>>16389918

>there is and never will be

<there is not and never will be

Have to agree with the rude guy.. you're not God.. I'd like to think you're right.. but organic life is very complex machinery.. its machinery with moving parts interacting on the atomic level.. i guess to some extent and possibly a greater extent the sub atomic level, but I think the atomic level mostly.. which is still ridiculously fine compared to what we think of as machinery.. I believe in soul, but it comes from God.. often understood as your connection to God.. could very well be that God is omnipresent and soul is the expression of God's interaction with a ridiculously ridiculously complex piece of fine machinery..

We're eventually going to get there at the rate we're going.. we might say "hey, cows take water and grass and turn it into milk.. we want to achieve the same thing" but might need organic technology/organic machinery to do so… we'll end up contriving something that resembles a cow torso, no tail, no legs, no head, no reproductives, no hair/fur but a protective "hide" layer of some kind.. an entry orifice for grinding up grass and water, some exits for milk, and some exits for waste material.. Hellish to imagine.. even more hellish when you take it further and imagine all the flesh machinery and mix it with some AI and maybe some "flesh-tech augments/prosthetics/upgrades" for regular organic life.. but maybe in all that complexity, God connects and gives it a soul.. maybe not, but fuck if we know.

Where's that evil flesh false-god meme when you need it?

>>16390024

Kek, no bro.. Science isn't lies and lies aren't science.. but often the lie is "its science" when its not..

Science started out as being related to episteme, which is considered undeniable knowledge.. very rare.

Then it became related to empiricism, which in meticulously refined, is really fucking good doxa (imperfect but accepted knowledge, generally based on analysis of sense data mixed with reason)

Today its related to politics, and its muddy as fuck, yet episteme and pretty damn good empirically developed knowledge is still a thing and you sound just as dumb as the leftist atheists when you blanket describe science as sinful or misleading..

MOST scientists, believe in God.. they may be stereotypically disconnected from religion, but find God undeniable because of their exploration in reasoning..

I was a punk edgy atheist millennial bitch until i took Chem II in college at the same time as Philosophy 101 and it just hit me like the ground via gravity, God is undeniable.. yet oft misunderstood.

>>16390034

no bro, i see the astronomical allegory.. i point it out all the time.. I wasn't talking about religion in that post.. not sure how your comment relates to my position..

>>16390041

kek, yeah weird, I don't know. no worries, isn't wasted.. exercising my mumblings.. enjoyed reading a few of your posts as well

>>16390046

I just don't understand why as an atheist, you took issue with my defense of science.. except that God is a trigger word for athiests I guess, made you assume I'd start biblefagging, but I wasn't.. I don't assume to know what I even mean by God.. for me its kind of an awareness of unknown-unknowns in regard to wholeness or underlying connection etc.. and a general inclination toward integrity.