Park Plaza Riverbank Hotel
18 Albert Embankment,
London SE1 7TJ, United Kingdom
See reverse view that matches up with Q cam position/s on bridge.
https://www.parkplazariverbank.com/
Marked up cap from 2012 vid that shows relative location of the hotel vis-a-vis Millibank, Big Ben, The Eye, and Lambeth/Westminster bridges.
The Reverse view very nearly seals the match, I think. But perhaps other candidates will have a much better way to confirm via reverse view.
1-AUG-2012-P vid of the two bridgtes over Thames, camera vantage The Eye. Triangulate with Q camera position. Matches-up with the reverse view from hotel room facing toward Westminster Palace and Hungerford Bridge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrFKmrkOSc4
Bakes please correct for next bread.
>>16669791 (You), >>16669800 (You), >>16669827 (You), >>16669858 (You) View of 18 Albert Embankment, River Park Hotel (background) and Crowne Plaza Hotel (foreground)
These SV images show the two hotels in the context of changes made 2012-2014, including the removal of large buildings nearby. These images can be compared with the 22-DEC-2013-P photo of the view from Hungerford Bridge as per last bread.
Unfortunately, last bread was hampered with the attacks. The images posted were self-explanatory but prolly needed discussion to clarify significance.
18 Albert Embankment is prime candidate and very nearly confirmed as the Purple or Pink building captured in Q pics. There may be other candidates so discussion will ensue.
The approximate location of the target building is southbank, i.e. Albert Embankment, across from Millibank Tower - or in that area of River Thames.
Is it between Westminster and Lambeth bridgtes or beyond Lambeth bridge?
Can it be cleanly triangulated with known landmarks and co-ordinates?
Example, 18 Albert Embankment. See previous bread which includes views from roads, the river, and google earth aerial view. In this bread see the reverse view from hotel room facing toward the Q camera position/s. Also see previous bread for caps from vid showing the brightly lit facade of the hotel which roughly follows the purple/pink shades in various open sauce pics. The vid shows blue/purple from distance and from very close-up.
Interdasting candidate.
Could you attempt a markup to show the edges viewable in the Q pics, such as ROT 1?
Here's a rough illustration. Not to be taken as well-considered, just to illustrate.
In one of the pics you posted, the pink building at 18 Albert Embankment was captured. Bend in shoreline places that location about centre in ROT 1, I think, as per the GE aerial view in last bread and reverse view in tihis bread.
Would be interdasting to do similar views and analysis. The comparisons might be made.
See >>16669651 PB
For 29 Albert Embankment may eed images that depict 2012-2014 period for comparison, because that address was demolished and then rebuilt.
Purple during that period?
As viewed from the approximate vantage of Q-cam and/or The Eye.
Before demolition started.
Good match for the 22-DEC-2013-T pic.
Good match for the 24London pic.
Good match for ROT 1 and EMB pics.
Good match reverse view ca 2012-2014
The promo vid posted earlier is of the modern Dumont building that was built on same site. Good views. Reverse excellent match as per reverse view of Q cam.
The building that would become The Dumont remained standing 2012-2014.
However, does not match the location of the purple/ pink building in photo take 22-DEC-2013-T. And in that photo, at night, the Dumont area was not lit colourfully.
Need moar to establish plausibility of this building as good match for Q pic?
Gud reverse view from The Dumont.
Not how very near this angle places the Riverbank Plaza, too. Both buildings appear to provide noice locations re the pink or purple coloured building in Q pics.
GE earial views of the Albert Embankment in vicinity of the site of The Dumont.
2013-2017
GE-06-2019
The area of much crane activity seems mostly filled-in by 2019. Compare with 22DEC-2013-T.
Ref points.
Note the pink coloured building at 18 Albert Embankment. And the gap between it and the next buildings, 22-29 Albert Embankment. Then identify the other three buildings pointed at in this marked up pic. Compare with 22-DEC-2013-P, for example. Or with the SV views from the river in AUG-2013. GooMAPS has some gud views of this area, too.
This is the area of increased crane activity just around the time of the Q pics in winter of 2013/2014. That activity continued for several years more.
If the 22-29 Albert Embankment area is location of candidate for pink/ purple building, it was due for some cranes to appear in winter of 2013-2014. Lack of them in the 22-DEC-2013-P pic still matches Q in ROT1 for example.
Not sure that farther along toward SIS HQ would have been within frame of Q pics but maybe just barely. However, that would mean not in positoin of the pink/ purple lights?
SV-AUG-2013 - on Thames toward Albert Embankment
Reference
The cranes in 22-DEC-2013-T are lit up on top. This does not match Q pics, ROT 1, for example. But the crane acitivity was already started and would increase during next few years.
Here's another possible candidate we cold vet. Penninsula Heights (apartment building) at 93 Embankment in vicinity of the crane activity that appeared in 2013-2014 winter.
This building has a tinted glass facade. Haven't seen it lit up but it has a sort of blocked shape that, if lit up, might match up with the pink/ purple building lights in ROT1.
Assuming can find evidence of it being lit up around the target time interval, here is a river view, a street view, and a reverse view. And a GE aerial view from about the angle of the Q camera near the Hungerford Bridge.
Gud location, it would seem. Facade facing the Q cam quite directly. But was this apartment building ever lit up colourfully?
Of course, if it was the pink/ purple lit area in the Q pics, then, THAT would provide pictorial evidence of it having been so lit. However, gonna need moar than that so we have a martch up on that basis.
GE-07-2013-T (3D buildings overlayed)
Candidates? for the pink/ purple lit building in Q-pics, such as ROT 1 Q1423.
Additional candidates for pink/ purple lit building?
Need some evidence of being lit colourfully.
Position?
Reverse view?
Triangulated with landmarks?
Fairly reasonable to include provided have evidence of colours. Position is plausible for each of these additional buildings.
But not gud matches for 22-DEC-2013-T which shows 18 Albert Embankment as the primary suspect. The lack of cranes lit in the Q pic could raise the prospects of one of these two additional buildings, along with 93 Albert Embankment (Penninsula Hieghts, or PH).
What say you, Anons?
The vid of a timelapse that takes route to 18 Albert Embankment also shows that location lit up colourfully - a few months after the Q pic time interval. But no cranes lit - of course it was recorded on a dashcam so not looking upward much. The caps from that vid were posted in PB.
Should not lose sight of the fact that most of the candidates for the pink/purple coloured building also reinforce the pre-2015-2016 conclusion UK Anons are working with for dating the Q pics.
If it turns out that the target bulding is 18 Albert Embankment, then 22-DEC-2013 remains a stake in the ground right in the middle of Christmas Week of that winter.
I think that address is coloured in 24London, also. So far none of that helps to narrow the Q pic time interval for EMB pics, but if this building's colours varied, then, we might have a means to do that narrowing.
For me the 22-DEC-2013-T is significant because of this marker but also because the same photographer took pics on that same date of other areas coverred in Q's pics, including the CH (captured yellow bike and other markers) and the riverbank wall adboard (only open sauce matching Q on that marker). The set bangs in the stake really well.
But if there are other canddiates that can not be eliminated for this pink/ purple lit building, then, the process might lead to something else that narrows the time interval better for our digz.
Was thinking about elevated night time views of the Embankments and figured could re-visit the NYE recordings of 31-DEC-2013-T. This recording includes the pre-show.
Confirmation of the rain, natch.
Mark 4:42
https://youtu.be/2KCKIPeHK-I?t=282
Interesting choice of interviewees in the crowd all improvised, certainly. Kek. Curious.
Mark 5:06
https://youtu.be/2KCKIPeHK-I?t=306
In this U-Toobs the fireworks were simulated. When I watch first time thought, How'd they do that full blackout? Kek.
Returned to 'live action'.
Mark 18:12
https://youtu.be/2KCKIPeHK-I?t=1094
So nuthin to add from that recording. But the BBC did the big show and there were a few views that Anons might find interdasting and maybe spot a few things, IDK.
Moar…
View from NZ House balcony, top floor. See Northumberland Ave and Traf Square.
Stock photos re Pink/ Purpse coloured building.
2010
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-london-united-kingdom-view-from-lambeth-bridge-over-the-thames-53462584.html?imageid=5B79D888-0495-4CBF-8DFD-89D48B0F34FA&p=174741&pn=3&searchId=f98a64120ca63d475dda457dc1bfde2c&searchtype=0
2019
https://www.alamy.com/new-office-block-and-apartment-building-skyscrapers-are-lit-up-at-night-among-construction-cranes-on-the-skyline-of-the-vauxhall-and-nine-elms-regener-image333310623.html?imageid=AACDB3F9-08FF-4E0C-93EA-607279E7DF57&p=300765&pn=3&searchId=f98a64120ca63d475dda457dc1bfde2c&searchtype=0
Stock photos
2018
https://www.alamy.com/london-england-uk-september-10-2018-the-sun-sets-behind-the-river-thames-and-lambeth-bridge-with-the-modern-riverside-skyline-of-office-blocks-image219397198.html?imageid=429BD824-BA53-49C4-902E-719338EFB829&p=300765&pn=1&searchId=d10a1e939770d191962395238d180b7f&searchtype=0
2018 Dusk
https://www.alamy.com/london-england-uk-september-10-2018-the-sun-sets-behind-the-river-thames-and-lambeth-bridge-with-the-modern-riverside-skyline-of-office-blocks-image219397370.html?imageid=614FF8C3-14AB-47B2-805B-844BB55F45F4&p=300765&pn=1&searchId=d10a1e939770d191962395238d180b7f&searchtype=0
2918 sunset
https://www.alamy.com/london-england-uk-september-10-2018-the-sun-sets-behind-the-river-thames-and-lambeth-bridge-with-the-modern-riverside-skyline-of-office-blocks-image219397145.html?imageid=2C030B2B-52CA-4DD4-A203-17DDCCCF6745&p=300765&pn=1&searchId=d10a1e939770d191962395238d180b7f&searchtype=0
Jan 2018 night
https://www.alamy.com/9-albert-embankment-l-tamesis-dock-floating-pub-park-plaza-hotel-c-and-corniche-apartment-block-r-with-river-thames-in-foreground-london-uk-image233186220.html?imageid=9AC818EC-31B8-4380-87F7-65A6EE7C16F6&p=577708&pn=2&searchId=912ef35f9394cc0cd5d83e4182f8e728&searchtype=0
2019 night
https://www.alamy.com/9-albert-embankment-l-tamesis-dock-floating-pub-park-plaza-hotel-c-and-corniche-apartment-block-r-with-river-thames-in-foreground-london-uk-image233186220.html?imageid=9AC818EC-31B8-4380-87F7-65A6EE7C16F6&p=577708&pn=2&searchId=912ef35f9394cc0cd5d83e4182f8e728&searchtype=0
2015 cranes
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-river-thames-at-westminster-bridge-millbank-tower-st-george-towers-78974110.html?imageid=EAFFD37E-C7AB-4AA7-B6DC-B3988EF1D551&p=213191&pn=1&searchId=d10a1e939770d191962395238d180b7f&searchtype=0
REFERENCE Pics
Blue on building beyond Penn Heights so prolly not in best position. But blue flood lights and almost right shape. Would need to be higher up building to more closely match Q pics. But more evidence of coloured lighting there.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ledgr/8490789154/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ledgr/8490789154/
>daytime view looking up the Thames towards our camera location at Hungerford
Very noice.
Each candidate's reverse view seems gud match. Gonna need moar, as always.
>square opening feature
That might be the front or short side of the 3-sided facade of 18 Albert Embankment. The shae of the building next door plus the treecover street level look like a match in these SV close-ups.
Whatdoyathink?
>16703360
>CROWN PLAZA and PARK PLAZA
Based on 22-DEC-2013-T, yes. And that open sauce matches up well with 24London.
The pink v purple does complicate things somewhate, based on evidence gathered so far.
Crowne Plaza has a pink motif - then and today. But not much in the way of obvious lighting to project that colour so brightly. but they could have used floodlights at times.
Maybe Anons could scour the ground level for possible floodies? Got no night shots with Crowne illuminated in this way.
Riverbank Plaza (which is the building that Anon might have meant re Park Plaza) at 18 Albert has been pohographed as blue and as pink. So that akes purple a sort of in-between hue that might have been captured depending on conditions and camera settings.
Both buildings had very reflective facades. Gonna say, for now, that Riverbank is the most plusible. But in the end, not sure it matters. Both buildings underwent significatn changes after the winter of 2013/2014 such that this pink/ purple lighting in the Q pics provides a reinforcement of the NOT AFTER bookend.
OK. Through this we have a location. Now for the cranes.
>How many cranes are we trying to place?
Scrutinizing the Q pic is one thing. That must be done. Doing the same with 22-DEC-2013-T must also be done.
That said,, we have signs of cranes in open sauces in places that would have been within the camera frames of each of the EMB pics. In that series of Q pics we could produce both a count and map of locations/positons.
2011, Crowne and Riverbank hotels.
>That said,, we have signs of cranes in open sauces in places that would have been within the camera frames of each of the EMB pics. In that series of Q pics we could produce both a count and map of locations/positons.
www.lonelyreload.com
2013_09_01_archive.html - First found on Dec 1, 2013http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TNR1coa-rJI/UkrThrrAaRI/AAAAAAAARrc/aSggOszbHc4/s1600/31%2BLondon%2BMadame%2BTussauds%2C%2BLondon%2BMetropolitan%2BUniversity%2C%2BPizza%2BPeeno%2C%2BEDF%2BEnergy%2BLondon%2BEye%2BExperiences%2BSheffield%2BHallam%2BUniversity%2Bstudent%2Btarc%2Bcollege%2Bfeelings.JPG
The cranes were unlit during the NYE fireworks. The brightly lit buildings, including the pink/ purple one, were subdued or partially lit and dimly at that, during that 31-DEC-2013 event.
Need night views of the same River scene during DEC 2013, but could also use earlier/later sauces of night time views of these cranes.
IF these were generally unlit at night, then, that would reconcile with the Q pics. On the other hand, if the Q pics captured cranes, lite dimly or not at all, then, that would do the trick, also.
Happenstance as searching for moar cranes, came across this image with two details that distinguish the scene from the Q-pics re CH.
Folded bollard on island.
Orange traffic cone at kerb front of CH.
Yellow bike in place is in all 4 Q pics of CH..
ROT 3, CH 1, CH 2 appear to show the yellow bike in SAME orientation and position. Not so sure about CH 3 (but significantly diff camera vantge).
Compare with 22-DEC-2013-T: very nearly identical.
Now, are these actually identical, IDK, but from what is visible can not discern difference. Perhaps other Anons have better eye?
The date, 22-DEC-2013, being a Sunday, may carry significance. Weather? Tidal? Lunar?
Sorry if this distracts from dig on cranes. Serendipity.
08-DEC-2012-T
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3377862
CH captured in 2012 (note the bike hire stall along the kerb) during the winter prior to the Q pics. Camera vantage approsimated that of CH 1.
Is the following observs caused by Magic Eye, frens?
There are two [2] pics of the Yellow bike taken by same photographer on 22-DEC-2013. Both show one wheel IN FRONT of a post. That is to say, the bike's wheel leans on the camera side of the post.
But the Q pics show the wheel BEHIND that same post. - with the exception of CH 3.
Here are close-ups of the two pics of 22-DEC-2013-T.
And close-ups of CH 2 and CH 3 for comparison.
All of the CH pics provide a view of both the Yellow Bike and the pedestrian island on which there might have been a collapsed or folded bollard. Take a closer look on that island. Compare with the stock photo of 2-MAR-2014-T in which the island surface looks a lot 'cleaner' than in the Q pics.
Do Anons see the diff between the Yellow Bike's position against that post? Does this distinguish CH 3 from the other Q pics?
AND do Anons see a folded or collapsed bollard, or similar object, laying on the pedestrian island in those Q pics?
Compare with the 22-DEC-2013-T pics, please. Compare with the stock photo of 02-MAR-2014.
Yeh, that Yellow Bike has been captured in SV images parked with one wheel in front of the post. See pic SV-MAY-2014-P.
Gonna try to tag prev posts in a bread to make it easier to keep track of posts related to London Pics during discussions now and future future archive/ search purposes.
>Something like a traffic notice to say keep clear of a certain street or intersection because a crane is going up/being taken down?
Good thot. The city might have some permit approvals too for moving equipment and even for operating hours for that equipment. Might indicate a more narrowed interval for first appearance and such. Might mean going into deeper onsite research or even writing or calling queries. Not all is on the interwebs.
>>16702568 >>16719993 >>16720242
>>16720729 >>16705019 >>16704327
>There's some blue
Yup, that's the same building at 18 Albert Embankment but after the additional floors were constructed. Interdasting that the short side of the three-side river view of that hotel could also be lit up like that. If it could be done prior to the addition of the upper floors, then, it might even provide a BETTER match with the Q pics than the northside view would have.
Like this pic from 2009
>>16704568 >>16705073 >>16704844
Compare with
In these views of the Yellow Bike, it looks to me like the front wheel was at times turned away from the kerb and the handle bars were rested against the post.
Not the same as other pics in which, to my eye, the bike was 'threaded' between the posts so that the rear wheel was chained to the left post and the front wheel, bolted, was rested on the kerbside of the second post, handle bars resting just so to keep the front and rear wheels lined-up together between the posts.
In all of these images shown so far, the bike's was oriented toward the Northumberland with the rearwheel pointing toward White Hall, or in the general direction of the park.
Depending on how the Q pics are viewed, with more or less zooming in, the bike seems to lean outward, toward the kerb, rather than inward, toward the hotel.
Anyway, as Anon has noted, if there are differences discerned between Ch3 and the other Q pics, and the bike might have been moved, and returned, then we have a distinct point within the time interval of the CH pics. Quite useful, that would be.
That pic of the TATT in the foreground, taken on 22-DEC-2013, shows the scene in daylight. Wonder if it contains hints of time of day; and if the tidal depiction could thus provide a sort of reference point to situate the Q pics - ROT 1 AND LisaMI6 come to mind.
If that was so, then, it might help re the appearance of cranes in the background. Just looking here to find more pieces to put on the table for this jigsaw. Trying to scrounge up more from the pictorial contents we've gathered.
By SV-JUL-2014 the yellow bike was replaced with a red bike, apparently.
Note how in these images the rear was pointed toward Northumberland and the front was pointed toward White Hall, or the park.
Reference.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5066183,-0.1234377,3a,75y,289.25h,93.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAludm0l0XVbgql6YZQ3rWw!2e0!5s20140701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Sorry, only one of those SV images from JUL-2014 showed the red bike pointed toward White Hall. Interdasting. This series of SV images from the same month showed the bike had been moved and returned.
SV-JUL-2014 VIEW
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5066183,-0.1234377,3a,62.6y,286.08h,85.63t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAludm0l0XVbgql6YZQ3rWw!2e0!5s20140701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
May 2015 view
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5065318,-0.123457,3a,34.2y,333.02h,85.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_FMfP1h9XoALRJzt6VMCwg!2e0!5s20140701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
An yet another with no bike parked.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5065318,-0.123457,3a,34.2y,333.02h,85.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_FMfP1h9XoALRJzt6VMCwg!2e0!5s20140701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Yellow bike on 2022, front wheel pointed toward White Hall, park. In this image the front wheel is chained to post and the rear is bolted.
SV-JUL-2022
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5066632,-0.1233641,3a,15y,249.8h,80.55t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s47_XkKn0PAPlPYjhPIr9JQ!2e0!5s20220601T000000!7i16384!8i8192
With the englargments of close-ups of the yellow bike in the CH pics, can Anons see difference/s?
ROT 3, CH 1, CH 2 seem to show the yellow bike has one wheel behind the Do Not Enter signpost; and the other wheel behind the other post; note that this second post stands in front of a shorter post a bollard perhaps and it is NOT a lampost but looks like another sign post but without an actual sign on it.
CH3 seems to depict one of the bike wheels behind the Do Not Enter post but the other wheel in front of the second post.
AND, if I am not mistaken, CH3 shows the bike pointed in opposite direction of the other 3 Q pics. Scrutinize the cross bar of the frame. Look for the seat v the handle bars. Maybe I am seeing things, IDK.
That's a brilliant observ, fren.
The alamy stock photo is dated, winter of 2018, few years AFTER winter of 2013/2014.
Noice that this confirms detection of the constellation in London pic. Very kewel.
Man acquitted re Air India bombing has been shot in Canada
https://twitter.com/i/events/1547655686493913091
Noice.
Both pics show the TATT's funnel as white on top so prior to her move to Hull for the upgrades and change in her colour scheme.
Alamy pic shows no shroud behind Big Ben, no cranes in the skyline of Albert Embankment, not Q-match for the banner signs on the TATT's rails on deck, unlit RAF eagle memorial (or low lit), decent view of the gate at the streetside end of TATT's gangplank, and a great view of the HISP'S ramp and its entrance awning at the sidewalk. No advert boards that I can spot.
So prolly pre 2013/2014. Gud reference for the markers, too.
>best date I can find is 1 May 2010
Sauce, fren?
The camera for the Discoveric pic was located on the ramp on the riverside of the river wall. Just before the gate at the backside of the Bazalgette memorial that is a marker in the EMB pics.
Kek.
>>16730686 >>16730811 >>16730914 >>16731159 >>16731429
Well done. Making the most of what we have. Noice observs.
Cap of Alamy stock photo, 10-AUG-2013-T.
>https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3781544
Cap of N. Chadwick pic of Thames skyline, 17-DEC-2013. Night.
No pink/purple lit building, apparently.
Interdasting date.