>just bring your bodies
How does that support trafficking, beyond speculation by the way, he-who-needs-soap-for-the-mouth
kek
Where's his video proof of this?
He has himself and others with him right?
He certainly has a camera to livestream himself right?
Why didn't he make a video of the site after it was supposedly bulldozed?
Thanks for clarifying.
His ^suspicion^ they would bulldoze is quite different from a statement that the site ^was^ bulldozed, is it not?
Suspicion =/= Evident Truth
Speculation =/= Evident Truth
You want to convince the skeptics?
Present evidence that stands on it's own merits, that doesn't need to be speculated to be something beyond what it appears to be.
Also, Why did the dogs sniff nothing?
That fight fire with fire you say
has nothing to do with the graphic you posted
If you thnk it does,
clarify
That's not a very good clarification of your implied association of the need to mobilize with boots on the ground with that particular graphic
I'm willing to be convinced anon
>Who says there are bodies buried? and specifically in the camps? I don't think anyone is claiming there are kids being killed.
Yup, and I left that open too, hence my usage of OR
There certainly weren't any physical living children found. And those child toys and such could just as easily be the property of a homeless person camping out in that generally desolate area.
If Sawyer and his people really want to prove something, then why not spend some time and effort searching for human hairs, or get the supposed blood on that knife (stains which could be many things mind you) DNA tested. It's honestly not that expensive nowadays.
Also, those crates attached to the wall of the pipe for example looked more like rudimentary shelving for a homeless person to me, though I can admit I might be wrong about that particular speculation
Whatever happened to erring on the side of caution and reserve?
I've seen bloody implements underneath train overpasses where I live. Does that mean child trafficking? Or should I work to confirm suspicions?
If I find kid's toys in a pile of garbage near where a bunch of homeless people camp, does that mean children were trafficked?
When I watch videos of people getting terrified and emotional in reputed haunted houses, does that mean 100% there are evil spirits there?
Discernment and calculation are super important
We may be entering the Awakening, but we're still coming out of the Age of Lies
It is prudent to be cautious and rely on Evidence that stands on its own merits
Especially BEFORE any motivations for militia-like mobilization
Do you forget the Bundy Ranch?
Much love anons, stay sharp
Insult doesn't help the case of those who trust in this event. If you are for Truth, exercise better judgement and candor in making your case
How about that excessively forced smile there?
Looks trustworthy!
Anyone worth even a pinch of salt in reading body language and facial cues can tell there is something very off about Mr Sawyer
>what exactly would you call it?
Speculation
Why hasn't this situation been equally weighed with the possibility of being a HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT?
Key words: equally weighed
He exhibits a ton of body language and facial tells that are strongly coorelated to deception
I saw that knife, it had a few minor stains of a brownish color, which could be blood, but could just as well be old ketchup, or from cutting up wild game
I get why the police would have that position, considering there isn't any other evidence of substance
It would have helped Sawyer's cause if he or his people used their cameras to film the supposed Cartel people on horseback, or the one that fired warning shots in attempt to scare them off the land.
All we have is Sawyer's WORD for it, and that's not quite enough. He also doesn't come off as trustworthy in more than a few ways
> equally weighed with the possibility of being a HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT?
To be clear, I meant the anons here, not the police
You Sawyerfags should really take an objective look at this and be sure of who you follow. He may not be a bad actor, per se, but he has way too many Red Flags waving around him.
Didn't Q say, Be Careful Who You Follow?
Be careful anons
No, I'm saying be careful and be smart about what to consider evidence
And scrutinize people, their character, their background for better or for worse, before you take their word as gold and follow their directions
The Comex, AZ corruption, Clinton, Rothschild digs are wonderful, by comparison
Maybe, but he sure does come off as leading them
Indeed, just because a group of people have the label Veteran or Patriot, doesn't necessarily mean they are
Check out how money hungry Sawyer has seemed to be in the past, how he bandwagoned onto Pizzagate and made a whole lot of money in donations and talk show appearances, how he bashed and threatened people skeptical of him on Twitter over that time period
Demand Sawyer and VOP verify their claims
If Sawyer or his people are on these boards, as they supposedly have been, then why not address the skeptics, if what you say is real beyond the shadow of a doubt. THAT would ultimately be a better service for the children, because you can settle this matter with the supposed evidence you have at hand, right in front of you physically. The video footages are NOT clear and would not stand as evidence in any investigation. So address this issue and confirm, show the rest of the evidence CLEARLY, set up standalone cameras to capture those supposed Cartel. Why not LIVESTREAM your interactions with the other VOP members so we can see their faces and body language and tells if any? Why not LIVESTREAM your interactions with the police or other officials? Why not prepare detailed documentation and presentations of the evidence, besides putting weak evidence, that could more easily be a homeless camp, on social media, complete with excessive emotions and speculations (listen to Sawyer's wording of things anons) and premature calls for people to come down there and join you and militia groups?
This is WHY people are skeptical. Not everyone takes things as true because someone is emotional about them, or presents things in a way with a whole lot of "could be" as opposed to IS
>he is a homeless veteran
Sawyer is not homeless, that's an utter lie
He should address that money he made from being security for HRC and NoName
Or the money in donations from people online over the past year
Or the money he made making appearances on talk shows including Info Wars
I agree we can all believe evidence, but I and other skeptical people are still waiting for those concrete facts and evidence. What has been presented is not concrete.
btw, not everyone shops at Amazon, the small business murderer ;)
Fine, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and let's hypothetically ignore Sawyer from the question (even despite the fact HE is the one doing all of the interviews and the majority of the videos, right?)
Calm your emotions down, get rational,
then address the context of this:
Not everyone who disagrees with your beliefs is a bot.
Starting a dialogue with those you disagree with or disagree with you would prove more productive
I def see where you're coming from
What bothers me, and I'm sure the other skeptics
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the evidence is NOT concrete, all of it can just as easily be a homeless camp, or something other than specifically a child-trafficking area. What confirms it beyond a shadow of a doubt, from what is presented? What would convince a jury?
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Nobody has ever addressed the potential of a Limited Hangout. Given the checkered, and dirty in some instances, past of certain people within those apparent veterans who discovered this place (I'm not going to name names bc some anons here get emotional, but everyone knows who I'm referring to), it stands as wise to be skeptical of what they present as truth. And of all the places these groups could have posted to spread awareness, WHY did they choose to do so on 8ch? I exercise caution because Q warned us that Attacks WILL Increase From ALL Sides.
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Veterans are generally some of the best Americans out there, but that DOES NOT mean that some might be compromised, or would bend their morality and honor to make a delightful amount of money. Common sense to scrutinize everyone beyond the LABELS they wear on their collars
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I don't like being told what things are, I like making decisions based upon the scrutiny of facts and continual scrutiny of questions and beliefs that arise thereafter, until the best guess at the truth is what's left standing. Isn't that part of the whole point of QResearch? I didn't like how we were told what this discovery is as well as what everything that was considered "evidence"
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I personally am driven more skeptical by the lack of any work having been done to put the evidence of these camps together in such a way that can at least satisfy the concerns of skepticism. I am driven further skeptical when responses to skepticism amount to namecalling, screaming, dismissal, etc. rather than addressing the questions or concerns presented (not you, anon, your response is the kind of dialogue that helps us all)
I suppose what would satisfy some of this skepticism is at least a revisitation of the area, make it an INTERACTIVE livestream, I don't even care if it's a Superchat if these dudes want to make some money (if they're legit, I think they're doing a service in that case. Again, IF they're legit and without ulterior agenda). The point is have a LIVE interactive event, where people in chat can give suggestion and ask questions to be confirmed in real-time ON SITE as everyone watches. There's no excuses in this day of age, especially since they do have livestream capability. This is the way they should work going forward, and it remediates the need for anyone else to physically go there, just in case it IS at trap
>they should dust for fingerprints themselves?
Why not? If the cops deem the spot nonsense and a non-crime scene, then they should go for their own forensic work. Plenty, PLENTY of educational matierial online, and if they're legit, I'm sure people with those skillsets would be willing to help, if not at least lend commentary.
>they should make citizen arrests of the people firing off rounds at them?
No, but if you know these people keep coming by, and you know what direction they're coming from, SET UP CAMERAS. Or at least, with all of the dudes you have, start a watch with shifts, camera/livestream 24/7. PROVE these supposed Cartel exist and are threatening. Sorry in this day of age, MSM, politics, and Egotistic people have taught me through their behavior NOT to take anything in faith at face value, especially when I can see red flags, others see them too, and there's a smell of shit coming from somewhere.
I'd love to hear your take anon, or any other anons willing to dialogue
>but that DOES NOT mean that some AREN'T compromised
^^^^
Correcting a typo, to ensure clarity of message