Anonymous ID: 60abd1 March 10, 2022, 11:53 a.m. No.15830564   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0610

>>15830513

 

What amount of proof would be enough?

 

He could literally march out of the clouds and raise a forest from the deserts and you'd still have people who don't believe:

 

  • It's an alien.

  • It's an optical illusion.

  • It's the devil himself!

 

There is already some proof, but it's not enough for people. There is no specific threshold of proof that is universally enough, thus providing additional proof is almost like showing favoritism to the few who the said proof is enough to cross their "faith" thresholds.

 

Ultimately, proof subverts the purposes of faith.

 

If you required guaranteed proof of your safety to drive your car, you'd never get in your car. At some point, you just trust:

 

  1. Your car will function safely.

  2. No one will make irresponsible decisions in your vicinity.

  3. … any number of other bad things won't happen.

 

Your threshold for travel safety has been sufficiently appeased. There are shut-ins who haven't had their driving risk aversion sated. That's not your problem, that's not the government's problem, and no is responsible for trying to convince those people that driving is safe.

 

Sufficient evidence exists (for most).

Anonymous ID: 60abd1 March 10, 2022, 12:03 p.m. No.15830649   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0655

>>15830610

 

Exactly. That's what makes it your problem.

 

Otherwise, you can believe like all of the currently celebrated great minds that, in a closed system, matter and energy somehow originated from nothing.

 

You have to go before the big bang. Where did the matter and energy originate from?

 

Make sure you remember the principle of mass conservation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass

 

What's your answer? Prove it.

 

Best wishes in finding the answers you're looking for assuming you're earnestly searching.

Anonymous ID: 60abd1 March 10, 2022, 12:10 p.m. No.15830701   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0722

>>15830655

 

Don't dodge the questions. You approach faith with the fervor as though the science has its big bang origins figured out. You have faith in something, even if you think it's all based in well-reasoned fact.

Anonymous ID: 60abd1 March 10, 2022, 12:15 p.m. No.15830740   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0756

>>15830722

 

I don't know the answer. It's not incumbent upon me to know that answer.

 

We all, including you, will need to exist being OK with knowing we won't have all the answers.

 

The difference is, I accept that I don't know the answers, thus faith.

 

You're deluding yourself into believing you have evidence based understandings when you actually have faith-based beliefs.

Anonymous ID: 60abd1 March 10, 2022, 12:20 p.m. No.15830789   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0802 >>0843

>>15830756

 

Don't presuppose my journey to my belief was simple and easy.

 

I was an atheist for a long time.

 

I grew up poor, broken home, sleeping in buses, and cars. I didn't "inherit" my faith from my family.

 

Best of luck to you. It's good to identify that science, for now is faith-based. Many extraordinarily intelligent people walk this planet believing they have it all figured out simply because science refuses to acknowledge that current origin theories are still theories and faith-based.

Anonymous ID: 60abd1 March 10, 2022, 12:24 p.m. No.15830815   🗄️.is 🔗kun   >>0834 >>0838

>>15830756

 

To address the control mechanism, anything can be leveraged to control people.

 

Science is leveraged in such a way. Anything involving people has control mechanisms.

 

Try being a doctor in the US and running afoul of the AMA.

 

Try becoming an attorney in the US and running afoul of the Bar.

 

The problem isn't medicine, law, or religion, it's the power hungry people who subvert the just and good in ways to coerce people into compliance for their own selfish gains.