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>You are, you're describing it thus far as totally and everywhere having no God.

But without having to reject your claim of a God I'm not describing anything. Meaning what you claim is me describing a universe is completely dependent on your description of a universe - hence am I not describing a universe just not accepting your description.

>Of course, a person has to think about God before making a statement about God.

So someone believe in a God before knowing about that God? Really? You do realize that you can mention things to yourself right?

>Someone obviously first mentioned a Godless Universe.

Yes. My view of the world is by no means unique, neither is yours.

>The feeling of there "needing" to be nothing bigger than oneself occurs in some humans so it's only logical that people came up with the idea of a Godless universe.

It might, doesn't mean it's not natural either way. Happiness is natural, does that mean everyone is happy all the time?

>never asked you to prove anything that 'doesn't exist'.

Then what are you asking me to prove? I want you to prove there is a God, that would end this discussion right here.

You keep telling me I have the burden of proof. What burden? What proof?

Should I prove to you that I in fact believe that I live in a universe not created by a God?

As I said earlier I am genuinely trying to figure out how you can think I have any burden of proof and of what?

>I don't believe your claim I live in a Godless world.

I don't claim that. FFS.

I claim that I don't believe your claim that you live in a Godless universe - you might not, I just don't think there is a God. How can this be so fucking hard for you?

>The description of the universe as you believe it that contradicts the description of the universe as I believe it

No… what logically follows from me rejecting your claim contradicts your claim of the universe.

It doesn't make my rejection of your claim a new claim.

>All I am saying is that if you want to communicate to me a description of the universe

I don't. Can I make it more clear to you??

>By claiming repeatedly what you 'reject', you're at the same time describing the nature of the universe.

No, you imbue my rejection with meaning I didn't make.

Me rejecting your claim is not me claiming the opposite to be true.

>your description of the universe as being a Godless reality is simply a view I reject.

I am still not saying that. But you can reject it all you want.

>You're projecting again

No… I'm joking. But even that seems to be hard for you…