8-NOV-2016-T.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NgOsVFAEw9Pd/
OCT-2011, Reference, view from footbridge similair to Q pics, especially LisaMi6.
VID
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mt7jBASQ5LvO/
Caps with highlights of areas of interest.
RAF Memorial.
Bright object in night sky.
Skyline at Albert Embankment
TATT's gangplank gate.
HISP's entrance re individual pedestrian for scale and comparison with LisaMI6.
Also note the aft deck of TATT, tables, seats; note the lack of interior illumination on the bridge dining area. For comparison with LisaMI6.
Vid, comparison, LisaMI6 with two open sauces.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bzft57cyoYTI/
Purple Sister, vid mark 1 minute
https://youtu.be/eDzV7cMRvHM?t=63
The vid shows pics from a photo competition. Photographers had 24 hours in middlle of July 2014 to tke improvised pics of London. However, the rooftop shrouding over construction work behind Big Ben indicate this particiuar photo was tke in DEC 2013 and not in JUL 2014.
The closeup view of Millibank Tower lights on upper floors suggest a strong match with LisaMI6. >>16747303
There are other open sauces that narrow the time interval to Christmas week and quite possibly even narrower.
Given the 22-DEC-2013 pics of the EMB area taken by N. Chadwick and posted online (see prev UK breads0, perhaps Anons could take a re-look for more pictorial evidence and analysis.
The 24London open sauce photo (nicknamed "Purple Sister" re LisaMI6) has been marked up to point at potential time markers.
In addition to the two red lights on consstruction cranes, can Anons spot other cranes?
An arrow points at a bright white object near a rooftop. Can we rule out the Moon? Might it be another safety light - although it is much brighter and appears larger than other rooftop lights in various sauces and did not apper in Q pics, item A. Perhaps it flashes on and off and just had not been captured randomly.
Item B is pointed at a dim object inthe skyhline that may be another crane in some distance beyond the waterfront buildings. Or on a building and just between intermittent flashes?
Item C points at the 'gap' in the row of waterfront buildings. This may indicate time taken related to demolition schedule? While this area was not well-captured in Q pics, it was in the frame for the 22-DEC-2013-T submission of Chadwick. This has been compared with SV imagery in the previous UK Bread.
Three encircled areas include Millibank Tower, rooftop shroud, and RAF Memorial.
Moar points of interest in comparison between open sauce pics and LisaMI6. Each of these points have a story of its own so will add text analysis in short while.
>In addition to the two red lights on consstruction cranes, can Anons spot other cranes?
>Item C points at the 'gap' in the row of waterfront buildings.
Look for these points, and others, in closeup of the Albert Embankment as cap;tured by Chadwick 22-DEC-2013.
The 24London pic (Purple Sister) matches up ok with Chadwick's pic re the gap in the waterfront buildings and some, if not all, of the location of the two obvious crane red lights. The daylight pic shows more cranes that, if present, were not lit-up in nightime open sauce pics - and not apparent in Q pics. This comparison does not prove the cranes were present nor that they were not present at time of Q pics. But it remains an open question. Hence the significance of the construction schedule on Albert Embankment. Give the stke in the ground provided by Chadwick, 22-DEC-2013, we can use pics from that same time interval, if possible, to relate back to the Q pics, I think.
Likewise for open sauce images that captured Christmas week lights and markers in the area around the foot of the Eye.
This aerial pic was taken from the Millbank Tower. Have misplaced the date taken, however, it it was before the Q time interval by a few years, if I recall correctly.
Note that the gap in the row of waterfront buldings had not yet appeared at the time of this pic. Also the Crowne Plaza had not yet undergone rennovations. And 18 Albert Embankment, the building with the 3-sided waterfront, had not been rennovated; this is the brightly lit purple/ pink building in other pics, including Q pics.
So this predates the time interval of Christmas week 2013. However it is a very good reference for other considerations.
>>16747634 >>16747671 >>16747575
What follows is a series of SV images taken from the street at the foot of Millbank Tower. The various SV images along the Millbank (A3212) provide a view of the other side of the river which is obstructed by treecover. Coincidentally, the best view of the area of interest is from the approxiamte locaton of Millbank both elevated and on the ground level.
Orientate on GooMap - see Millbank Tower across the river from Park Plaza River Bank hotel.
For the sake of completedness, this series of SV images includes 2012 to 2020 so as to capture the demolition and construction period on this part of Albert Embankment.
SV-SEP-2012
SV-JUN-2014
Here is a good view of the area of interest on Albert embankment. It appears to have been taken from a position over the riverbank wall, likely on the river.
This pic predates the Q time interval as per the prev explanation in >>16747671 .
The SV images from the roadways once again has a gap for the year 2013. This gap in SV imagery exists on the Victoria Embankment side also. Coincidence, maybe.
Well, GooMaps does show a view of both sides of the river from the deck of a boat on the Thames and this was captured in 2013.
SV-AUG-2013
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4920119,-0.1241766,3a,89.9y,98.97h,97.75t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spW-GcO9F-d6kga76LgpxfA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DpW-GcO9F-d6kga76LgpxfA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D113.33927%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Preprations for demolition are evident at the area that would become a gap in the row of buildings along Albert Embankment.
The vantage for this view is prolly pretty close to the position on the river of the boat seen in the last pic - >>16747778
So from this series of SV images we can confirm that 22-DEC-2013-T which shows the gap must have been taken after SV-AUG-2013. This just helps reinforce the winter 2013/2014 time interval for the Q pics.
Add sries of Chadwick pics from 22-DEC-2013 and we can connect the appearance of the gap in the row of buldings with the Q pics and Christmas week.
Nothing spectacular but this is the foundation for the re-look that I invite Anons to undertake.
>It appears to have been taken from a position over the riverbank wall, likely on the river.
Correction. That observ is out of date. From notes on a different pics which was undated. Apologies
That pic which pre-dates Q pics, was prolly taken close to the following lcoation.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4909422,-0.1260912,3a,89y,94.54h,98.76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snfYKR8lBa4uME-pQ-HYZxQ!2e0!5s20080901T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Add this to the mix. Getty stock photo, 25-DEC-2013-T. This is an old find with which Anon found a match with the upper floor lighting on Millbank Tower in LisaMI6.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-sun-sets-across-westminster-and-the-london-eye-on-christmas-day-picture-id459313291?s=2048x2048
And this one.
https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/cityscape-at-night-royalty-free-image/601905855
Could Anons help confirm the date take for each?
Anothe to date.
https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/photo/illuminated-hungerford-bridge-and-golden-jubilee-royalty-free-image/686787501
>>16747303 >>16748013 >>16747575
Getty Christmas Day pic provides close match with LisaMI6 and with 24London. There are differences, of course, and so these three pics taken together indicate a passage of time within the same narrow time interval.
Will refine these comparison pics but for now work in progress.
Okay, so we have four good views of Millibank Tower lights at night around Christmas week 2013.
So to revisit the foundation. Note the shroud behind Big Ben, in each of these pics. Blue Eye.
Also note the lights on/off status at the Speaker's apartment, corner of Westiminster Palace. LisaMI6 shows that building's interior lights off and no, or very dim, flood lights. This is matched in 24London and Getty 25-DEC-2013-T. The flood lights are on for >>16748035 and the interior lights are on for "Bright Sister" (middle pic in >>16747303 and middle pic in >>16747587 . Gonna suggest that where the floodlights are full on th Speaker's apartment, th epic was taken EARLIER than those with floodlights off; and same for the interior lights on vs off. This needs to be confirmed, natch.
Righto, next, compare the lights on Millibank Tower. >>16748204
Consider the upper level firt. The pattern holds across LisaMI6, 24London, 25-DEC-2013-T, and holds partially with >>16748035 in which one of the floors that are fully lit in the other pics is somewhat dimmed.
Next, the middle level floors. Unfortunately, in LisaMI6 this area is partially obscured by items between it and the camera. Still there is a discernible pattern that holds across LisaMI6, 25-DEC-2013, and >>16748035 . This does not hold in 24London and Bright Sister.
The best match may still be 24London (Purple Sister). However, we have a dated pic, 25-DEC-2013-T, provided by Getty stock photos. That pic is a gud match for LisaMI6, too. It may be a better match.
Then there is >>16748035 which needs to be firmly dated. It looks like a good match except for just one upper floor difference.
To stitch together this analysis of the EMB pics will be quite the challenge.
1)
22-DEC-2013-T provides gud Q-match for the row of buldings on the riverfront of Albert Embankment. This pic shows cranes that are very difficult to confirm in the Q pics, if at all. This pic is a daytime shot.
2)
25-DEC-2013-T from Getty is a gud match with Lisa-MI6 re Millibank Tower and the Speaker's apartment. Night shot.
We now have a series of open sauce pics that on their own show a range of changes within a time interval staked on 25-DEC-2013-T. And a series of pics of the Albert Embankment which reinforces 22-DEC-2013-T as a good proxy for examining the buildings in that location which is not well-captured in Q pics.
The pink/purple building is in each EMB night pic except for LisaMI6 because it is just out of camera frame. 24London provides a proxy for that aspect of the analysis. This building is out of frame of the other pics that show the Millibank Tower lights.
Two proxies: Chadwick 22-DEC-2013-T and 24London.
Thanks, anon.
Shroud on rooftop behind Bg Ben not present JAN 2021.
Tineye is not as good a resource as it once was.
That DEC-2014 [oc is a terrific find and helps to clarify the cranes in December 2013. The bright white light seen in 2013 pic is part of the boom/crane and so can confirm not a celestial object.
The pic you found also helps show differences in the skyline behind Westminster and differences on the rooftop of Westminster.
The cranes in DEC-2014 did not appear in Q pics so that's a good distinguisher. As is the changes in the shrouded rennovation work on the rooftop of Westminister. The shroud behind Big Ben was taken down early spring 2013; the work around the Lord Speaker's apartment (i.e. near the House of Lords) began that same spring of 2014.
The DEC-2014 pic also confirms the pink/ purple building's location.
Wonder if it was late afternoon or early morning when that DEC-2014 pic was taken?
Another way to identify the relevant stock photos is by the photograher's name.
Justin Setterfield, 25-DEC-2013-T
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/56ad217b16818d3b9151c942f6c2db2d1119658426f6a27ff7d443bbe27cf504.png
David Gonzalez, date not specified
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/bf30272d2acca49233c831d703a98d84756a9d20c7b7c4784c6f76b3c850e98a.png
Nigel Allison, date not specified
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/0ce9a1a4d6dd641716c37ab74c9ccbdac1aa9fc4ed79d44e8b95ca9926e1ccbb.png
Now, technically, all three of these have no specified date as per the online details that Getty provided, however, the first, JUSTIN, has Chrismas Day in its filename and the pic markers indicate DEC-2013.
On the other hand, these pics were taken from similar vantage and also in the same winter, as per the markers within the camera frames.
Mike Kemp, Date created: 14 December, 2013
UK - London - South Bank View during the busy Christmas season towards the London Eye and Westminster
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/view-of-the-southbank-during-the-busy-christmas-season-towards-the-picture-id527454362?s=2048x2048
Request for Anons:
Please show the following video to a normie. The purpose is to test this video for ease of comprehension. No audio so you might have to provide a very brief overview regarding, not the Q aspect, but the mapping of the three key markers, plus the PLAZA's main features.
Ask your normie to watch a video about the central Plaza at the major theme park of London UK. Ask them to look for a carousel, a big ferris wheel, and a special kind of rollercoaster ride. Tell them to be prepared to walk through the crowds, ride up a tower, and be flung about on a giant pendulum that is out of control. Kek. Then, show the video and observe their reactions.
Then ask your normie to map out on a piece of paper, or verbally, the main features of the PLAZA that they can recall offhand. Don't prompt them for the three main markers.
Next ask them to watch again and to look for the direction tree, the polar bears on a kiosk roof, and a place called Apres. Telll them that they can pause and rewind as much as they need to find those three things.
And, finally, query them about the 3 main markers that you had mentioned at the beginning. Just note their remarks and reactions.
This sort of testing of the normie viewership is something I've done myself and it gives me new eyes, actually.
Eventually whatever we learn from our London Pics digz and from Q regarding the significance of this series of pics, we will have the choice to spread the word widely. That is so for a huge swatch of the digz on Q drops on all kinds of topics and places. Think of this as preparation for ourselves but also for refining our approach to the most basic elements of communications for normies.
Cheers
PS Note that this is not brand new video but it has shown itself useful for the stated purpose. If you have another in mind, or an infographic, that does not focus on Q aspect but on viewer comprehension of important bits and pieces, then, by all means spearmint away and let me know how it goes.
Winter Wonderland, London UK, The Plaza and its attractions.
https://youtu.be/CpRGKZH4ZKE
The link?
Here is an enlargement of the area of interest. The date taken is prolly within or near the Q time interval, I think. So that clear view of the crane with the two red and one white light is relevant. It is a good ref for Millbank too.
Link, fren?
The date take you cited is plausible. Demolition apparently took place in the Fall of 2013. We need better pictorial evidence and documentation on that, natch.
Here's another enlargement.
GE-MAR-2012
Imagery Date: 8/2/2011
View Location: 51°29'27.88" N 0°07'18.01" W
Been meaning to inquire about the date information on these GooEarth views. As you can see, the User Interface displayed 03/2012 while at the foot of the view is displayed imagery date of 8/2/2011
This view is "upside down" from the other images posted which show the facades. The activity behind the facades turns out to be significant in the next image but, more importantly, the shadows and such seem, to me at least, more easy to interpret from this side.
GE-JUL-2013
Imagery Date: 18-JUL-2013
View Location: 51°29'27.88" N 0°07'18.01" W
Also close-up view of start of demolition.
51°29'26.92" N 0°07'18.99" W
From this we can infer that the crane was erected in JUL-2013 but work on the building facade was not evident until the appearance of the hoarding as per SV-AUG-2013 (posted above) >>16747817 and as per the date taken on shutterstock photo (posted above) >>16749877 and as per closeup >>16753025 we can infer that demolition on the buiding began sometime in SEP-2013.
We are missing pictorial evidence for SEP-2013, however, we have the gap captured in Chadwick 22-DEC-2013-T which serves as a proxy to compare with other images which Chadwick took the same day with the related pics discussed above including 25-DEC-2013-T.
We also have an obscured view from Chadwick 28-SEP-2013 (posted above) >>16705019 which shows cranes at Albert Embankment.
All told, we have a time interval for the appearance of cranes at night with 28-SEP-2013 as a stake in the ground, rather than an actual bookend. The NOT BEFORE, just for the night lights on cranes, appears to be mid JUL-2013 - around the same time that the particular crane first appeared to be setting up in GE-JUL-2013 (Imagery date 18-JUL-2013).
That crane may be fully setup, IDK. Its lights may be ready to be lit-up for night time. If it was, then, there might yet be evidence of its lights over Albert Embankment during the summer of 2013. However, the SV-AUG-2013 images did not show the crane yet.
So we have evidence of the gap and we have evidence of crane lights. As mentioned earlier, this is useful information for comparing with proxies for the Q pics.
Can Anons discern cranes in the Q pics over Albert Embankment? Might the work on these buildings have been done and the crane removed by sometime before Christmas week? Moved, perhaps, to another project farther behind Albert Embankment such that red lit cranes reappear in the vicinity, as seen from vicinity of Q cameras, after the Q interval? This might explain the pictorial evidence but it is only speculation at this point.
All of that goes by the wayside if there are cranes evident in Q pics.
Another close-up, GE-JUL-2013.
I don't think there is hoarding to match that in SV-AUG-2013 >>16747817 .
But in that SV imagery there is a low crane just visible above the height of the buldings there.
Four cranes.
GE-AUG-2013.
Is this crane being assembled?
Pre-facade-hoarding, perhaps?
I don't see signs of deconstruction, yet.
SV-JUL-2014
General area of interest in SV-JUL-2014.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4917844,-0.1220129,3a,75y,139.49h,113.14t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sof4KpkidSnmVioYODEiirw!2e0!5s20140601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
SV-JUN-2012.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.491779,-0.1220215,3a,75y,139.49h,113.14t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sVApn8pD4IHJIMr0UGB5xZQ!2e0!5s20120601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
The SV view of JUL-2014 showed lower cranes. This might contribute to the plausibility that taller cranes were used to demolish in the Fall and that these were replaced or modified such that the cranes would not appear above the height of the buildings during Christmas week - and thus explain the non-appearance of crane lights over Albert Embankment in the Q pics.
Another simple explanation could be that the crane lights were obscured by the treecover along Victoria Embankment.
And so we must make the most of the proxies that are currently available to us for Christmas week, or around that time.
Up river to Westminster Bridge
Chadwick, 22-DEC-2013
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3816144
And a closelup modified to enhance view of the cranes and buiding profiles.
NSA_Traf_CAM_LONDON2847
Also a modified version to bring out the treecover which obscures the view of Albert Embankment.
NSA_Traf_CAM_ROT1 - 1423
Also modified exposure which reveals the treecover that somewhat obscures view of Albert Embankment.
Zoomed-in to the pink/ purple building, 18 Albert Embankment, it is possible to discern the white horizontal lights of the ground level there; and the shape of the bright building appears to conform to the shape prior to the rennovations that took place starting the following year. Beyond that, there appear to be no cranes over that area of interest.
Would the treecover alone account for no red crane lights? IDK.
Why would such a detail be scrutinize, you might ask. Well, the cranes stood there, as per Chadwick 22-DEC-2013, but their red lights do not appear in the Q pics. This discrepancy can not be explained, I think now, by a lull in the work being done in that area, nor by a change in the cranes, UNLESS such occurred AFTER 22-DEC-2013.
And if that is the case, then, those lights are marker for further refinement of the time interval bookends for EMB pics.
If instead there is an explanation, or evidence, that shows some other factor that would make those lights subdued, and thus obscured completely by the treecover on Victoria Embankment, or were turned off or otherwise removed from view, then that too could provide a new marker.
Having taken this dig as far as it seems possible, at this time, I am going to drop the crane and purple-building dig and turn to other possible refinements of the EMB time interval. for instance, there may be more than one such interval for this subset of the London Pics. Analysis of the traffic provides something that may do the trick.
Should add that, of course, the use of proxies to analyze the Millibank Tower lights, and the stake in the ground represented by Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T, may suffice to narrow the time interval to two or three days/nights.
Here is a series of DEC-2013 pics, plus a summer pic, of those lights. These closeups come from the pics posted upthread. Will refine later but for now can Anons rank these in terms of closeness of a match with LisaMI6? Observs?
Picadilly Circus Snowglobe
Chadwick, 22-DEC-2013
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3786715
Note the lack of heavy traffic, if any. Light pedestrian traffic, too. Time of day?
Fair to say that some of us have been curious about the source of the bright lighting that caused 18 Alberta Embankment to shine pink or purple (or bue for that matter). Well take a close look at the SV-MAY-2012 windows. They are covered by a layer of glass mounted to the facade. And between that layer and the windows there is what looks like a series of a type of flood light that might have been capable of throwing different hues of illumination against the layer of glass panels. Speculating.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.491739,-0.1216146,3a,64y,183.62h,138.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siQ8uq0lilKrF_6nXmZI3wg!2e0!5s20120501T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Fair to say that some of us have been curious about the source of the bright lighting that caused 18 Alberta Embankment to shine pink or purple (or bue for that matter). Well take a close look at the SV-MAY-2012 windows. They are covered by a layer of glass mounted to the facade. And between that layer and the windows there is what looks like a series of a type of flood light that might have been capable of throwing different hues of illumination against the layer of glass panels. Speculating.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.491739,-0.1216146,3a,64y,183.62h,138.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siQ8uq0lilKrF_6nXmZI3wg!2e0!5s20120501T000000!7i13312!8i6656
View of the glass panels from the other side of 18 Embankment. Maybe the floodlights shone directly onto the facade, which does not look like actual brick.
Maybe there was some hoarding in place by SV-AUG-2013 / GE-AUG-2013. Doesn't appear to have been rapped around the riverside of the building in the GE pic; if so, then, the SE pic was captured AFTER the GE sat image.
Several months later, the SE-JUN-2014 images captured rather low crane work in the gap left behind by the demolition of 20 Albert Embankment (aka Hampton House).
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/55cc746779addacdb15ceebf05d61b459d11099f6c19be5c59efef734ba38a79.png
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/london%2C-uk-24nd-december-2013.html?imgt=0
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/london%2C-uk-25nd-december-2013.html?imgt=0
Crowne Plaza hotel to open on Albert Embankment, 27 September 2013
https://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/7106
Albert Embankment: rooftop club overlooking Parliament approved/ 7 August 2016
Plans for a rooftop private members' club on Albert Embankment with views of the Houses of Parliament have been approved by Lambeth councillors.
A representative of the 9 Albert Embankment Residents' Association reminded the committee that the council had received more than a hundred objections to the proposal, which was effectively for an open-air bar 10 metres from families' homes.
Paul Thelwell of Cannon Corporate UK told the committee that the roof terrace would create a further 26 jobs in addition to the jobs linked to the main hotel operation.
He said that the hotel will be "aimed at discerning customers who want peace and quiet from their hotel experience" and the club is for "our guests and a small number of hotel club members".
Prince's ward councillor Joanne Simpson urged the committee to impose conditions on the planning permission to safeguard her constituents from noise "all day, every day".
Cannon Corporate UK is owned by Mudhar Shawkat, a former member of the Iraqi parliament and opponent of Saddam Hussain who now has Canadian nationality.
Last year Mudhar Shawkat called for the creation of a 10,000-strong Sunni army in Iraq to take on the so-called Islamic State.
https://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/8868
For emphasis:
Cannon Corporate UK is owned by Mudhar Shawkat, a former member of the Iraqi parliament and opponent of Saddam Hussain who now has Canadian nationality.
Last year Mudhar Shawkat called for the creation of a 10,000-strong Sunni army in Iraq to take on the so-called Islamic State.
Albert Embankment Residents' Association
11 December 2013
https://se11actionteam.blogspot.com/2013/12/victory-for-residents-8-albert.html
Park Plaza's bid to grow taller deferred by Planning Committee, 1 May 2013
https://se11actionteam.blogspot.com/2013/05/park-plazas-bid-to-grow-taller-deferred.html
ast night Lambeth's Planning Committee spent an hour and 40 minutes considering the Park Plaza Hotel's bid to add several storeys to the front of their building. Objectors representing residents of 9 Albert Embankment and Salamanca Place did an excellent job questioning the effect the extension will have on light to their homes (which are already some of the darkest and most enclosed residential areas in the borough). In the end the Committee decided they couldn't make a decision because the information the hotel and the council officers were providing on daylight wasn't clear enough.
Albert Embankment "stealth bomber" hotel extension approved, 24 July 2013
https://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/6992
For emphasis:
The committee agreed to the plans with three votes in favour, one against and three absentions.
Later in the evening a proposal to vary an existing permission for the redevelopment of Wah Kwong House at 10 Albert Embankment, to allow for the new building to operate as an hotel rather than the agreed apart-hotel was approved…
PUBLISHED: 09:09 EDT, 22 December 2013 | UPDATED: 09:55 EDT, 23 December 2013
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527889/The-soggy-Christmas-getaway-Motorists-warned-heavy-rain-80mph-winds-river-bursts-bank-York-city-centre.html
Millions have had their plans for the Christmas getaway thrown into complete chaos today as a violent storm has hit western Britain and will spread eastwards across the UK over the next 24 hours.
Railway stations and airports are already filling up with passengers after they were urged to bring forward their journeys so they can get home before the bad weather sets in across the majority of the UK this afternoon.
The Met Office has issued a severe weather warning running into Christmas Eve because of gale force gusts of up to 80mph and flooding caused by torrential rain. Gusts of up to 70mph have already been recorded.
The storm will hit in two waves, first peaking across the UK this afternoon, with a slight lull in the evening before wind and rain intensifies again overnight before clearing on Christmas Eve morning.
Many train operators are offering customers the chance to use any pre-booked tickets for travel on earlier trains in order to avoid the expected disruption, with hundreds of cancellations expected during the evening rush hour.
And if the trains do run journeys are likely to be substantially lengthened as a nationwide train 'go slow' of 50mph is likely to be imposed.
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The severe weather warnings are in place until 9am on Christmas Eve, threatening to cause localised flooding across southern England and Wales, particularly in areas which have already experienced plenty of rain in recent weeks with the ground already saturated.
'We have a rainfall warning all the way through to 9am tomorrow morning and we're expecting in the region of 30 to 40mm, particularly over Dartmoor' said a Met Office spokesman.
Taking its toll: The strong winds cause a tree trunk to fall and crush a van on Cannings Road in East Croydon, London
Taking its toll: The strong winds cause a tree trunk to fall and crush a van on Cannings Road in East Croydon, London
'The wind is probably the main feature, and we'll see the wind pick up across the south. They will be gales really, everywhere across southern and central areas.
'The real focus for the strongest winds will be in the South East and all along the south coast today - there will be severe gales.
'We will be asking people if their travel is really essential - of course today will be the worst day for travel with the holiday period getting underway, it's the worst possible time.'
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Meanwhile, Winter Wonderland in Hyde Park, Central London, will be closed today due to the high winds.
Many operators removed limits on day tickets for today in an effort to stop customers travelling today when 50mph speed restrictions are likely to be in place.
Robin Gisby, for Network Rail, said: ‘Our fundamental concern over the next 48 hours is to get everyone where they want to be for Christmas.’
He added: ‘I want to be very clear that our priority is running as many trains as we can safely, rather than worrying about hitting the timetable bang on.’
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The worst of the weather is expected to clear by the end of Christmas Eve.
Those looking to make an early getaway have been hit by minor problems, with some England to France ferries delayed due to poor weather.
And train companies looked ahead to today, advising customers to plan their journeys around the heavy winds to avoid disruption.
East Coast is halving services from teatime today - with just four trains an hour instead of the usual eight in and out of London King’s Cross.
It warned disruption would continue for two days well into Christmas Eve.
The news means up to 2,400 passengers an hour will be left stranded.
View from the Pentagon, NIOC.
http://www.watersidetours.co.uk/images/trips/uk-tours-2022-london-weekend/london-vista.jpg
Question everything.
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1498/16/1498161289904.jpg
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/130966071/#130966071
"Within 90 minutes of the letter’s being posted to 4chan, most users there concluded that it was a forgery."
https://medium.com/dfrlab/online-lies-about-spies-b1f5fb86aed4
FWIW
Noice observ.
So plausible, yes. And perhaps AFTER 22-DEC-2013 these cranes became unlit or moved from site; which would help explain the lack of red lights in the Q pics where Chadwick's pic shows there were cranes above height of the surrounding buidings. The gap in Cahdwick's pic, and others that week, showed the gap. This all hangs together, specualtively, and all we would need is a pic or somesuch to indicate and reifnorce within that time interval.
Could imagine making changes on site, removing cranes or lowering them with lights off or disconnected, prior to the immediate days surrounding Christmas/NYE.
Kewel that this line of thought brings us back toward Christmas Day (and possibly toward but not on NYE). Feels like the time interval been drawn tighter now.
We may not find the pictorial evidence needed, but now we know clearly what we might find if we come across it.
NSA_Traf_CAM_ROT1 - 1423
>>16767292 amd >>16767299
Right on. Fantastic use of that proxy linked to ROT1. Love it.
What do you think of the halfmast flag? >>16749161
We have red crane lights behind The Eye but not at the same time there appeared to be no red lights near 18 Albert Embankment. None.
Three photos, prolly close in time, show no flags over Westminster Palace.
https://www.businessinsider.com/flags-fly-half-mast-london-terror-attack-victims-westminster-houses-parliament-2017-3
Perhaps we can find another proxy that captured other flags half-masted near the site/s within camera frames of the Q pics?
Reference:
https://www.businessinsider.com/flags-fly-half-mast-london-terror-attack-victims-westminster-houses-parliament-2017-3
The red circled areas? IDK.
The white circle is where would expect to see at least one of the cranes in area of interest on Albert Embankment, yes?
Can you "map" it to one of the pics upbread that show cranes in the area? This is progress, certainly. The location may be a bit too far from the target area but this is already close to finding more than we knew we had, I think.
What is perplexing is the presence of red crane lights in other areas than the part of the Albert Embankment near the pink/ purple building. We know there were cranes there, on 22-DEC-2013-T, based on Chadwick at the very least.
And there were other red crane lights just out of frame of the Q pics, as well.
Are we empty-handed for red crane lighrts in night shots of the target area? there might have been just one but I think there prolly were four. Certainly that one behind the old site of Hampton House - the gap in the riverfront buidings.
Maybe time to hunt in Jan 2014 for these red crane lights.
By the way, that half-masted flag might have been in process of being raised or lowered and, then, not actually half-masted. The banner seems full of wind, too. Shows wind direction?
>>16754266 >>16753556 >>16753504
>>16754281 >>16754319 >>16748734
>>16747587 >>16747575 >>16747275
>>16742328 10-AUG-2013
>>16730811 22-DEC-2013
Vid comparison, AUG v DEC 2013.
https://youtu.be/u0X4d9PMuoU
Suggest that the vid be run in repeat mode to take advantage of the fades continuously rotating.
Here is text from description under the vid.
Jul 20, 2022 Two moments in time as view from the Golden Jubilee Bridge over the River Thames, London, UK. A night view of the Albert Embankment captured 10-AUG-2013 compared with a day view captured 22-DEC-2013.
This area of the riverside underwent re-development beginning in 2013. Cranes appeared on the skyline. A few buildings were demolished and this left a gap in the riverside buildings along the Albert Embankment. This gap can just be made out in the 22-DEC-2013 photograph.
Red safety lights on the cranes appeared in the night view of this scene. The booms of the cranes were discernible during daylight.
Note the erection of a new tower, also, with its crane's appearance. More redevelopment activity took place in subsequent years.
TY Anon.
Yes, the Getty 25-DEC-2013 pic has both content and metadata that indicates Christmas Day prior to sunset, as you deduced.
The halfmasted flag is interdasting because, so far, have not found flag treatment of that kind on sites closer to Westminister Palace where it would be expected if a significant British death had been acknowledged. Also interdasting because of the repeated use of full flown flags in several other Q drops. Might be something, might be nothing.
The flashing light solution to the apparent contradiction of 22-DEC-2013 would have to rely on muiltiple red lights on multiple cranes being in sync and off at the same moment. Now, that might account for 1 red light, I think, but what are the odds of all the red lights being off at the moments (multiple pics) that scene had been captured? Plausibe and possible, I supposed, but highly unlikely, I would speculate.
Of course, such a factor could have combined with the treecover to obscure the red lights on cranes that had been energized re safety requirements.
The 10-AUG-2013 pic is not Q match in terms of the brightly lit pink/ purple building. So there clearly were variables in play regarding these bits of pictorial evidence. Note that 18 Albert Embankment was not being redeveloped during the AUG-DEC-2013 interval. Its neighbours were - the Crown Plaza on one side and Hampton House and the other buildings that would be demolished on the other side. So at that time the crane that would have appeared later during the addition of floors ontop of 18 Albert Embankment would not have been in its place yet. But the crane behind Hampton House and the two cranes farther in the distance were in place at that time.
Need some evidence of these cranes being present, and sporting the red lights, subsequent to 22-DEC-2013 so as to confirm that such where present, but unseen, in the Q pics. But, if we find evidence they were not in the skyline, for whatever reason, during an interval after 22-DEC-2013, then, we'd have reconciled the apparent discrepancy.
You are quite right to point out that spot in the Q pic, fren. Tantalizing, isn't it? That could be red light. Please map it to a spot on other pics for comparison. We know the crane booms were NOT stationery, but can we place that spot in the Q pic to a relative spot in open source pics? That is, would that spot be within range of one of the 4 cranes that we've counted in the 22-DEC-2013 pic? There may be proxies that help with that, IDK.
For clarity for new eyes, St Geroge Tower is the tower in the background left of frame. Its full name is St George Wharf Tower. Address: 1 St George Wharf, London SW8 2DU, UK.
The area around it also was redeveloped starting around the time of the Q pics and very intensively during several years afterward.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4881553,-0.1281466,3a,56.9y,175.48h,100.45t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqHza8CpXKRXEotbxR1St2w!2e0!5s20140701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Sorry if my text was confusing. St George Wharf Tower appeared in background left of frame in the pic posted earlier >>16767481
https://www.mrsmithworldphotography.com/colour-photographs-of-london-landmarks/millbank-tower
It appeared right of frame in the pics I just posted >>16772271 .
New Year Day parade, 01-JAN-2014-T
https://youtu.be/8UF4_CNrpTU
Same day, Piccadilly Circus.
https://youtu.be/x9miY2kAE3s
Nother, American cheerleaders participated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5BAdPjDBvU
American marching bands too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7rQ01r16MQ
Nother, showed different camera positions
https://youtu.be/HVbNADlZ7e8
Piccadilly again
https://youtu.be/TV4qFK0xJkg
Very good picture of the weather conditions.
https://youtu.be/GueEXUWCuL4
Roads closed from Piccadilly Circus to Parliament Square. AND WEATHER REPORT at mark 2:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPvhkVlF-ZM
Christmas LONDON weather, 2013
https://youtu.be/wrGZQw5O49c
Forecast Christmas Eve to 27-DEC-2013
https://youtu.be/ViCDomVKanw
Christmas in London 22-DEC-2013-P
https://youtu.be/3urMq6clInc
Christmas Week events/weather, 20-DEC-2013-P
20-DEC-2013
https://youtu.be/arz_OY56b_k
21-22-DEC-2013
https://youtu.be/oHdLGZX4Ey0
Tidal surge DEC 2013
https://youtu.be/NA9F89Q2ons
DEC 2013 Weather reviewed
https://youtu.be/RDR8CbuOU5E
https://youtu.be/gD8nq5IgosU
https://youtu.be/8NUL8hJzESo
Christmas LONDON weather, 2013
https://youtu.be/wrGZQw5O49c
Forecast Christmas Eve to 27-DEC-2013
https://youtu.be/ViCDomVKanw
Christmas in London 22-DEC-2013-P
https://youtu.be/3urMq6clInc
Christmas Week events/weather, 20-DEC-2013-P
20-DEC-2013
https://youtu.be/arz_OY56b_k
21-22-DEC-2013
https://youtu.be/oHdLGZX4Ey0
Tidal surge DEC 2013
https://youtu.be/NA9F89Q2ons
DEC 2013 Weather reviewed
https://youtu.be/RDR8CbuOU5E
https://youtu.be/gD8nq5IgosU
https://youtu.be/8NUL8hJzESo>>16772531
>flag seen half mast position before, but this shot shows all the way up the pole
Gud eye, fren.
Southbank Centre Winter Festival operational days, as far as I have figured:
01-DEC-2013
24-DEC-2013
But I think the open air market operated longer.
16-NOV-2013
10-JAN-2014
>https://ok.ru/video/3634365838
Caps from about the 4 minute mark.
No red lights on cranes in target area.
Noice find, fren. Very noice.
This vid captured the Albert Embankment skyline more than once. As per the cap in prev post >>16772641 the red lights were not recorded; but later they were. Interdasting.
Also, what struck me immediately was the amount and thickness of green treecover in this vid. It did not seem to match the Q pics very well on that point. Could it be that heavy winds between this recording and Q pics blew enough leaves off to make a noticeable difference in the view of the skyline?
The camera in this vid moved farther toward the centre of the footbridge so it did not line up well with the LisaMI6 position. Still it is close enough to make useful comparisons.
Millbank Tower lights do not match, which may add more weight to notion that the pattern in Q pics is a good marker for a distinctive time interval, ie Christmas Eve/ Day to boxing day.
The Speaker's apartments were unlit in this vid which matches LisaMI6. But not so re the RAF Memorial lighting.
The TATT's lighting seemed a good Q match.
The pink/ purple building in this vid was recorded very clearly. It matches the vid we already have that showed camera drive right up to that building on Albert Embankment at night. The shot in this vid, however, is good to compare with LisaMI6 on this score; the bright building is only just out of camera frame of the Q pic. Just at the edge. Also, this vid captured the time on Big Ben's clockface, unlike Lisa.
AND importantly for our dig on the cranes and the red lights; this vid recording no flalshing red lights over the target area; steady red lights. From what I can tell, only 2 red lights = 2 cranes in the night skyline in early DEC-2013.
There was a pulsing red light on building behind The Eye but that pulsing effect may have been due to auto adjustments on the camera. That position does not appear to be on a crane but rather on the building. Will need to compare more carefully with proxies and with Q pics..
And at that point in this vid, the red lights over the target area near the pink/ purple building also seemed to be gone. This could be due the camera adjusting itself. When those lights were visible, no flashing.
Did not spot the prominent Flag on that side of the river. That might indicate this was routinely lowered at night?
The night sky showed overcast so could not make out stars above.
The tide seemed on the high side re TATT gangway and HISP height to shore.
Observs, Anons?
Here's short vid of snippets from the original and much longer version.
Original
https://ok.ru/video/3634365838
Shorter viersion 06-DEC-2013-P.
https://youtu.be/3ESHoO1cpl8
Based on the pictorial evidence, there were cranes on the Albert Embankment skyline between AUG-2013 and 22-DEC-2013. The work for which these cranes were present did continue for years afterward as per the gap in the riverside buildings in that area; as per the erection of new buildings within that gap; as per the various images from open sources, including GE and SV for several years. The narrowed interval of Christmas week has not been contradicted.
The pictorial evidence includes a video recording in early DEC-2013 which was shot at night and captured red lights in the locations of the cranes in the area of interest near 18 Albert Embankment which has been identified as the pink/ purple building in the Q pics of the Victoria Embankment. The still photos better captured these red lights than did the video recordings which at times showed the lights present, when the images were very sharply focussed on the distance, and not present, when the images were more blurred. These recordings, or clips as per the shorter version recently posted, were taken on the same night.
The Q pics did not capture the distant skyline of the Albert Embankment in a focussed way; that part of the Q pics was quite blurred and partially obscured behind treecover. Interdastingly, the comparisons between the early weeks of the Christmas Timeframe and the Q pics suggests that the treecover was lighter, that the branches were burdened with less foilage ion the Q pics than in early DEC-2013 images, for example. This may be explained by the heavy winds and stormy weather recorded prior to Christmas week 2013.
The tidal and lunar evidence also points to the week of Christmas as the likely time interval for these Embankment pics. The 06-DEC-2013-P video shows a high tide in the darkness and can be favourably compared with the tidal indications in the Q pics, also. Was this recording made in late NOV-2013? That may be plausible.
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/valuing_londons_urban_forest_i-tree_report_final.pdf
Examples of tree coverage
https://www.westminsterconservatives.com/news/leaf-clearing
Autumn is here with the start of Westminster City Council's leaf clearing plan.
In Eccleston Square, Pimlico, work has been underway clearing up fallen leaves to ensure that our pavements are safe for pedestrians. It's a problem each year that the Council is well accustomed to dealing with.
Cllr Jacqui Wilkinson explains: "This vital work will continue throughout Westminster for the next four to six weeks during which time about 1,000 tonnes of leaves from our streets will be collected in addition to the usual levels of litter."
Mid-November
4-6 weeks
Mid-January
21-DEC-2009-T
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-night-london-at-victoria-embankment-51794422.html?imageid=C92D486E-5507-4B18-9A0C-2A122D71D9FD&p=167104&pn=1&searchId=83d2dc530d9240622c1cdaac0e6637a0&searchtype=0
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/D07C8P.html?imgt=0
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-victoria-embankment-london-england-united-kingdom-uk-136825961.html
Victoria Embankment, New Years Eve crowds with Big Ben, evening, DEC-2013
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-england-london-victoria-embankment-new-years-eve-crowds-with-big-ben-149618625.html
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/JKBM29.html?imgt=0
Using NYEE-2013 stock photo as a proxy, the leaf coverage on the tree canopy over Victoria Embankment is a fairly good Q-match with LONDON2847 and ROT-1. So another means of confirming the time interval of Christmas week-NYE, post wind storm.
14-DEC-2013
2 Red lights/ 2 cranes behind The Eye.
ROT_1 does show two red lights, however, these might be on the ferris wheel. But those Q red lights are very near where there is a red light in video of 14-DEC-2013-P
See >>16773003
https://youtu.be/3ESHoO1cpl8
In the vid the red light seemed to pulse but this may be apparent rather than real; the camera's positioned changed and the wheel may also have rotated. But can't rule out that this red light flashed momentarily rather than continuously. Also not clear that it was on a crane, but maybe.
Interdasting vid re the re-development of Albert Embankment discussed.
https://youtu.be/Wgr-Pv-0Rt8?t=316
06-DEC-2013-P [1 RED LIGHT]
14-DEC-2013-T [2 RED LIGHTS, CRANES]
25-DEC-2013-T [1 RED LIGHT]
24LONDON ??-DEC-2013-T [2 RED LIGHTS, CRANES]
ROT_1 ??-DEC-2013-T [2 RED LIGHTS]
Starting with the observed evidence rather than with an idea or a theory, is the inductive approach. It's not better, it's not worse, but it is one of at least three ways to approach an investigation of a scene.
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ROT_1 showed two red lights but it did not show cranes.
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The red lights in ROT_1 appear very near where there is a single red light in video of 14-DEC-2013-P.
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06-DEC-2013-P vid showed a single red light. It did not show a crane.
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Pictorial evidence shows two red lights which possibly were on cranes. Or on the ferris wheel. Or on buildings.
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Pictorial evidence shows a single red light which possibly was on a crane. Or on a building.
Process of elimination might be applied with caution.
> You are forgetting your own sauce on 14DEC
Not forgotten. 14-DEC-2013 was specifically mentioned.
>That’s ridiculous for you to now say they could be on the London Eye.
The red lights in ROT_1 are evident but not so are cranes. Starting with the observed evidence in the camera frame, these lights, which have yet to be identified with certainty, could have been on cranes, buildings, or the ferris wheel.
Whether or not there is sufficient evidence outside of ROT_1 to rule out either of these possibilities, or to calculate odds so as to eliminate based on very low probability, is the point of the dig and of the analysis of what is dug up.
>Never but never has any pic of LE shown any red lights on the pods. Ffs. Jesus.
Not that you have seen, perhaps.
Your passion is commendable. Digging in by way of deduction or abduction is as valid as by induction. Mixing it up is usually how a scene can be squeezed to reveal more than we know.
The flag pole near The Eye.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.504545,-0.11898,3a,75y,72.76h,113.63t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sp9UKVnbVN5j3etpTV5eRPg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3Dp9UKVnbVN5j3etpTV5eRPg%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D97.90637%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Pic 1, no date assigned, but looks like 2013/2014.
Pic 2-4, no date, Flag pole near The Eye, Queen's Walk.
06-DEC-2013-P Night vid The Eye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFRPNlRzCuw
Moon over Thames
https://youtu.be/kl2h-UVx5TI
Moon seen through The Eye. Note position of moon/Eye within frame vs location of St Thomas Hospital on right side of frame. Note how the moon's position within frame is independent of buildings. Compare with view of moon over St Thomas Hospital after camera location changed as it travelled Victoria Embankment.
In this video, of AUG-2015, the night sky was captured with a camera that shifted its location along the River Thames. While the moon was quite full and shone very brightly, the camera did not capture many other lights above buildings or in vicinity of those rooftops where cranes might have been expected during that time in the redevelopment projects behind the riverside buildings. Now, there were not nearly as many projects in the area within camera frame as there were farther along toward Albert Embankment, but the general idea is well illustrated. If there were more dim lights in the sky, by comparison with the moon, these and the crnes that carried them prolly, not cerltainly, would have become obscured by the movement of the camera, the lense settings and auto adjustments, and by the overall brightness of the moon in the camera lense.
Compare that with the earlier vid/s of crane lights over the Albert Embankment, one of which showed the red lights/ cranes present in one clip but not in another even though all shot at by same camera on same night. This discrepancy was so noticiable that it raised in our discussion the possibility of flashing lights.At the moment the prospect of flashing lights synched across 3-4 locations within frame has diminished the likelihood of the camera having captured flashing or pulsating lights.
This vid can serve as a reference for various features, including those in the night sky, but is not direct evidence for the contents of ROT_1 and other EMB pics, in general.
Moon over Thames, 16-DEC-2014, London UK. (timelapsed)
https://youtu.be/t1ufG8oAPzI
Year after currently estimated time interval for EMB pics, however, big moon as seen from Victoria Embankment looking toward The Eye. Different time of night, too, perhaps, if the bright object in ROT_1 was the moon.
And there appear to be 2 red lights on cranes in the right side of frame, in approx location of the cranes discussed above by anons regarding projects behind the riverside facades. In this vid the camera was on a tripod for the timelapse; and the images were recorded as still photos and then compiled into a stream of images for the video. The dimmer lights vis-a-vis the other bright objects, including the moon, still came out more clearly prolly as a consequence of photos v vdeo and camera adjustments set rather than on auto, and so forth.
Flag and pole relative to The Eye and other markers near The Queen's Walk side of River thames.
This GE image from summer 2013 also shows the various buildings and features behind The Eye within the camera frame of ROT_1, for reference.
Having watched the 06-DEC-2013-P vid repetaedly, the plausiblity of two lights aligned within the camer frame is sound and, with the camera movement, this may account for the plusating discussed earlier. However, see attached vidcap; note that the pulsating effect may have been the result of auto features of the camera - such as focus and exposure and framerate. That 'large' light, which looked mishapened or distorted, narrowed to a single red light at the instance recorded in this vidcap.
The vid appears to have captured one red llight but no cranes. This light may have been on the building. It may have been on a crane, perhaps partialy assembled, IDK. Leaning toward a single red light; leaning toward on a crane. However, we need more to make these notions very firm. This is important because if 06 becomes a bookend, its significance grows.
The date for that vid is a POSTED date and so 06-DEC-2013 can fairly be pinned as a not-after-date for THAT video and what it may have captured. How it works with the Q time interval for ROT_1 remains speculative at this moment.
All of this is to say that the case can be made for a single light on or BEFORE 06-DEC-2013. The differences in angles of the various related pics we have at the moment may account for the apperance of one light captured in front of another such that together the pair would appeat to be a single light.
The key comparison may be between ROT_1 and 24LONDON. The camera positions and the framings are close enough to show both the front of The Eye and the area behind that included two red lights in approximately the same location.
moar…
continued…
24LONDON is a high quality photo. It showed cranes as well as the red lights. ROT_1 is lower quality, in terms of background technicalities, not content, and its camera frame may have been just enough different from 24LONDON that there were no cranes visible. That is, in ROT_1 the cranes, if present, were below and thus obscured by the rooftops.
Earlier, anons compared background buildings re the blue lighting behind The Eye. Making that a touchstone for comparison, the red lights in ROT_1 are close matches for 24LONDON.
We have yet to firmly date 24LONDON which serves as a proxy for LisaMI6; yet it is also a very good Q match for ROT_1 at least in terms of the Southbank.
25LONDON did not capture Victoria Embankment's junction with Northumberland and so its usefulness has been neglected to a large extent in our digs. So far.
Also, 24LONDON clearly showed the red lights on cranes in vicinity of 18 Albert Embankment (pink/purple building), the shrouded tower behind Big Ben, the Speaker's apartments, and, as extensively discussed, the lighting pattern in Millbank Tower, among other significant markers. Its value is high.
So. Dating 24LONDON is of renewed importance, again.
Compared with ROT_1, both KEMP 14-DEC-2013-T and SETTERFIELD 25-DEC-2013-T provide significantly different views of the Southbank. The camera position is closer to the side of The Eye, or slightly behind it, and so the context for the red light/s behind is somewhat lost. Yet these are dated fairly firmly, if we take the stock photo Date Taken on face value. These serve as very good proxies.
But, if we find more evidence to eliminate other types of lighting, these pics may become direct evidence for ROT_1 and the red lights under discussion. We are close to that, I think, when it comes to lighting on the ferris wheel and lighting fixed on buildings, i.e. NOT CRANE MOUNTED. Need more to eliminate non-crane possiblities.
14-DEC-2013-T captured both the red lights and the cranes. 25-DEC-2013-T captured one red light and no cranes. We could assume that this one red light was a) on a crane AND b) present while the other red light was also present just out-of-frame. It is a big assumption with high significance; so best to firm it up very well before building on it.
The interval between these two pics is about 10 days and that overlaps with Christmas Week. This timing may change the probabilities depending on us finding evidence of the lights and cranes in similair positions AFTER 25-DEC-2013 and BEFORE changes to the shrouded tower behind Big Ben.
Not having much luck, so far, in finding late-DEC-2013 and JAN-2014 IMAGES of the area behind The Eye. Night views would be best to capture the lights; day or twilight for capturing the cranes. But we gets what we gets.
At this point, can't rule out that there was only one red light at that particular location on 25-DEC-2013. There may have been two. There may have red lights on cranes PLUS another on a building. It is possible that two lights lined-up closely in the 06-DEC-2013 vid and appeared to be a single light. The cranes were working and their booms were not static and so the parked positions of booms might have varied from night to night. Just a possibility. Of course, in some deployments in London and other big cities, the booms park in a standard way and become predictable markers in the skyline.
Reference vidcaps, JUL-2014-P.
Series of vidcaps confirm this recording made AFTER the time interval for the EMB pics and BEFORE winter of 2015/2016. Shrounded tower behind Big Ben no longer shrouded with hoarding. TATT's funnel was white on top.
Views of Southbank from two different angles.
While these vidcaps depict the scene about half-year after the time interval for the EMB pics, some of the development projects might have have overlapped that interval.
>>16786927 >>16786891 >>16786877 >>16786435 >>16786350 >>16785910 >>16784803 >>16784726
GE 18-JUL-2013-T
Same development project captured differ times in GE imagery.
Before current time interval for ROT_1.
AUG 2013
After interval for TOT_1
FEB 2014
FEB 2014 - exposure adjusted
JUN 2014
JUN 2014 - exposure adjusted
Cranes on site that would become URBANEST, as per discussion/digz above.
SV-JUN-2012
SV-JUL-2014
SV-MAY-2015
More SV images from target area.
Two CLOSELY positioned cranes still there by
SV-MAY-2014
SV-AUG-2014
Gone by
SV-MAY-2015
So cranes appeared in this target area sometime between SC- MAY-2012 and SV-MAY-2014; and packed up between SV-AUG-2014 and SV-MAY-2015.
Former site of York House.
SV-MAY-2012
Developed, use of two cranes inside parameter of new building.
SV-MAY-2014
Not a very high office tower.
Possibly one crane sometimes lower than the other.
Or one used to setup the other.
SV-JUL-2014
Now location of office tower, Urbanest.
SV-MAY-2015
>Seems Urbanest got approval 30 January 2013
30-JAN-2013 Approval
GE-AUG-2013 Cranes already on site, demolition nearly done.
GE-FEB-2014 Cranes still at work.
SV-MAY-2014 Cranes double-teaming.
Means plausible that the two closely positioned red lights, and in some images also cranes, in the ROT_1 and related images were present when these cranes were active.
Highly plausible and highly probable Q match?
If yes, significance?
Right on, ty anon.
In searching for these lights/cranes, has an alternative been found for the bright object that has been assumed to have been the moon behind The Eye?
Closeup of the top of boom extension where red light would have been affixed?
Cabin type and position seemed to have varied, based on what is visible in various SV images. Doesn't look like the cab was used at height above surrounding rooftops.
TY Anon. All done in the middle of neighbouring buldings and work below. Amazing, really.
>30-JAN-2013 Approval
>GE-AUG-2013 Cranes already on site, demolition nearly done.
>GE-FEB-2014 Cranes still at work.
>SV-MAY-2014 Cranes double-teaming.
ROT_1 time interval falls between pictorial evidence for GE-AUG-2013 (when demo nearly finished) and GE-FEB-2014 (when consruction well underway on lower floors). The timing of the construction work could provide more evidence to narrow the Q interval. That work would have raised the apex of the cranes above the height of the buildings between the site and The Eye.
Here's a neat-but-not-quite view of the target area from a ROT-like vantage, SV-JUL-2014.
Here's a GE-AUG-2013 image marked-up with approximate line of sight from whereabouts of the ROT_1 camera.
Review the previously posted images of the target area and make your observs, frens, re timing of construction and height of cranes.
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End of day prep for start of next shift.
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Secure valuable mobile equipment.
Okay, so the appearance of the red lights, atop of cranes, would mean, at the very least, the workday shift had finished? Besides, there'd be some stanards about ending crane work prior to dark?
If, yes, then, we might be able to establish a continunity of position of the red lights from one dated pic to another. Would little to no change in position of the red lights/cranes indicate a gap between active worksite - such as during a holiday period? or would booms be parked in standard 'home' position end of day?
Guessing that the last question will begin with, it depends, as per your previous remarks about end of day prep for start of next day. Or is there much higher likelihood of varied positioning at end of workdays?
If we searched for more views of the positioning of the lights/cranes, is the chance good that we'd find discernible variations as normal and no-changes unusual except during long weekends or other breaks in the work schedule?
Kek, I had missed the purple building in the view through the window, distracted as I was by the pleasant countenance of fair maidens afore.
Crane appeared to be assembling or disassembling the other in the SV images on Upper Marsh just before the railroad underpass.
SV-JUL-2014
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.499439,-0.1158715,3a,70.2y,356.16h,102.58t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sMKteFIZapR8aOX3tj7MvVg!2e0!5s20140701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Also see SV-MAY-2014 which showed the two cranes at smilair heights. Niether appeared to have an apex above the rooftops nearby. This may account for the presence of red lights and no cranes in some of the available images.
Given the construction work captured in 2014, which had reached the lower few floors, might it be plausible that the late 2013 view of the same worksite would have been occupied by cranes that were hiigher during demolition and lower during the foundation pouring stage of construction? Might the cranes have been taller at the start of demo and were reduced at various stages as the work reached toward ground level? Might at each 'lowering' stage, the view from afar would have shown one crane taller than the other and, thus, appear to be alone - displaying a single red light?
Speculation, all. We do have images with one light and images with two lights and images with and without crane booms displayed.
If the speculation is reasonable, and if the dig continues, we might then look for images of these different stages of demolition/ construction so as to narrow the interval to match the two lights, no crane booms, captured in ROT_1; and the single light captured in the vid 06-DEC-2013-P.
On that vid, what do anons think? Did the vid capture two lights which appeared as a single distorted light source - with one light some distance behind the other and the autofocus on the camera resetting? It was only for a brief instance that the light source appeared as a singel red light. A fraction of a second.
See >>16792557
See mark 1:38 approximately, >>16781408
Even the side views document a now-you-see-it, now-you-don't.
SV-MAY-2014 views from Westminster Bridge.
Apex of each crane in these images stood higher than the neighbouring Park Plaza Hotel, which stood between the cranes and The Eye.
If we can find images from 2013, particularly DEC-2013 (and perhaps JAN-2014), we might find proxies to support match with ROT_1.
SV-MAY-2014
York House worksite cranes visible from Parliament Square/ Westminster Bridge Road. Boom apex taller than neighbouring rooftops, as seen from afar.
https://ok.ru/video/3634365838
vs
https://youtu.be/zNaA22SvLjc
Gud catch, fren. My mistake. Will Correct video and vidcaps, for completion and accuracy. TY.
23-NOV-2013-P showed single red light, during a fraction of a second. For the greater part a larger bright object was captured in approximately the same position behind the Eye (LE).
KEMP 14-DEC-2014-T showed 2 red lights on 2 cranes behind LE.
24LONDON showed 2 red lights on 2 cranes
>ROT1 has 2 red lights in the same location as the lights seen in 24LONDON and ALSO has a blurred but compelling MILLBANK lights match with LISA, LONDON 2847 24LONDON and all 4 of the 25DEC2013-T Getty series.
Fair enough. The matches are much less compelling on some of these views. Different hours of the night perhaps, but that would suggest more activity than has been assumed during Christmas Day.
>This leads me to surmise we had
>1 crane behind LONDON EYE on or before 23NOV2013. We got 2 red crane lights by 14DEC2013 which lights were still seen by CHRISTMAS DAY in the EMB pics.
The red lights showed only in ROT_1; no cranes were captured but your surmise is very reasonable, natch.
And as for the bight white object in the sky behind LE near its hub? Can an alternative to the moon be ruled-out based on the pictorial evidence alone or must that rely on reasonable conjecture alone?
Asking not because in disagreement; need to make each underlying stepping stone as rock solid as possible.
Red lights in approximate position within camera frames is more solid when cranes are also visible, for example. But many multiples of red lights/ no cranes that occupy the same approximte position within camera frame is more solid than a one-off from a different angle or vantage.
So the support the conjecture, we need more evidence, IMO, even though it would be great to reach conclusions sooner rather than later.
Your reasoning is very good and it stitches together the proxies and the directs. And that fits very well the Q instruction to note upgrades and changes to the surroundings. We have a series of London Pics during the same winter of 2013/2014 and all posted in the context of Spygate and the broader discussion of the origins of whatever it is that Q would have us dig organically.
The process of elimination is like weeding the garden. But the gardner needs to distinguish between what is best tended and what is best discarded. If I rightly remember, Q dropped a London-related text regarding the reality of disinformation and having more than we know.
For Baker, the working summary Anon provided is notable as it marks progress in connecting a wider range of pictorial evidence.
Interdasting, vantage on ground level. Might that be a rooftop light? It appears to be in gud location for a match with the other side-views of the red lights/ cranes.
Mark 4:39 in the 23-NOC-2013-P vid?
If there was a second light behind the first, the camera frame at that moment in the vid might not have shown enough to the left of frame to capture the approximate location of a second crane light. Thinking the 2nd crane, if present, would have appeared farther from the 1st crane, especially from ground level. Maybe not, IDK.
Compare:
Kemp
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/f9cf123fb7ed6563414d0a96001c383a00fbb2cb63bfb58c9f826be079ff11c8.png
Setterfield
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/2601a921dcfb14cc1f3db0c0bf5a518927bd458b19612497b68d8d3d0738bd33.png
23-NOV-2013-P
https://youtu.be/zNaA22SvLjc?t=948
Reverse views a) from railtracks looking back toward LE and b) from within the new building looking toward LE.
a
https://www.ahmm.co.uk/assets/galleries/311/2775_007.jpg
b
https://www.ahmm.co.uk/assets/components/phpthumbof/cache/3338_11039_N741.2c3425ad06bcdd5cc23c4ec77eca20e1.jpg
Moar at Architect's website. AHMM.
https://www.ahmm.co.uk/projects/education/westminster-bridge-road/
Behind the stall is the footbridge suspension cables, I think. The stalls line the riverbank wall?
That makes sense. If there was a cabin lilght in that position it would have to be a third crane position. There was work done on St Thomas Hospital but that may be too far afield to find its way into ROT_1 camera frame.
There might be other alternatives? IDK. Sometimes, just because we hadn't come across a briefly lived one-off, doesn't mean it hadn't existed nonetheless. Think of that riverbank adboard, for example/ Or that first aid sign near CH. Or, for that matter, the rabbit tag in Black Box. Or an RML parked outside the Grosvenor Casino. Some markers are key because they are rarely seen in open source despite being present in Q pics. And, of those few such markers, some are more in our face than others.
So maybe that white light was the moon in just the right position in the sky and it marks a narrow time interval. Or it was some other object that likewise was a short-lived on-off that just happened to be present for the Q pic.
This is the basis for the intrigue around the Millbank lighting pattern, which turned out to be very significant connective tissue across the EMB pics and which added weight to the notion that LisaMI6 was a sort of outlier among the EMB pics.
>operator’s cabin could be seen on a day +/- 1 from Christmas but be missed in all the other very near in time sauces, both day and night
Very unlikely the bright white object was a crane cabin light.
So alternatives? What would we look for? A rooftop light source? Something very bright indeed. As bright as a big moon as captured in other images of LE with moon.
Again, I think very unlikely.
But will remain open to more evidence for an alternative. The rationale makes sense but needs support beyond conjecture, IMO.
GE-JUL-2013-P
Crane at St Thomas Hospital.
Could this be the red light that appears in the open source images that show sideviews of LE?
GE-AUG-2013-T
The crane location might line-up with one of the red lights that showed in SETTERFIELD 25-DEC-2013-T, however, would that also be so for KEMP 14-DEC-2013-T?
Maybe not because in KEMP there are potential obstacles that might obscure the red light, if present, on top of a crane at St Thomas Hospital. And the elevation of the camera vantage is different. IDK.
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/2601a921dcfb14cc1f3db0c0bf5a518927bd458b19612497b68d8d3d0738bd33.png
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/f9cf123fb7ed6563414d0a96001c383a00fbb2cb63bfb58c9f826be079ff11c8.png
https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/9cddd590b144d889e0cd3b6205a70076b5ba3838f3e783fbd4d433c6202350c8.png
>>16794833 >>16794993 >>16794833
There was a crane by St Thomas Hospital and it may have had a red light visible from around the Golden Jubilee Bridge through a side-view of the LE. That crane position appriximately lines-up with a tower or steeple on top of County Hall, Belvedere Rd, London SE1 7GP, UK. (Seaworld is located there.)
SV-AUG-2013
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5022674,-0.120703,3a,90y,70.11h,114.91t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slPnQDda1c7BibwWaIS922w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DlPnQDda1c7BibwWaIS922w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D57.747646%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
This SV-AUG-2013 view suggests that by the time of this image the crane's apex was lower than the building between it and the LE. So it would not, at that time, have been visible from the vantage for Q's camera. But possibly visible from a sideview of the LE at a different time at which the boom may have been raised high enough to peak above the rooftop of County Hall building.
However, if that was so, then it would likely have been so in ROT_1 had that Q pic been taken at around the same time as Setterield 25-DEC-2013-T.
So, if the red light captured by Setterfield's sideview of the LE was on the crane behind St Thomas, then, ROT_1 would not have been taken on the same day, 25-DEC-2013-T.
We have assumed, I think, that the red light on 25-DEC-2013-T was on a crane over at the York House worksite. But in Setterfield the red light appears too close to the position of the tower or steeple atop of County Hall for it to have been at York House. While it may not have been on the crane behind St Thomas, it might have been on a crane farther away by Albert Embankment - there were at least two very tall crane booms in that direction.
Oops, here is the SV-AUG-2013 image referred to in prev post.
Of course, keep in mind that these images of from the summer of 2013, not the winter much less DECEMBER 2013. The crane heights and boom positons may have differed significantly during Christmas week 2013.
The tall crane also appeared in Chadwick's daylight photo 22-DEC-2013-T.
It may also have appeared, very dimly, in NSA_Traf_CAM_LONDON2847.
To clarify, am speaking of the red light that appeared in Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T; that does not appear to be the same as one of the two red lilghts on cranes over at the York House worksite. Different vantage and angle from ROT_1 anyway. However, if this particular red light was on a crane at the St Thomas worksite, it seems it would have been visible on the rightside of the camera frame of ROT_1, but does not appear in that Q pic. Yet farther away at the 18 Albert Embankment area there was a very tall crane boom - not at the pink/purple site but nearby - and that could have been the source for the red light that was captured in Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T. It would have been tall enough to peak over the buildings between it and Setterfield's camera vantage but far enough away to not appear in ROT_1; even if in LONDON2847 it may have been captured very dimly. Likewise in ROT_1 but far from the LE (see attached pic).
So the two things can be true at the same time, pending more evidence, that there were two crane lights in ROT_1 but neither of them were the sole red light in Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T.
test
TY Anon.
You have plotted lines of sight for
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The red lights/ cranes behind LE that are now well-linked to the York House worksite (no Urbanest) via open sauce pics, including SV and GE images.
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The big and bright white object behind LE that has been part of lunar and tidal info digs.
We may have need for one or two more such calculations of lines of sight from you, fren.
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The dim light that was captured in ROT_1 farther to the right of camera frame. This may have at least two candidate worksites.
3a. The worksite behind the various buildings of St Thomas Hospital at which a large crane worked.
3b. The worksite farther along the riverside, closer to the Compton House worksite (now the Corniche) neighbouring the Riverbank Plaza Hotel (the pink/ purple bulding in Q pics) on the Albert Emankment.
3a and 3b can be better located through proxies, such as the SV and GE images posted previously upbread or previous breads; or such as Chadwick 22-DEC-2013-T daylight pic of the Alberta Embankment from Westminster Bridge. These two positions are closely lined-up in terms of the view in ROT_1 and EMB pics and because of the greater distances may seem to overlap within the Q camera frames.
For clarity; I think the two red lights now tied to two cranes at the York House worksite are at the same or nearly the same location as the single red light captured in the 23-NOV–2013-P vid and in the 14-DEC-2013-T pic.
BUT I think that single red light is NOT the same as the single red light captured in 25-DEC-2013-T; the positions are different. It is that additional red light that I think is associated with 3a or 3b.
The red light/s now tied to the York House worksite appeared as a pair in ROT_1, even if there may have been times at which only one of the of THOSE two red lights were captured in open sauces. That may be a marker, as Anons have discussed. It could be a very significant marker, indeed, one vs two red lights at York House worksite.
The other single red light 3a/3b is different, I think, based on position in open sauces. (The flag/pole helps figure that out.) AND I think it is different based on the possibilities within ROT_1 and other EMB pics.
IF that additional single red light, captured in a stock photo, 25-DEC-2013-T, was captured in ROT_1, for example, as a dim source of light on the skyline father away along the riverside, then, its height becomes a significant sub-marker.
If that additional red light was on a crane, ts height prolly varied during stages of demoliton/construction. Its height would have to have been just-so to appear as it did in 25-DEC-2013-T, barely peaking over the rooftops of County Hall.
Now, another factor is the elevation of the riverside; it may be higher or lower at the LE than at the worksites at St Thomas or Albert Embankment, IDK.
>>16800117 >>16811129 >>16810359
Have identified two additional cranes in ROT_1. Anons have already identified the two red lights/ cranes at the York House worksite. These appear on the far left side of the Q camera frame.
Farther to the right are the other two cranes. One is above the rooftop of St Thomas and the other is toward Albert Embankment at a worksite for a very tall building, Parliament House Apartments.
When I have some time I'll post the pictorial evidence. For now the consequence of these two finds is as follows.
Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T shows a red light just above the rooftop of County Hall; it is also higher than the rooftop of St Thomas Hospital. This red light is not one of the lights/cranes at York House worksite which is too far to the left in Setterfield.
This raised a problem. Between the LE and Albert Embankment there was a crane with a fixed boom and its cab light was usually on in dark hours; it was white, not red. How could that light not be visible within the camera frame of Setterfield WHILE at the same time a red light/crane would be visible although its location was farther away and behind St Thomas worksite?
The evidence shows that the St Thomas crane/light was not tall enough to appear over the rooftops in Setterfield; but there was a taller crane farther away in the same general direction.
Views from the LE, from other elevated vantages, and on the River Thames provide the evidence of this.
And other open source images, including dated stock photos, provide excellent reference points to map to ROT_1 for identification of these lights/cranes. both in daylight and night views.
This means that the details in Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T have been reconciled with the other December 2013 images that show the lights/cranes over the York House worksite (now URBANEST); and all four of these lights/cranes appear in ROT_1.
While this does not narrow the time interval for ROT_1, it removes a problem which could have eliminated Christmas Day or, at the very least, threw it up in the air as a possible mismatch.
Here is a GE image marked up to show locations of the various lights/cranes relative to the LE and County Hall. Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T was taken from the Waterloo Bridge, or a building behind the bridge. This is supported by GE and SV images. The mark-up here shows the line of sight from camera through the LE to St George; Millbank also appears in Setterfield and its position is in accord with this illustration.
The camera's line of sight to St George is depicted in light blue. The line of sight to the distant red light/crane that appear just above County Hall and St Thomas is depicted in light red.
Moar later.
Here's a curious incident. Helicopter crashed into craine. Near Vauxhill.
Might the bright white light in ROT_1 be a helicopter search light that just happened to be directed toward the Q camera position?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBKnz8pX5a8
Vid on crane raising.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx5Qt7_ECEE
Dude who climbs cranes for fun. In the dark. In this instance, to view the River Thames sights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG69xvbK3KU
At mrk 1:04 he stood at the red light on the crane boom. But that was in 2015 so … just for the keks.
Wild that the copter flew so close to the buildings in that vicinity, regardless of weather conditions. Yikes.
Salamanca worksite (now Parliament House Apartments), GE images.
GE-AUG-2013
SV-JUN-2014
GooMAPS
Parliament House Apartments = PHA
Very tall crane, verticially mobile jib, tight worksite below. This is the best candidate for the red light in Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T.
Reference pics from Waterloo Bridge 2015 re South Bank and LE and County Hall rooftop.
Note the crane with the fixed jib at St Thomas worksite was recorded at same time as the crane/s over York House worksite. That worksite's crane/s changed over the itnerim but did not reach the space above the County Hall that was occupied by a red light in Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T.
Use as reference for the detail shown on County Hall upper windows and rooftop.
Original source.
24-APR-2015-P
https://youtu.be/dPgsePU5Vn4
Another reference source, vid, 14-OCT-2014-P.
14 OCT-2014-P https://youtu.be/BK-VeVlrzhk
Vidcaps show the view of the rooftops along the riverside between County Hall and Albert Embankment.
Look for the copper tower over County Hall (location of Seaworld), St Thomas crane, PHA worksite crane, 18 Albert Embankment, St George and Millbank towers. The daylight images show the approximate trajectory that had been captured in Setterfield - through the hub of the LE and to St George Tower in the far distance.
The green copper tower is a gud reference point when making comparisons with other DEC-2013 images previously posted in the crane dig. The tower is closer to riverside and the shoreline position of the LE than it is to the railroad track side and York House worksite.
Also, here is a panorma made from this vid's view of the area behind County Hall and Albert Embankment. In addition to reference points already noted, there appears to be no potential source for a big bright white light as per ROT_1. This may add weight to the lunar data/analysis.
Note that this vid was recorded during daylight. Prolly working hours at the York House worksite. The crane activity there is not very apparent over the rooftops, but this may be during the interim after demoliton had been completed and the next stage of development was being prepped. IDK.
Panorma made from 14 OCT-2014-P
https://youtu.be/BK-VeVlrzhk
B.I.N.G.O.
Noice to have your independent confirmation. Moar pictorial evidence coming down the pipe to support your observs.
>>16827335 >>16838274 >>16838600
GooMaps on the ground reference links. Use this to orientate re the vid of the Christmas market on South Bank. Look for the flag, the riverside of County Hall's rooftop, and the view through the LE toward St George Tower.
SV-MAY-2016
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5054112,-0.1185225,3a,15.4y,186.31h,98.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAifXhOqtQvnD2h0klaShqA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DAifXhOqtQvnD2h0klaShqA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D296.84906%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Another example
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5052361,-0.1186044,3a,75y,174.76h,93.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUSSIIo60nHvgALLwDzOnUg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Another, JUN-2014
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5053358,-0.1184192,2a,51.2y,178.74h,102.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS71f96LJ6wrmbaypaa84ng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Reference points in SV images for comparison with Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T. View from Waterloo Bridge.
SV-MAY-2014
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5088196,-0.1171405,3a,16.9y,189.18h,94.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPO72lUEKdwJ_5z50zQoSEA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Try different months, years, and viewing locations on the bridge. St George Tower can be captured 'inside' the rim of the LE. This approximates Setterfield.
From this can look for potential sources of the red light/ crane that appeared in Setterfield 25-DEC-2013-T - over the County Hall rooftop and therefore over the St Thomas rooftop also.
Here is a markup to use as refernce for the markers.
Note that there are two structures on the County Hall roof below which are windows. Look for the red arrow that points to the 2nd such structure from the riverside and then count about 4 windows farther to the left of camera frame. Above that spot is approximately where the additional red light appeared in Setterfield. This position is beyond the limits of the two cranes over the York House worksite. Even if one of the booms could reach that far, at night it would not be parked over the roadways, I think.
On the other hand, farther along the riverside there are a few candidates for a red crane light. The best is the very tall crane at PHA (near 18 Albert Embankment).
See Setterfield up bread. >>16827335
Compare with the undated image we got from the 24LONDON photo competition. Then map to ROT_1.
When I've moar time will illustrate with a vid. The significance is to account for the additional red light that was not on a crane at the York House worksite. Those two cranes were accounted for previously in the dig. This one appeared on 25-DEC-2013-T and if it could not have been reconciled with ROT_1 that would have thrown a monkey wrench into the analysis based on the red lights captured in ROT_1. This resolves that.
Here is a 2015 SV image to use as reference and to proof the basic concept of a tall crane behind St Thomas..
>>16838819 >>16838887
Here is a nigh vid from the vantge of a capsule on the LE.
https://youtu.be/pLPEB83tQOQ
While it was recorded the Christmas week during the year AFTER the Q pics were taken, this vid shows the riverside and the area between the EYE and the Albert Embankment and the railroad tracks.
By this time there were many more development projects underway. Red lights on cranes all over the place. Some of which illustrate how tall cranes could provide lights that might be seen from LE hovering over County Hall and St Thomas.
>>16839059 >>16838819
There are other useful details in that vid of DEC-2014 from the LE at night. Of course, the pink building was clearly on display. Also, the Speaker's apartments at Westminster Palace was darkened. No flood lights on that corner of the House of Commons. But there were lights in the windows. Gud for comparison with LisaMI6 and related open sauces. This vid also captured the TATT in its position at night, during the Christmas season, while the funnel was still white on top. This was also before the HISP altered its colour scheme to pink, pink, pink.
Observs, anons?
Will return later with more on ROT_1 crane lights. Anons are prolly ahead of the game on this so will draw attention to the Albert Embankment in the following images.
Wrigley 25-OCT-2014-T
Chadwick 18-SEP-2013-T
ALAMY 10-AUG-2013-T
Chadwick 22-DEC-2013-T
Marked up for comparison with other open sauces and with ROT-1 (and other EMB pics).
Anons if you detect flaws in this stream of info and/or mark-ups, please let me know.
For clarity: the arrow pointing to the Crane of St Thomas worksite is aimed at the counter-boom where the counter-weights would be loaded. The much longer boom is off-camera; the op's cabin is at the frame's edge, also off-camera. This image displays two different kinds of tower cranes.
Kek. Funny how lubber crane jabber mixes and matches with the gab and rutters of watery hearties when at Briney's Edge.
Drat, here's the marked-up version of that pic.
For clarity: Anon has identified the tall crane at the Samanaca worksite (Parliament House Apartments) near 18 Albert Embankment.
The other crane in ROT_1 is the one behind St Thomas and which is of a different kind. Its cab is white and appeared just at the rooftop. sometimes it was obscured but in ROT_1 it can be made-out from the opposite of the river where the Q camera was.
Note the differences in height between these two cranes and note where the cabs are vis-a-vis the main tower.
An alternative to the tall crane at PHA would be the crane behind St Thomas - if its tower was raised and the crane used a red light on its boom and parked at night just so. The Green copper tower on Count Hall might have blocked the cab light, in such an instance.
Either way, the additional red light is accounted for now.
The bright light, if it was a helicopter's search light, might have been on security duty?