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Then why doesn't God provide proof within that box, since that is how the person is "designed"?
Free Will States that, even with evidence, belief can still be rejected thus becoming sin.
Using what faculty? Providing what verification method?
Imagine that. People are different.
Take the story of the 2 thieves. Let's add a third.
The first is told to "just believe" and existing in a way that that is sufficient, does just that. Having no "form" to his belief, right before he dies someone else tells him to believe something entirely different. How will he maintain his first belief? What error checking?
The second and third thief ask for proof, which is provided. The second assesses the evidence, comes to the conclusion it is valid, and afterwards believes.
The third sees the same evidence and whether it is enough or not, decides to reject belief.
The first is a fool, the second a reasonable person who arrives at a much stronger belief, while the third would be a "sinner."
Everyone is different.
Tell a low functioning retard with the mind of a 3 year old about the dinosaur in your pocket and he will believe.
Me? Not do much…prove it.
Like the second thief was willing to believe once the evidentiary threshold for his particular being was met?
As I said, that was reasonable.
Doesn't make it true and complete either, and since the whole picture is still unfinished, our physics compliant worldview may yet prove to ve false as well.
Then it is unreasonable for your version of God to either expect belief or punish for lack of belief.
Truth is truth. Proof wouldn't change that, would it?
Do you have a means, a faculty if you will, to determine the law?
Other than close your eyes and just wait for the law to magically become clear on your head?
You are blind to your own box, the one you dutifully make sure to pretend is virtuous in your obedience.
Hooters.
Rather ask yourself this question….how can we evolve/progress TO deserve it? By crawling on our bellies, prostrate? Slavish?
Then answer the counter question coherently with something other than "he just always was."
In your mindset there must. Even if that were conceded, to then conclude it must be the version (incoherently) described in the Bible is a huge leap…almost like someone being led by a fenced shoot to a predetermined conclusion designed to control.
No, we are actually in agreement. The difference being I don't grasp at an easy, prepackaged faith with dubious origins and an obvious control mechanism.
My mind is not decided for now.
If by "saying hello" do you mean loudly farming? Because I'm fucking Firestarter level.
The shittiest most immoral people I know of think themselves "saved" just because of their singular belief.
They tear through others because they think they have an ace in their pocket.
Fuck those people.
Such is your grasp. It is not a priori obvious.
Some of us are staring at you shaking our heads in pity.
I was like that. Reality has a way of pounding that out of you.
Seems that's why we made our way here.
Agreed, but at least science is supposed to have a coreecting/error checking mechanism.
There is no such mechanism in faith.
Gotta go get wife's scripts…good discussion.