thing is with the Phoenician haters (paid of the Jews) they take one point on its own, separately, and hammer it and twist things to fit the narrative they are paid to push forward. What they do not do is gather all the evidence and see what they are all talking about, point towards uniformly, in a synchronized way. When you are a homicide detective, you must take into consideration all of the elements you’ve got in front of you and not rely solely on one = you gotta put the entire picture together and not a section of it like what the Phoenician haters do. And unfortunately, they’ve got the biggest bullhorn, the money and the media to back them up, while our voices are muffled.

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>>15035079

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“Evidence from classical authors. Ancient authors, both Greco-Roman historians like Kleitarchos, Diodorus and Plutarch and Church fathers like Tertullian, condemn the Carthaginians for the practice of child sacrifice. Some add lurid but unverifiable details‹sacrifices witnessed by distraught mothers, grimacing victims consumed by flames, human offerings received in the outstretched arms of a brazen statue. On one point these sources are completely in accord: The Carthaginians sacrificed their children to their supreme deities.”

>> LoL! It’s true, on that ONE point, these sources are completely in accord….but….you are not telling the public that these same sources contradict each other and diverge with one another on thousands of the remaining points ^_^ You are one heck of a hypocrite and a paid liar.

“To be sure, some historians who wrote about Carthage, such as Polybius, took no note of this practice. Why Polybius failed to mention Carthaginian child sacrifice is a mystery. He was a member of Scipio's staff in 146 B.C., and he must have known the city well. The revisionists seize on such omissions as an excuse to dismiss all reports of Phoenician child sacrifice as pure fabrications arising from anti-Phoenician bias. But this is a non sequitur. The fact that Polybius does not mention Carthaginian child sacrifice does not mean that other testimonies are false; it simply means that he has nothing to say on this point.”

>> So according to this Phoenician/Carthaginian hater, Polybius, whom could be considered as the closest thing we have to a half-way direct eye witness, never mentions the Phoenicians practiced child sacrifice. But his silence on the issue is interpreted as he had nothing to say (rolling eyes). It’s up to you if you are convinced by his interpretation of Polybius silence or not.

“Evidence from the Hebrew Bible. The sixth-century B.C. prophet Jeremiah accused syncretizing Judahites of setting up a "high place of Tophet" in the Valley of Ben-Hinnom outside Jerusalem (Jeremiah 7:30-32), where they "burn (sharaf) their sons and their daughters in the fire (b'esh)." This is clearly not a description of sons and daughters "passing through" the fire in some sort of rite of passage from which they emerge singed but not incinerated. These children, both male and female, "burn … in the fire," that is, they are cremated, according to Jeremiah. This testimony is not from a foreigner who accuses the Judahites of evil ways; it is from one of their own. Any Jerusalemite who thought that the prophet might have been fabricating charges of child sacrifice could have taken a short walk down the valley of Ben-Hinnom and become, like Jeremiah, an eyewitness to the human sacrifices taking place there.”

>> O.M.G.! This is a blatant lie. First of all, I thought that Bible made it clear that the Phoenicians only sacrificed their first born SONS, no mention of daughters. Secondly, the one this paid idiot is calling the “foreigners” = meaning the Greek and the Romans, were paid authors/writers, working for the Bloodlines. The Jews are the people of the Evil Clan, while the Bloodlines are the nobility leading the Evil Clan = the leaders of that clan. So when he says the testimonies of foreign….they are not foreigners, they are the noble rulers of the evil clan, scattered all over the world and they are in every civilization out there, and yes, I will be explaining how this happened. Remember how the Spanish nobility welcomed the Aztec nobility among their ranks and their society?

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>>15035157

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I also don’t understand his way of thinking and linking the Tophet of Jerusalem with the Phoenicians… what’s that one gotta do with the Phoenicians? Jerusalem was NOT a Phoenician City-State, but a Jewish one. And why should we take a walk in the valley of Ben-Hinnom? Nothing was found there indicating the presence of a Tophet there according to the official narrative. So what am I supposed to “see” or “discover” when I walk there? Whom is lying here? Is the official narrative of Israel about Ben-Hinnom valley correct or another lie? Did (((their))) archaeologists secretly found something and (((they))) have been hiding it from us for all of this time? You see, the Lebanese and the Syrians allowed us to take a look = access the raw data from their digs. And we’ve been checking the excavations for decades now, without anyone knowing what we are truly doing. But when we wanted to do the same with the Israeli data….access was denied. And don’t go thinking we went there nicely asking them to hand over the raw data to us. We pretended we are working on something else. So ask yourselves, why would the Lebanese and Syrians let us check the raw data? And why Israel refused to let us check the raw data they’ve got?

One last thought = was Jeremiah truly an eye witness of what was taking place there? Or did he hear about it as in he was aware of what was going there and tried to put an end to it? If you are an eye witness, does it mean you are participating in the ritual, or are you standing aside and simply watching? Darn it! The prophet Jeremiah must have had nerves of steel to stand there and not react while infants were slaughtered and burned like that. As a prophet of our Heavenly Father, don’t you find him witnessing all of this and not trying to stop it weird? This is another indicator this person is lying all the way up to his eye balls. Because no one with a sound mind can sit there and watch this horror take place without trying to stop it or react to it.

“The word "Tophet" can be translated "place of burning" or "roaster." The Hebrew text does not specify that the Judahite victims were buried, only burned, although the "place of burning" was probably adjacent to the place of burial. Indeed, soil in the Carthage Tophet was found to be full of olive wood charcoal, no doubt from the sacrificial pyres. We have no idea how the Phoenicians themselves referred to the places of burning or burial or to the practice itself, since no large body of Phoenician writing‹no Phoenician "Bible," as it were‹has come down to us.”

>> The Olive tree is sacred in the ALL the basin of the Med Sea; to the Greeks as well. And the Olive tree is considered as a blessing from the Light; remember where Christ was arrested? This person is the first one whom mentioned finding olive tree wood charcoal in the soil of the burial in Carthage. Funny how Schwartz whom collected soil from around the urns and examined them, never mentioned such an important detail…that is, if you believe the one pushing forward this. And even if such charcoal was found, I don’t think they use stones for cremating dead bodies = you need wood in order to do that. And do anons remember that Smith lady arguing that there wasn’t enough wood around for Carthage to use it all on cremating their dead infants? See how (((they))) play (((their))) tricks? It’s so obvious this is nothing but B.S. Of course you have no idea how the Phoenicians called such places as the Jewish Tophet, because the Bloodlines took the Phoenician records/archives. They simply vanished when the Romans got into each City-State, mostly during the time of the first Triumvirate.

“Evidence from Phoenician inscriptions. What have come down to us are thousands of Phoenician inscriptions, the vast majority of which are from the Carthage Tophet. These inscriptions, however, are highly formulaic and tantalizingly laconic. None refers explicitly to child sacrifice, only to vows made to Tanit and Ba'al Hammon. For example, an inscription on a stela from the Tanit II period (sixth to third century B.C.) reads: "To our lady, to Tanit … and to our lord, to Ba'al Hammon, that which was vowed." The placement of such stelae immediately above the jars containing burned remains strongly suggests that these vows had something to do with the cremated individuals, human or animal, inside the jars.”

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