>>1569170 (#1972)

>>1569170 (I can hardly keep up....)

Biblical Sauce [GOD to Satan]: "And I will put enmity

between you and the woman,

and between your offspring [seed] and hers;

he will crush your head,

and you will strike his heel.” [Genesis 3:15]

~<>~ Previously, ("So God created mankind in his own image,

in the image of God he created them;

male and female he created them." [Genesis 1:27])

~<>~ Our ET adversary is a billion years older, has ‘fixed’ (((himself))) and creates all his 'minions' in his own image, i.e. not a similar 'biology'; not male/female ...

The Fermi Paradox

In a conversation with Edward Teller, Emil Konopinski, and Herbert York at a physicists lunch at Los Alamos Labs in 1950, Enrico Fermi responded to someone’s claim that extraterrestrial intelligences exist [ETIs,ETs] ~ be they individual entities, group intelligences, civilization, etc. ~ with his famous remark: “Well then where are they?” ~<< The Fermi Paradox

As one might expect from Enrico Fermi, this commonsense question contained profound scientific and philosophical implications.

In 1960, 29-yo astronomer Frank Drake used the 26-meter radio-telescope of the National Radio Astronomy Observatory to conduct the first search for extraterrestrial life (SETI) ~ Project OZMA. Drake searched for ‘intelligent’ radio signals from the near-by stars, Tau Ceti and Epsilon Eridani. ~<< results were negative.

Astronomer Frank Drake convened a small workshop after the completion of Project Ozma, whereby Drake attempted to develop some ‘expectations’ of finding life in the ‘cosmic haystack’. Drake included physical, biological and cultural considerations:

N = (R*) (fp) (ne) (fl) (fi) (fc) (L) [Drake’s Eqn]

R ~ the rate of star formation in our Milky Way; (R*) ~ rate of formation of “G-type” stars like our sun.

fp ~ the fraction of stars with planetary systems

ne ~ the number of planets [per solar system] suitable for life

fl ~ the probability that life will develop on a suitable planet

fi ~ the probability that life will evolve to an intelligent state

fc ~ the probability that intelligent life will develop a culture capable of communication over interstellar distances.

L ~ the time in years that such a culture will spend actually trying to communicate.

~<>~ Now we know that N = 1, at least because << humanity exists on earth.

>>1569170 (#1972)

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~<>~ Next, I make the following statement: Consider the fact that FTL travel cannot be supported by physical evidence, by experiment, or by any physics based on sound mathematics and reality. (In other words, ET doesn’t have it either.)

~<>~ Outer space is not ‘clean’, velocities greater than 0.7c would probably not be possible due to the increase in the relativistic mass of ‘space dust’ impacting upon your spacecraft. However, velocities of 0.5 to 0.6, and even 0.7 c are possible … and in an infinite universe, these possibilities become ~>a certainty. ~<<

~<>~ For a member of a highly advanced civilization, which still wants to reproduce, moving to the stars is a very rational decision. As a “collective”, the desire to not have all one's eggs in one basket is also rational. In sum, it is not sufficient that no technologically capable civilization has to expand to fill the galaxy. You must also make sure there is not (((another one))) that wants to ~<<

~<>~ Traveling in a spacecraft at 50% c (c, speed of light) in a lifetime of 70 years, one could travel approximately 35 light-years. In two lifetimes, 70 light-years. Of course, it would help if one knew in which direction to proceed. However, if one also believes in evolution, and man being approximately 1 million years old, then in 1 million years traveling at 50% c, one could travel 500,000 light years, or back and forth across our galaxy about three times.....

~<>~ Next, consider what space travel involves: For us mortal human beings, possibly a whole lifetime (or more) spent traveling to find a new world suitable for a home. Not everyone had the 'intestinal fortitude' to sail the Atlantic to the Americas (new world). Not everyone has the guts to face the future.

~<>~ I ask you to consider my following statement: When you go you don't expect to return because the distance is so vast. But you go because you must, you do so to ensure the survival of your species, humankind.

~<>~ Now, consider this: There is a 'paradox' concerning Science that is not realized by all. Most of Science over the past 300 years has been empirical. Empirical science, limited by observation and experience, has become popular and very successful. But this limitation is also the very reason our affluent society is now becoming skeptical of Science.

Have you not heard the resounding "So What!"?? A society which is so poor that it must struggle for survival, cannot afford to practice Science. An affluent society reaches a comfort level with science and technology and then turns skeptical... Yes, humankind can build these interstellar spaceships in your lifetime.

>>1569170

>>1576181

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Drake’s Equation

IMHO, the best treatment of ‘Drake’s Equation’ predicts our galaxy is populated with several thousand “species-civilizations”, which either already are or will be capable of interstellar travel. When the first of these "species-civilizations" (call it the ‘dominant’ one) elects to colonize (or establish an empire) in the Milky Way galaxy, the other sub-dominant “species-civilizations” which are capable of interstellar travel will also have to establish themselves into smaller empires as an act of self-preservation.

Self-preservation is merely the application in practice of Darwin's principal theory of 'survival of the fittest'. Even if life is merely a 'property' of matter.... (termed the 'interiorizing complexification of matter... a gift of anti-entropy, Tielhard), understand that even unconsciously life seeks to preserve. (((You))) breathe, eat and probably look both ways before you cross the street. Yes life is good, and in and of itself - both consciously and unconsciously, life seeks to preserve itself.

And, once this dominant species-civilization begins this endeavor, the process becomes inevitable and an empire is in fact established. The limits on this empire are only space and time. But these limits are indeed formidable.

So, space and time [space-time, not a dome above the FE] work together to limit this empire to a first, single "inspiration" of establishing dominion in the galaxy. Afterwards, the empire must depend upon its colonials to continue with the "inspiration of dominion" through both space and time. With this concept of the will and purpose required for such an endeavor, knowing our own history, and "human nature"; I predict that an empire across the whole of the Milky Way could only be established by immortals. Mortals (like us) must settle for something less, though probably still considerable to our present concepts of size and dominion.

For as long as death holds a victory over the flesh – we will endeavor to preserve. Any other species-civilization would do the same. Only an immortal species could preserve both Will and Purpose to control vast space and time. And, only an immortal species would come knocking on the door when they found us, unafraid of the consequences.

Now consider the rest of the peoples of the galaxy, e.g., the other several thousand or so sub-dominant, species-civilizations. Then it also follows that any other sentient species capable of interstellar space travel living on any other planet would be faced with "the same dilemma". By cosmic design (even the sun will not last forever), by cosmic accident (a collision with another "object"), or by an invading alien race, with the objective of planetary conquest.

This is an important point I am making so I will restate it here: Despite the enormous undertaking of colonizing other solar systems and establishing an empire throughout a region of the Milky Way, it will eventually be carried out by the first dominant species-civilization to arise in the galaxy. But ahead of that dominant species will be the first waves of "spreading out" as the other sentient species seek to preserve themselves.

BossET certainly manufactures 'beings', adapted to do the hard work of interstellar travel for him. They would most likely be 'religious' beings, serving their creator. And, I submit that the 'curiosity' of these creatures towards us is just ??their wondering?? who our Creator

might be?

Man has been created as both nature and spirit, neither dimension of which can be collapsed into the other. As Science measures man's genes, what will 'they' do to measure and replicate his spirit?

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>>1576207

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Further Biblical Evidence

In the Gospels, when Jesus is asked by his disciples about His return, he tells them “Do not be deceived”, and then describes *the Great Deception

“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— [Matthew 24:15] And, then in the following verses He [JESUS] describes a “Great Tribulation”.

~>>For, ‘the holy place’ is wherever Jesus stands when He returns<<~

In Revelation Chapter 11, the two witnesses

“Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.” [Revelation 11:7]

In Revelation Chapter 12

“Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.”

ET is a billion years older than humanity, BUT, ET is mortal….