>>16841208

Agreed. Your firsthand insight is also useful in consideration of all possible alternatives to the high probability of a big moon captured in ROT_1. Process of elimination.

Here is another bit of pictorial evidence that supports the big moon as highy likely. This image was recorded 20-NOV-2014, almost a year AFTER the Q interval for EMB pics. So serves as a reference for modestly close proximity chronologically and for modestly close proximity for camera vantage and angle of view. Lower elevation, natch, as it appears to have been taken from the ramp that leads to the HISP gangplank.

In the marked-up version, note the sky over the rooftops of St Thomas as well as that over County Hall. The bright white object left of frame appears to be low enough to be on a trajectory that fairly approximated a big moon; whether or not that would match-up with late-NOV-2013 lunar evidece, IDK, but am guessing this was a full moon rather than waning moon.

>>16930780

Marked up version of 20-NOV-2014 ShutterStock.

Sauce stock vid, date taken 20-NOV-2014

https://ak.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/14657659/preview/stock-footage-london-by-night-with-london-eye-in-red-london-england-november.webm

>>16930802

Marked-up version of 20-NOV-2014.

Corrected for error in text in graphic.

>>16930808

>Lower elevation, natch, as it appears to have been taken from the ramp that leads to the HISP gangplank.

Correction:

Lower elevation, natch, as it appears to have been taken from the beside the steps that leads to the TATT gangplank.

Errors are organick and on the Qt.

KEK.

>>16930810

Good Eye.

Yeh, that bright light on mast was in multiple pics across time. Well, this illustrates how process of elimination works. Guessing that the "full moon" has been a sort of selling feature for that stock photo. Oye. Had me sold on it.

TY Anon.

PS anyone else getting lots of Qs in captcha?

>>16930810

Correction made to marked-up version of 20-NOV-2014 Shutterstock.

>>16930808

>>16930802

ROT_1 refresh.

>>16930830

>>16930944 >>16930830

ROT_1 refresh, marked-up sky above buildings, enhanced for higher exposure to mark-up crane over Samanaca worksite.

Rough representation of crane boom-cab-tower.

>>16930830

Previously, Anon detected another crane, possibly, along the Albert Embankment over the worksites around Riverbank Hotel - the purple building.

>>16841086

Here is an enlargment with adjustment for exposure in that vicinity along the skyline.

This one is even more difficult to pullout of the pixels of ROT_1 but, never say never.

Okay, so we have loads from the skyline that help to date ROT_1 for mid to late December 2013, plausibly Christmas week, and very possibly the day or two around Christmas da/night.

Am working on similar mark-up for the street/ground/river level of ROT_1; that is complicated by the many shared features with the other EMB pics, including LisaMI6 and so might be best treated in a vid rather than single markup.

Request: Anons please list the markers that you have found or that you think should be added to the list for ROT_1. For example, the skyline markup included TATT's funnel (white on top) which pushed the Q time interval back to at least early 2015; and then the adboards at HISP entrance pushed back to winter 2013/2014; and then the rarely captured signboard on the riverbank wall pushed back to Christmas week (22-DEC-2013 became stake in the ground around which other markers provided context).

Also reminder that owe a detailed analysis of the street traffic in the EMB pics and in the related CH pics. This has been done with rough images that may best be depicted in a series of infographics rather than video. But maybe both will be needed to illustrate the movement of some vehicles and the static positon of others. SO if Anons have observs to add on the traffic, please list them even if may seem redundant at this point Better to be comprehensive, I think.

>>16930995

Must add that the pattern of window lights on MILLBANK Tower has been crucial in pushing the Q interval back to Christmas week. The pattern is more difficult to depict in broad mark-ups of ROT_1, however, this is not to imply less significance to the analysis and discussion that has been undertaken on the distinctiveness of the Millbank marker.

Have been gathering images of Millbank's window lighting, as per upbread and previous breads, and it has become more and more obvious that the pattern in ROT_1 is an excellent marker for Chistmas week. The main difficulty is in relaying that especially for new eyes. The first goal is to decisively date the Q London pics as narrowly as plausible. The next goal is to narrow further based on high likelihood. Beyond that we can add speculations and conjecture so as to fill-in the gaps, as it were.

The Millbank tower window lights are augmented by the rooftop illumination. And, it mays seem odd at this moment, but I think the lighting on the facade and in the windows of the Speaker's apartments works very well in combination with Millb ank to narrowly date the EMB pics - especially LisaMI6; but most of that is conjecture and needs more evidence to firm-up. The weight of Millbank tower lights has pulled the Speaker's apartment lighting into the mix quite strongly.

So, Anons, please review past breads on Millbank, refresh with new observs or additional conjecture. Perhaps consider digging for more DEC-2013 images that depict the lighting changes or lighting consistencies.

At the moment am thinking that this topic credibly merits its own focussed infographics and vids as per EMB pics as a series. Muich progress has been made around the other markers and if we can pull more out of Millbank then illustrating its significance becomes that much more significant and, pragmatically, that much more worth the effort to depict decisively – BEFORE conjecture.

WWG1WGA

>>16929351

dat werks well

>>16841086

Yes, fren, that seems plausible to me. The reason I depicted that particular crane as more forward, toward the camera, is that there is no credible alternative crane at THAT location and it matched-up very well. So, not 100% yet. This means the less forward position more close to 18 Albert Embankment remains in the running, natch.

The iterations in this particular markup have not come to a close, yet.

Here is a panorama created from images in a ShutterStock video, taken circa December 2013 (as per the filename and description).

Shutterstock

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-5542220-london-united-kingdom—circa-december-2013

https://ak.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/5542220/preview/stock-footage-london-united-kingdom-circa-december-night-view-of-london-eye-observation-wheel-on-river.webm

>>16931097

Same sauce. Vidcaps used for Panorama.

Cap of Shutterstock website showing ca DEC 2013 vid of LE and skyline along River Thames.

>>16931097

>>16931115

>>16931102

>>16755927

TY ANON.

Correction made.

Salamanca Place is the name of the street and the name used for the worksite in the mark-up. It is the site of Parliament House Apartments aka PHA.

>Salamanca (a Spanish town name)

Noice detail.

>>16755927

>>16838274

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/e627e09c49f01a5cbed616ab09ae3f218a5d7c97eb3d3f2fcf030ca00c5fd751.png

>>16931088

>3) What do anons think about the possibility that we can actually see the St. George Tower peeking over the shoulder of MILLBANK? I remember mentioning it LONG ago but anons never picked up on it. Imho I can see its red light on top, AND its own pattern of lights (*which may also provide a point of comparison if we search its own Christmas portraits.)

For emphasis: St. George Tower peeking over the shoulder of MILLBANK

To confirm plausibility, need rto check other open sources. For example, there are many SV views from Waterloo Bridge that could line-up. Also from Hungerford Bridge. But there may be others from the river and such.

Some daylight pics work better on this sort of thing because the rooftops easier to distinguish when "layered" in still photos.

>>16931133

The date taken posted at Shutterstock was "CIRCA DECEMBER, 2013".

We do not know that the cranes behind LE were always parked above the rooftops. We do know that sometimes they appeared lower.

Depended on stages of site prep, demolition, construction, tear-down. Early December appeared to be an in-between phase at the worksite during which the ground demolition was completed, site prep was made for foundations, and the cranes may not have been in same place as previously and afterwards.

All of that needs to be firmed up better.

The hoarding on the tower behind Big Ben varied in form, as per the dig on the "shroud", and you have made an excellent observ on that score. The form of summer to winter was taken down before December 2013. Not sure of the narrowed date for that or if we have determined it yet. Could have been November 2013, IDK.

The purple facade was not always lit-up, for some reason. The observ is gud as it might lead to another way to narrow the time interval.

The cranes behind LE were not always parked above the rooftops. Depended on stages of demoliton/ construction.

>>16931088

>wheely bins seen by the tree between the gangplanks of TATTERSHALL CASTLE and how they are missing in the LISAMI6 pic making it an outlier among the whole EMB series

This also is an excellent observ that has proven very difficult to depict in a broad mark-up. It is a significant marker in context of the EMB series.

For the list of ground markers for ROT_1 specifically, could you help with a refresh? Please mark the target area on >>16930830 . Let me know if an enlargement or exposure adjust mght help.

>>16931088

>Bright Sister.

Will do. Gud idea to bring the related images together again for another refersh. The dig is closing in and time to take stock and nail the details that can be illustrated for new eyes.

>>16931122

There were two cranes behind the riverside buildings and given the angle of 24LONDON your speculation is credible, for sure. Even farther back from the Corniche and Dumont there was a worksite with tall cranes. Upbread or previous bread may have an image showing this. Possible GE? Hands full at the moment or I'd dig it up for you to doublecheck on these cranes.

>>16931199

Yes, recall that distinction between the two towers. It is an itnerdasting observ. The camera angle needed to reproduce or to simulate the towers in that formation has been tough to find. And that may be the reason it has not been advanced further.

There are four target areas that diggers might scrutinize more for potential markers. Here is a closeup of those four areas.

1. The space between the purpble building and the treeline at Bridge Street.

1. Millbank/St George lighting patterns.

1. Hoarding changes behind Big Ben.

1. Foot of Elizabeth Tower (Big Ben).

While this is specific to ROT_1, that should not limit digs on those areas as depicted in the EMB pics, including LisaMI6.

Something we have learned in the various digs on London Pics is that the empty spaces, or the seemingly gaps between obvious markers, can hold quite a good deal of content relevant to dating these images. These four areas have been overlooked, to some degree, and so have them on my list to dig deeper. Hope anons will dig in on those areas or others that have caught your attention.

Also, am trying to augment the lazer focus on dating each London pic with the notion that 2014/2016 markers may be relevant to the significance or meaning of the London Q drops overall. So moar of a broad view, time-wise.

>>16931282

>>16931256

Here's a partial mark-up of ROT_1 ground that depicts the target area for the trash bins marker.

Anon, please add text for refresh.

>>16931172

Vantage on Lambeth Bridge. Lotsa Cranes.

SV-OCT-2014 so much diff stages about year later. Still shows potential worksites to dig for werk being done in DEC-2013.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4946471,-0.1241284,3a,76.3y,90.41h,104.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_Z_jgrYsw8E-DhTJer_7Vw!2e0!5s20141001T000000!7i13312!8i6656

>>16931088 >>16931129

>>16931122 >>16931466

SV-MAY-2012

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4918964,-0.1204257,3a,90y,44.57h,163.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUfvte3G03WMbtPRyefuGwg!2e0!5s20120501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

SV-MAY-2016

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4918938,-0.1204111,3a,75y,44.57h,163.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sx9qUh2_1fONYKt8KSEtgSw!2e0!5s20160501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

A second apartment tower was added at Parliament House Apartments. This is the location of the Salamanca worksite and the crane I think was captured in ROT_1.

>>16931199

GE-AUG-2013 marked up to show approx line of sight from footbridge past Millbank Tower to St George Tower.

>>16930944

>>16841086

>>16839587

>>16838591

>>16838470

>>16838436

>>16827335

>>16838305

>>16930995 >>16931122

GE-AUG-2013 marked-up to show location of various cranes and worksites along Albert Embankment plus the site behind the railtracks. That was on Tinworth St, so tagged it as the Tinworth worksite.

The markup also highlights in yellow the length of shadows of each crane. Salamanca and Tinworth were prolly close to the same height at the time this image was taken. Things may have changed later. Tinworth demolition stage looked nearly completed. Salamanca was well into the construction stage and the crane would reach above the height of the existing apartment tower.

>>16931133 >>16931097

Here is another vidcap froms ame sauce re circa DEC-2013, Shutterstock.

Lots of bright white objects cross the cloudy night sky behind LE. Flights, I suppose. Any chance one of these was the moon? If no, ok. If, yes, then, might its trajectory be compared with big moons in NOV-DEC-2013 to see if can eliminate those two months for the dating of this stock vid?

Prolly the hoarding behind Big Ben is the better bet, if can find the latest date for the summer form and the earliest date for the winter form.

>>16935441

>1:48 Two crane cab lights above River Plaza Winchester, York House site - Urbanest construction; hoarding on tower at Westminster. Fairly darkened Millbank, St George Tower peeking out from behind; at least one crane above St. Thomas Hospital. Bright cab light and dim boom light at site of Parliament House Apartments

https://youtu.be/2OjQHt2UUqg?t=108

>>16935441

>2:34 View from within LE pod hoarding at Westminster;

>2:38 dimly lit Millbank and what could a group of cranes to the West

https://youtu.be/2OjQHt2UUqg?t=154

>>16935441

>3:16 View from water level, one possible crane cab light over County Hall

https://youtu.be/2OjQHt2UUqg?t=197

>>16935441

>3:20 Hoarding on rooftop behind Big Ben.

>>16937121

>3:29 Two crane cab lights where Urbanest site would be. One over St Thomas, one at Parliament House Apartments site. Still dimly lit Millbank

https://youtu.be/2OjQHt2UUqg?t=209

>>16935441

>3:53 Fireworks begin, Southbank Plaza building lit up indicating start of 2014

https://youtu.be/2OjQHt2UUqg?t=233

Anon, is that a full moon in topleft of frame?

>>16930995

Reverse view looking toward Q camera vantage from the LE at night.

06-JAN-2013

https://youtu.be/Dc3T2O4vMj0

>>16937260

Another reversive view from same vid.

060JAN-2013

https://youtu.be/Dc3T2O4vMj0

Possibly a lone crane light at York House worksite (now Urbanest) as viewed from Westminster Bridge.

Hoarding behind Big Ben matched other open sauces of DEC-2013.

Compare with SV-AUG-2013. That same hoarding took the form that appeared in summer/autumn of 2013. Meanwhile, also in SV-AUG-2013 on the River Thames, a single crane was captured in the location at which in SV-MAY-2014 on Westminster Bridge a pair of cranes was captured.

Thinking that tourist photos are very common on Westminster Bridge. Maybe there will be open sauce images with dates that show one crane in early DEC-2013 and two later. Should be a trarget rich time interval at THAT location. Really a matter of finding camera pointed in the right direction - 180-degs from Big Ben. Kek.

23-DEC-2013-P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rMJadxEjWU

Well, this was an unexpected find. While looking for NOV/DEC-2013 images of cranes and the rooftop repairs behind Big Ben, came across this 24-NOV-2013-T.

For UK diggerz who recall the hunt for movie posters and schedules in late 2013 London West End as per the Ticket shack in the Red Bus pic, you might now have better details to find the Q-matching flicks..

The vid was filtered with an old-fashioned movie effect so the tint is off. But I do think the vidcap provides a very gud Q match for that ticket shack.

>>16937577

Yeh, actually, on closer look it was a part of the firework show. Kek.

>>16937638

24-NOV-2013-T

https://youtu.be/7YErQn6Dgy8

Includes views of the Red Bus scene background, Piccadilly Circus, London Eye, and Big Ben.

>>16933179 >>16937687

CIRCA DEC-2013, London Eye and skyline, NIGHT. Screen grab.

https://youtu.be/hxubG7gkqbQ

>>16941084

30-OCT-2013-P

https://youtu.be/Xe_JVEVOTZY

At least three cranes spotted over worksites at York House (now Urbanset), St Thomas, and Albert Embankment (Parliament House Apartments).

>>16941148

Looked like a single crane at York House worksite, 30-OCT-2013-P.

>>16937408

SV-AUG=2013 view from River Thames = 1 crane over Yortk House worksite?

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/thumb/0e6e330835445e99da9b03dbec5d7520686618c6b7babc5b90b3a9305b860dd6.png

>>16941174

Same? 30-OCT-2013-p

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/thumb/4e5cf65defc52787d2354a427a3cbfb373d0f5bc02f751625a5e4224b6353146.png

Not apparent in the stock vid, CIRCA DEC-2013.

>>16941084

This could mean that the single crane at what would become Urbanest did not appear until sometime in NOV-2013?

Shroud behind Big Ben, 24-NOV-2013-T, multiple views (does it match the form in Q pics and in DEC open sauces?). AND the crane behind LE over York House worksite did not appear in that recording on that day.

This vid also showed the snowglobe at Piccadilly Circus, shopfront at Cool Britannia, and the last stretch along Coventry St to the area of the RED BUS pic's background (camera did not record quite high enough to see overhed decorations and/or fixings).

>>16941230

SV-AUG-2013

view of the shroud behind Big Ben, from River Thames.

SV-AUG-2013

view of Albert Embankment skyline with cranes, from river, looking over Westminster Bridge.

SV-AUG-2013

view of County Hall and LE, no cranes visible in skyline from vantage on river boat.

>>16941276

SV-MAY-2014

St Thomas worksite and crane.

SV link, St Thomas crane relative to Urbanest crane

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4984218,-0.1173545,3a,33.7y,288.82h,121.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slabd54LtM2YbLjFSl4tXWQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

>>16941308

>>16941325

SV-MAY-2014

St Thomas relative to The Eye and to Urbanest.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5002134,-0.1167789,3a,15.4y,211.27h,106.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUotu17aFlLmtRqFhAdqZtg!2e0!5s20140501T000000!7i13312!8i6656

>>16941331

GE-AUG-2013

St Thomas and York House (now Urbanest) relative to The London Eye.

Unknown date taken

Aerial photo of target area BEFORE appearance of cranes at redevelopment worksites.

>>16941402

Having prob uploading high res aerial photo that shows the BEFORE period. Includes the target areas of Piccadilly Circus, Whitcomb and Coventry streets, Corinthia Hotel, Footbridge, Embankment, TATT and HISP, The London Eye, the crane areas, and much moar.

Will try again laters.

>>16943196

>Perhaps this is a gud time to review the high tide definitely seen in ROT1.

The tides table and your mark-up is powerful stuff. The thinking behind is solid, I think.

Now, to ensure that we have tested both the thinking and the summary mark-up, could you list the factors, as you can recall, behind each of the following?

1. Tide seen in ROT1 is high tide.

1. TATT and HISP appeared to be closed for trade.

1. No buses in the EMB pics.

1. Millbank Tower light pattern/s in EMB pics indicate Christmas week.

Another point for which I have not found a strong inference is the lack of motorcycles in the EMB pics. In a previous bread, a vid recorded by a cyclist during the stormy weather that week, suggested that hazardous conditions might have severely reduced motorcycle traffic but that did not seem strong enough to eliminate such traffic. The shutdown of WW due to the inclement weather likewise suggested a reason for the lack of coaster cars on the coaster ride in the background of the WW pics. The puddles only dimly perceived in WW pics lent some support for prior precipitation; likewise the steady rain on New Year Eve both at the EMB and Piccadilly Circus; likewise the cloudy and rainy weather recorded during the New Year Day parade through London. So the weather provided some hints but nothing decisive, so far.

Might the high tide captured in the EMB pics add or detract from the inference of stormy weather or from precipitation prior to, or after, the taking of EMB pics?

This could bring us back to the lowered activity or inactivity suggested in the Millbank Tower light pattern/s. It might lend to the notion of early closing of floating restaurants (which could test by checking other such restaurants in vicinity). It might add meaning to the observs on trash bins in EMB and CH pics. Weather is so changeable, even on stormy days in London, that drawing firm inferences has been tricky.

Tanks for the Tide mark-up. It's a keeper.

Garry Knight, reference pics taken during winter 2014.

The Tattershall Castle

Taken on December 6, 2014

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/15600804594/in/photostream/

The South Bank is Crowded

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/16221335951/in/photostream/

London Eye Pier, It's getting near sunset.

Taken on November 28, 2014

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/16009522510/in/photostream/

Big Ben in Sunny London, Sunny, but chilly, being winter.

Taken on December 6, 2014

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/16037087689/in/photostream/

Thames at Dusk, The river, Big Ben, the Houses of Parliament, and the London Eye Pier.

Taken on December 7, 2014

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/16062154369/in/photostream/

>>16943905

Garry Knight 2013 pics

Rim Light, Late afternoon on the South Bank.

Taken on January 19, 2014

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/12541977095/in/photostream/

Westminster Station Entrance, Right next to Parliament Square.

Taken on December 29, 2013

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/12054415723/in/photostream/

Millennium Pier and Big Ben, Another view of the River Thames.

Taken on December 29, 2013

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/12054153145/in/photostream/

Built in 1902, Old buildings at Waterloo, London.

Taken on December 29, 2013

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/12054562434/in/photostream/

Sunny Saturday, Not your usual London winter weather.

Taken on December 28, 2013

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/11984427534/in/photostream/

Noon at Trafalgar Square, Lots of people, a blue chicken, and a floating Yoda.

Taken on December 28, 2013

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/11931167636/in/photostream/

London Winter Weather, Much more typical than snow.

Taken on December 15, 2013

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/11861489793/in/photostream/

Thames Afternoon, Another sunny late autumn day.

Taken on November 30, 2013

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/11651158075/in/photostream/

Thames Afternoon, Another sunny late autumn day.

Taken on November 30, 2013

https://www.flickr.com/photos/garryknight/11651158075/in/photostream/

Zoomed and enhanced for contrast in skyline.

>>16941230 >>16931133 >>16931097

Shutterstock vid, "CIRCA DECEMBER 2013"

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-5542220-london-united-kingdom—circa-december-2013

Compare the hoarding behind Big Ben in 30-24-NOV-2013-T

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/thumb/2a785a2b43f5bcb86942547a614a774b59a3804b3f6af329ac73b43d7094611e.png

and 24-NOV-2013-P

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/thumb/ae4c17c90febed9e193574b4b4496998c334235a6e1173a828a0b55caa84c2e2.png

with same captured in SV-AUG-2013

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/thumb/1f703a13533e04d109acabcf301e3581db26e5716845e3463d1991ee5e946182.png

and SV-AUG-2013

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/765baeea181f2f455799a92df7737d3f21285db08a3dadbd253a34600e0b2442.png

and in 23-DEC-2013-P

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/ab38933664e6d92c30f61b6bbbb92d20e7ebef781a7ecc56715c9cfe37d0cab4.png

and 19-JAN-2014-T

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/dd7b13ae7570f426ea88782e86324871d00f1594b4981286ac7ccef460cd435a.png

and with 30-NOV-2013-T

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/b911a330f6d641274d8acda8bb5bab051103a52fa38d4c7fcde53206505b9733.png

1. Did CIRCA DEC-2013 match ROT_1?

A: No. Top of the tower was not covered in ROT_1.

1. Which open sauce/s matched CIRCA DEC-2013-T?

1. Based on these images, here, what was the earliest that the Q form of this shroud? And the latest?

>>16944000

>>16941230 >>16931133 >>16931097

Shutterstock vid, "CIRCA DECEMBER 2013"

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-5542220-london-united-kingdom—circa-december-2013

Compare the hoarding behind Big Ben in with same captured in SV-AUG-2013

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/thumb/1f703a13533e04d109acabcf301e3581db26e5716845e3463d1991ee5e946182.png

and SV-AUG-2013

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/765baeea181f2f455799a92df7737d3f21285db08a3dadbd253a34600e0b2442.png

and in 24-NOV-2013-T

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/thumb/2a785a2b43f5bcb86942547a614a774b59a3804b3f6af329ac73b43d7094611e.png

and 24-NOV-2013-T

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/thumb/ae4c17c90febed9e193574b4b4496998c334235a6e1173a828a0b55caa84c2e2.png

and with 30-NOV-2013-T

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/b911a330f6d641274d8acda8bb5bab051103a52fa38d4c7fcde53206505b9733.png

and in 23-DEC-2013-P

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/ab38933664e6d92c30f61b6bbbb92d20e7ebef781a7ecc56715c9cfe37d0cab4.png

and 19-JAN-2014-T

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/dd7b13ae7570f426ea88782e86324871d00f1594b4981286ac7ccef460cd435a.png

>>16931097

My apologies.The link to Shutterstock is not the link to the stock vid that was used to show the Thames skyline and, thus, the shroud behind Big Ben. It was found in the same search that showed the CIRCA-DEC-2013 vid.

Searching for it now.

>>16931097 >>16944013

Different but same theme, DEC-2013 NIGHT view

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-5635049-london-2013-eye-by-night

14-APR-2013

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-3814031-london—april-14-skyline-night-view

>>16944033

Nejron, circa DEC 2013

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/nejron/video?searchterm=the-london-eye&sort=popular

>>16944035

NIGHT views LE and skyscape, APR-2013?

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-29331949-london-eye-on-thames-river-night-time-lapse

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-29331949-london-eye-on-thames-river-night-time-lapse

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-29331940-london-eye-on-thames-river-night-time-lapse

Day to Dusk

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-29331934-london-eye-on-thames-river-day-dusk

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-29331961-london-eye-on-thames-river-day-dusk

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-29331952-london-eye-on-thames-river-day-dusk

Text copied from shutterstock:

London traffic around Westminister square, Big Ben and House of Parlament Circa December,2013

https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-5737928-london-circa-dec-traffic-around-westminister-square

Seems the entry was misdated, as anon noted above.

Grist for the mill

https://www.facebook.com/TheTattershallCastle/photos/a.370010109986/10151848056324987/

Pic from TATT advert. See lack of Q-shroud behind Big Ben. See two red lights on two cranes behind London Eye.

And see big moon in night sky.

No date provided.

>>16944060

The TATT's "bridge".

https://img.tagvenue.com/resize/0e/5a/widen-1680-noupsize;7863-bridge-room.jpg

How are other investigations 'bridged' to 'illegal spy' campaign?

Q 4755

FBI CHAIN OF COMMAND MIDYEAR INVESTIGATION [HRC EMAIL]?

FBI CHAIN OF COMMAND FISA-RUSSIA-POTUS-FLYNN-STONE-PAPADOP-MANAF? [CIA BRIDGE_BRENNAN_INTEL ASSESS[17]_UKRAINE_LINK]?

FBI CHAIN OF COMMAND DNC HACK? [CIA BRIDGE UKRAINE CROWDSTRIKE_BRENNAN]?

RECONCILE.

IF CHAIN OF COMMAND + [DOJ-CIA[F + D] FOUND GUILTY [INDICTMENT CHAP 115 + [CLAS 1-99]] RE: USA V. [1-2-3-6] RE: FISA CAN THE SAME ARGUMENT BE MADE RE: MIDYEAR + DNC +++?

Q 3990

Treason-Sedition-Corruption at the highest levels of GOV (WW).

How do you repair a bridge without closing it down?

Q 2038

BRIDGES - connecting people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/us/politics/ezra-cohen-watnick-justice-department-national-security-adviser.html

Q 2058

Moar

>>16944000

>2. Which open sauce/s matched CIRCA DEC-2013-T?

APR and AUG 2013 open sauces matched the stock vid, not DEC-2013.

>3. Based on these images, here, what was the earliest that the Q form of this shroud? And the latest?

The earliest Q-match in the images cited above in this bread was dated 24-NOV-2013-T.

The match continued through 19-JAN-2014. And possibly beyond the current time interval for EMB pics.

>>16943961

30-NOV-2013

v

06-DEC-2013-P

These were captured around the same time, late-NOV and early-DEC 2013.

The vantage and camera angles are very similar. The single crane over York House was captured in early DEC; the crane over the rooftop of County Hall was captured in late NOV. In some DEC images the two can be confused, one for the other, depending on the vantage and camera angles.

Chadwick 28-SEP-2013-T did not capture the crane over York House; it may have been onsite but not tall enough or not parked such that its red light would be viewed above the rooftops.

Okay, so when did the second crane and light appear? What is the earliest open sauce showing it?

>>16944128

To back-fill support for the arrival of the first crane, high enough to be seen above rooftops, recall vid from 30-OCT-2013-P. >>16941174 >>16941148

30-OCT-2013-P

https://youtu.be/Xe_JVEVOTZY

And the SV view from the river, AUG-2013, of a crane at a lower height. >>16937408

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/0e6e330835445e99da9b03dbec5d7520686618c6b7babc5b90b3a9305b860dd6.png

>>16840596

KEMP 14-DEC-2013-T

This may be our earliest open sauce for appearance of the second crane and red light behind the LE.

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/d7a64a087e31d6af308e2ea1e67fdadcb7c8a332ec9ffcd0ecea1845c46b0e73.png

Given narrow interim between night shots without the second in that position behind LE, taken 06-DEC-2013-P and this view with both cranes taken 14-DEC-2014-T, we can werk with 14-DEC as the NOT BEFORE bookend for ROT_1.

The presence of these cranes at that worksite continue well beyond the current Q interval for the EMB pics so this marker does not provide a NOT AFTER bookend.

Observs, Anons? What was our previous early bookend for EMB? Has this scrutiny narrowed the interval?

>>16944169

Should add that the pair of cranes behind LE has further solidified the DEC-2013 interval during which Q London pics had been taken. And adds to the already strong bulk of pictorial evidence against these pics having been taken 2015/2016. In that sense, it helps tell that part of the story very well and quite clearly.

Sets the stage for inching inward toward Christmas week.

Have we a firm NOT AFTER bookend for EMB pics that excludes all of JAN-2014? How much more narrowly can we firmly support no later than Christmas week?

Markers that don't do that trick include the two crane lights, the shroud, and purple building.

The signboard on riverwall by HISP serves as a stake in the ground but lacking later open sauce images it can't yet provide a bookend. It is a rarity so that in itself may suffice, IDK. The yellow bike at CH does not provide such a bookend, right?

Possibilities? The motorcycle parking by the junction of V. EMB and Northumberland? Lack of motorcycles on the road? The trash bins in the EMB and CH pics are also more like stakes in the ground that distinguish images from within the London set of pics. Likewise Millbank tower lights.

The latter may be the best candidate; but the trash bins may be a very strong possibility, provided can back-up the conjecture more fulsomely. The limited goal might now be to establish a solid NOT AFTER bookend that eliminates dates AFTER Christmas week.

For instance, the probabilities for the Millbank lights pattern to remain almost unchanged for any period of time, may be low but an image of a change in the pattern during a time close to the end of Christmas week would be useful. A sort of close but not quite pattern?

The lunar and tidal date hold great promise, also, and yet are very dependent on these other markers to help set forth strong criteria for choosing a bracket of time. The weather has helped but varies within a day - except during that stormy period with high winds just at the start of Christmas week. Not sure there was something like that on the other side of that interval to serve as a bookend.

Once again, it should be asked, are Anons satisfied with with having narrowed the interval to Christmas week (some time AFTER the 22-DEC when the riverwall signboard appeared? Have we enough hard evidence, apart from good conjecture, to no later than Christmas week – boxing day, for instance?

For the RED BUS pic the vid taken on 24-NOV-2013-T showed that the police viewing platform had not yet been put into place where it would be recorded on 31-DEC-2013-T. If we managed to naildown the date on which that platform did appear, then, the NOT AFTER bookend could be firmed up; trouble is that the Q pic could have been taken after the platform was removed so we'd need moar there as well. That platform is like a stake in the ground eithr side of which there are some days that the RED BUS pic could have been taken. It is fair to surmise, however, that the Time frame of Christmas may exclude JAN-2014 but harder evidence would do the trick on that. Or have I missed something? In Piccadilly Circus, maybe? The snowglobe could have helped but it was not in the Q camera frame.

>>16944128

Sorry, repeated previous error. The vid that was tagged 06-DEC-2013-P was posted that date and taken by Chadwick on 28-SEP-2013-T.

The comparison can only serve to clarify that the crane light that appeared over County Hall and in the distance was not one and the same as the single crane light that at one time appeared behind LE.

That light appeared on 28-SEP-2013-T. When the second light appeared is the actual marker, when the pair of lights were high enough to make their red lights visible over the rooftops behind LE.

KEMP 14-DEC-2013-T is the earliest, so far, to show the pair of red lights/ cranes, right? That is the NOT BEFORE bookend?

>>16941294

Correction.

The view of the crane down the way from Westminster Bridge came from images of SV-AUG-2013.

NOT 2018.

SV-AUG-2013.

Graphic corrected also.

>>16944237

Comparison of ROT_1 and CHADWICK 22-DEC-2013-T.

The angle is different and there are other problems with a direct 1:1 comparison, but figure it might be worth a go since 22-DEC-2013 is also the date on which the one and only open source pic of the EMB that shows the riverwall signboard near the HISP entrance. Might be something, might be nothing.

There is also Chadwick 22-DEC-2013-T from Waterloo Bridge. Same closeup view drawn from confirms the location of cranes near the same buildings that seem to match-up in ROT_1.

Chadwick 22-DEC-2013-T view from Waterloo Bridge

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3816144

Chadwick 22-DEC-2013-T view of The Eye

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3816143

Also, a different photographer captured the snowglobe at Piccadilly Circus on the same date; that pic shows light traffic and simillar overcast conditions as in the Q pic of the same area on the Sunday before Christmas.

Farmer 22-DEC-2013-T

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3786715

Combined with the Chadwick pics of the yellow bike in the Corinthia Hotel vicinity, kinda makes a nice completed set.

22-DEC-2013-T might be a bit early in the Christmas week to be an excellent match with the Q pics, but it is pretty close, I think, to a fair match on multiple locations. Add Farmer at Piccadilly and the date looks very good.

>>16945158

Here is a very ruff vid making the comparison of ROT_1 with 22-DEC-2013-T.

https://youtu.be/bJ-QlUyfbCg

>>16945158

Do the cranes behind LE present any probs with matching ROT_1?

Also, howabout the tide? Looks like it might high tide? Does that help with the tidal analysis in that this is a daylight tide? Does this track okay with what is known from the data table? The storm would come the next day.

Monday 23-DEC-2013

https://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-12-22/winter-wonderland-closes-ahead-of-stormy-weather/

>>16944697

>different photographer captured the snowglobe at Piccadilly Circus on the same date; that pic shows light traffic and simillar overcast conditions as in the Q pic

No, not overcast, but in the shadow of the buildings.

>>16748204

UK diggers, please review the comparison pics of the Millbank Tower light pattern.

Here the challenge is to identify the closest match for each pic. By finding these matches we may then find potential sequences.

THEN we have dates already associated with some of these pics. Posted and Taken dates. And for one or two we have no date, yet.

Looking for detailed scrutiny. Pick a pic, compare it with each of the others. Find the closest match-ups. Do the same for each pic. It is my hunch that a pattern will emerge.

Still hunting for moar pics of this tower's lighting during DEC-2013. Inside and outside the Christmas week. For reference and for direct match-ups.

But we may already have enough.

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/46cd8d7504db716b26ba9f83a8b4f2a5ff228081b41dd6560bd008126766f73c.png

15800796 old bread

Reposting anon's observs.

Anonymous 03/06/22 (Sun) 19:55:31c7650c (19) No.15800796

>>15787245 [old bread]

Anon, I noticed this picture, with a waste removal services vehicle pulling out of Whitehall Place, was taken on a Sunday (27AUG2017).

Can we put that to use to form likely date(s) for waste bins being put out the night before? For Whitehall Place anyhao, a Saturday night. And of course the bins being seen in the ‘trafcam’ pics could be a diff evening from LISA.

So what I’m thinking is that the LISA pic (NO WASTE BINS) which the evidence seems to point to DEC 24,25,26, would fall on a T-W-TH. But the CH3 pic and trafcam pics which have WASTE BINS put out could be a SATURDAY NGHT, DEC28th, for Sunday waste pick-up.

Just something to think about.

Of course we have no proof the waste collection date for Whitehall Place hasn’t changed from 2013.

Just something to think on.

PIC referred to

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5514990

ALSO: the PappaD dig showed that his LONDON pic, posted on his old FB, was taken between MAY-2014 and MAY-2015; going by the clothing worn by people in the background, gonna say summer 2014.

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/807cd7a00ea3736f8b86a1a62ecfbcee64f38cc554549d680aa4699af188be42.png

At the very least we have a set of Q pics from winter of 2013/2014 followed by PappaD in London the following summer of 2014. If I recall rightly, spygate attached to PappaD in 2015 AFTER DJT announced running for pres but BEFORE he won the nom. This overall may be the London connexion between DEC-2013, Summer-2014, and subseuent 2015/2016 references re London.

Trash bins may seem incredibly trivial, to normal eyes, but the multiple days captured in the London pics may be the key to identifying the "universe" of suspected amongst the 6 targets of interest.

Just zooming back out from the details to look at direct-line implications and, thus, moar digging that may flow from the London pics. Re who was where and when.

>>16948184

Likes the ways you think.

Millbank Tower lighting pattern Sunday evening twilight or dusk.

SUNDAY 12-JAN-2014-T

https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3815099

>>16940460

>>16948173

>>16948257

>>16948173 >>16948257

Potential submarkers for sequenciing/dating?

The 12-JAN-2014 pic taken Sunday evening has fewer lights on than the DEC-2013 pics gathered here. Noticeable on first 3? floors.

Those are the floors that appear to be pretty gud matches with Lisa across the DEC-2013 pics, but not 12-JAN-2014.

The next set of floors highlight in 2nd pic attached, likewise more in common across DEC-2013, including Lisa, but not the JAN-2014 pic - and not "Bright Sister" showed more lights on one of those floors which might indicate an earlier time of day.

The third set as outlined in 3rd pic attatched seems to follow that same general theme - jan-2014 showed fewer lights on, and Bright showed more on.

Okay, observs Anons?

Still thinking that match-ups for each of these pics would push the dig forward. Could a UK digger undertake, please?

Off for a rest.

>>16948322

here is that 3rd pic showing comparison of Millbank light pattern.

>>16948298

Noice. Which is the 16th? Kek. How many floors does the tower have? 16th might be at about halfway down the full height? Not wure how to count floors in the available images. But would be useful to learn.

This Grade II Listed, 33-storey office tower occupies a position on Millbank overlooking the Thames, between Lambeth Bridge and Vauxhall Bridge. Built for the Engineering Company Vickers, it was originally known as the Vickers Tower. When completed, circa 1963, it was London's tallest building standing 118 metres high.

Located on the 29th floor of the Millbank Tower is Altitude 360, " … a renowned market leader in ultra-modern, exceptional experiences and service for events." The owners describe the facility as, "essentially a blank canvas, making it an impressive and versatile space for any event. Altitude 360 can be used as one continuous venue or the electronic retractable walls can be used to create break-out spaces and syndicate rooms. The rooms boast white marble floors, white-washed walls, black leather banquette seating, black slate bars and penthouse style designer furniture."

https://manchesterhistory.net/architecture/1960/millbank.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millbank_Tower

>>16948322

2nd pic referred to above.

>>16948322 >>16948356

2nd comparison pic mentioned above.

>>16948363

>>16948365

Huh.

Uploading pic again.

See posted list of Millbank and Thames River skyline pics available online.

>>14806980 VOB (very old bread)

https://8kun.top/qresearch/res/14352887.html#14806980

01-DEC-2013-T Leon Neal

Construction cranes behind LE

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/the-sun-sets-over-central-london-on-december-1-2013-afp-news-photo/452758673?adppopup=true

11-DEC-2013-T Daniel Sorabji

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/fog-hangs-over-central-london-on-december-11-2013-flight-news-photo/455082529?adppopup=true

31-DEC-2013-T 360 degree view from Westminster Bridge. Cranes. Moar.

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/fireworks-viewed-from-westminster-bridge-light-up-the-news-photo/459883341?adppopup=true

Examples here, but look/watch original.

>>16949056

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/fireworks-viewed-from-westminster-bridge-light-up-the-news-photo/459883341?adppopup=true

The New Year Is Celebrated In London With A Firework Display

LONDON, ENGLAND - JANUARY 01: (EDITOR'S NOTE: Image was created as an Equirectangular Panorama. Import image into a panoramic player to create an interactive 360 degree view. Exclusive Content, outside of all subscription agreements - Premium Pricing applies) Fireworks viewed from Westminster Bridge light up the London skyline just after midnight on January 1, 2014 in London, England. Thousands of people lined the banks of the River Thames near Parliament in central London to herald the start of 2014. (Photo by Peter Macdiarmid/360/Getty Images)

Credit: Peter Macdiarmid/360 / Contributor

Editorial #: 459883341

Collection: Getty Images Sport

Date created: 01 January, 2014

31-DEC-2013-T NYE Macdiarmid

Thames skyline behind Big Begn, camera located on Westminster Bridge,

>>16949056

Pair of cranes at York House. And the crane at St Thomas is reorientated so boom is more or less parallel with river.

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/f80ac089a877a0a164f0ff0d381619fb9b7b6d19029f23c3e08072e96f753b47.png

Tall crane at PHA appeared just as it did in other open sauces and as we suspected in ROT_1. Plus the other cranes farther back along Albert Embankment.

And while the purple building at 18 Albert Embankment, the Riverbank Hotel, is not lit-up, its facade can just be detected in the expected location. So looked quite a lot like ROT_1 in most respects - the purple building being prominent exception.

>>16948974

Anons, can you detect the pair of cranes or just one crane over York House worksite? I think I can see two. Then farther behind a very tall crane at PHA.

Not certain have mapped the taller buildings correctly. The photo was shot with a long lense, I think, and that may alter perception.

Here is image modified to enhance contrast.

>>16949221

Dated 11-DEC so could fit with KEMP 14-DEC?

>>16948974

Looks a bit like St Paul's in bottom right. Very long focal lense.

>>16948941

While this image, 01-DEC-2013-T, showed the skyline with cranes but not the target area behind the LE and along the Albert Embankment. Compare with >>16948974 which shows more of the target area.